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@PTN a.k.a davidylan,

Why do you say that the sites are not credible? I haven't seen anywhere that UNICEF, WHO etc., came out openly to refute tales that estrogen, estradiol, cancerous monkey viruses and human chorionic gonadotropin, were not constituents of their virus vaccines. Again, I stand to be corrected. Until I read their refuttal or denial in black & white, I would urge Nigerians to exercise caution in the use of those polio vaccines. Life no get duplicate o!

narcissus:
@akeme
Please note that no single NNPC official can divert one dollar of the federations money. Anything denominated in dollar (even if it's a dollar) has to be signed by the president. All diversions and fraud carried out in NNPC concerning crude was orchestrated by the president. (Where do you think the money for third term, Obasanjo Lirbrary etc came from). NNPC officials are not in anyway honest, they commit their own fraud (Contracts,endless trips abroad not made etc) but anything to do with crude was done by the president.
@Disguy
Yaradua is a current GED of NNPC and the most senior official after the out gone GMD. So, until the new political appointment is announced, he should rightfully be the acting GMD. And yes he is from Katsina state.

Oga, I no sabi who you be, but may you live long for making the truth so plain and visible to us all.

unclebros:
it takes a spiritually minded person to understand prophecies! if you are not spiritually minded you can't understand Pastor TB. prophecies do come to past , but with an intervention of persistent prayers some prophecies may be halted for sometime. prophecies persists as long as prayers do not relent

Biko, na God I take beg you . . . .do not put T.B Joshua in the same fold as annointed men of God o! Di man no be prophet. . .

ono:
Attitudinal change will not go far to help bring about the needed reforms we so much crave in Nigeria. At best it will only scratch the surface. What we need is leadership change and the earlier we have this the better for this country of ours. We need credible, forthright, sincere and visionary leaders to take us to the next level in all facets of human endeavour in Nigeria. Soludo has been doing a lot in that regards in Economics; same with Akinyuli in drugs administration. We need more people of this calibre to move on.

On the contrary Ono, attitude is the first thing that needs to be altered before you can change human behaviour. Ask any psychologist. And the power of ONE, goes a long way, if that One person is determined to effect change. When you talk about leadership, from where are the leaders elected or selected? Is it not from the pool of the masses who have been followers, at one time or the other?  Are leaders born, not made? Is leadership an automatic thing? Isn't it learnt? I don't want to go into leadership theories and psychological factors, but I must say that I agree with Chxta (as cited by Sijien), on this issue.

Like someone once said: "The fault is not in the stars, but in ourselves that we are underlings." Can't remember now, if it was Shakespeare or another writer. Socrates also said: "States are made up of the men in them. Therefore we cannot have better states, unless we have better men. . ." Think about it!

McKren:
I can not launch any Missile on any person as no one knows the identity of anybody on this site, all you can do is attack someones[b] tribe, religion or political affiliation.
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_*sigh*. . . .You don't need to know a person's identity in order to make your stand known. Neither do you have to launch attacks on a person's tribe, religion or political affiliation, please. Scratch that, politics is fair game. But ethnic affiliations, are not. Doing that is so infantile, and it doesn't raise the level of discourse or understanding on this board. Take a cue from other folks who have developed the art of disagreeing with the points made, without being disagreeable.

McKren:
Yes I attacked someones tribe or region but that was after the person made rash comments about mine. If Laudate is simply saying that my attack was unprovoked then he has simply gotten so used to Igbo bashing or hating that he does not think I have the right to be angry when rash comments are made about my tribe.

Pages 1, 2, and 3 of this thread are here to prove whether my attack was unprovoked or not. And I still like to state categorically that I have no regrets for my posts on this thread and will not appologise.

Oh dear. . . .here we go again! What did you just say here? "If Laudate is simply saying that my attack was unprovoked then he has simply gotten so used to Igbo bashing or hating. . . . ." 

Talk about jumping to conclusions again. You are trying so hard to pick a quarrel with me, and I really don't have time for your antics. Stop clutching at straws, McKren. Am not your enemy, neither am I your problem. Go and look for the source of your problem, elsewhere.

fakande:
When you say he lied, it baffles me. When God puts a burden on your heart as a prophet and you fail to deliver it, you suffer grave consequences. Examples abound in the holybook but i think that of jonah is a very good example of what could happen to a man who tries to dodge God. Don't forget that Job had a valid reason for refusing to go on God's errand, which was that he would go and deliver God's message of doom to Nineveh, the people would cry for mercy and God would forgive them and let them be. Jonah felt that would make him look like a liar and he did not want that. God insisted on his delivering the message and just like he had predicted, god forgave them and did not destroy them. there are different types of prophecies and most of them are just meant to jolt us into repentance. In delivering prophetic utterances, however, we often stand the risk of looking like false prophets because sometimes, God's anger gets soothed and the prophecy of doom is not fulfilled. While not holding brief for Bakare and his ilk, i think you guys should tread softly on issues that are beyond you, especially about God and his servants, you did not anoint them, god did. It is therefore only him that has a right to judge them. Keep your comments or thoughts to yourself to avoid trouble.

It was Jonah that didn't want to deliver the message. You got it right in your next sentence, though. Well said. Good example!  

Allta:
Let me take out time to reiterate something

What is False prophesy:

A False Prophesy is just any other Prophecy without being devinely inspired.

A Prophet can prophesy(make predictions) which are devinely inspired by God, and then it necessarily doesn't have to come to pass. That wouldn't make this a False Prophesy.

If you're a very good learner, you should have figured this out, now you've forced me to cite an example in the Bible ,  2 Kings 20:1 - 11; In this chapter was Isaiah's prophecy to King Hezekiah, that he will die from his sickness, but Hezekiah went to God and prayed. Isaiah actually went to the King's house to inform him, at least Bakare never went to AssoRock abi? You can see how passionate Isaiah was io this story. Ofcourse, the end of the the story ended with addition of extra 15 years to the king's life.

So you tell me, is it that Isaiah is a false prophet in this context? I want to believe you'll say NO to that. So biblically, there is nothing wrong in prophesying about someone's death, but if that person pray to God and God increases his days, then that doesn't make the Prophet a "False" Prophet. What makes a False prophet is not that the prophecy never come to pass, it's that the prophesy isn't from God!
Do you need any more proof? Please research into things before Judging people , 

Peace Out!

WORD!! Beautiful example. Well said, bro'. Couldn't have put it better myself.

Afam:
@laudate,

You still dey hate? E no dey pay. Love thy neighbor before hate destroys you.

Why am I not suprised? That is the typical, standard dodgy rhetoric you often muster, when you have no shred of evidence to back up your allegations.

Planner:
It will make this discussion much more interesting.

In what way, pray tell??

Well, I cannot relate to Tasma's posting until he tells me what part of the North, he is referring to. There are several Colleges of Education in the North, as well as Polytechnics, State & Federal Universities etc. Last time I checked, a lot of them were populated by Northern students seeking an education. Now, if you look at areas like Minna, Lokoja, Zaria, Jos, Yola etc. you may not see this picture he painted. So that's why I said, he needs to tell us what part of the North, he drew his comparisons from .  

He also needs to tell us, if he tried to find out what made those able-bodied men decide to hang around, looking at him. Did he try to find out why?

Finally, in other parts of Nigeria especially Lagos, I have also seen people hanging around and looking at workers carrying out a project. If you are unlucky to encounter area boys while doing your job, ah omo, na another tory be dat!

Planner:
Laudate sorry to ask. Are you are a lady?

And if you are that makes you more interesting.

grafikdon:
Wonder why people think laudate is a she. Doesn't appear like a she to me.

Before I answer the question, can you both please tell me what my gender has to do with the topic under discussion?

@nuzo,

Point of correction. . . .Laudate doesn't hate Nd'Igbo!

Some folks just like to make wild allegations without any evidence. Have you taken out time to go through all my responses in this thread at all??

Afam started the allegations (without any proof o!), and his cohorts fell in line behind him. Meanwhile, the actual exchange of words started when McKren launched his missiles against Ono, and Ono replied in kind, as was explained later! How the whole matter turned into a web-match against Laudate, is something I still find baffling. Anyway. . . .God dey!

denex:
Errm, my dear laudate, did you even bother to read the articles which showed laboratory confirmation from different parts of the world that the polio vaccine administered in Nigeria contained the hormones estrogen and estradiol which effeminises males as they mature and rapidly developes females sexually, yet causes natural abortion.

Did you read the articles on those links? Each link shows a different article discussing a different aspect. Please read.

Denex, I must confess that my first post merely responded to your initial comments. I did not read the associated links. I do apologise. Now I have read those links. If indeed the polio vaccines were contaminated, then the government needs to take NPI and all those who donated them to Nigeria, to task, for giving our citizens contaminated vaccines. What was our Ministry of Health doing, when it took delivery of contaminated vaccines in the first place? Don't we have a quarantine section anymore? Or an inspection unit that tests those vaccines on arrival, before it is distributed and administered on women and children, nationwide?? We need answers!

But having said that, all children need to be vaccinated aginst polio. It is essential. The polio virus does not discriminate, and it could strike kids at any time. We have to find a way as country, to source for polio vaccines that have not been contaminated with estrogen etc.

Our foreign minister as well as the Health minister also need to take this issue to the United Nations, and subject it to public scrutiny, internationally. Next, we should drag those aid agencies supplying Nigeria with contaminated vaccines to the World Court. Enough is enough. We cannot continue to be cannon fodder for those who want to experiment with the lives of our citizens.

On a last note, polygamy does have a direct correlation with population growth. If one man marries one woman and they have four kids, would you say they are more fertile than a polygamous man who marries four wives, and has eight kids (i.e. 2 kids from each wife, or 4 kids from the first, 3 form the second, 1 from the third and none from the fourth)? All women do not have an identical fertility status, neither do they exhibit similar linear patterns, in child-bearing. Not even if they come from the same family. Same goes for men. So you cannot use Fela as a typical representative of the average polygamous man in Nigeria. M.K.O Abiola had more than four wives. Yet, at the time of his death the exact number of kids he had, were unknown. He too, was suspicious of all those kids that were being passed off, as his own. So he included a caveat in his will.

What am I saying? Polygamy should be seperated from the polio discourse. It has a direct link with population growth, but has little to do with a contaminated polio vaccine, unless you are saying that the reproductive abilities of men who took the polio vaccine in their childhood, has been adversely affected. In that case, no amount of polygamy that they practise will ensure that they bear children. 

Afam:
Racism, Tribalism, Sectarianism Section?

Hmmm.

Laudate, if that section scores high on your stats then it means that you may have embarked on a bad journey as regards hatred.

I go dey pray for you small small make God touch your heart.

And you have also embarked on an evil journey of no return, with your campaign of calumny against me. If you do a content analysis of the posts I made in that section, most of it was spent settings things straight, and not spent on any form of hatred. I leave the preaching of hatred to folks like you, who have a large dose of it in your souls.

crazykid:
Yea you're right.

But most girls wouldn't even bother to know how crazy he is towards her.

How would she know if he is crazy about her, if he doesn't tell her or show his love for her in concrete ways?? Some guys are so busing acting up and trying to prove a point, whenever they are in a relationship with a babe. By the time the babe gets tired of their antics and decides to take a walk, they now start saying all sorts of things.

Abeg, leave matter for Matthias o!

So Anabib, how did it all end?? Did you go for the wedding at the end of the day?

Denex,

High fertility rates in the far North, has little or nothing to do with the polio vaccine, and everything to do with age, and the religious tenents that allows polygamy to thrive, in many parts of that region.

Women in the South do not get married as early as women do, in the North. They often delay marriage & child-bearing until their mid-twenties to late thirties, due to reasons ranging from educational pursuits to career changes, unlike the Northern girls. Age has a direct correlation to fertility, not the refusal of the polio vaccine. Ask any doctor.

Secondly, a Northern muslim who has four wives whose ages start from 19 and above, will most likely end up with more children, than a southerner with only one wife.

May God enlighten those in the North who still kick against the vaccine. If you have ever seen a child battling with polio, you would weep. By refusing to grant women and children access to the vaccine, they are merely subjecting those kids to the possibilty of a deformity that could cripple them permanently.

@Tasma,
The North is a widely diverse place. And last time I checked, there were several educational institutions in the North. Who were those studying there? Foreigners, ??

@Denex,
Thank you for asking him to be specific. While I will not deny that the thirst for Western education is greater in the South, than in the North. . . .I believe that one has to put the whole issue into proper perspective, with respect to each region within the North.

Afam:
http://www.justwebservices.com/myblog/blog_view.php?myview_id=25

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How many Nigerians have the courage to accept their mistakes when they make them? Even with hard evidence and proof you will need a miracle to see the average Nigerian agree that indeed he has goofed. Rather, energies will be expended on diverting the issue (as owning up to the mistake is certainly out of the question) and when he is not getting his way with the diversion he/she goes personal and begins to attack your person.. . . . . . . .

Now I ask, is it wrong or criminal for one to make a mistake? If it is not, then why do we prefer to go through the very difficult task of justifying our mistakes rather than acknowledging them even if we do not want to correct them?

Physician, heal thyself! 

It would be nice if you could actually take your own advice for a change.

[quote author=I-man link=topic=65106.msg1390180#msg1390180 date=1187094145]Thanks for informing me that the Racism thread has been closed. A  whiz through our profiles will confirm that the "Racism and Tribalism Thread"  ranked as your second most popular destination while it ranked as my 7th most popular destination.   

If Donzman,Afam,NineToFive,I-man,Mikeansy,McKren,BabyOsisi.e.tc refer to you as a craven Igbo hater,it becomes fatuous to keep refering to all your Igbo accussers as crazy tribalists.

Your modus operandi-surreptitious attacks on Igbos-reflects a recreant mindset.Calling you a coward will be an insult to cowardly people.Your vacousness transcends cowardice,if you were not so rectal-cranially inverted,you might start to see  the need to seek a cure for your Igbo hating mental illness.[/quote]I have never denied visiting the Racism,Tribalism,Sectarianism section. Why should I? If that thread ranked 7 on your destination, maybe you should add the times you spent online as 4-play (in addition to those other multiple identities you adorned) to the list. It would boost the ratings, I assure you.

I only pointed you in that direction, because that section is more suitable for your war of words, not a serious political forum like this one. At this rate, I might have to hand over the title of Chief Whiner to you. You have done enough to win the award!! Oh, by the way, thanks for listing members of the tribalistic cartel here. You actually forgot to add Xris74, dimka, chichi81 and Aba4life to the list. Well, what do you know?? Misery loves company they say, but so does hatred, too. Feel free to add more new names to the list, if I have ommitted any.

As for the surreptitious attacks on Igbos, which you claim I perpetrated. . . .I beg for the umpteenth time, paste those attacks here o in black & white, instead of making wild, fallacious claims, you retard. Kindly explain in (black & white as well), precisely what you mean, without being offensive. I know its' hard, but try! Maybe someone can then offer you panadol for your headache! I must say am impressed that you took time out to go through a dictionary, in order to find enough bombastic words to lace your slimy response. Hehehe. . . .keep up the good work, slowpoke.   Chei!!

But don't kill yourself with hate, kid. Go for confession and get it off your chest. Must confess though I-man, you have finally lost every modicum of logic and sound reasoning.

And finally, if you were not normally so. . _{.ehm, let me borrow your own words here. .} "rectal-cranially inverted,you might start to see the need to seek a cure for your Laudate-bashing mental illness."

How does that sound, eh?

[quote author=I-man link=topic=65106.msg1390114#msg1390114 date=1187092926]This insidious Igbo-hating hermaphrodite(Laudate) never changes. [/quote]And the Laudate-bashing, moronic, demented, devious, identity-switching, cowardly, tribalistic chameleon known as I-man a.k.a 4-play has not changed, either. 

Pity, the Racism,Tribalism,Sectarianism thread was put to rest. You would have found people who share your propensity for hatred in there, I-man. Now buzz off and stop hanging on my coat tails, kid.

mikeansy:
choi Laudate, breeze don blow nyash don open. all man don sabi yu.

Make u kuku change name

Sabi me like how?? Na wa for you o. Did you take time out to read all the posts made in the entire thread at all?

Why should I change my name, eh? I don't have any problem with it.

Instead of some people to focus on the topic being discussed, they have turned it into a Laudate-bashing forum. It shows that they have very little or nothing to add to the Biafra issue.

Hehehehe. . . .God dey!! 

BABEELOVE:
You wonder why we have the type of government have. Every Nigerian female is a prostitute. I say I cannot wait to get my visa. I have had enough of Nigeria!!!! Everyday, from okada riders to the President will call a nigerian woman a prostitute. Even when you have no business with the matter. I say I tire for Nigeria!!!!!

People like Paw Paw can never survive outside Nigeria. Only because of this "agbero mentality" as you rightly put it!!!!

Ehm. . . . .Babelove, you talk a lot like Militia. Are you guys related, perhaps? Just asking.

big spif:
Fellow Nairalanders he has just proved me right Mr. xris74 it takes two to tango. You did not even let your clansmen out of your tribal castigation (imaging telling people to ignore laudate and co in one of his hate thread).

I no know say you sef don see am. . . .!!

McKren:
Laudate

The evidence on this thread speak volume for themselves, its not about big gramma or semantics.

Stop jumping on the bandwagon to do 'follow-follow' in order to spread more anti-Laudate rhetoric. Show what was said, written or stated, that qualifies Laudate to be the butt of all your wise cracks! Post the written evidence here, in black & white and let the public be the judge.

Am not Ono, so stop trying your silly tactics on me, 'cos it won't work. I fit borrow you my contact lens, in case you cannot see well enough to tell the difference!

Chukwu biko!! You mean some folks actually have enough time on their hands, to launch a whole thread devoted to me?? Hehehehe. . . . . . . . .na so di matter pain una reach? Kai!

Next time you decide to do so, please do not lump me with any other person. I walk alone. . .

doyin13:
LOL

Statements like 'the Igbos have no finer friends thatn the efiks and Ibibios' are so corny its untrue

Naija people too funny.

Well we Yorubas are regarded as traitors by everybody.

So I guess 'the Yorubas have no finer friends than Togo people''

Hehehehe. . . . .stop making me laugh so much!! Where did you get that joke about Yorubas and the Togolese, eh??

When people say the Yorubas are not trust-worthy, I laugh. The ones I have met are trust-worthy, sha. . . .except for one chap that pulled the stunt called "cunny man die, cunny man bury am", when I was younger. Ah, well. . . . . .one out of a hundred, can't be too bad.

Ooops, I forgot! This thread is supposed to be about the Biafran war. What was I thinking??

babyosisi:
I hardly use smileys.
sorry,you can't tell the difference.
Mrs Igbo specialist.
anywhere the Igbo gong is sounded on nairaland,there you are.
get a life!

Chei!! Babyosisiniqua, na you talk this one!! Do you know what a 'smiley' is?? It is that little green icon that you normally put next to your comments o! Shey, you don get am now??

Abi, make I cut and paste all di posts where you don use am? Will that refresh your memory??

Xris74:
Why are all of Laudate's ''enemies'' Igbo? Something must be wrong with him/her

Hehehehe. . . . .oh, I can see that you are deliberately trying to pick a quarrel with Laudate. Oya, jump on the bandwagon and knock yourself out.

The only enemies that Laudate has, are members of that tribalistic cartel who are too myopic to see beyond their noses. Those people have also been attacked by folks from other ethnic groups. So maybe there is something wrong with them too. . .or what do you think??

McKren:
There is nothing wrong in asking simple question, may be you might also like to explain to us why your gospel of tolerance for simple questions did not prevail when someone simply inquired about someone elses tribe on this thread.

You Laudate questioned why people wanted to know his tribe and whether they wanted to turn the thread into Igbo VS the person's tribe.


Wanna know what I figured out? I think it does your heart a great pleasure inciting hate amongst others while they abuse one another. And you were disappointed that I spoke to Obong nicely and you tried to incite more hate.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Why would I try to incite hate between you and Obong?? I sabi who you be? Please stop jumping to illogical, untrue conclusions.

I wanted to know why you were asking about his (i.e. Ono's) tribe, simply because it was NOT relevant to the issue being discussed. That was why I turned it into a joke. You guys had already turned the whole thread into an exchange of words with Ono. I really don't care if you want to set each other ablaze, but please take it out on the street, and don't derail the thread.

Already, you had claimed he was Urhobo, while another person was speculating if he was Ogoni. The whole thing had stopped being about the Biafra war, instead it had turned into a flexing of muscles between you and Ono. Do you remember?? Good. Frankly, I was just tired of all the animosity, so I cracked a joke about the ethnic group thing. Is that so hard to understand??

finally, what you claim to have figured out is nothing but a pathetic lie. If you do not know what a person is thinking, ask!! People should not make fraudulent, untenable allegations, when they cannot figure out what is on another person's mind. Quite frankly, my posts are quite explicit and each one speaks for itself, so there is no need to read any strange meaning that isn't there, into it.

McKren:
Laudate

I have made up my mind never to react to this thread but your call for black and white proof brings me back.

Could you please shed some more light on your motivation for reacting to a post which I refered to OBONG telling him that I did not wish to go into any kind of argument with him cause the Igbos never knew finer friends and allies than the Efiks and Ibibios. I made that comment cause I thought we the Igbos could only remain indebted to the Efiks and Ibibios.

You Laudate reacted to that comment when you were neither Obong nor were you from Efik or Ibibio, you reacted telling Obong that we look down on his tribesmen like they were lesser humans.

I could not figure out what could be the motivation for your comment until I began to see the remarks made about you.

So what have you figured out, pls?? Let us all know.

The comment I made was done on page 7 where I asked a simple question :

laudate: So why do a lot of Igbo people keep looking down on them?

I reacted to that comment, because I wanted clarification on something I had noticed, and also because I know quite a few people from your region, who do not share your point of view. This isn't the first time that people have asked questions, based on remarks that were adressed to others. So is it a crime to do so?