₦airaland Forum

samuk:
I thought the Yoruba language is the adopted Oyo dialect that was standardised in the 20th century for all tribes within the Western region.

The dialect of Ekiti and other Yoruba tribes are not exactly the same as Oyo dialect that is now the standard Yoruba language.

If Yoruba is a modern day creation, a creation of the 20th century, how was it possible for Benin to be speaking a language that was only standardised in the 20th century in the 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th centuries.

Which of the various versions of the Yoruba dialect was Benin speaking during these early periods.

When these people speculate that Benin spoke Yoruba at some point in time, is Yoruba supposed to be an umbrella language that cover all dialects from Lagos to Anambra and Ikwerre in Rivers state?

Why didn't the Yoruba language or a dialect of it that you claimed Benin spoke reflects in the names of the various Oba, if these obas spoke Yoruba dialect as official language, why stop by just speaking the language without also bearing Yoruba names. Which of the Benin Obas that spoke Yoruba dialect has Yoruba name.

the Yoruba spoken in the Benin empire was the dialect in owo today. I know ewuare is Yoruba for danger will pass over and eweka is owomika meaning I can't handle it. A former oba was also named ogun. Many of the names have meanings in Yoruba.

TAO11:
No problem.

Even onitsha, ikwere, etc is still far.

Even right there in their capital of Benin Kingdom and inside the palace of Benin kingdom ... the language is Yoruba language.

you are right but in the 19th century or so, the edo from the suburbs overwhelmed the capital and Benin princes are now edo.

TAO11:
Another one below:

(1) Yoruba language was the Lingua Franca of Benin Kingdom

(2) Yoruba language was the language of the palace administration of Benin Kingdom.


cc: lawani, OgboAto

thank you ma'am, the problem I have is I don't know how to use my phone to post links. Benin was a proper Yoruba empire and the old language of onitsha, ikwerre, ogba land and other parts of the old empire was a Yoruba dialect like that of ugbodu in delta state

gregyboy:
Nigga talk with fact,

Ateast if you can't site articles bring something convincing or get lost


Everyone is not correct untill he proves himself correcr.........

I am not going to sit here and allow you to rewrite history. Benin was not an Edo empire but a Yoruba one where Yoruba not edo was lingua francs. The people of ugbodu in delta speak a Yoruba dialect and they migrated from Benin centuries ago. Your novel attempt to portray Benin as an Edo empire can not be allowed to stand. The language spoken throughout the empire was a Yoruba dialect, the type spoken in owo. You can start building your edo empire now but don't change the Benin empire to what it was not!. Are you trying to say edo was the lingual franca of the Benin empire?

samuk:
Earlier Itsekiris nobility that were exposed to western education were all Benin princes. The entire Itsekiris nobility including the monarch are all Benin descendants.

earlier Benin princes exposed to education were all Yoruba. The Benin palace was a big complex housing over 50 thousand people and Yoruba was their lingua franca. The edo people recently overwhelmed Benin from the suburbs.

Eblaze:
The Benin kingdom was never conquered

the benin kingdom was tributary at various times to the itsekiri, akure and Ibadan.

If you are enslaved, you pray to God for a good master not kill yourself. I

gregyboy:
Ok you have to prove it.....


You also have to prove benin have any connections with ife



If not run along

Do you know that agenebode is ago onibode is a Benin town with a Yoruba name?. So also ogotun. Benin kings were Yoruba people until recently when the edo people overwhelmed the town. The ugbodu people in delta state came from Benin and they are Yoruba's speaking olukunmi a Yoruba dialect today.

gregyboy:
And i said the third party yorubas will equate it as directly meaning king.....
I never said the word oba is not king in Yoruba

I also believe the word oba came to yoruba true benin influence over yoruba people

Unless you want to prove oromiyan existence in benin

Even some yorubas belived oromiyan didn't step in benin and that oromiyan was a warlord who had fought tethe people who overthrown Oduduwa

It is the other way round. the word oba came to Benin through Yoruba influence. The Benin empire didn't speak edo as lingua franca but Yoruba.

gregyboy:
Thank you....

I dont know the tribe you are from but you seem to want the truth and not necessarily afraid to say it the way it is, gone are the days the truth was hidden because of lack of information to the populace

I personally dont know the Yoruba story it would have helped me better in explaining the benin-ife myth



The truth is the closest neighbor to the benins were the yorubas followed by the igbos, the benin shores were surrounded by the yoruba people i would say yorubas make up some percentage of benin population


Again the title oba was an abbreviation of the full title omo n' oba( the shinny child) to a third party like the yorubas who dont know the etymology would easily equate it as simply meaning king

Omo n' oba(shinny child) was the original full title of the oba of benin it shouldn't be interpreted as
Meaning kings child by the yorubas,
Kings child in benin will be called ovioba
The benin title omo n' oba was a praise title
Which the full name is omo n' oba nedo ukwakpolopolo the word oba was later shortened by the Portuguese for easy pronunciation


The word oba was recently used from 1960 to adress the yoruba obas before this time no yoruba kings were adressed as oba

The issue is if the world for king was oba and the language of Yoruba emerged from ife like they say then the ooni should have been crowned oba and not ooni


Your quest should be did oromiyan really reach benin or was it the benin influence on yorubas thst brought this similarities between both party


Check my comment here


https://www.nairaland.com/5835965/prove-benin-ife-connection-archeological#89203443



Samuk
Davidnazee
Ghostwon
AreaFada2

Oba is the word for king in Yoruba language while Ogie is the Benin equivalent. Omonobanedo in yoruba means the child is king in edo in remembrance of when oranmiyan left his young son eweka to be oba in Benin. Your statement that oba usage started after 1960 in Yoruba land is totally wrong. Oba is a Yoruba word.

davidnazee:
I think that at a point in history, your ancestors were definetly running around naked too, but at no point in history were my ancestors conquered and subjugated like your ancestors were conquered for hundreds of years by my powerful naked ancestors..

Benin was tributary to akure, warri and Ibadan at various times.

MightySparrow:
Either is distorting history or not honest. Each of these kingdoms affected themselves at their peaks. I was doing a research this week on this matter how these kingdoms affected each other culturally. I discovered that Benin worship three principal gods: Ogun, Ifa, Olokun. and the name Oba for benin name for their monarch is not seemingly Benin word.
yet Lagos in Yorubaland has such name for their king. There seem to be no time yoruba invaded Benin kingdom but not same for yoruba as Lagos may not have similarities within Benin without a sort of conquest. Ikere in Ekiti has Ogoga as the titular name for their king following a raid of a benin man on the town.
Also, when Oranmiyan was going to revenge misson for the mistreatment of his grandfather, he didn't face benin but moved towards the north. The history of yoruba shows that Gogobiri and other tribe followed Oduduwa. Their is no evidence Benin has any blood relationship with these tribes. The study is in progres

thank you for the mention of oranmiyan moving towards the north when moving an army to avenge his grandpa. This was what led to the establishment of oyo when the bariba refused to let him pass on to mecca. That put paid to the ekharledian story.

davidnazee:
1. Benin Empire has no blood connection with Yoruba..

2. Please Ijesha and Ijebu did not achieve anything historically worth talking about.. If Ijebu and Ijesha achieved anything Yoruba won;t be bothering themselves with Benin that has continously rejected anything Yoruba..

3. Go an sleep.

how do u mean they have no blood connection? Isn't the same oduduwa their father? Isn't it the same Yoruba they spoke as lingua franca? Benin tried to subjugate Ijesa but failed. They shared boundaries, so Ijesa is great as well but smaller. I am Ijesa. Ibadan, the successor of oyo was greater than Benin in the 19th century when Benin had declined.

davidnazee:
Shut up.. Its only in your deluded mind that non existent documents exists..

It can not be gain said that Yoruba was the lingua franca of the Benin empire. Even today, ugbodu people in delta speak yoruba and they claim to have migrated from Benin. The long and short of it is that the Benin empire like her sister Yoruba states like Ijesa, Ijebu etc are Yoruba achievements in West Africa. I

davidnazee:
Ife greater than Benin Kingdom? You are a joker..
Benin Kingdom was the greatest and most powerful of all Kingdoms that existed in West Africa.. That is why Benin forever will be addressed as "Great Benin" Imperial Benin" Powerful Kingdom of Benin, Mighty Benin.. You don't hear that about any Yoruba Kingdoms and definetly not tiny village Ife.

Ife was not an empire but oyo was by far greater than Benin.

samuk:
Trust me our silent readers will be laughing at you right now.

Please humble us and prove your claims.

I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

Benin, Ife Ibinu was one of the numerous Yoruba speaking states in West Africa. Benin is second to oyo in empire building, we still have other Yoruba nation states like Ijesa, Ijebu and etc. Edo language was just one of the numerous vernacular spoken in the Benin empire. Official language was a Yoruba dialect. Benin empire was a sister empire to other Yoruba states.

samuk:
Where are all the Yoruba men here. This is becoming very embarrassing. Poor TAO11, she can't insult, copy and paste her way out of this, please guys, she needs your help come to her rescue.


I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

benin kings were Yoruba and were only addressed in the palace language which was Yoruba and like other Yorubas they saw Ife as the source. The Benin named their town Yoruba like agenebode which means ago onibode, the outpost of the sentry. However present Benin are no longer Yoruba. The Yoruba were overwhelmed by the edo who lived in the countryside. The palace now speaks edo.

davidnazee:
Mugu then I shouldn’t take you and your likes seriously when u come online to claim a fictitious Ife greatness.

For the Yoruba, Ife remains the source of human civilization.

Should we say officially we are not alone.

If you make income tax the main revenue source for government, it won't matter who is president. I

[quote author=dederocs post=88774828]NNPC refines finished pms and diesel.[/quotewhat they produce is not enough, we import the majority. ]

mechanics:
They said they will stop production, I meant what are we going to use for our generators and vehicles?

we sell crude oil but import refined products like pms and diesel. We are waiting for dangote refinery to reverse that.

mechanics:
What will the masses depend on if they stop production, they are joking.

less than 5 percent of the economy is oil, the remaining over 95 percent is what the masses depend on.

Nigeria can not develop while depending on oil money for sure.

Nigeria is not organised. Majority of the economy is informal, not paying tax. To be rich, we have to organise with our government depending on income tax like industrialized nations.

Trayceey:
well. If u say so. Sent you a pm

i hope you are not a scammer.

Congratulations!.

Support him with whatever you can during this lock down. People are hungry.

Long overdue

Nigeria has no business depending on oil money. Nigeria should depend on income taxes.

DaudaTheSexyGuy:
Total lockdown for extended periods is not suitable for Afrcan countries

it is not suitable for any country.

Why don't you continue on the path where you made the 8 million if it's legit? or was it a gift?.