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Maynman:
Islam and christianity are not heresy, you still don’t get it.
It is DOCTRINE that can be heresy.
Your trinity is someone’s DOCTRINE supported by constantine, the reason why trinity is the main orthodox now is because of the support of him.

Catholic was made state religion in Rome, not christianity. Anyone that did not worship trinity was killed.

Majority of clergy men don't accept the positions of Christianity nor Islam but majority accept the positions of Hindu, Buddhism, Isese, Shinto etc and since you said something is heresy if not accepted by the majority then it means Islam and Christianity are heresies

Maynman:
There are other religions that predated christianity and islam.
Both stemming from Judaism, Abrahamaic religion.
Judaism comes from yahwism. Yes yahweh your god

No religion has killed more people than Christianity and islam.

The ignorance is alarming.

Can you mention any other group in the world threatening people with hell fire for unbelief?. Wars of theology are the addition by Christianity and Islam to decivilize the world.

Maynman:
You don’t know what “Heresy” means.
Heresy is simply the opinion with less support, it doesn’t mean it is wrong.

You worship the Trinity, a Catholic concept, even the early fathers reject it, it was made orthodox in nicene creed.
To non trinitarians, you are a heretic.

You are right with your definition of heresy and by that definition both Islam and Christianity are heresies while the theory of relativity is not

[quote author=laluski post=124597344][/quote]Editing of curses does not negate the curse so far you 'merit' it and the curse was sincerely and solemnly placed on you by someone with the power to do so. Next time don't test the depth of a river with your two legs.

Maynman:
All religion is traditional.

You lack what heresy means.
A thing can only be heresy after it has been concluded by the members of that society.

Your trinity was made orthodox and other heresy because it was concluded in the nicene creed with the help of constantine.

The ignorance is alarming.

There are only two theologies of know it all mentality and animated hatred of others. They are the ones that want to convert the whole world. They are the only religions. Others are harmless traditions. I wonder when you will understand this. Islam and Christianity are the only religions

Maynman:
All religion is traditional.

You lack what heresy means.
A thing can only be heresy after it has been concluded by the members of that society.

Your trinity was made orthodox and other heresy became it was concluded in the nicene creed with the help of constantine.

The ignorance is alarming.

That is exactly what I mean by saying heresy should be introduced but people should not be prevented from practicing heresy behind closed doors in their private space where no one can see them

Maynman:
Irunmales only exist in yoruba mythology.


“Heaven is just like earth”, there is no “heaven” in yoruba mythology.
Heaven is not a PLACE. Heaven means SKY.


Orun has been translated as Heaven. But the truth is Orun and Islamic / Christian Heaven doesn't mean the same thing.
The idea of heaven filled with golden streets, 72 virgins and mansion is Alien to us. Also the concept of Heaven is UP and Hell is Down is foreign to us. infact, we don't have the equivalent of Hellfire in Yoruba language .. The word hell was translated as Orun Apadi. Apadi literally mean "Broken Pot" The original stance of afterlife of the yoruba people is misconceived/altered by Islam and christianity.

So what is Orun?
Orun is a contraction of Orirun.
The word Orirun is formed from two words "Ori" and "Run" Ori is very important to yoruba people, that's why you can't see any Yoruba art or sculpture without the head, sometimes it's just the head.

There are two types of Ori:
(1) Ori Ode (Physical Head)
- used extensively to mean
-- The top
-- The Physical Self(A whole)
-- The Pinnace
-- The highest point
-- The main place
-- The major point
(2) Ori Inú (Spiritual Head)
-- Soul
-- Spiritual self
Used extensively as:
--Destiny
--Life path
--Life purpose

When "Run" means:
--Originated (from)
--initiate (from)
--stem (from)
When you put Ori-run together it means the main place of origination.
The synonyms will be "The Source"
The word doesn't suggest a particular place in the sky.
According to Yoruba belief, when you die, you join your soul group. It might be below the ground, Jupiter, or one of the stars. Orrun (The source) is not a specific place. They believe that when you die, you go back to that particular source you came from. Orun or Orirun is not one specific place where everybody goes.
Orun is just a strong version of Orírun.
There is no promise of mansions, streets filled with gold, praising a deity for eternity while others burn in hell

In Yoruba theology all existence both heaven and Earth consisting of all galaxies, alternate universes dark matter, baryonic matter and etc are inside two calabashes covered one on top of each other. Me and you are inside this covered calabash

Maynman:
You don’t even know what heresy means.

Actually no heresy in any traditional theology because no religion but presently as there is now religion, heresy needs to be introduced. Culture is never static

Maynman:
How is a calculator more advanced than his creator because he can only sums things faster?
Is your fridge more advanced that you because it makes things colder?

All what you listed can only do the work, the Creator asked it to do, and not to forget none of this can work on their own.

Al ONLY has information that’s uploaded to it.

I agree that a creation can not be more advanced on the overall than the creator but it can be more efficient for specific tasks which brings the question of why the non material world was created by the non material beings

Maynman:
Stop lying, There’s no where olodumare is said to be kings of human beings, there’s no where in yoruba mythology where there is orun rere or orun apadi.
There’s no yoruba theology that says there is awo in heaven.

Have knowledge on what you say, the orun in yoruba mythology is not same with your greek heaven that has gates.
And olorun is ALOOF in yoruba mythology.

I am not a believer, you believe what you lack knowledge on.

Irunmales are non material human beings. Olodumare is their King. The name of their capital is Ogotun and his title is Agotun. He chairs a ruling council of 401 irunmales. He himself is an irunmale. That is the teaching in Yoruba theology. There is nothing like orun apaadi or orun rere. I think those are descriptions brought into Yoruba language through religion. Heaven is just like Earth, so Olodumare is married with wife, kids,servants and etc but no account of God becoming flesh in Yoruba theology. It is heresy in Yoruba theology to say God is incarnated. God can only be incarnated if he was deposed in heaven which means he is no longer God and it is the current God we should be interested in.

sulaak:
Lagos is in the SW .. Lasos cease to be the federal capital in 1990, BTW only Lagos Island and Apapa were the designated FCT yet the majority of Igbos are settled in Lagos mainland.

Ibadan naturally should be the most developed and populated as it used to be since it is the former capital but LASG is the most efficient in the country. They employ more people than the FG, can survive without allocations and have relatively well developed taxation. They depend on PAYE. If any state does it, they will have the same results. Lagos is not more cosmopolitan than PH or Kaduna maybe not even Kano and the fixation on Lagos by some people is unfortunate. I don't even understand the meaning or what they hope to gain from it presently or in the future. Land is sacred and Lagos however tiny is sacred to the land owners even the Sahara desert is the same to the land owners. Abuja, Kaduna, PH are more cosmopolitan than Lagos.

My story in an autobiography

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QwDLe1NuyGUIFw2gJAfRsMlAZck9JUVSFdwilwBX5i0/edit?usp=drivesdk

Kobojunkie:
So what exactly was Adeboye's reason for wanting you dead and going through all this to see that happen?

He did not start with wanting me dead. He at first assured my parents he will make me born again by force in 2000. It amused the CIA that had him on surveillance and President Bush brought Barbara Bush into the picture as a response. She started communicating with me via a pseudo id, then by 2007 I joined social media after NYSC, Adeboye encountered me there and after following me for a while, he said to himself this young man again?. He then paid a juju man to run me mad, the CIA swung into action by approaching first the Russians then the Chinese Indians etc and the affair took on a life of its own with Adeboye deploying all his arsenal against me. He used a lady to submit videos to the DSS to portray me as rapist paedophile etc they were edited videos as kicked off by Rihanna who also was following me on social media. She described what she did in her song mandown. Then Oyedepo too joined to send assassin's after me etc etc.....It is a long story and there is a link to an ebook among my topics that details everything

illicit:
Wait o, Adeboye tried to kill u?

Put out a contract on u?
And Rihanna...

Adeboye I know, Rihanna I know

Who are u?

I am the only reason both are dollar billionaires today. Without me both would have been long shot dead. I mean many years ago

He killed my friend John Audu of Eke Avrugo village Igalamela Odolu LGA Kogi when he refused a contract to kill me. Enoch Adeboye lured him to a secret location got him tied up and personally axed him to death.

He killed Bola Ige the former attorney general because he can't stomach a high profile politician he can't control

He killed Richard Donald of Action congress Abia state in conjunction with Rihanna the pop singer when that one bungled the arrangement to poison me that he proposed which Adeboye and Rihanna sponsored

He used magun a Yoruba charm to kill late Sanni Abacha

He tricked a fellow missionary to a meeting on a cruise boat and threw him overboard.

He started using human beings for rituals starting from 1988.

He killed a police man when he was a youth.

Maynman:
Stop lying, There’s no where olodumare is said to be kings of human beings, there’s no where in yoruba mythology where there is orun rere or orun apadi.
There’s no yoruba theology that says there is awo in heaven.

Have knowledge on what you say, the orun in yoruba mythology ins not same with your greek heaven that has gates.
And olorun is ALOOF in yoruba mythology.

I am not a believer, you believe what you lack knowledge on.

You sound very stupid to say I am lying. What do you mean?

Maynman:
That’s a blatant lie, can you show me where olodumare consulted ifa.

I don’t know everything, i learn everyday.

Does your god know that man will alter his plan?
An omniscience god should know exactly who he will use. Your god is not sounding Omniscience atall.
how can man be altering the plan of a omnipotent god?

Your god doesn’t even know how many people will be in hell, but he knows the end?
Is it not people actions that will determine the end?

Olodumare is the King of human beings in the non material state which is like our own society. According to Yoruba theology they have Awos in heaven too and it is sound enough for me to believe but you of course don't have to believe. You can't alter the plan of God. No one is big enough but you can work at cross purposes with God by doing evil

Lawag3:
The bible teaches restitution which is settling with people who you hurt or offended

If you believe it's not real. Then you do not need be scared you call it fairy tail then you don't need to be threatened. Unless you believe it is.

Like I say we only warn and we warn out of love.

You know Christianity and Islam is different right. Islam allows you to kill unbelievers Mohammed was a vile man Jesus was peace.

Let me tell you for free the Quran say all Moslems will go to hell.

Mohammed didn't know where he will go Jesus promise believers heaven.

Common sense is enough to realize that God who you can't see can not be offended by you and that you need to focus on the person you wronged. Islam is a sect of Christianity and Mohammed was converted by his catholic wife which is why he believed in the immaculate conception of Jesus. The first religion is Christianity. Christianity was spread by the sword as well. Only kids and impressionable adults can be scared by fairy tales in books of religion. Not someone like me.

Maynman:
He knows EVERYTHING.
COMPLETE AND INFINITE KNOWLEDGE, not to add that this same deity also created you.

read what you sent

In heaven, Olodumare consults Ifa and the Oluwo is Ajagunmale. You know everything too or can access any information and that is how it is in heaven as well. God is the owner of the grand plan while man can only authour small actions that can not alter God's ultimate plan, if you won't let God use you then someone else will come in handy but God's plan will stand. Your sharp practices or evils are not part of God's plans!

laluski:
Please how can I un-read this and quickly help this poor boy to yaba psychiatric hospital.. Please if you know his parents, teach our to them... This boy need help

You and your loved ones will die in mental hospital. You are anonymous while my real id is posted on my profile. Nevertheless I lay a curse on you wherever you are on Earth surface and you will die a gruesome death you bastard

Kobojunkie:
1. Rubbish! You obviously have beef with the man does not mean Jesus Christ supports whatever immorality you accuse him of. For one, Jesus Christ never said all things are permissible so why resort to such a lie?

2.

Christianity is a free pass for immorality. At a point the Catholic church sold pardons for future sins

One might be tempted to think Enoch Adeboye is insane for repeatedly saying he is operating with grace from the Almighty father to account for his successful serial murder of seven people but then you will be forced to admit that it is actually the teaching of Christianity. Crass immorality is what Christianity promotes. With Christ ALL THINGS ARE PERMISSIBLE. However most Christians may not have thought deep about the issue. Enoch Adeboye however knows what he is doing and the real failing of people like him and David Oyedepo is that they believe there is no God. It may sound odd but that is the reality. Enoch Adeboye and David Oyedepo have concluded in their hearts that there is no God. They are atheists and are also professional con artistes. They believe their grip on their sheep will never weaken. They do not know that they had been slated for punishment by onlookers decades ago. All they can see is how easy it has been for them to milk their followers and live a life of unmerited opulence.

Lawag3:
Jesus is God which is true.

Yes only God can forgive sin.

Yours sins will always be forgiven by God doesn't mean God takes the consequences of your sin a promiscuous person who gets HIV and repents doesn't automatically become healed.

Jesus died for me and you which is true. If you know history Pontius Pilate said he saw nothing wrong in Jesus he washed his hands off his case.

Salvation is free in the sense nobody pays for it. Because it has already been paid for. Jesus paid for it with his death. Gave it to us for free.

It is called the good news you only tell good news to love ones. We do not spread an ideology we spread the good news we tell people to live a good life. You are scared of hell but there is a way out you have been offered it but rejected it. If you don't believe it then live your life no one is forcing you bro do you but hope you don't regret it. When you finally die and heaven is not real you loss nothing but when it's real you loss everything.

Telling a law abiding man he is going to hell is terrorism however subtle. It is mind eating and mind bending as well as evil. It is the foundation of turning Human beings to suicide bombers and this is why it should not be allowed in a public space. Nobody has the right to threaten unbelievers of fairy tale with hell fire. Boko Haram is built on such. I urge you to have a rethink.
Then if you stole from somebody, settle with them and not leave them writhing in pain while you ask God for forgiveness. That would be evil.

Akure is not Ijesa but it was apparently Ijesa before Benin overran the place in the 16th century. They were driven back at Ikeji ile ijesa. Akure became big on its own overtime and even reduced Benin to tributary status at a point. Akure is Akure because they matured on their own and have independent history but they are closest to Ijesa as the royal title is of Ijesa origin. If not for the Benin incursion, they would have been an Ijesa town like Owena or Ipetu Ijesa. Then Akure land mass is small and their citizens excluding strangers on the land can not be more than one tenth of Ijesa population if up to that. Their indigenes can't be more than Ipetu Ijesa indigene in population if up to. It is just that Ipetu is not fortunate to be big. Akure is far from having more indigenes than Ijesa. Even Lagos does not, if not for the influx of people into Lagos. However Akure itself is now a big city but full of non indigenes similar to Osogbo. Osogbo became Oyo speaking when Ibadan drove back Ilorin jihadists from there but the royalty is Ijesa and they still have a lot of Ijesa identity in the town and all the surrounding towns are Ijesa in identity. In a Yoruba country, Ijesa state should border Ede with Osogbo as part of it as I don't see how else it can go. All of Otan Ayegbaju and other adjoining towns identify as Ijesa and are greeted as such but they are not among Ijesa 6 LGs. Osogbo monarchy is still more easily alignable with Ijesa than Akure because Akure has had a separate identity under Benin for centuries while Osogbo became Oyo speaking only recently in the 1840s. However Akure dialect is still more or less Ijesa. A big Ijesa state to capture all would be nice but while the Ataoja Osogbo will not dispute being omo Owa not different from Ogboni Ibokun, Ipole etc, the Deji of Akure may not totally agree but the first Deji was also a grandson of Owa Atakunmosa who reigned at Ilesa. The first Ataoja was born by an Owa that reigned at Ipole before the capital was moved to Ilesa. The Ijebu will most probably add their lands together in Ogun and Lagos and there is no reason Ijesa should not do the same. Osogbo and Akure are however not indigenous cities like Ilesa, Oyo, Ogbomosho etc. They are more like Lagos. A state comprising of Ilesa Osogbo and Akure would be a force to reckon with. Owa Obokun will be chairman traditional council while other kings receive money lesser than him according to how prosperous their domain is.

Ogbomosho is second largest after Ibadan and Abeokuta should be next after Ogbomosho who is next after that is what I am not sure of, it may be Ilorin but Ijesa as a whole is more than Ilorin

I think in 2020 Lagos registered 140k WAEC students, Kaduna 100k Oyo 70k and Kano 60k. That is the idea of the relative population. Check other data like GSM airtime loaded and other things that indicate population and you will notice the same pattern. Lagos is first followed by Kaduna then Oyo and Rivers before Kano

What Tinubu did is kick off the freedom of Lagos from federal allocations but obviously it was a fluke but still creditable to him. It started with landuse charges but now it is PAYE and they are not collecting up to 30 percent of what can be collected. The governor that shifted Lagos to be depended on PAYE has improved on what Tinubu did. LASG is employing 500k people and that is more than the FG. Any state that does same will catch up with Lagos in due course of time. Once again the contribution of Tinubu is that he did not chicken out as did other governors when Obasanjo directed them to cancel the newly created local governments by then. If no issue with Obasanjo I believe Lagos will still be depended on allocations

They are batch operations refineries unlike the standard flow process. It is the same way Biafra refined it's crude during the civil war. If Nigeria breaks up, they will continue with that until they are able to build a flow process refinery. They won't wait for oil from Lagos.

victory36:
Nigerian government. Remember operation'python dance'? A reasonable government would have called for referendum.

If Igbos, Yorubas, Ijaw, Hausa or Kanuri leaders want their land to leave Nigeria and they take the right steps then nobody in this modern world can stop them but if they have prisoner mentality then nobody will be able to help them

enemybulldozer:
The germany you used as a case study is an advanced country unlike nigeria talkless of lagos. People from other tribes has ruled lagos before including Igbos. The british started the development of lagos with mineral resources gotten from from the east and northern regions. And after the british gave nigeria independence, the nigerian state and nigerians took over from the british in developing lagos. These are already known facts Oga.

But the FCT was only a tiny part of Lagos owned by Aworis and the British used Lagos tax for Lagos not donations. Lagos became a British colony in 1861 when they helped a prince to ascend the throne of his ancestors but the demography of Lagos and traditional leadership did not change. They had a governor and an Oba and a legislative council comprising of Yorubas and Europeans. It does not make Lagos the property of Britain anymore than Nigeria is a property of Britain. It may only mean that Lagos was the first member of the British Commonwealth in Nigeria and others later joined. Only three of twenty LG in Lagos are in the former FCT. If you say Lagos was developed by the British then the whole of Nigeria was also developed by the British. Lagos was run with Lagos money with the British at the helms of affair. In the case of Nigeria, Nigeria only came to destroy Lagos, the 50 million dollars paid for the Lagos metro by Jakande is hanging till today. It is lost. 1984 money. So there is nothing at all that Lagos gained from Nigeria. Swell in population is because of Japa from other states and if the Osun government sits up, they will achieve the same results. People tend to follow money and organisation if no reason not to. Then can you mention what initiative that other non Yoruba Nigerians led in Lagos for the development to be credited to them?

Then Germany can be used as an example and any country can advance to their level in one decade with help from them or from others. South Korea did it, Singapore etc did it to advance to the same level, so what is the difference? Are Yoruba or Igbos not learned enough?

victory36:
you clearly don't understand what I meant and why are you against Igbos seceding? It's not like we have oil or anything Nigeria badly wants. Since Igbos don't seem interested in Nigeria and they never were, it's only logical to let them go for peace to reign. When the Soviet Union collapsed, the independent states fared much better than in the union and the region is much richer. Imagine if the Baltic states remained in ussr today or South Korea had been forced to be in union with the north or Singapore being stuck with Malaysia. They wouldn't have achieved as much as they have now. Colonial borders is one of the reasons why Africa has been evolving agonizingly slowly due to civil wars, unrest and oppression. Unity is no longer unity when it's been forced.

Well nobody can stop Igbos or anybody else from seceding. It is a case of former prisoners that refused to escape even as the prison door is wide open because of prisoner mentality. Who can stop Igbos?.

wirinet:
Thats not what the argument is about. The argument is about claims that certain people developed Lagos, and all these claims are fairly recent. First the igbos who started coming to Lagos at the end of the civil war, claimed they developed Lagos, then during elections we hear Tinubu developed Lagos, now Yorubas are claiming to develop Lagos.
People like me try to educate these groups that Lagos was just a tiny fishing settlement before the coming of the Portuguese. What attracted the Portuguese and British to choose Lagos as a trading port was not because they met a developed Yoruba settlement, but because of its natural harbours and lagoons that allowed them berth their ships very close to shore and navigate far inland through creeks and lagoons.

It does not matter. What I need you to agree with me on is that Lagos would have been better off if no Nigeria to drag it backwards and downwards. Lagos would have had a standard metroline in the 80s if not for Nigeria but the population pressure today is mainly because the LASG is the best organized state government and Lagos is the only state that does not need allocations to survive. They started with landuse charges but now majority of revenue is PAYE, private school teachers, supermarket workers, hotel workers all pay though they manipulate and pay only ten percent of what they should but they still pay. Imagine if Anambra should have the same policy. I mean hundreds of thousands of people will be captured and government will have funds to intervene in any sector of the economy etc etc

victory36:
My own chip on the matter is that ojukwu made a very big mistake in invading Lagos, a mistake similar to that of Hitler invading Soviet Union. It wasn't really necessary and only allowed Nigerian troops more space to advance into the south Eastern region.
Secondly, he could have brokered a peace deal with Nigerian authorities to allow the five Eastern states and portharcourt to secede since it seems the others weren't keen on separation.

It was not a Russian that was leading the German Wehrmacht nor was Moscow the capital of Germany neither were there many Germans formerly living in Russia. There was also no peace treaty between Western Nigeria and Biafra. They are therefore totally different scenarios and the only similarity is the miscalculation by both military leaders leading to a multi front war. Hitler too was more or less a military leader because dissent was not tolerated in Hitler's Germany.
Then wars don't end with treaties. Treaties are only signed to prevent or forestall war. The Igbos are still in full control of their land and can be able to develop it to a large extent by increasing IGR and their only challenge would be security, inflation and etc but like most other Nigerian states apart from Lagos, they have neglected to take that initiative