₦airaland Forum

Ngokafor:
....lol..okay laudate,suit yourself.....carry on with your voltron-defender-of-the Universe against Igbos...na you go tire last last.

Deadlytruth:
Thanks. These folks are so pathetic in their tribal bigotry that they argue against common sense, basic academic principles and simplest logic. Funnily enough they are quick to claim they beat people blue and black in debates where they were subdued with superior logic. Beaters of vacuous chests.

Ngokafor:
Laudate Ngokafor the master quoter...you cant seem to make any comment on Nairaland without quoting people and instigating boring arguements and needless back and forth..na wa for you.

coolcharm:
All I see is Range Rover Evoque...

Deadlytruth:
Pazienza ran away from that thread without answering any of the questions I am about to ask you now. Please visit it again if you have forgotten how it ended. As for the bolded, you have just exposed how uneducated you are.

First and foremost, in SS 2 Government classes it is taught that the civil service is the only institution through which the government exercises its powers of generating revenue, allocating same for different purposes, monitors the utilization of resources, etc., i.e. a government without a civil service is as good as a car without an engine. In essence the civil service is the government, and the government is the civil service.

You agree that Ironsi harmonized/centralized the civil service, but contend that he did not centralize the government. How daft and illogical!

What is a government without its civil service if I may ask you? Very shallow reasoning indeed. Imagine you being a governor of a state but with your civil service under Abuja control. What sort of State Government will you be running? How will you collect tax to execute projects and monitor same?

Secondly, before Ironsi harmonized/centralized the civil service, each region was paying it's civil servants from revenues generated by its employees from within its domain. How do you think Ironsi would have been able to continue paying the employees of the centralized civil service without also having effectively centralized all the revenue sources of the regions from which their salaries were initially being generated thus abolishing resource control? Did you ever offer Government in secondary school at all?

Thirdly, Only a dubious person like you would argue that a person who removed the engine of a car left the car intact just because he didn't damage the body while removing the engine. How exactly were your "intact" regions supposed to operate without their civil service institutions which Ironsi had harmonized onto a central one?

Fourthly, what exactly does the word "Unification" in Ironsi's Unification Decree connote? In that speech didn't Ironsi condemn regionalism and denounce it as the source of national instability? So how could it be that he left intact the very arrangement he believed was the problem with Nigeria?

In furtherance of your duplicity against common sense, you argue that Ironsi did not introduce the 12 State Structure. That is totally irrelevant because the issue has nothing to do with how many subnational units there were, but how autonomous they were. Recall that before Ironsi came to the scene a fourth Region (Midwest) had been created, and more like COR, Middle Belt, etc were already being considered, and the autonomous system would have trickled down to as many of such as would have been created, as well as onto the future states to be created had Ironsi never introduced centralization or harmonization of the civil service thus eroding the powers of the subnational units.

So, your argument on who created the 12 states is irrelevant and stands as an escapist route to deny responsibility on behalf of Ironsi for Nigeria's derailment.

Please go back and read that Ironsi's speech of May 24 1966 and see where he declared that "Nigeria ceases to be what is called a federation, and it is now officially to be called Republic of Nigeria, as against the former Federal Republic of Nigeria". His removal of the term federal from the name simply meant that the regions had ceased to exist.

Go back and read and digest before you spew tribal emotions over what you have not deeply analysed. Wicked tribal bigot you are!

rosebowl01:
you people should keep quiet sometimes, and allow the right things to get done, rather than wanting to insert yourselves into every development as a "victim". Keep your damn "good morning" to yourself abeg.

blessedvisky:
Lol. Reminds me of a certain NL mod. He bans without provocations. Just seeing you post on his thread is enough to earn you 2016 years ban. . Mod, thou knowest thyself. Change thy ways, for thy nation is in d era of change!! !

Windflower:
I SMH when I see a post like this,did you come here to promote a tribal war. I wonder when people would be reasonable enough to realise that before we are Yoruba,Hausa or igbo,we are all humans.

Which study showed that peoples attitude is in accordance with the tribe they come from, that you have to conclude that all Yoruba's are like that.

My aunt married an Igbo man,this man refused to work all in the guise that he wanted to go back to school. He became my aunts bank,she would only receive alert on her phone,cos she was a Christian and believed in total submission to her husband. This Igbo man would bring his girlfriend home and introduce her as his sister,never allowed any family members near my aunt, cos he didn't want us to enjoy her money.

He would use my aunts hard earned money to stock up his girlfriend shop. The girlfriend would come,my aunt thinking its his sister would even give her money and cloth. Eventually, the step sister was the one who told my aunt the truth, still he begged and they moved on.

The real issue was when she needed airtime of just #100 and he refused to give her knowing fully well they paid her salary not long ago,things became violent they got a divorce.

On the day he was leaving,he packed the flat screen TV,air condition, generator and other items in the house,mind you he wasn't the one who bought all these things. Ooh,did I tell you she collected a loan for him at her workplace for him to get a car,she continued paying the loan while he went with the car. Family wanted to take it up with him,but my aunt being the coolheaded person told us to leave him to God

Now was it a Yoruba man that did all these,was it a Yoruba man that was callous enough to rape my friend for the 1st and second time.

Was it a Yoruba landlord that showed me pepper where I served in south east that they entered my room and stole my things.

Was it a Yoruba man that did all this,yet I never came on nairaland to spew trash about Igbo's,I still have them as friends.so before you come here and create a tribal war,try be of help to your sister instead.

tessytessy:
Lol. Maybe i should cross check. Its a 5 room Duplex with BQ. Osborne Foreshore, Ikoyi. We have light almost 18-20hrs in a day.

mamadsquare:
Consumption on a prepaid electricity meter isn't as expensive as people make you believe. The important thing is regulating consumption. My household for example uses 115 units in a month and a half, that's about 3000 naira. We power our freezer for 24 to 36 hours straight and switch of for about three days, water heater is only powered when the weather is cold and A.C when weather is hot. Things like iron, electric kettle, blender are powered as needed. Power supply in my area is about 16hrs a day on the average, and people with my type of household that do postpaid get 7500 monthly.

giftq:
omenkalives was talking like this before herdsmen drove him to Awka as a refugee

juddy4life:
These states belong to the north period. They must be oppressed and be lorded over by the fulanis until they wake up from their slumber. The Fulanis are not done with them yet.

giftq:
where is LaudableXX

hedonistical:
Between old Ikoyi and Banana Island, which is more expensive (let's use a simple detached duplex on 800 sq meters land as example)? By old Ikoyi, I'm specifically referring to places like Ikoyi Crescent, Queens Drive, Bourdillon and such.

Deadlytruth:
How really good a person's intention is about an action is judged against the prevailing background circumstances under which he took that action.
The coup and its resultant anarchical situation back then was as a result of the fact that the government at the center (headed by Balewa, Zik and Okotie Eboh) abused powers grossly by disobeying the Privy Council-Supreme Court equivalent, imposing falsified and disputed census figures on the nation, rigging elections in broad daylight, using the police to unlawful silence the opposition, etc.
A military officer who really came to the rescue and sincere about that mission should have found a way to further weaken the centre and strengthened the regions more in order to prevent future abuse of powers by the center by way of illegally interfering with the internal affairs of regions, thus avoiding a repetition of the ugly situation. But Aguiyi Ironsi, with his Unification Decree, took more powers away from the regions and gave them to the center whose abuse of power had just landed the country in anarchy. And you call that good intention?
I think he was just dishonest and after an agenda up his sleeves.

giftq:
Ok. LMAO.

Sai Baba

giftq:
Why is this olodo matter paining you na, giftq ?

mexxmoney:
The middle belters are a confused set of people. They are at the receiving end of a lot of injustice in northern Nigeria yet you see their desperation to show that they are more northern than the people from the core north. Just look at their children omenka and kyase here on nairaland and you will understand that the thing that is doing these people is strong.

Awoo88:
Those guys are useful idiots. They are profane fellows who had traded their birth right for Aisha rice and 30k per month.

ClumsyFlimsy:
So true bro. I have also lived in the North central/ middle belt before.
This middle belt people are so foolish; most of them will be claiming AREWA as if it's their tribe; and I have noticed they have inferiority complex and also lack ambition. They prefer to be slaves to Hausa/Fulani.
They should be eternally grateful to ndigbo because we have balanced a lot for them.
If not for igbo high population in most of these middle belt states; them for don Islamist them.

Back in the dayd whenever there was sharia riot in the North; thats when these fucktards tend to team up with ndigbo aginst their masters.

The only North central state I respect is plateau; they hav3 understood that igbo are not their enemies.
The average igbo man just wants to go about his bussiness peacefully and enjoy his life. Shikena !

But some of this dull middle belters believe we are their problem.

If Igbo were to get biafra today believe me Nigeria won't possibly see our back in advancement because we are not hypocrites, we are a civilised people and we always want the best for our selves unlike those hypocritical terroristic head slanmers

QuotaSystem:
Rubbish. You're the one not making sense at all.

Are Indonesians and other Asians who also detest Ibos for their idiosyncrasies also middle belters/northern Christians?

And who told you there aren't northern Christians that are Fulani?

You're clearly ignorant of what you speak of.

Middle Belt peoples and Languages
Along the border, dividing northern from southern Nigeria lies an east-west belt of peoples and languages, generally known as the Middle Belt.

The area runs from the Cameroon Highlands on the east, to the Niger River valley on the west. and contains 50 to 100 separate language and ethnic groups.

These groups vary from the Nupe and Tiv etc., comprising more than half a million each, to a few hundred speakers of distinct languages, in small highland valleys in the Jos Plateau. On the east, languages were of the Chadic group, out of which Hausa differentiated, and the Niger-Congo family, indicating links to eastern and central African languages.

In the west, the language groupings indicated historical relations to Mende-speaking peoples farther west. Cultural and historical evidence supports the conclusion that these western groups were marginal remnants of an earlier substratum of cultures that occupied the entire north, before the emergence of large centralized Islamic emirates. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/people-middle-belt.htm

EternalTruths:
That is why it is best to ignore them.

With more Fulani herdsmen terrorism, their brains will properly realign.

Until then, let them enjoy their One Nigeria.

Buhari till 2023.

Let me hear any of them who will shout " We fought to Nigeria One " and I will tell him or her to fight and stop Fulani herdsmen terrorists.

abouzaid:
I lived in the middle belt for six years and yet I could not understand their desperation to be identified as north,I couldn't believe they voted massively for Buhari at a time Fulani herdsmen were killing them non stop. northern Christians also have an intense hatred for igbos and slavish servitude to Fulani. I really wonder if those people have sense at all.

giftq:
my brother, the level of olodo for that middle belt is worrisome.

bugidon:
My good people from the east

mrvitalis:
That's the law of the state and his entitlement

And the house looks simple and straight forward
The location is the only reason that house would be above 70m worth

deomelllo:
Shebi fraud and lies be your portion in life as a village ipob? What else do you losers do beyond peddling lies on the internet?.

ipobs and lies are like brothers and sisters

three:
My source is me. Dispute that

if you are the same deomelo then you are just being clever by half as you would know for certain what the status of the claim is. That is if you haven't just been defending the governments in Lagos from a point of total complete ignorance.

iloveyou82:
that is why I like idiotic pigs of Biafra, they can defend corruption

Ovonlen:
Do you know your history at all? When was Femi Fani -Kayode ever poor? He was born with a silver spoon and his late father is Chief Remi Fani-Kayode, a former deputy premier of the western region and a first rate lawyer and one of the first SAN's in Nigeria.

bjayx:
True...fani kayode was never poor. But what does he do for a living besides the few cents his father left??

AryaSand:
When did he develop Heart Disease?