₦airaland Forum

donbenie:
All men are born Atheist..
Until the likes of you,gets hold of them and brainwash them with your superstitious drivels..

Humans are born without culture but with culture comes theology and there is no culture that does not believe in spirits and have a mathematical means of communicating with them. Humans are not born atheists but are born without culture. You are human only because of other humans. A human raised by animals won't be a human. It won't have language

LOVEALAIGBO:
But i thought your argument is that una holy pass!? Going along with your warped logic, there should be little or no Yoruba being held for drug offences in Saudi cells….more so when Saudi Arabia is seen as a holy land! The only thing you should be packing in your baggage when travelling to Saudi Arabia is your holy Koran and the bare essentials….not stuffing every orifice in your baggage and on your person with hard drugs!

You may not have realised it, but you’ve inadvertently helped make the point i was stressing earlier! Between the Igbo and Yoruba, which ethnicity frequently travels and does business in south-east Asian countries like Malaysia or even China? If there are more Igbo there than other Nigerian ethnicities, doesn’t it stand to reason that they would have a higher representation amongst Nigerians being held or convicted for criminal offences!?

Malaysia does not have more Igbo population than others but maybe China may have. Yahoo boys and students are the dominant groups in Malaysia.

discusant:
Do most Yorubas even understand that Nigeria is a stumbling block to development in Yoruba land and the rest of the south of Nigeria? The non MURIC Yorubas may understand, but the MURIC Yorubas look forward to Sokoto Caliphate for directions.
Worsening the positions of both Igbo and Yoruba in Nigeria is the lopsided political structure created by northern soldiers, as well as the military constitution supervised by the same northern soldiers and imposed on all in Nigeria in 1999.
That apart; the far north has literally freed itself from the tight grip of Nigeria through adoption of Islamic Sharia criminal laws. It's a political quagmire for the southerners in Nigeria.

Not only Southerners. Niger Hausas are better off than Nigerian Hausa. The minimum wage is more than double and they have a working refinery. That country is like Europe. What then are Northerners gaining? UN should take the oil while everybody agree you can't tariff goods meant for other nations, then break the country for everybody to breathe

aswani:
In Benin City, the number of Igbó's easily outstrip any other non indigene group and not even close.

In fact, I am convinced if you add all the other non indigenes and non Igbo's together, there will still be more Igbo's.

Unless you count you can't be sure. I hear that Yoruba is more or less a lingua franca in Uniben. I know people who attend Yoruba speaking churches in Benin city. Modakekes farm in their thousands in the area. Yoruba have always been in Benin as Yoruba used to be the language of the city before the empire declined. I don't agree with you on that one

aswani:
Please anybody claiming to be an Ọba in Igboland is not a real Ọba and shouldn't be taken seriously.

An Ọba rules a kingdom sọ Ọba Anambra (for example) is a fallacy and an insult to the good people of Anambra (minus the Obidients of course).

Let's agree to disagree about how many more are elsewhere because like Peter Obi at the Tribunal, we have nothing to proffer in that regard.

Of course he is not a real King just leader of Yorubas on Anambra land. What other word can be used?.

aswani:
I have to disagree that "all zones are mixed". There are probably more Igbo's in Ibadan than there are Yorùbá's all over the South Eastern zone in its entirety.

Even with the population proviso you stated, seems clear to me that the percentage of Igbó's in SW is more than Yorùbá's in S of the overall total for each region.

Anyway, nutin spoil. Aside from Obidients, we all want the same thing and are happy to live and let live.

What is Ibadan population? What percentage is Igbo?. Can they outnumber Hausas in Ibadan despite that they are restricted largely to certain occupations?. Igbos can not outnumber Hausas in Ibadan and neither do they do more business in the city than Hausas. Can they even be five percent of the population?. You might pass thousands of houses in Ibadan without seeing a single one owned by an Igbo in a typical neighborhood. However wherever Igbos are traders, they may be majority in that section of the market and getting to the place, it may offer a wrong impression of the number of Igbos in that city. I for one don't believe Igbos outnumber Hausa or Yoruba in any non Igbo Nigerian city. They can only outnumber smaller groups

aswani:
I have to disagree that "all zones are mixed". There are probably more Igbo's in Ibadan than there are Yorùbá's all over the South Eastern zone in its entirety.

Even with the population proviso you stated, seems clear to me that the percentage of Igbó's in SW is more than Yorùbá's in S of the overall total for each region.

Anyway, nutin spoil. Aside from Obidients, we all want the same thing and are happy to live and let live.

Well Oba Yoruba Anambra disagree with you by saying Anambra has 500k Yoruba, then in any Yoruba city you have to count before you can say which is more between Hausa and Igbo and SE can not be more than SS in the SW as a whole. Urhobos, Edos, Calabar, Ijaw etc and SS Igbos if added together will probably outnumber Igbos in the SW. In the old Eastern region, Yoruba are also large in number with highest concentration in PH, Onitsha then others. Unless you count, it will be difficult to determine if the old East is more mixed than the old West and vice versa. However groups specialize in different directions. Ilaje Yoruba fish all over the SS in large numbers because they have no other job. Oil company workers, bank workers civil servants, artisans traders drivers police fg workers produce buyers business men are what Yoruba do in other places etc

vdestro:
All men are religious and it is the religion of atheists to do evil, as you and your brothers have proven.

Nobody does evil openly. They always hide behind things like religion but many religionists don't know they are promoting evil while some of their kingpins know and are skilled manipulators

If you publish a resounding thesis you get celebrated and elevated. That is how it works and you bring advancement to your community but you have to believe your own thesis. Others will get infected. The Industrial revolution is a good example

The opposite also happens. If you sincerely believe something harmful and you start spreading it, it will also have the same effect but people will die as a result rather than be saved and the society will sink rather than rise. Religion is a good example.

vdestro:
All murderers, bandits, falss prophets are atheists. You are all evils alike, so you have not said anything of value.

Most people caught doing these things have religion and even carry it on their heads. Many are clergy. Most atheists have high moral standards

aswani:
I am interested in this and thank you for the information.

Why with a higher GDP, are people from those states found all over Yorubaland, and I don't mean major towns and cities?

By the way, I am very happy for Igbo's to be all over Yorubaland so my question is not from a position of bigotry.

Why are there very few Yorùbá's found in these SE states with higher GDP's? Yorùbá's will travel, not as much as Igbos admittedly, to seek a better life for their families. Hence they are quite a few in Abidjan for example. They used to be in Accra and even Kumasi too.

I genuinely am interested in an answer as to why Yorùbá's, and other tribes for that matter, don't flock to the higher GDP states in Igboland.

States in Nigeria have GDP according to population and all zones are mixed largely to the same extent. There are Yorubas in the SE doing the businesses, professions and trades they specialize in just like Hausas are there too

discusant:
When were you born?
The overhead bridges or flyovers in Lagos, enlargement of Ikorodu Road and other major urban roads of Lagos, most of the landmarks, including FESTAC building, Muritalla Mohammed International Airport, etc etc landmarks in Lagos were built with proceeds from crude oil.

That bridge is the major thing. FCT did not extend farther than Apongbon but Nigeria has proved a setback not only for Lagos but for everybody and it may continue getting worse. Without Nigeria, a better bridge would have been built

discusant:
Lagos is part of Oduduwa Republic.
Oil money from the old Eastern region was used to build most of Lagos infrastructures.
If 1/100th of the marginalisation of Igbo land by Nigeria's government since 1970 was metted against the Yoruba land, Oduduwa Republic would have been in existence long before now.
Don't mind the legislator Kalu foaming in his mouth seeking for recognition through Yoruba and Igbo names dropping.

I think the major thing built in Lagos with oil money is the Thirdmainland bridge but Abidjan is now the best city in West Africa. How then has Nigeria helped Lagos?. Today Lagos is the only state that can fund its budget without fg allocations and other states could have done it too and it is not too late. Enugu should have been developed to be at par with Kaduna and Ibadan since all were regional capitals but it was PH that took the spot in the East

Neckpresser101:
Are you telling me that as untravelled person or as someone who have travelled wide and far Nigeria?

I have travelled and all I know is that the SE is as mixed as other zones despite that it has no highbrow city like other zones. If Igbos sell spare parts in Ilesa, you find Ilesa people as small scale transporters in Onitsha and as artisans. No group is making more money than the other, you stay afloat and prosper according to luck, planning and foresight. A transporter with a couple of taxis can make money, so also a spare parts dealer. Any of the two markets can get saturated but you have to face the one you know. PH as a city has more SW people than SE Igbos. Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa etc are all over the country hustling, why then do people think any group may be at a disadvantage if the country breaks up or that Igbos are more dispersed?. Igbos don't travel more than Yoruba whether in Europe, North America or within Nigeria but they do more trading on the overall but what about Yoruba big businesses like Glo etc? ECOWAS is visa free for citizens of member nations and breakup which is the best way forward for the country is more for security reasons than any other. It is after security that we now can talk of prosperity. If the country is not broken up, then they should give state on demand and approve state police then set up a unicameral legislature in which the money you pay up determines your number of seats

Neckpresser101:
In your ewedu filled brain you think all Igbos live outside SE

The Igbos outside south East are less than 20% our population


SE states remove Lagos are doing excellently well than your ewedu states check out latest GDP rankings and see two of ours states above your ewedu states

Una go explain tire


Imagine people that beat Thier people because they look like igbos mtcheww

And maybe 15 to 30 percent of SE population is non Igbo. No zone is more mixed than the other because populations of ethnic groups are specialized in different occupations needed in all the zones.

internationalman:
All what you said is fact..

Thers seems to be no way out of Nigeria adversity.

Taxing the large population would have resulted in large revenue. But how do you tax poor innocent citizens.

You tax workers after fixing minimum wage then give part of the revenue to the unemployed while assisting businesses to be set up. That is how they do it across the globe

There are as many Yorubas in PH, Onitsha etc as there are Igbos in Lagos and the rest of the SW, no borders against migration across West Africa and if Nigeria breaks up those Yoruba will remain there. There are millions of Yoruba in Ghana and Cote D'Ivoire. There are more Yorubas in Maiduguri and Kaduna than Igbos with properties and huge businesses in those places as well. Then there is nothing special in Lagos, if you as a state take 5 billion from Abuja, generate 20 billion on your own and you will become another Lagos. One billion invested in a single location can employ up to one hundred people, if into farming, it may employ five hundred and any state can assist people to do this every month if need be, open such new businesses every month with the help of foreigners. Those workers will come with their families and they will need all kinds of services which other businesses will provide. No group need to pick other groups as enemies, just focus on your own land and on your own advantages. Benjamin Kalu is right that Yoruba are not the problem of Igbos and if you build 100 houses in Lagos where the traditional ruler and owner of land is Yoruba then you have to cooperate with the people of that land and not be fighting them. In Ijesa land here, anything built by anybody belongs to Ijesa land as a whole. Yoruba led businesses in the US belongs to the USA. That is how it works and it is why what you do on your land with hands joined together are your only belongings as a nation. What late Captain Haastrup an Ijesa prince achieved in PH is the property of PH. Workers there pay tax, rent and etc to PH. This is why a nation must focus on its land.

MrSinister:
They should have at least ensured the CNG & LNG were rolled out nationwide as an alternative before removing the subsidy on petrol.

What are they doing with the savings is the question and the answer will tell you there is no leadership in the country.

internationalman:
True..

But I still think for an unproductive country like Nigeria, out large number of population is a disadvantage.

Population is only a disadvantage when children are plenty inside it but they are still market. Population is market and your number of taxpayers is always proportional to your population and taxpayers are the revenue source in any serious country. For example no country depending on taxes will open fire and kill one thousand unarmed Shiites within a few hours for being infidels. Out of 200 million? Such only happens in resource dependent countries

internationalman:
Imagine how rich Norway would be with their oil and little population.

People don't actually know that Nigeria doesn't produce enough oil for it's population.

In fact we are a poor country.

Not really poor. We have well watered lands, fairly educated population and the country has potentials to be rich and would have been richer if the people had no places to run to as it was in the olden days. However any country with many children even as the aim and ambition of able bodied youth is to travel out will be relatively poor. That can't be avoided. Hausas are the only large group that they don't travel out in large numbers but they do too in proportion to their number that is well educated enough to compete abroad

MaxInDHouse:
Just as Jesus of Nazareth said:

Eyes you have but you can't see, ears you have but can't understand.

Do you think people worshiping in different ways are the ones behind killing their neighbours?

Let me take you back the memory lane:
Before the whiteman came to Africa our people have their traditional forms of religion and each has different rules. The worshipers of Ọ̀ṣun ṣẹ̀ngẹ̀sẹ́, Èṣù ọ̀dàrà, Ṣàngó, Ọ̀sanyìn, Olú-òkun (Olókun), Ifá (Ọ̀rúnmìlà) and many more have their dos and donts which adherents holds so dearly and religiously but since our traditional Kings view themselves as demigods none of these gods control the affairs of their domain no matter what the priests of this gods say it's either they are appeased with sacrifice or sent out of their domain along with the priest of any god trying to take control of their political affairs.

But when the whitemen came they noticed that African kings have the final say while the gods are just advisers on issues no matter how serious it is so they began attacking the gods in a subtle way using schools to change the thinking of the African child until our gods became irrelevant before educated Africans who has been taught how to rule over our kings with the support of the whiteman.

So that's how politics took over from our kings and rendered our gods irrelevant before the African child whose parents now wants him or her to become lawyers, doctors, engineers, professors and many more. All these professionals are the same people that formed our political system under supervision of the white supremacists.

Now let's ask ourselves: Is religion the problem or politics?

Remember we have our traditional religions and political system before the whiteman (English) came so they attacked our religion because they realized it has no grip on our political system and they already had the experience of how Rome ruled for centuries using religion as cover-up.
Do you know why British colonials fully backed the North and insisted that we must merge as one nation for independence despite knowing fully well that we are not in any way compatible?
Well it's because they prefer to hand over power to the North as they've discovered that their religion has a grip on their political system unlike the south.

So stop blaming RELIGION it's not the cause of world's problem rather it's POLITICS!

I don't agree with you but I will be brief.
The founder of Nigerian nationalism is Sir Herbert Macaulay. He was quoted to have said that like his moustache is glued to him, so must the North and South be glued together or words to that effect. He died as a Nigerian nationalist thinking it would be a great nation. Then the British did not hand over to anybody, the Northerners were assertive and insisted they would go it alone if not given the PM position, Dr Azikiwe obliged them. Tell me again how the British handed over Nigeria to Northerners. Without being given PM position, they would have broken the country. All this history is not hidden.
Then religion is just another excuse to fight wars. Do you really think we need more reasons and avenues to hate, fight and kill each other? It is bad enough as it is. We did not have religion in the past. Just theology and traditions

Subsidy removal- What another nation would have done

Any government of any nation that is really using common sense to serve the people will remove the fuel subsidy because you should only buy cheaper if you are able to produce locally at a reduced cost. They do this in other countries like Iran and etc where they have working refineries and a lower cost of living leading to moderate wages to allow for reduced cost of production of anything that can be produced in the country and Iran can manufacture almost anything. It can be possible in Nigeria too and it can be done if the government takes over the Dangote refinery. However in any other country apart from Nigeria, the money saved from the subsidy removal will be used entirely to better the welfare of civil servants even as a taxable minimum wage is also imposed on the private sector. This is what the governments of Benin republic, Cameron and Niger republic that are our neighbors would have done because governance there is a serious business and not a tragicomedy as is the case in Nigeria. Again subsidy removal is good but it is totally immoral to use the saved funds for any other thing than to increase the salaries of workers but they have removed the subsidy, devalued the currency and left the minimum wage as it is. Welcome to Nigeria

Unseen:
The wife of the white couple should explain who fathered the child and stop blaming innocent spirit

Not multi racial child but full negroid very dark and with kinky hair

internationalman:
Oga what's your argument exactly.

Nigeria is 200million people and the US is 330million people.

The US produces 11 times the amount of oil Nigeria produces a day. So, do the maths..

Nigeria is not even in the top 10 oil producing nations in the world..

For your information the US is number 1..

Nigeria's oil ranks with Norway's and Norway is 5 million people

Kobojunkie:
Well, you did insinuate that there were good cults out there leading me into wonder if you yourself belong to any of the good ones.

2. I think of them as cults mostly because what I have read about the, particularly accounts of former members of each group.

I did not say there are good cults. I said religion are cults because they at least hate you for breaking weird laws and that is not good enough and if people insist they want religion then call it religion but it must have only one rule which I stated but I don't see it as a religion because living under God is true freedom which is not really religion but for those who like the word.....

I doubt if any prominent member of any of the group I mentioned have ever been found guilty of any crime but can you say that about religionists?

Us and the Spirits

Intelligent unseen beings outnumber human beings maybe ten to one or by a higher ratio than that and they are always doing things of their own volition sometimes to cause us to be confused, cause us to laugh or to ridicule us even without being prompted. It is the proof that they are intelligent. Satire, comedy and etc are undeniable proofs of intelligence and it shows that those who know how to solicit the assistance of these spirits can get them to help do almost any thing that can be imagined and this is the basis of all magic. Examples of things engineered by these spirits that I have heard of include.

1. British sailors encountering Buddhist monks in China speaking English with a perfect accent and quoting Shakespeare while entranced!. The monks were not able to understand a word of English when they calmed down just like the account of speaking in tongues in the Christian Bible only that this one is recorded in the encyclopedia. There are many other incidents not recorded formally anywhere. Inference is that some unseen beings from England that know English followed the sailors to China from England and played a trick on them to watch the expressions on their faces.

2. A white South African couple gave birth to a negroid daughter that can pass for maybe Zulu, Xhosa and etc with very dark skin and kinky hair. The daughter grew up and married a black truck driver probably because she could not fit in into the white society due to apartheid!. Inference is that some unseen beings did that to ridicule the Apartheid regime of South Africa telling them 'we can make all your kids to be negroes if we want and in a single generation too and your apartheid system is therefore wrong!'. What you should have done is carry the negroes along with you to make them as educated, productive and prosperous as yourselves since you are living in the same space!. The country will therefore move forward together as a result'.

There are numerous examples of interventions by these unseen beings but the examples I used can not be controverted by anyone

Kobojunkie:
I asked if you belong to one since you seem to subject the definition to private ideas you hold..

Someone making posts spiritedly against cultism being asked if he is a cult member is disrespectful. Why do you think Satanism, Scientology, Ogboni or Freemasonry are cults?. Have you taken time to read up about them?. Those are some of the most responsible associations on Earth.

preciousee17:


Sorry bro, but that's where it all becomes demonic.

That is your opinion. Not everyone cares about your opinion. If I want guidance from a dead ancestor, I will use the Ifa oracle

Kobojunkie:
So questions that deal with the preternatural, occult, etc., right? Meaning someone like me who does not have any questions about such would not benefit from IFA, right?

So if IFA is not a religion and all religions are cults, do you also belong to a cult you consider "good" as well?

There are no good cults. All religions are cults since they manipulate the minds of their members and instil fear in them to make them behave in certain ways that are opposed to logic. Someone like me can not belong to a cult and any group that is based on non initiation of violence and that do not threaten people with hell over unbelief is not a cult. Freemason is not a cult. Ogboni is not a cult as they will never initiate violence and will never sit as a spectator to watch evil prosper.

Then your mode of questioning is rather strange!. Asking if I belong to a cult!. Does not sound intelligent since I am the OP

Kobojunkie:
So IFA is pretty much fortune telling?

It can also tell the past too. You can use it to communicate with dead people. You can use it to read people's minds. It is therefore more than fortune telling

Kobojunkie:
If you ask the same question twice and you get a different response each time, chances are at least 50% that either one or both responses are false.

2. I get what you said of IFA not being a religion and all. What I am asking if of what real value is it to anyone? What are some examples of these questions that without IFA are otherwise unanswerable?

Let me give you an example.
Letter of the year for the globe received at Oke Igeti said Ogunda Ose meaning a conquest will lead to creation/new beginning/clearing of the way etc.

Letter of the year received at Oke itase said Irosun Osa for the globe which means conflict will lead to blessings.


It is left to you to take one, take the two or take another reading but the oracle does not like to be nagged just like anybody and if you ask a third time you will get a different answer which is why when consulting the oracle, pray carefully and generate the codes only once for one query and that first one is the most valid though any cast is also another perspective of what will happen. That is how it works

Otherwise unanswerable questions are questions like

What is the destiny of this new born?
What kind of King will this person make by character?
How will this journey be?.
There are a million and one such questions

Kobojunkie:
If, according to you, IFA offers no truths, of what value is it to anyone then?

2. So, you are in fact convinced that there are good and bad religions then, but can you give an example or a good religion?.

The word of Ifa never passes without coming to pass. Where did I say Ifa offers no truth? I said Ifa is not a religion. Ifa is used to answer questions that could otherwise not have been answerable