₦airaland Forum

Nigeria is not a real nation. It is better off divided along ethnic lines. Then for any nation to develop, it's budget must be financed by income tax.

LabDNA:
If Nigerians are sensible, they should capture Oshiomhole and stone him to death for opposing and harrassing Okonjo Iweala when she advocated for build up reserves during her time as Minister of Finance who had foresight.

Oshiomhole protested against her and swore that money musr be shared. Today we are in the woods with a depleted foreign reserve. What lesson did we learn in the last recession? Nothing.

Monkeys and baboons who lack foresight like Oshiomhole should be banned from holding any political post ever again in the country.

Yes the money should be shared. Let everyone make their plan independently. We have no business depending on oil money. It should be taxes, with taxes income can not suddenly drop.

macof:
Smh. In what context is Lamurudu part of yoruba oral history?
What's his oriki? Where's his altar? Or what sort of evidence do you have that Lamurudu is part of yoruba traditions

He was not a direct son but descendant, yet the story you got Lamurudu from clearly puts oduduwa as a son of Lamurudu, king of mecca
What a load of bull

The name is inside Yoruba oral history as oduduwa's father. Not an orisa because the man intentionally dropped the name as a signature. I have not heard the version of the story saying lamurudu was king of mecca and if it exists I don't believe it. We were taught the story in school and there was no mention of King of mecca in the story.

kayfra:
Let me give you basic logic. Let's assume that Nimrod fable is true. One man called Oduduwa, a descendant of Nimrod, came to Ife and met indigenous people.

1. No evidence the man imposed his imported Egyptian language on the local folks, afterall it's one dude and probably his crew against many settlements
2. It's one Oduduwa out of plenty people. One DNA from Nimrod against African DNA
3. Zero proof in DNA analysis. Zero.

How does this change our origin not being indigenous to West Africa or our language some Afro Asiatic blend?

When something sounds ridiculous, it is probably ridiculous

Of course the DNA of a single man does not make much difference and he did not come from Egypt but probably somewhere in the Middle East. However, millions of Egyptians relocated to Yoruba land a few thousand years ago enough to change our vocabulary. However, Yoruba are west Africans.

kayfra:
Nope. It's one of the contemporary and alternate additions that came in the 20th century. Samuel Johnson documented it and related it to a Muhammedan timeline. Historical Nimrod (Genesis era) is way out of that timeline.

So it's a post contact with Abrahamic faith fairytale. Cool story though but not factual.

The man called himself a son of nimrod the same way a modern Yoruba will call himself a son of oduduwa. He was not a direct son but a descendant of nimrod. Lamurudu is not a recent addition, it is part of the oral history.

kayfra:
That's a big IF

The nimrod (Lamurudu) fable is a contemporary addition

The name sticks out like a sore thumb and it is not an orisa neither is it a recent addition.

kayfra:
Niger-Congo and Afro-Asiatic languages are very different. Any similarities you find are anecdotal at best or by recent trading influences from the 18th century and above.

All these linguistic gymnastics with little regard to time references on both sides are more of an exercise in creativity than substance. It's about time we drop this semitism by force bullshit.

if the man renamed oduduwa is from the Middle East because of the mention of nimrod, it does not mean the Yoruba are Semitic in origin. Not at all.

kayfra:
Still any origin tracing us to Israel is not only far fetched but dumb amidst the scientific evidence we all have. If you state the reverse, then yeah there were migrations out of Africa. But the origin of an indigenous people is not in far away middle east. We need to cut the unscientific bullshit

I am speaking based on DNA tests. Most Yoruba folks have like 3-4% Senegal and Mali. The bulk of it is from Nigeria all the way to ivory cost with some Cameroon and central Africa mix (less than 5%)

Yoruba is not from Israel but the language we speak is kemitic Egyptian which the Israelites spoke when they were slaves in Egypt.

kayfra:
I don't know where they got this defeatist and inferior idea that native people can't be great unless they somehow have semitic ties. It's the most ludicrous thing i have heard in my life. That's like saying that collective black IQ can't become civilized without the invisible Hebrew hand.

This thread is a disgrace

While Yoruba is West African, no group is an island. The ruling family in england is Norman French but the people are Celts. What the Yoruba are known for globally is the ifa oracle and that surely is West african.

kayfra:
The latest about that is the discovery that it is the yet to be identified ghost specie I alluded to.

The ghost specie proportion is fairly large and it is present mainly in sub-Saharan Africans. The neanderthal DNA in Yoruba is only a trace amount.

kayfra:
We weren't exposed to Neanderthals, rather we mixed with a yet to be identified specie currently referred to as a ghost specie

But as fat as homo sapiens are concerned. Africa is still the source till findings disprove that theory

I read somewhere that Yoruba have non zero neanderthal content.

kayfra:
That's the only theory that makes sense. Africa is the source

There are some human species among our ancestors like neanderthal that did not come from Africa

kayfra:
We don't have any Hebrew background, both imagined and contrived. Get that through your very thick but hollow skulls

if anybody comes from anybody, it should be Hebrews from Yoruba. This is year 10062 of the Yoruba calendar.

In Yoruba theology, everything created by Olodumare is to be worshipped.

Maximus69:
Are you heartily comfortable with the present rule which promotes FREEDOM of speech, expression and worship?

My friend, your attitude speaks louder than your words!

If persons like you have your way, you will not wait for your Allah to come and judge those who refuse to worship it, rather you will kill them so that they can go and continue being roasted alive in your imaginary hellfire!

You can continue lying but the intolerance and impatience in your attitude says it all.

Meanwhile lawani is not he but she, and she is the type who will dress without your hijab to cover her beautiful hairdo not dress like a black masquerade to please you or your imaginary Allah!

I am a man not a woman.

Maximus69:
Both of you can never agree on the subject, you want to discard Jesus as no prophet of God. He on the other hand BELIEVE Jesus is the prophet of God and to turn your belle he a strict advocate of Arabian prophet called Muhammad!

So if you're not ready to accept Muhammad the way he will present him to you, which of course i know you will never agree so you're just another nonentity to him!

I did not know he is a Muslim.

AntiChristian:
I don't believe that story!

I am interested in hearing the version you believe.

AntiChristian:
But did Jesus really ever called himself God?

he blasphemed which was why he was executed.

Mrbigman1:
What re u den saying indirectly oga?

The kind laff wey I dey laff u eh, people never think of am.

So that's the criteria of moving forward. Una wey don remove siting government, show me Paris look alike Gadamnit!!!!!

What will sustain your people is more important than who will govern your people.

And lemme tell you, same set of idiots will continue to rule unless the youths decided to change it.

Check all states currently under the hand of youths, are they not better off?

I won't mention states, check them your self.

what I mean is that Kano is more politically aware than others and will do better than most in a post Nigeria era

In the future, history will portray Jesus as what he was , a heretic Jew who equated himself to God. He was executed like many before and after him.

This is the paper I was telling you about.http://obamaandpeace..com/2010/03/oduduwa-and-yoruba-revolution-in-world.html

macof:
Obsession

KwaraRat:
The Emir is not a traditional authority but an Ethno-religious position.

An Emir in the Islamic sense, translates to leader of the Muslims.

In Nigeria, Fulani Muslims from certain Houses are the only ones qualified to be Emirs.

The emir of Ilorin is descended from Gambari that is Hausa and the emir of Borgu is Bariba.

If he is not ready to commit to marriage this year you should leave him.

I believe oduduwa was not a Yoruba man but was renamed oduduwa by Yorubas. He told the ife people he is a son of nimrod, so a middle eastern origin is plausible. Then the language we speak today is testimony that a large population of Egyptians mixed with us in the past just like a large population of Germanic people mixed with the celts to form the English people and language, English is a Germanic language. However the Yoruba are west Africans just the same way the English are Celtic. It is worth noting that the Hebrews spoke kemitic Egyptian during their four hundred years in Egypt before switching to their present language learned in Canaan.

macof:
Nobody can know this without evidence oga
Lets not water down what it means to "know" something
If you THINK Yoruba people ever spoke Kemitic Egyptian, that one is your own o but there's no evidence of that and I think study of yoruba language has gone so far that if Egyptian influence was over 50% like you say it should be obvious and very easy to highlight

And what you call Egyptian is not what he calls Hebrew. Both languages are two distinct languages not even in the same immediate language family

I don't know how to use this android phone to post links but you can search with keywords yorubic itsekiri Obama, you will find a work written by some itsekiri writers in 2010. I don't agree with all they say though but it serves to show the link between Yoruba and kemitic Egyptian.

macof:
that is not how historical linguistics work

Pidgin English can't be Niger-Congo because despite local words in pidgin, it's diachronic nature is simply not related to other Niger - Congo languages.
What you mean might be that pidgin English gets dropped after greatly influencing a Niger-Congo language

Take the Turkish language for example, it is a turkic language that the Turks adopted after a possible switch from a Farsi related language... Hence cognate words are found in Farsi and Turkish... A relic from the time before the Turks spoke Turkish
Another example is Norman French which when the Vikings switched to French retained some Norse words


So if Yoruba people ever spoke Egyptian/Kemetic, we must have switched to a different language
Same applies to those who think Yoruba language is semitic

Of course in all of this there's no evidence that Yoruba language even has any Kemitic or Semitic inheritance

I am surprised you don't know the Yoruba we speak is over 50% kemitic Egyptian by vocabulary. What I call kemitic Egyptian is what olu317 calls ancient Hebrew.

The Yoruba we speak today is over 50% kemitic Egyptian, yet it is classified as Niger Congo. The pidgin English spoken in Nigeria today maybe classified as Niger Congo in 2000 years.

How did you make the money at 25?. Just continue on that path and you will not be sorry if its legal.

The Yoruba we speak today is over 50% kemitic Egyptian. A word like suegbe is kemitic Egyptian. That was also the language spoken by the Hebrews in Egypt. Oduduwa described himself to IFE's as a son of lamurudu or nimrod so he probably came from the middle east

macof:
Irunmole - 400 Imole

400 Imole are present on earth, 400 in the heavens..there is also an extra one to make 801 but I'm unclear about that extra one... I have come across people claiming it is the Ooni, some claim it's Olodumare

Orunmila, Sango, Osun were humans, gifted individuals who were experts in their field. And every aspect of the natural world is run by the power of an Imole.

For example take Osanyin, He was the greatest healer of his time and of any known before him.. when he died people built a fellowship around his methods and he became an Orisha... now Osanyin or not, in yoruba culture there is a spirit behind healing, but this spirit lacks personality or any form of personification, the life and times of Osanyin becomes the personification of that Spirit

Olodumare rules in ogotun with 200 I males on the right and 200 on the left. Olodumare himself is an I male, he is one of them.

Romanoff:
Number 1 should be "North centric". 4 children per man, polygamy should only be allowed when a man has attained a certain financial status.

Na our number one problem be bthat. Them dey born like local fowl.

polygamy should be outlawed for both rich and poor.

Heathen777:
Religion should have no place in any modern civilized society. That is why there has to be a separation of the 'church' and 'state'... Laws should be based on humanistic values rather than religious sentiments.
Banning religion altogether may not be the way, as it is opposed to the idea of free speech and freedom of religion.
I do think however we should prohibit religious rites, display and practices, in public buildings like schools, offices as well as public & political gatherings.

there are only two religions that are a menace to human civilization and they are Christianity and Islam. They should be banned. Theocracy is the way to go when the theology is right.