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Maximus69:
I agreed with you completely that there are many toxic theologies out there. But for you to know the one that's guiltless amongst them. You need to examine the aftermath of such teachings!

Jehovah's Witnesses have achieved what you desire and none of your so called cultural theologies have come any close to their achievement.

So it's clear that truthfully speaking you don't want the truth!

What is your truth? Jesus is the only begotten son of God and belief in his teaching is the only way to partake in God's eternal life?. I have to believe unintelligent things to be saved?. Your theology is wrong from the ground up and you have to leave your common sense to believe it. God wants us to use our intellect not abandon it.

Maximus69:
You're the funniest clown ever!

Just read the bolded and flash back at what you typed initially.

(1)"There is no God's word anywhere" Yet Ifa teaches, please how?

(2)"Your mind is not crooked" you think the world could be united as one Yet you don't want one single form of standard to guide us all!

(3)I can still be saved, Your theology says all of us are travellers traveling to and fro the earth and spirit realms until we reach Nirvana. Please if i may ask, from what exactly am i to be saved?

Over 8,500,000 adults from different nations of this politically divided world full of racism, formed one big happy family of peace loving worshipers. And you're saying "such teachings is a menace on our planet".
Well let's see the effectiveness of your Ifa on people from different lands, let Ifa make them drop harmful weapons capable of destroying lives, let Ifa unite them as one family and let Ifa present it's teaching that's efficacious enough to make you and it's worshipers/followers/ students good enough to reach the hearts of listeners.
Perhaps then your Ifa could come somewhere close to my Jesus of Nazareth, until then enjoy deceiving yourself!

There is philosophy in IFA and there is a lot to learn but it is not the word of God. You can still be saved from toxic theology. We have one standard which is be fair to all men in your dealings. No cultural theology is wrong so far there is no toxic belief therein.

OpenYourEyes1:
Empathy honestly never worked for me while I was an athiest. The mind of an atheist is pure evil. I even considered killing people who were fond of dumping refuse indiscriminately. I also considered killing rapists back then. I honestly thought that was the right thing to do. I hated lawbreakers with a passion and thought the only way to stop them was destroying or castrating them. I foolishly thought that breaking the law to fight law breakers should be justified.
Ever since I found JESUS I discovered better ways of solving problems without resorting to violence. No more depression, no more porn addiction, no more hate (I try my best by GOD grace), lust for women has completely disappeared,. Embrace JESUS and be set free like me.

Thank God you are no longer an atheist! You now need a better theology that does not divide human beings into believers and unbelievers. May God help you.

Maximus69:


So Ifa is what will unite humans globally?

And why not just concentrate on the one and only organization i'm presenting to you?

You're dodging the truth by bringing up false religious groups after i've presented the one and only group God is using to unite people as one to you!

Can you now see how crooked your mind is?

What IFA teaches is iwa Pele or gentle character, so far you have it, you are right with God. My mind is not crooked, rather you are the one who have lost your mind to heresy and blasphemous doctrines but you can still be saved. It is heart rending to think that children and impressionable folks are under the influence of bible teachers like you and others. Yes, IFA can unite the world and change here for the better but other cultural theologies must be propped up too.

Maximus69:
I've gotten your theology lawani!

(1) God exists but he doesn't need to communicate with his children, as in any form of written documents known as the word of God!
(2) Humans have always existed in the spirit realms before they started traveling to and fro the earth (reincarnation)
(3) Humans can't unite as one because of their different theologies about God, life and hereafter.
(4) Irreligious humans will one day form a united force and start hunting religious humans!
(5) All these cultural theologies are OK so far they don't claim to know it all!
(6) Buddha believe all these and taught his disciples to research on their own for more wisdom!
(7) Incarnates can't figure out how old or how many times their souls have been to and fro in the spirit realms!
( There is no benefit in all these theologies yet you can share it with others!
(9) Souls like Buddha have reach Nirvana so incarnates who haven't reach can worship Buddha and unknown others, but only Buddha and few others are recognized globally as souls that have reached Nirvana!
(10) So Worshipers Nirvanarians need not identify themselves since their forms of worship is not uniformed!

Well all these proved just one thing!

You don't want any form of principles guiding you so that everyone could choose how to live a good life from their own conscience!

Let me educate you!

People quarrel due to rifts and rifts comes up due to conflict in standards. If their is no form of standard/rule/principle to guide people, that's when conflicts arises and it's conflicts that leads to WARS (killings)

So with all your theologies there is nothing worth considering because it's not going to cure the plague for which you've been condemning religion!

Humans can unite as one under God despite different languages or theologies. We are all children of God. No written word, not even IFA verses can be described as word of God. That will be taking it too far!. God and our ori communicates with us via IFA divination. Religion that is Christianity and Islam divides us up into believers and unbelievers and that is the very beginning of wars and different kinds of animosities. You do not need religion to be a good human being, what you need for that is empathy, you don't even need theology.

God is the chief soul or chief imale and He is never incarnated. He rules over everything with the assistance of 200 imales on the right and 200 on the left. He is called the Agotun because He rules from Ogotun.

Maximus69:
Well i'm just responding to what you type, and you typed "your theology is sound"

I have no theology apart from what i learnt from Jehovah's Witnesses!

So lawani, stop deceiving yourself!

I have corrected it to convey what I mean. You can't prove that the theology of JW is the truth or that Jesus is the son of God. The Jews who are the authority on him do not believe in the virgin birth. To them, Jesus' bio father was a Roman soldier called Pantheras. Yet you say your teachings is the only way to eternal life!. Such needs to stop. I have my own theology which is the Yoruba traditional theology. Souls are ageless like God but we can also say they are young or old based on the number of incarnations. I support all other cultural theologies and I can learn from them. Whether you like it or not God will bring His peace on earth and all speaking ill of God by Christians and Muslims will come to a total end.

Maximus69:
It is finished! John 19:30

With the bolded, you've just condemned yourself!

My theology can't be sound when it's totally contrary to what you want. What you've just said could be rephrased as [b]"you're excellent in your teachings, if everyone on earth practice what you're saying, LOVE and PEACE will reign on this planet but I WON'T JUST ACCEPT IT"

Please Jesus admonished us not waste precious times with individuals like you, because you don't want to have anything to do with the light. You prefer DARKNESS! John 3:19

Thanks lawani, for spending your precious times with one of the Witnesses of JEHOVAH!

What I mean is that there is no human culture without theology and that theology is sound if it does not portray God as less than a gentleman. I don't mean that JW theology is sound. It is not.

Maximus69:
@bolded

You got it excellently!

The practice of claiming to know it all began when Jesus walked the earth, because he is the one and only human who knew everything possible to be known about God and life!

For your information, that's why he was called "the only begotten son of God"

If you're sincere in your heart that first century Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses are harmless preachers and teachers of LOVE and PEACE! Then it's time you stop condemning all religions because there is no tangible reason to support that notion except if you're advocating for lawlessness!

Some people called Jesus an atheist because he knew no other God but himself!. I do not see him as a role model. He came for Jews and by him, the salvation of non Jews is an after thought not something planned originally by God!. My own God has no special people and He is not a jealous God. He is Olodumare. Christianity and Islam claim to know it all and they issue threats against unbelievers, for this reason I condemn them.

Maximus69:
The problem with wicked people is trying to set standards for others when they're not ready to subject themselves to any form of standard!

We must stand on what we know and can prove to conviction anytime anywhere and before anyone. Sorry we are not like you who can't defend what you're saying with proofs.
Remember what you said initially "you don't need to believe (what i'm saying) just live a good life and you're OK with God"

But i can prove it that you're not OK with my own God if you refuse to accept Jesus as your role model!

You're here advocating for ban on what some people believe all because you feel they're responsible for most of the menace in our society. And you're also claiming you know God.

Please what is the benefit of your write-up if you can't direct people (who are religiously inclined) to the one and only form of religion that could bring about LOVE and PEACE amongst all those practicing it?

That is why we are Jehovah's Witnesses!

All your people hate us NOT because we're a menace in the society, in fact we're the world's most peace loving worshipers! You and your folks hate us because you don't want to be corrected in your filthy lifestyles yet you want to relate with us as children/worshipers of the same God.

That is what we're tactfully, calmly and respectfully saying "IT IS IMPOSSIBLE!"

I have told you the one and only standard which is be fair in all your dealings with all men. Theology varies like language and so far you are not saying God is discriminating against people because of their beliefs, then you are okay and Your theology is sound. We are all children of God.

Maximus69:
There is nothing holy in Wars!

Killing is Killing!

I can't speak for Muhammad, but going by what i have read about Jesus of Nazareth, he never raise a sword (weapon), he never taught his followers to kill and he even condemned one of them who wanted to fight to protect Jesus. Jesus even admonished his followers to let themselves be cheated or intimidate than fighting back to the point of killing someone! Matthew 5:38-48

Please lawani, is it fair?

If some hoodlums broke into a bank, kill security guards, rob everyone, rape females in the bank and by the end of the day mention you as their ringleader?

Most people are confused about the situation because you're not such a person, yet someone began broadcasting it on all social media that you're guilty since the hoodlums mention your name!

Well that's exactly what you're doing against Jesus now!

You are right that JW are like early Christians and they are not warlike but that does not make it right for them to be saying only Christ believers will enjoy eternal life. That is misrepresenting God. Why can't you believe God is not partisan?. God is not a christian or Muslim. He is not a JW. The practice of claiming to know it all is recent, it did not exist over 2000 years ago before Christianity.

Maximus69:
@lawani

Let me leave you with your fans for now!

I think i've done enough to prove to you that there is one big global happy family of peace loving worshipers who are connected to the all wise God, and they've gotten what it takes to convince any humble, sincere and honest hearted listener with the word of JEHOVAH (the Person who has all the attributes that qualifies him as Olodut'omoare)
Thanks for sharing your time on Nairaland(social media) with one of the Witnesses of JEHOVAH!

The only problem of JWs is that they insist those who do not believe Jesus Christ will not have eternal life. Even if they are morally upright!. It is not right to speak ill of God. God is not partisan. He does not belong to JW alone. God be with us all.

Maximus69:
That's not true!

Christians and Muslims weren't here when Sango(the third Alaafin of Oyo) forced all the Yorubas to be paying tributes under the Oyo empire!
Iyalode Efunsetan Aniwura behaved indecently by beheading her pregnant slaves in Ibadan!

Even the orientals can't say this because Christians and Muslims weren't there when they were using martial combat to kill themselves!

So people have always been killing one another before Christianity and Islam came!

But there were no holy wars like jihads and crusades. Christianity and Islam brought holy wars. Fighting a war for God starts with toxic beliefs like the one of JWs.

Maximus69:
Knowing it all belongs to Almighty God whom Yoruba called Olodut'omoare/Olodumare meaning the one who is all wise!

If you're a worshipers of that same God, then your power of reasoning should surpass that of all others (who aren't worshiping him). What could make someone else equal to you in wisdom is if that one is also a worshiper of Olodumare.

Well obviously you're not one of his worshipers, that's why you can't present a perfect form of principle that should govern all the children of Olodumare!

Moreover, the only way Olodumare can guide us all is by setting the same standards for us all, so that we have the same line of thought regarding right and wrong!

So don't be offended, lawani, you're in no way connected to Olodut'omoare, i can't agree that you're part of his children who have tapped part of his all wise counsel!

Olodumare has his minimum standard which is for us to be fair in our dealings with all men. Before Christianity and Islam, people lived with each other peaceably. No stress.

Maximus69:
What you failed to realize is that there can never be theology without religion!

Religion is synonymous with worship and worship must go along with theories in other words known as theology

Instead of dusting everything away as hopeless, you need to know that before anything is discovered as FAKE there must be the ORIGINAL somewhere!

Granted, there are thousands of false (fake) religion, but that doesn't implies you can't find the original if you're truthfully inquisitive to find it!

And the irony of it is that it's those practicing the original religion that are looking for you!

Your complaint about religion is as a result of the menace caused by popular religious groups in the past. That doesn't mean there can't be a religion that's guiltless with regard to all those accusations.

As i've told you, all of you are atheists apart from Jehovah's Witnesses. Because you're all nursing the idea of telling people what to do yet you're not ready to reason deeply with your audience.

Adam and Eve were the initiators of atheism. They want to become Gods for others by setting standards but they don't want to subject themselves to any (including the one they initiated themselves).
If you carefully examine your own ideology, you'll notice that you want to tell people what to do but you don't want a situation where certain rules will be set to monitor you along with other intelligent beings like you
Well that is ATHEISM!
No matter what humans plan to do as a global family will always end in chaos as long as there is no form of principles guiding us all as one.
That is where the worshipers of the true God have made a breakthrough!
Today Jehovah's Witnesses across the globe have succeeded in forming a big happy family of peace loving worshipers, unlike misinformed Churchgoers it's not the fear of hellfire that brought us together as a people but the love of righteousness which makes all of us subject ourselves to the same rules and principles hoping that when God intervene in the affairs of this earth he will grant us a permanent stay to live as youths forever!

So far you are not claiming to know it all and you are not portraying God as discriminating against people due to their beliefs, then your theology is sound and will be supported. I must add that only various sects of islam and christianity are guilty of this. May God continue to guide us.

Maximus69:
I have told you from the start that "Atheism will soon take over the world's political affairs and ban all religions on this planet" but "when that time comes, Jehovah's Witnesses will continue to preach and teach in our neighborhood about God's Kingdom" Philippians 1:27-28

For some time we will enjoy our freedom of speech, expression and worship until the former religionists turned atheists will come after us. That is when JEHOVAH (the true God of heaven) promised to destroy all enemies of God's Kingdom because it's like they are touching his eye balls by attacking his witnesses who are teaching interested individuals about his Kingdom! Psalms 105:15

As for the bolded in your post, we know that your god (the ruler of this world) is gradually gathering all his children to form an army and come after us even when we're peacefully and harmlessly going about declaring our message of peace and hope. {Revelations 16:13-16} but we're already aware of that so we are not afraid! 1John 5:19 compared to Revelations 12:17

What you fail to realise is that before religion there was theology and after religion there will be theology. Atheists won't take over the world, we are all children of God.

Maximus69:
You yourself said that there is no word of God anywhere.

If you're 100% sure of this, then you need not feel any threat about some harmless preachers claiming everlasting life can only be gotten through their teachings.

Please that's no threat! It's just a way of telling you "Our landlord will give you a quit notice if you fail to comply with his rules"

And since you don't agree that the God of Israel is the owner of this planet (landlord), how then do you feel threatened by whatever anyone say about him?

If you don't want to feel threatened by the teachings of any religious group, you must be fully equipped to convince yourself and others that it's a lie.

This feelings of threat could mean two things;

(1) You're living a wayward lifestyle and you don't want anyone/anything to worry your mind.

Or

(2) My posts are disturbing you somehow, you're afraid because it is sounding like truth! Hebrew 4:12

Any of these the case, then REPENT (change your mind about Christianity) today so that your mind could be at peace.
You can't stop people from speaking about their beliefs.
America is world power today and they've declared freedom of speech, expression and worship!

So you agree now that JW is like the rest of them propagating toxic beliefs about God. The children of God will rise up for God soon and you will have nowhere to hide.

Maximus69:
If Buddha asked you to make a research on your own, why is it that your conclusion coincides with his own Yet both Buddha and you can't defend your research with efficacy?

I can't speak for Muhammad, but Jesus cursed only rebellious Jews who claims to believe in the same God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob yet reject his written words! Jesus never cursed anyone who has nothing to do with his God!

He only made it clear that those who reject his counsel can never get everlasting life from his father, and that shouldn't be a cause for concern to you since you don't believe in his words!

You can't be allowed to be preaching that those who reject Jesus counsel will not have everlasting life. That is a threat.

Maximus69:
Wow!

That make you a genius!

It's just funny that most of your own race failed to use that same intellect, perhaps because they're too busy attending to other matters of much more importance to them!
And you that has used the so called God's given intellect can't competently teach others what your intellect revealed to you!

Theology is an ongoing science. Nobody should claim to know it all but unfortunately that is what various sects of Muslims and Christians do.

Maximus69:
Well billions across the globe believe God will torment people in hellfire forever for their disbelief. Perhaps all those billions aren't right thinking persons as you puts it!

Ironically, only few persons like you could be referred to as right thinking persons going by your assertion!

Hindus, Buddhists and traditionalists and those who do religion because of peer pressure are right thinking people.

Maximus69:
Buddha left his followers in confusion that's why they can't speak authoritatively like the followers of Christ!

Jesus Christ said (as recorded) "All powers in heaven and on earth has been given to me, so go and make disciples of people of all the nations" Matthew 28:18-19

Obviously Buddha knew very well that his teachings is not strong enough to beat all other ideologies, unlike Jesus who is so certain about his own teachings, that's why Buddha never utter such and his followers can't have that confidence to go and spread what they can't defend with efficacy!

Buddha said his people should not take his word for anything, that they should research very well to be better whereas Jesus and Mohammed placed a curse on any innovator!. Orunmila of IFA asked his people to research also. Religion is confusion!. You can't even put all Christians in same heaven or all Muslims. May God save us.

Maximus69:
How i wish this is true!

Because people spend their hard earn money, precious times and energy on religion. And here you're saying "they know that religion is false"!

Please can you tell me the instrument you used to read their hearts despite their glaring interest in religion?

If you say God is discriminating against people because of their beliefs, no right thinking person believes you. They know religion is FALSE!

Maximus69:
Of course that's common in all the cultures of the world, what i'm saying is "who are those that can provide adequate answers to thought provoking questions about reincarnation?"

For your information, i've been to Oriental nations and most of their teachings lacks substance. That's why i started asking you the questions i do ask them which often expose them as empty headed theologians of human ideologies!

You consider oriental theologians empty headed because they don't speak authoritatively like Christians and Muslims?.

Maximus69:
Well my own Master, Lord and King Jesus Christ is the greatest teacher of all times!

Wherever one of his students stands to defend what he taught us, there is no other power of intellect that can defeat what we say! Isaiah 54:17

Your lord and master was a first century, homeless, dissident Jew who was executed for blasphemy by the Jews like many before and after him. What makes him special?. If he lived nowadays, he would be staying in a psychiatry.

Maximus69:
Wow!

That make you a genius!

It's just funny that most of your own race failed to use that same intellect, perhaps because they're too busy attending to other matters of much more importance to them!
And you that has used the so called God's given intellect can't competently teach others what your intellect revealed to you!

Every right thinking human know that religion is false but they just let sleeping dogs lie.

@Maximus 69. On theology, I am a student, forever learning, nothing is cast in stone. I can't be talking with a know it all attitude like a religionist. I have to be humble. The little I know, I will disseminate with a caveat.

Maximus69:
The bolded!

Does that mean there are PRIESTS of your god/God here in Africa (apart from your Buddhist theory) who can teach your reincarnation theology effectively?

My mother is from Ifa background, and i was close to the Ifa priests. I never heard anything like reincarnation in all the things they do say!

So where can we find these so called PRIESTS in Yoruba land, and which of the numerous deities do you know that it's priest can competently teach the reincarnation theology?

Because i've got thought provoking questions to ask them!

There are several verses of the IFA oracle that talks about reincarnation. People are named Babatunde, Yetunde etc to reflect the belief that an ancestor has come again. Please make proper enquiries.

Maximus69:
@bolded

If you're sure that there is no word of God anywhere, then why are you talking about God?

I used my God given intellect to come to my conclusions about God and etc.

Maximus69:
OK it's like you trust(believe) Google, but i've spent several years of my life thoroughly studying and examining the Bible before i developed absolute trust(believe) in it as God's word!

So can you share your Google experience with me? Because i'm a Christian (preacher and teacher of God's word) and unlike your own theology which you can't competently defend with efficacy, i can prove before anyone that the Bible (God's word) is PERFECT!

I have defended my theology but you don't have to believe it to be saved. You just need to attend to your character and ensure balance. There is no word of God anywhere, all were written by men and it is full of errors. Just google what I said you should google. Thanks and God bless you.

Maximus69:
@lawani

There is nothing worth considering in any kind of theology if the deity you're worshiping can't answer life's most important questions!

You're condemning religion NOT because you don't believe in deities or worship of deities. What you count as evil is the senseless killings in the name of God/gods.

So to be liberal, you need to first dig out the cause of jealousy, anger, intimidation and other factors leading to hatred. Of course you can't do that if you don't know the reason
Why we are here?
What brought us here?
Why do we grow old, get sick and expire (die)?
Where are our dead loved ones?
Is this life all there is?

Satisfying answers to these questions will help in reaching the hearts of your listeners, most of whom often behave irrationally due to frustration as they have no clue about the purpose of life!

So can you attempt those thought provoking questions with wisdom from your own God/gods?
Because the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have spoken in volumes regarding all of these.

That's why most intellectuals who carefully studied his book (Bible) can't beat the feeling that this God is truthfully the Almighty Creator who made everything!

@Maximus69 Please type into google 'contradictions in the bible'. This is the age of the internet and ignorance is a choice.

Maximus69:
You didn't get my question!

Do souls have a beginning of life, so that there are young and old souls?

Who caused their birth and how?

I am not a priest and I am merely trying, God is the source of everything. We are all incarnates of irunmales from the great beyond. God is the king and chief irunmale who is never incarnated. He rules over all. It is not the birthday of a soul that makes it old but the number of incarnations. If you have learnt all the lessons you need to learn during incarnations, you then become apeere.