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acorn tree: Why is GOD thirsty and hungry of human worship. If human did not worship him will he cease to exist,will he become powerless,will he be less omnipotent. Before creation of Adam has he not being existing.

kambo: jesus was a human being , in a human body, so u do the math.
Put ur thinkg cap on.

God laughs , God sings. God gets dissapointed. God gets enraged.
Where dyu thnk ur emotions came from? Man is from God. Does god cry? Dont know. But Jesus weeps, the Holy spirit weeps. Dnt thnk Baba sheds a tear but i am sure he shakes his head at the daftness of man.

The head pastor of the a Church,Pastor Godwin Immanuel told the congregation that God revealed on December 25,1994 when they were celebrating Christmas that his son was born on the 9th day of the 9th month of the year.Besides the divined revelation which has fixed the authentic date of Jesus christ records revealed that december 25 isn't the date of Jesus' birth.There are no less than 136 different opinions as to the year And month Jesus was born!....God revealed that He cursed December 25 because that was the day when Lucifer and the rebellious angels were cast down to the earth

Al-Baqir:
Just For Clarification!

Brother,note:the battle of Uhud you talked about took place in the 2nd year of Hijrah. There were plenty of room for deserters to amend.

Al-Baqir:
1. Alas! At the battle of Hunayn (8A.H),muslim contingent was even more and powerful yet many of these deserters turned back retreating (Qur'an 9:25).

Abu Qutadah,who was among the deserters of Hunayan reported:The muslims flew! I too flew with them. Suddenly I noticed 'Umar Ibn al-khattab among the deserters I asked him 'what has happened to the people?' He replied, 'It is Allah's wish"
~Sahih al-Bukhari vol.3 p.45

Al-Baqir:
2.Conquest of Khaybar (7A.H).
If I dare elaborate on this according to your prestigious books,then I will have to risk been ban for days.So kindly read.

Al-Baqir:
Lastly,how on earth can you interpret verse of "turning upon their heel",an event of uhud (2nd year of Hijrah) with the event of Zakat that happens after the demise of the prophet (saws) i.e 9years after,during the khilafa of Abu Bakar?

Al-Baqir:
Kindly settle your heart and mind.Start a thorough research about Islam.Everybody seem to be contended with his creed and try his utmost to defend it.Its natural but its not being sincere.

You were born into sunnism (never denial being a sunni because practically and ideologically you are) by virtue of your parent and society likewise those born in Shi'a or christian majority area.The onus now lies with us to investigate and research thoroughly and sincerely after being aware of other creed and faith.No excuse with Allah!

Al-Baqir:
Concerning Walid Ibn Jumai!
Imagine a single source of Ibn Hazim claimed walid ibn Jumai was unreliable whereas prominent scholars before and after Ibn Hazim confirmed him a reliable source.The same ahlu sunnah.

How many hadith had Nasirudeen Albanni claimed to be fabricated or weak just because such hadith are contrary to his creed?

Allah is ever ready to guide every heart aright provided we are sincere.

LagosShia: check their names by yourself:
http://www.revisitingthesalaf.org/2012/02/companions-attempt-to-kill-prophet.html?m=1

LagosShia: can you cite examples to back up the above? thanks.

lanrexlan: Nobody says these companions of the prophet(pbuh) were perfect.These people are humans just like everyone and there aren't infallible.

LagosShia: no sir.

verse 3:144 refers to Umar running away from the battle of uhud and "turning back on his heels".

LagosShia: the ridda wars fought by abu bakr for zakat against those who refused his rule have nothing to do with this verse.

you said i am talking about the same battle of uhud where they "turned their heels".so you accept it is a verse about some sahaba who "turned on their heels" in lifetime of the Prophet (sa).then by your own (mis)interpretation you want to apply verse 3:144 on those believers who were butchered by Khalid Ibn al-Walid at Abu bakr's order because they refused to pay him zakat and considered Abu Bakr's rule as illegitimate.prominent among those killed was the companion Malik Ibn Nuweira (RA) who was a muslim among the people of yemen and he maintained he would not pay Abu bakr any zakat.

what Abu bakr was fighting for was for zakat and not for salat or the faith of Islam.so do not use your confusion to misapply Quranic verses.make up your mind as to what verse 3:144 is referring to.

LagosShia: check the Hadith of Pen and Paper.you will read about what deed is more heinous than running away from the battlefield.that deed is insulting and disobeying the Prophet (sa) while he was on his deathbed and calling him "delirious".

LagosShia: The Quran, chapter 3 (Aale Imran),verse 86 to 87:
"How shall Allah guide a person who disbelieved after their believing and (after) they had borne witness that the Messenger was true and clear arguments had come to them;and Allah does not guide the unjust people.(As for) these,their reward is that upon them is [size=18pt]the curse of Allah and the angels and of men,[/size] all together.

LagosShia: The Quran, chapter 3 (Aale Imran),verse 61:
"But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge,then say:Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and ourselves and yourselves, then let us be earnest in prayer, [size=18pt]and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars[/size][size=8pt][/size]

LagosShia: do not be afraid.it is not by force to adhere to my beliefs.but while you maintain yours,do not abuse the Quran and Sunnah and use confusion to claim what has no basis in Islam.

there is really no need for us to waste time going through arguments and counterarguments on the attempted assasination of the Prophet (sa).the facts and arguments and counterarguments have been treated here:
http://www.revisitingthesalaf.org/2012/02/companions-attempt-to-kill-prophet.html?m=1

you can either choose whatever position you want.

yetunsbay: jazakallahu khair.i heard say he lived at ibadan during his life.

proo212: He lived in Ibadan. I know his house on the way to Ososami....He drove a 504 station wagon with a loud horn. Everyone knew who he was

LagosShia: my dear names are mentioned in sunni sources.i would not fall in this bait.if i even copy the hadiths,i risk being banned.i am sure you have an idea of the names of the hypocrites that wanted to assassinate the Prophet (sa).

LagosShia:

was it Maclatunji that pushed you to ask us this question?

LagosShia: that is good enough and fair enough.if you can admit to that,then what is the problem? we just need to go deep to scrutinize our history and you will know that they being fallible certainly have dire meanings to see them for the true image they were

LagosShia: we do not label them hypocrites because they ran away from the battlefield in that incident.the incident you are mentioning is just one of many more even after the "verse of forgiveness" you are using.

one thing is this:

Holy Quran 3:14 ''Muhammad (SAW) is no more than a Messenger,and indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him.If he dies or is killed,will you then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers)? And he who turns back on his heels,not the least harm will he do to Allah,and Allah will give reward to those who are grateful."

clearly,the Quran has made it obvious that some sahaba on that day apostatized.we know the person who was first to run away in Uhud and "turn on his heels".if that person can fall into the "trap of shaitan" to turn to disbelief and abandon imaan once

LagosShia: then why do you find it impossible he did fall into disbelief on more occasions? or are you telling us: "once forgiven,never to sin again"?

LagosShia: so does Allah (swt) ask you to send "blessing" upon the hypocrites? as i know of the Quran,we are asked to disassociate ourselves from the hypocrites and hypocrisy.right? sending "curse" (la'na) is one way of bara'a (disassociating oneself from them and expressing dislike for their acts).it doesnt at all mean if they were alive,we would not invite them to truth or reprimand them with the hope they repent.also the Prophet (sa) was told in the Quran that if he asks for them to be forgiven 70 times,they would not be forgiven.also we are not to join funeral prayers when they die.why?

LagosShia: the problem is in you using the blank term/title of sahaba.there were righteous companions we Shia are proud of and we honor.there were particular individuals among the sahaba we disagree on with you.it is worth making that clear.in that sense,you should use instead "some sahaba" instead of just "sahaba" when we are discussing them.

LagosShia: your sources have provided the names of the hypocrites who tried to assasinate the Prophet (sa).simple.

LagosShia: the problem is not in knowing who they were,as their actions in so many instances that you still find excuses to give for them makes their position clear.

the problem is even if the Prophet (sa) was to be resurrected today and he makes mention of them,you will still find your way around that declaration to justify the actions of everyone who you group under the title of "sahaba".

LagosShia: funny enough,in sunni sources and practice you find error and mistakes in the actions of prophets,but you lack the courage to point out one error of even an infamous sahaba,so that you dont admit what the Shia hold that not all the sahaba were righteous,pious,pure,faithful,honest,sincere and loyal to the cause of Islam and the Prophet (sa).the problem is in you-a 1400 years old methodology and mentality based on denial.its your problem.

LagosShia: it really doesnt look like we read the same Quran.as far the Quran i read is concerned,the hypocrites are the worst of creatures and would dwell in the deepest segment of hell fire.they are worse than the kuffar and the mushrikeen.Allah (swt) and His creatures have cursed them in the Quran and therefore it is incumbent upon us as Muslims to curse them in every salat and in every dua.that is exactly what we Shia do.we do not deny the favor of our Lord,and we do not try to dodge to deny His words and Sunnah.





therefore it is Allah's (swt) Sunnah as it is the Sunnah of the holy Prophet (sa) to curse the hypocrites.we too willl curse them until they repent if they ever do repent.the Prophet (sa) cursed them in Aqabah when they tried to assasinate him and they were 12 in number.it is your own duty to know their names so that you can save yourself from Allah's (swt) wrath by continually "blessing" them and asking Allah (swt) to be "pleased" with them.

Mintayo: Zulu,did i even quote him,lol,its paining dem,i quoted Basilico not him,i didnt knw why he had to quote me,i guessed he saw d truth in my post,no?

harbiola1: Stop being a moro.n, prophecy comes from God and not from any Pagan christian.

Muslims can live solely on the Quran. It's you shameless christians that can't live without OT which you said God has in ur mind advanced u above. So i wonder what the fuc.king rubbish u're doing with the Law book.

When am quoting a bible, i'm doing so just to let u know how deluded u're. I just think as big as bible is, it should have some atom of truth in it and interestingly I found few. And how is that a sin if u're shown a fruit from ur own tree?

Al-Baqir:
Only if you can open your heart and read with sincerity of heart then you will see Walid Ibn Jumai was a prominent narrator in which SAHIH MUSLIM relied upon. And many books on Rijal were also referenced to you. All you could say is 'Names you haven't heard of'. A sincere heart journey through research and not excuses. Since when Ibn Saad, Dhahabi, Ibn Hajar et al became an alien name to you on the matter of Walid Ibn Jumai whom Ibn Hazim (a secondary name in Sunni world) declared 'unreliable'?

ALL the reference given in the link are SUNNI references with scan copies. So the onus is on you to verify weather they are real or false.

Its like talking to a christian. The best argument you can make is given ref from his book. That's what shi'a does all the time in a discussion with Sunni.

Al-Baqir:
You haven't truly digest one, you are asking for another! Its of no use brother.

usisky: [size=13pt]
Peace upon you dear OP.

On your question: The idea that the Quran forbids interests is a misconception and a terrible one at that. The word RIBAA as used in the
Quran does not mean just any interest, and often, it's been mistranslated as such just like in the translation you have above. Ribaa means
USURY(excessive interests or interests compounded over and over). Ribaa(Usury) was a common practice during the time of the prophet
Muhammad, where the rich used it to further enrich themselves while enslaving the poor.Here are two verses from the Quran that makes
clear the point i am trying to make:

Usury Prohibited

[Quran 2:275] Those who charge usury are in the same position as those controlled by the devil's influence. This is because they claim that usury is the same as commerce. However, GOD permits commerce, and prohibits usury. Thus, whoever heeds this commandment from his Lord, and refrains from usury, he may keep his past earnings, and his judgment rests with GOD. As for those who persist in usury, they incur Hell, wherein they abide forever.

[Quran 3:130] O you who believe, you shall not take usury, COMPOUNDED over and over. Observe GOD, that you may succeed.

It is an established economic principle that excessive interest on loans can utterly destroy a whole country.During the last few years we have witnessed the devastation of the economies of many nations where excessive interest is charged.

Normal interest - less than 20% - where no one is victimized and everyone is satisfied,is not usury.

Interest on bank deposits and interest charged on loans are lawful if they are not excessive (5-15%). Banks invest and their profits are passed on to the depositors. Since all parties are happy and no one is victimized,it is perfectly lawful to take interest from the bank.

There're many more verses clarifying this issue, but the above should give you a clear picture of the point i have made.We need to study
the Quran carefully in order to be able to maximize its application. It is much more than a hymn book to be sung without understanding.

Peace!!
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Al-Baqir:
The holy prophet (saws) said:

1. "Three are the signs of a hypocrite: When he speaks, he lies; when he makes a promise, he breaks it; and when he is trusted, he betrays his trust even if he observes Fasting, performs prayers and claims to be a believer.'' (Muslim)

2. "Love of Ali is a sign of believer and hatred of Ali is a sign of Munafiq" (Muslim, tirmidhi)

3. "One who hates us, the Ahl al-bayt, is a hypocrite" (Ahmad, Hakim, Suyuti)

Al-Baqir:
So you can go back memory lane and assess whoever you wish to assess.
NB: You can appreciate the wisdom of the Qur'an and the prophet (saws) not mentioning names PUBLICLY to safeguard the innocent and the deen.

You need some names?
Here's Hudhayfa al-Yamani (r.a)'s account:
www.revisitingthesalaf.org/2012/02/companions-attempt-to-kill-prophet.html?m=1

I only wonder the kind of Bid'a you brought that ALL companions are righteous.

Because of this,Hudhaifah was called the owner of the secret,which nobody knows because he could specify a group of Munafiqeen and they were those people about whom the the messenger of Allah ( ﺻﻠﯽ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻭ ﻋﻠﯿﻪ ﻭ ﺁﻟﻪ ﻭﺳﻠﻢ) informed him. Allah (swt) knows best.[Source: Tafsir ibn Kathir. Vol 4,Pg. # 181 - 182]

With such a prominent scholars praising Walid ibn Jumai they can remain not a shadow of doubt about the authenticity of these narrations.Some might claim these are mere speculations made by the followers of the Ahlulbayt (a.s) and it can not be ascertained for certain who these hypocrites are

macof: more Arab slaves

POPE II: Islam is a cocktail of Christianity+ the perversion, fantasies and illusions of Mohamed . Period a religion as useless as it gets. Gbam

E.O.D

factorial1: Morning y'all....
hmmm... it been a while friends, hope y'all r doing great?

have gone tru the update anyway, I loud your effort.

a piece of advice from little me to those quarrelling on what that doesn't worth it is that .
I see no reason for us to be egocentric or cantankerous tho... we are human beings and r prone to making mistakes, but don't let that deprive us from been friendly and accommodating either. We are one family..... #Shalom

Of The Greatest FUTARIAN!!!!
God bless. See y'all @d zenith.

Al-Baqir:
Even the Holy Qur'an separated the grains among them from the chaff. If Qur'an devout many verses and a whole sura for the Munafiq among the sahaba; and even go to such extent that Allah says there are some among these Munafiq not known even to the prophet (Q.9:101).
The holy prophet (saws) exposed them and gave generations to come tips to recognize the 'hidden' munafiq.
A sincere Muslim should heed to Allah and His prophet's advice. Recognize the Munafiq and distance yourself from them.

Mac. The choice is yours.

Habiz: How true is d vc list...?How true is d vc list...?

gsalvatore: Advice is the worst vice.

he should have considered a club that will give him chance to develop more instead he followed the paper trail. Now look what that poor decision bought him.

Bash92: Tanx bro, u'v really help me

Bash92: pls is it compulsory to recite only suratul Fatiah during 3rd rakat of magrib & 3rd nd 4th rakat of ishai prayer?
And what if i recite another Surah after Suratul fatiah does it make the prayer null?

kayword: Salam... Pls i heard just recently 4rm somewhere that washing of the body parts 3 times (during ablution) is more rewarding than washing it 1 or 2 times. Is this true??

WHξξ∟s:
Was it so hard for you to adress a simple appeal? Reiterating and engaging in red herrings is not a logical refuge. Just admit it if you do not know who that prophet was, enough with the circumlocution please.