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Maximus69:
You didn't get my question!

Do souls have a beginning of life, so that there are young and old souls?

Who caused their birth and how?

I am not a priest and I am merely trying, God is the source of everything. We are all incarnates of irunmales from the great beyond. God is the king and chief irunmale who is never incarnated. He rules over all. It is not the birthday of a soul that makes it old but the number of incarnations. If you have learnt all the lessons you need to learn during incarnations, you then become apeere.

Maximus69:
Wow!

Sound nice!

Please how come they're young?

Are souls of different age, so that some are young while some are perhaps old?

Young souls have not reincarnated many times, so they are inexperienced and prone to mistakes while old souls have gone far on the journey towards perfection. We are all on that journey.

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmmm,
OK let's hear from your own theology, what is the end result of evil people who aren't willing to change?

My own God said "they will die naturally without having the chance to come back again, while those who lives by his rules will be allowed to continue living forever"

So let's hear your own theology!

They are young souls who are on the journey to perfection. They will continue reincarnating till they become perfect. We are all on the same journey.

Maximus69:
My own God has nothing to do with hellfire, that's the work of misinterpretations!

He threatens no one!

All he's saying is death is not part of his program, it was rebellion that brought it in so it will be removed. Isaiah 25:8
But when it is removed, only those who live by his rules will be allowed to continue living on earth FOREVER! Psalms 37:29

If you build a house, of course you'll have tenants living with you. You only quit stubborn tenants who won't abide by your rules because they're going to make your house uninhabitable for others living there. That's exactly what my God is saying.

Unlike your theology, humans have a lifespan and at death it ends there so death ends it all for those who won't live up to the standard laid down by my God, while obedient ones are given the antidote of aging and death so that they can live forever on earth! Revelations 21:1-4 compared to Proverbs 2:20-22

So my own God threatens no one!

If something is true you realise it from the inside out, that is unlike your theology, please stop threatening unbelievers of your theology with exclusion from eternal life. God is not partisan, he is the father of all.

[quote author=Maximus69 post=83152075][/quote]It is unethical to be threatening unbelievers of your strange theology with death. Please stop doing so. You are hurting me if you continue. The style of threatening unbelievers with death or hellfire started two thousand years ago with Christianity and the time has come to put an end to it. God is a gentleman and not a maniac.

@Maximus 69 You are not going to be allowed to be threatening unbelievers of your theology with death or hell fire. That is basic. You are not going to be allowed to portray God as an unreasonable person who has a special people. God is the father of all. You can only make people realise the truth, you can't ram your truth down their throats. Your manufactured truths. I am really sorry for you.

Maximus69:
Your response sounds nice but incomplete for some reasons!
(1)We are here to make both here and oneself better Whose plan is it that brought us here?

(2)Earth is market place while heaven is home. God and Ori brought us here People goes to market and they are aware of how they left their respective homes, so what is it that you are buying/selling in the market and can you remember how your home looks like?

(3)Incarnation is another case. Do all worshipers of your deities knew this? Or some who got the idea from Buddhist added it to their own beliefs?

(4)Our dead loved ones are on the other side the great beyond. Is there any evidence of this? Because i have lots of dead loved ones (even those that were murdered) and nothing has been heard of them after death!

(5)Irunmales or spirit beings! Can you prove this?if so can they help us or can we help them? Because this is a global idea until the Bible came to refute it!

(6) This life is not all there is, the great beyond where God rules is home. So the question comes back again! Must we all leave home for this market thing? What exactly are we all coming to buy/sell in the market? Can't few ones do the marketing just like we're used to in real life?

You don't have to believe if it does not make sense to you. Just live a good life according to your conscience and treat people as you would like to be treated and you are OK with God.

Maximus69:
@lawani

There is nothing worth considering in any kind of theology if the deity you're worshiping can't answer life's most important questions!

You're condemning religion NOT because you don't believe in deities or worship of deities. What you count as evil is the senseless killings in the name of God/gods.

So to be liberal, you need to first dig out the cause of jealousy, anger, intimidation and other factors leading to hatred. Of course you can't do that if you don't know the reason
Why we are here?
What brought us here?
Why do we grow old, get sick and expire (die)?
Where are our dead loved ones?
Is this life all there is?

Satisfying answers to these questions will help in reaching the hearts of your listeners, most of whom often behave irrationally due to frustration as they have no clue about the purpose of life!

So can you attempt those thought provoking questions with wisdom from your own God/gods?
Because the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have spoken in volumes regarding all of these.

That's why most intellectuals who carefully studied his book (Bible) can't beat the feeling that this God is truthfully the Almighty Creator who made everything!

We are here to make both here and oneself better. Earth is a market place while heaven is home. God and our ori brought us here. We grow old and die so as to continue the endless cycle of incarnation till we reach apeere which Buddhists call state of Nirvana. Our dead loved ones are on the other side, the great beyond. They are now irunmales or spirit beings. This life is not all there is, not even close, the great beyond where God rules is HOME.

Maximus69:
If that's true, then what led to the unending wars between Ife and Modakeke, Iran and Iraq, Israel and Palestine? Or what led the Ekitis , Ilorins, Ilesas, Egbas and the rest to wage wars against the Oyo empire?

My friend, it was demons all these people worshipped back then not the Almighty God!

The demons only played smart because they knew that the descendants of their worshipers will still hear of the God of Israel {the Almighty God}, so they made them think they're all worshiping that same God in different ways.
But yet they're giving their worshipers different norms Obatala, Ogun, Sango, Osun all tricked their worshipers that they're all worshipers of the Almighty Olodumare yet their rules totally contradicts one another!

We worship deities, nature, ancestors and etc not demons. Why would you worship the God of Israel if you are not suffering from inferiority complex? That God is not the almighty God at all because it is jealous and has its own special people. You can not claim to be worshipping the god of Israel because your theology does not allign with Judaism.

Revenue should be shared in the currency in which they are collected.

Maximus69:
The cultural theologies you're advocating didn't just come to existence by chance,Powerful spirit beings are behind them. And their motive was to get humans to worship each one of them!

Back then, this spirit beings set rules for their worshipers according to what each spirit being likes or dislikes. Each of them occupy a certain area, that's why people back then worship a certain deity in one locality whose rules and values differs from that of another locality.

Wars do occur back then when these spirits battle for dominance over a wide range of land, they instigate worshipers to fight for them and whoever looses his worshipers during the conflict will have to evacuate that area for the winner to carry on dominating as the more powerful deity.

So when you read the Bible and notice that God ordered his worshipers to exterminate unbelievers, it's due to dominance between God and those powerful spirits. That's why God usually do things that will help right thinking persons worshiping those lesser spirits {Exodus 8:16-19}to grasp that the most powerful spirit being {Supreme Being} is the one fighting for dominance now! Joshua 2:9-13 compared to Exodus 14:14-30

Today, those spirit beings have lost their position in heaven where they have lived all their lives {Revelations 12:7-12} and now they're angry more than ever knowing that it's getting to the time God will destroy them all. That's why you're seeing all these clashes in the name of religion on earth today!

So don't think that cultural theologies are of anything worthwhile, it's the same spirit beings that people were worshiping back then that have transformed themselves to form new religion {2Corinthians 11:14} they're no more fighting themselves for dominance again but instigating humans who don't have the knowledge of truth to kill one another! Revelations 6:4

Their intention now is to make sure that no flesh survive before God destroy them! Matthew 24:22

God bless you!

All cultures acknowledge the supreme being along with lesser deities. In Yoruba, it is Olodumare who is the same as Igbo's Chukwuabiama and Hausa Ubangiji and etc. It is all harmonious and we worship the lesser deities. All creation of God should be worshipped.

GeneralShepherd:
It is hard to argue to the contrary that religious people have caused unwanton death and destruction.

However, my question is do really that if the world had no religion, there will be an end to all wars and human oppression?

Surely even you can see, that human beings have a propensity for immense violence and cruelty as a result of our fallen nature (if you are religious) or evolution (if you are nonreligious)

My summary is religion is not the problem.

Without religion, there will be one less reason or basis for chaos, confusion, hatred and wars. We can embrace cultural theologies as we did in the past. Religion is not the only problem but it is a major problem.

Maximus69:
According to Genesis 2 account The wages of sin is death NOT eternal torment! Romans 6:23

Can you agree that God is not a maniac condemning people to death for unbelief?.

orunto27:
Wrong. It's a Fundamental Human Right. Thou shall worship no other god but Me is the Law that establishes Righteousness and Selfishness.

It will stop being a fundamental human right. It is not your right to portray God as a maniac burning unbelievers in hell.

peggywebbs:
That's where you're wrong. Over 2000 years ago there was religion. The whole earth thrives on religion. When I say religion I don't mean Christianity. People worshipped the sun,moon and stars. Carved up images and all.

There has been killings since the first man. There was even a time when it was kill or be killed. You can't even compare the crimes associated with money to religion. Religion is the least of the problems. Just close your eyes and imagine a killer on his knees praying.

It doesn't change the fact that he is a killer, it is not God that is the problem. It is us. The moment we start being accountable for our actions the better the world will be. When people are caught at crime scenes, you hear them say it's the devil that pushed them but in reality who has seen the devil, who has seen God. It is the killers hands with the blood on his hands not the doing of the deity's in the sky

Cultural theology is different from toxic religion. If you are not threatening unbelievers with hell fire, you are not a toxic religion. We need theology but not religion.

Maximus69:
Surely worthless theologies will rotten in the minds of those who refuse to accept the truth now! Proverbs 13:9

Jesus said "when that time comes all honest hearted observers will notice those whose theocratic assignment is divinely inspired" Matthew 5:14-16

Jehovah's Witnesses are already prepared to continue our work {John 4:34} even when the authorities stop all religious activities in public places like buildings, streets and buses! Read Matthew 12:19

Can you agree that God is not a maniac burning people in hell for unbelief? You have to change your theology if you want to continue your work.

peggywebbs:
I don't think religion is the cause of the problems of the world o. Psychophaths are just hiding under the guise of religion. Even if there was no religion, killings will still continue. Envy, Jealousy, Pride,Greed are the evil things things that occupy man's heart.

We should learn to take responsibility for our own actions. It is not God or dieties that commit these attrocities. It is human beings to human beings. Flesh against flesh.

You take away religion but the root cause will still be there, the wickedness of man

Surely, religion is not the only problem of humanity but it is a major problem of humanity, over 2000 years ago there was no toxic religion, so no jihads and crusades. We must return to cultural theologies and ban religions for peace and prosperity to reign.

Maximus69:
Of course when the atheists ban all religion they will not single out any as preferred, so all religion (including JWs) will be banned!

But when religions are banned by the last world rulers, they will confiscate all religious buildings to stop people from gathering to worship. Then the JWs whose faith is not tied to their Kingdom Halls will meet as smaller groups to continue their preaching and teaching work. By then all other religious groups would have surrendered because their faith is tied to buildings called Church and they only worship when they're seeing their religious leaders performing signs!

Jehovah's Witnesses preach and teach NOT the general misconception of "heaven is real, hell is real", but a unique message of which they can efficiently teach their listener to have the same line of thought with them!

There are theologies that do not threaten unbelievers with hell fire. Those will be retained. We are all children of God.

Maximus69:
Sensible Traditional Theologies!

Hmmmmmmmmmm, how i wish it works that way!

Well from the time of Abel till today religionists who are fanatical have spilled innocent blood of sincere and honest hearted believers! Luke 11:51

God is ready to avenge their blood and to ask from the hands of their executors! Genesis 4:10

That is why the interest in religion is fast disappearing amongst youths who are the active ones and many of them are becoming lawless! Matthew 24:12

This is the end time, and soon none religionists will soon dominate the world political scene and they will make rules to stop religion completely. That is what you're reading at Revelations 13:16-18

At that dreadful times things will become extremely difficult for those who wants to keep their faith going, only those who endured to the end will see God's Kingdom! Matthew 24:13

All hypocritical religious title chiefs will surrender and their followers will become totally confused, meanwhile there will remain the one and only true Christians that most people failed to recognize all these while! Jehovah's Witnesses will continue to preach and teach in all their neighborhood for people to know that there still remains one religious group that has not denounce their faith! Matthew 24:14

Then the hypocritical religious title chiefs and their former fanatical followers will become jealous of the JWs just as Cain did to Abel in the beginning, but God Almighty will intervene in behalf of his true worshippers! Psalms 105:15

Satan and all his demons who have been deceiving unbelievers will be arrested {Revelations 20:1-3} and all those who failed to recognize Jesus' brothers will be destroyed! Matthew 25:46

So Religion will soon be banned according to God's word {Revelations 17:15-18} but true Christians will continue to preach and teach since their own faith is not tied to buildings called Church. Satan, his demons and his human agents try to attack them. That's when God will order Jesus "Start ruling" {Psalms 110:2} and Jesus will kill all those who failed to recognize his true followers! Luke 19:27

zTheology is part of human culture like language but religion is bad theology. JW will be banned along with the rest of them.

tempem:
Seconded!!

Invest your time, money and energy.... We are at your back, bro.
Side point- Don't limit it online, go offline too..

Thank you for the encouragement. God bless you.

Congratulations

MelesZenawi:
So you want to turn Nigeria as an estate to Yorubas..

Because of on belongs to yorubas.

I want Nigeria to breakup into real viable nations and I believe in a one party theocracy.

Maximus69:
It will soon be, you only need to be patient.

God's word said it almost two thousand years ago, atheists will soon dominate the political scene. Then FALSE religion will be banned completely! Revelation 17:15-17

So watch out for the one and only true worship that will remain that time!

Atheist can not dominate when we have sensible traditional theologies all over. We are all God's children. He is our father.

ValentineMary:
Religion and faith based belief would die out with it. It has always happened in history.

May God make it so.

AustineE1:
even when it is clear that ogboni system can nt stand the test of time.

Before colonisation, the Ogboni system was successful in Yoruba land and very efficient, it is a one party system of government. Today, China is one party state and they are successful.

Namesake of my brother inlaw

RevDesm0ndJuju:
No. How they got there speaks volumes on the general state of insecurity

Ajayi Crowther was not returned back to yorubaland after he was rescued by the British but rather resettled in Freetown.


The yoruba presence in the new world wasn't by choice or voluntary migration.

in the 16th century, Brazil was ten percent free blacks excluding slaves

We need theology not the religions of Islam and Christianity.

Despite the court ruling?

Nigeria needs to be divided, it is not a nation. There is too much bitter completion between Yoruba, Hausa, Igbo etc. Then if the UN sponsors a treaty to restrict government to mainly income tax, everywhere will develop. Revenue or money is only as good as where it is gotten from.

lilwetdick:
How will a welfare state end xenophobia?

The UK and many western countries are welfare state, did it end racism?

in western nations, they don't attack foreigners because it is understood that they pay tax which goes towards funding social security allowances

lilwetdick:
A welfare state will cause more crimes and even make people more lazy, no incentive to work.

but it will end xenophobia.