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Olu317:
ONIOSA CONFIRM THE NAME AS ADUA RECENTLY IN AN INTERVIEW GRANTED OVER THE TUSSLE BETWEEN HIM AND THE OLUGBO. DO YOU KNOW THAT THE ODUA GROUP WORE ROBES AND LONG DRESSES IN THEIR TIME?. DO YOU KNOW YORUBA LANGUAGE IS SPOKEN IN NEARLY 30 COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD ? WHY LIMIT YORUBA RACE TO NIGERIA? READ HISTORY OF THEBES, EGYPT, ELAMITES, KISSITES ,ELEPHANTE,ASSYRIANS,BABYLONIANS ,MEGGIDO. give it a try

I AM MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN AVERAGE ON THESE ISSUES. THERE ARE TONS OF DATA TO MINE EVERYWHERE. I DONT REGURGITATE THE WORDS OF TITLED PEOPLE, TALK LESS OF SOMEONE WHO SAID JESUS IS HIS FATHER!.

Olu317:
are you sure?, History didn't tell us that. And I have never seen seen any of the referred kings bearing such name in the present day or in the ancient time apart from ologinolusegun@gmail.com Admilua that people called Odua. In Yoruba land, name has weight and describe the personal birth of the person or great exploit of such individual or family background of such personality etc . Kindly substantiate your point.

IF YOU HAVE HEARD WHERE THE WORD ADIMULA IS USED IN SONGS AND ETC, THE MEANING WILL BE CLEAR. THEY DONT ONLY SAY ADIMULA, THEY ADD OTHER THINGS LIKE ADIMU SE RERE, ADIMU GOKE AND ETC.

Olu317:
Agboniregun was orunmiela. And not a son to him. Once orunmiela's eulogy begins, he is referred as Baba Agboniregun. This has nothing to do with being a father of sort because, the ancient Yoruba word for Father was 'Ba'. Instead, it was used to address him as his other name. In the ancient times, nick name was part of a way to identify a person apart from the birth name was more feared if for instance, one's Nick name was associated with one form of dreaded word. Olofin Adimula was the name of the finest leader among them who was Odua. The name was not his name but Adimuela. Odua/Adua/JAddua was the place where his father was killed. And migration took place after the place was Destroyed. CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN WHERE THE EYES IS FROM USED BY THE OGBONI? AND HOW MANY KINGDOMS OF THE ANCIENT WORLD PRACTISED IT BEFORE ARRIVAL AT ILE IFE.

THE ALL SEEING EYE IS AN ILLUMINATI SYMBOL MEANING YOU ARE UNDER SURVEILLANCE! I THINK IT WAS OLUWA ALAKIJA THAT INTRODUCED IT. THE OGBONI DONT DO IKA BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE OLODUMARE WILL DEFINITELY GET TO HEAR OF IT AND WILL CONSEQUENTLY MESS THEM UP!

DONT MESS UP THE NAME ODUDUWA! IT SIMPLY MEANS THE ODU THAT CREATED CHARACTER OR IWA! OODUA IS SHORT OR CONTRACTED FORM! IT IS AN ORANGUN MEJI ODU OR OFUN MEJI ODU. WHAT IS THE ODU THAT CREATED VIOLENCE! THAT IS OSA MEJI. OSA MEJI LAKOJA! OSA MEJI THE FIRST AGGRESSOR!. YORUBA IS A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE FROM SEMITIC LANGUAGES. ODUDUWA IS NOT ADUA!.

Olu317:
Agboniregun was orunmiela. And not a son to him. Once orunmiela's eulogy begins, he is referred as Baba Agboniregun. This has nothing to do with being a father of sort because, the ancient Yoruba word for Father was 'Ba'. Instead, it was used to address him as his other name. In the ancient times, nick name was part of a way to identify a person apart from the birth name was more feared if for instance, one's Nick name was associated with one form of dreaded word. Olofin Adimula was the name of the finest leader among them who was Odua. The name was not his name but Adimuela. Odua/Adua/JAddua was the place where his father was killed. And migration took place after the place was Destroyed. CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN WHERE THE EYES IS FROM USED BY THE OGBONI? AND HOW MANY KINGDOMS OF THE ANCIENT WORLD PRACTISED IT BEFORE ARRIVAL AT ILE IFE.

THE MEANING OF ADIMULA IS ADIMULA! HOLD ON TO THIS PERSON AND YOU WILL PROSPER! THAT IS THE MEANING! THE ALAAFIN IS THE ADIMULA OYO, OWA OBOKUN IS THE ONE FOR IJESA, OWARANGUN AGA IS THE ONE FOR IGBOMINA. AWUJALE IS THE ONE FOR IJEBU AND ETC. THAT IS THE MEANING OF ADIMULA

Look at it this way, very soon we will be advanced enough to land on a habitable planet from Earth. People will go as a team and will maintain communication with the home planet. The first person to land would be Ogun, the most senior of the astronauts would be Obatala and when they settled down, their chief was Oduduwa while Obatala provided moral guidance as first Oluwo the head of the Ogboni that was supreme court over the government.

Oduduwa is anyone whose conduct cam never be faulted. He can always defend himself or herself. He does not need anyones forgivene. He wrongs no one. That was the first Olofin Ajala aye


Obatala is a father always clothed in white, the benevolent father. He chairs the commitee that is the Supreme court over the government


Ogun was the first to land. The Ashiwaju Imole. He is very intelligent. He is an innovator. He brings innovation for human advancement. He is a warrior. A no nonesense person and etc.


Orunmila is the Abanidamoran bi iyekan eni. Orunmila offers advise like a next of kin, as if the matter concerns him, as if he were you. He was a magician. He established a kind of IUPAC like nomenclature for magic with the 256 odus, he then started initiating people in the system. A system with many graduates today who are proficient in the magic aspect of theology.


So who landed on Earth first was Ogun, the most senior was Obatala, Orunmila was a priest with clerical duties while Oduduwa was the Olofin Ajala aye.

There are many empty courses been studied in universities, so why cant Awo orunmila be a university course? Why cant isegun ibile be a university course. You can specialise in Osanyin, Ayelala, and etc and become a priest if you can meet up with the strict requirements.

If Awo Orunmila is a university course, it will be common for people to drop out as not all will be able to meet up with the requirement.

A modern Awo Orunmila should be an A grade philosopher, a magician and etc, a counsellor, diviner and etc. You can add courses and that person should be proficient in Spanish and Portuguese as well.

Isegun ibile is native pharmacist. It is a body of knowhow passed down over thousands of years. It should be brushed up. The knowledge is not incompatible with modern methods. There should be Bachelor degree holders in it as well.

You cant throw away your inheritance. That is wrong!
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Pepe, Awo ile.
Otita, Awo ode
Alapandede lo kole tan
To korire sodo odo
Ko kanmi ko kanke
O wa kori re sodo odo
A difa fun Oyepoolu
Ti nse omo isoro nIfe
Eyi ti iya re o fi sile
Loun nikan soso lenjelenje
Oyepolu dagba tan
Ko mo ohun oro ile baba remo
Gbogbo ona re daru
O wa obirin ko ri
Ko si ri ile gbe
Ni o ba mu eji kun eeta
O gboko Alawo lo
Awon Awo re ba ni
Ohun oro ile ti ko se ni
Nda laamu
Pe ki o lo si oju awon baba nla re
Lo juba
Igba ti o se be tan
Ona re ba la
O nlaje
O lobinrin
O si lomo pelu
O ni be gege ni awon Awo oun wi
O lanu koto
Orin Awo lo bo si lenu
Pepe Awo ile
Otita Awo ode
Alapandede lo kole tan
To kori re sodo odo
Ko kanmi kanke
O wa kori re sodo odo
Gbogbo eyin isoro orun
E wa gboro yi se!


Dont let us be like the ALAPANDEDE!. value what your ancestors left you!.

Olu317:
So true but I have seen some practice Islam in a Christian way. I mentioned it because there are some people doing their daily routine prayers and seek peace with their neighbors. Although I am tempted to opined it was as a result of exposure and wisdom. Having opined this, I am so surprised at the manner ISIS, HEZBOLLAH, AL QAUEDA, AL SHABAB,BOKO HARAM are having a swell day despite all their numerous death. I just can't fathom how some people will choose to die for a cause that can even take the lives of their own families and friends without considering all these woes .Lately, it was even discovered that Many Boko Haram members caught couldn't even read Quran. I find it hard to comprehend. God will us.

NOTHING GOOD CAN EVER COME OUT OF A THEOLOGY SAYING ONE MAN IS SOMETHING OTHERS CAN NEVER BECOME! OR THAT SAYS 'DONT WORSHIP OTHER GODS', THAT THREATENS UNBELIEVERS WITH HELL FIRE AND ETC

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Padipadi:
Afonja's story of our he was killed was touching. But logically, he betrayed Aole. The issue with BTW them could v been resolved amicably.

NOBODY CAN SINGLE HANDEDLY REMOVE A YORUBA OBA BECAUSE THAT PERSON IS A HOUSE BOY OF THE OGBONI, IT WAS THE STATE APPARATUS THAT REMOVED AOLE NOT AFONJA. THE BASHORUN HEAD OF OYOMESI AND THE ONIKOYI WERE INVOLVED. IT WAS A CONSENSUS.

IF YORUBAS CONTINUE TO CALL AN AFONJA A TRAITOR, A MAN WHO DIED INSISTING THE POSITION OF ILORIN CHIEF IMAM MUST NOT BE HEREDITARY FOR ONLY FULANIS, THEN SUCH YORUBAS DONT DESERVE TO HAVE THE SOVEREIGNTY WHICH AFONJA DIED FOR.YOU DONT DESERVE THE SOVEREIGNTY AARE LATOSISA DIED FOR AND ETC. YOU NEED TOGO AND OFFER SACRIFICE TO LATE AARE AFONJA, AARE LATOSISA AND ETC!

THE WORD IS UNDOUBTEDLY ISLAMIC IN ORIGIN. IT CAME FROM SONGHAI TO DESCRIBE PEOPLE TO THE SOUTH THAT WOULD NOT SUBMIT TO ISLAM. THE NAME MEANS THUGS! SONGHAI WAS CONTEMPORARY OF THE MOORISH EMPIRE, THE MOORS HELD SW EUROPE WHICH THEY CALLED ANDALUSIA. THEY WERE DRIVEN BACK BY CHARLES OF THE HAMMER. THE REST OF EUROPE REJECTED ISLAM AND THE MOORS WERE LATER DRIVEN OUT OF SW EUROPE OR ANDALUSIA. ANDALUSIA FOR A LONG TIME WAS THE LIGHT OF EUROPE.


THE ANDALUSIANS CALLED NON MUSLIM LANDS TO THE NORTH EUROPE WHILE THE SONGHAI CALLED THE NON MUSLIM PEOPLE TO THE SOUTH YORUBA. CAN YOU SEE THE SIMILARITY? I BELIEVE NOW THAT IT IS THESAME NAME. SOMEONE POINTED IT OUT TO ME AND I HAVE RUMINATED OVER IT. I THINK IT IS THESAME NAME. THE NAME MEANS RELATIVELY ADVANCED PEOPLE WHO WOULD NOT SUBMIT TO ISLAM. THEY WERE SEEN AS THUGS BY BRAINWASHED MUSLIMS!. THE JAMAA.

OROSUNBOLB:
I bet you've never been to Ilorin and to think it is geographically located in the north is naivety of the highest order. It is a political fraud to classify Ilorin and even the whole of Kwara State as north central.

If you're coming to the southern part of Nigeria from the north, through Makera,Makwa and Jebba axis, the moment you cross the Jebba bridge,you will definitely observe a sharp contrast in topography. This means the moment you cross Jebba bridge into Kwara state,you're no longer in the north. Kwara and some parts of Kogi shouldn't be part of north central or whatever. It is a political fraud! All these anomalies shall be addressed in our NEW NIGERIA in no distant future.

Ilorin is North, Okun is North, Jebba is North, some Jebba towns of the 33 Jebba towns are in Niger state. Yoruba is the second largest ethnicity after Hausa in the North! I dont think any Hausa man is saying Ilorin is Hausa land, I think only a few adventurous Fulanis say that which really is funny. Only young adventurous Fulanis say that and such Fulanis are foreigners in Yoruba land.

Ilorin was a breakaway Yoruba state whose elite were mainly Muslims and the people not necessarily. It came into prominence under Aare Afonja. Iwo was briefly a Muslim state as well. Two or three Yoruba Fulani descendants were Emirs in Ilorin meaning chief priest, then Yoruba Hausa descendants also, however they are all Yorubas. To the North is Jebba a Yoruba state that is not compromised by Islam, Northeast is Bariba. People who just make noise here dont know Geography at all!.


When you say Fulbe jihad, that happened in Hausa land mainly, then some Nupe land. No Fulbe jihad in Bariba or any Yoruba territory, not even in Abuja of the Gwaris. Please stop making fools of yourselves! A Fulani man was made Emir does not amount to Fulbe jihad.


Ibadan was a revolutionary state with no hereditary monarch and Ilorin was tributary to Ibadan until the civil war broke out in 1877.

peacesamuel94:
So becoming a professor in the university is all that can be done with a PhD degree, really?
I only asked the question in other to find out why most PhD holders in Nigeria are usually above 40, and I initially assumed that the program will be between 1-2 years, which is why I asked just to get clarifications.

I have Other dreams bro, and becoming a PhD holder is just one of them albeit not before 30 anymore.

It is not about length of time but what problem is solved! If you write a thesis to solve some problem today, you become a PhD, even Nobel laureatte immediately! That is the academia! It is a sector to answer questions, to proffer answers and that is what academic thesis do!

[quote author=peacesamuel94 post=51916991]So becoming a professor in the university is all that can be done with a PhD degree, really?
I only asked the question in other to find out why most PhD holders in Nigeria are usually above 40, and I initially assumed that the program will be between 1-2 years, which is why I asked just to get clarifications.

I have Other dreams bro, and becoming a PhD holder is just one of them albeit not before 30 anymore.

GOOD THREAD! TO MOVE AHEAD, YOU RECOGNISE EFFORTS OF YOUR HEROES PAST, THOSE ARE PEOPLE LIKE AARE AFONJA AND AARE LATOSISA WHO WERE FOREMOST YORUBA NATIONALISTS WHO DIED AT THE POST OF PROTECTING YORUBA INTEGRITY. YOU DONT RECOGNISE AND PAY OBEISANCE TO THEM? DONT YOU CANT MOVE AHEAD! AFONJA DIED FOR SAYING THE POST OF ILORIN IMAM MUST NOT BE MADE HEREDITARY, HE WAS KILLED BY THE JAMAA OR BRAINWASHED MUSLIMS. AFONJA DID NOTHING WRONG AT ALL. HE WAS A PRINCE AND CONTESTED FOR THE ALAAFIN AND LOST, HE WAS COMPENSATED WITH A POST BENEATH HIM AS A PRINCE BUT HE TOOK IT. HE JOINED WITH OTHERS TO REMOVE ALAAFIN AOLE. IF AFONJA WAS ALAAFIN, OYO MAY NOT HAVE FALLEN BUT YOU PUT AN AOLE WHO SOLD HIS FRIEND INTO SLAVERY? THEN YOU ASKED FOR YOUR NATION TO FALL! AFONJA JOINED WITH OTHERS TO REMOVE THE ALAAFIN, THEN REFUSED TO RECOGNISE THE NEW ALAAFIN AS HE WASNT CONSULTED. THAT WAS NOT WRONG. HE DID NOT EVEN CONTEST THE SECOND TIME BUT HE WAS A STAKEHOLDER.

HE LOST HIS LIFE AT THE HANDS OF THE JAMAA AT ILORIN BUT THE JAMAA LET HIS FAMILY REMAIN, REBUILT HIS HOUSE AND TITLED HIS DESCENDANTS. QUITE REMARKABLE. SHOW ME AN EQUIVALENT ANYWHERE! AFONJA WAS A GREAT MAN! AND LATER THE JAMAA TOOK HIS ADVISE AND MADE THE EMIR POSITION NON HEREDITARY!


WHAT A GREAT MAN! HE MUST BE IMMORTALIZED.

IF YOU WRITE SOMETHING WORTH READING, THAT IS ACCEPTED FOR PUBLICATION IN REPUTABLE JOURNALS IN A PARTICULAR DISCIPLINE AND YOU HAVE LIKE 30 OF SUCH THESIS, YOU ARE A PHD ALREADY. SEE IT AS VOLUME AND QUALITY OF CONTRIBUTION TO HUMAN ADVANCEMENT AND NOT TITLE. I NEED TO TELL YOU THAT YOU CAN DO THIS BY ANALYSING DATA THAT IS ALREADY IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN, THEN PUBLISHING YOUR ANALYSIS. JUST PICK A RELEVANT PROBLEM TO SOLVE AND USE WIKIPEDIA, GOOGLE AND ETC AND COME UP WITH AN ORIGINAL ANALYSIS, THAT IS A THESIS, IF WELL RESEARCHED, ANALYSED, ARTICULATED AND WELL WRITTEN. YOU WILL INADVERTENTLY BE GIVEN A PROFESSORIAL SEAT IN HARVARD OR SO.


THAT IS HOW IT WORKS REALLY. HOWEVER, ANOTHER WAY IS TO DO YOUR MASTERS, BE TELEGUIDED BY SUPERVISORS, PAY SCHOOL FEES AND ETC. THAT IS A GOOD WAY TOO . IT IS THE CONVENTIONAL WAY.

omonnakoda:
I am an idiot? Because I do not see the world your way? Efin ni iwa. It does not take long to show your true colours. Good luck

YOU KNOW WHY I SAID YOU ARE AN IDIOT. IF YOU ARE NOT AN IDIOT, YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN WHY I USED THOSE EXAMPLES TO ILLUSTRATE THE POWER OF WORDS AND REPETITION AND SEEING IT, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE SAID MY MIND IS NOT ORGANISED. I DONT PULL PUNCHES, WHOEVER YOU ARE WORKING FOR AMONG MY DETRACTORS TRAILING ME ON SOCIAL MEDIA BE IT ADEBOYE OF RCCG, KUMUYI, OYEDEPO OR THE IGBO POLITICIAN SETTING PEOPLE AGAINST ME, I WILL ATTACK YOU RIGHT BACK WHEN YOU BECOME BELLIGERENT AND YOU WILL NOT GO BACK IN ONE PIECE.

ODVanguard:
Guy, you and omonnakoda don't disturb yourself. Thank God that we now have other reliable sources of data that can atleast give a ballpark estimate of the true population distribution in this country. According to NBS data on number of registered phones and internet subscribers and lines here the SW trumps the SE by more than double sef.

Oyo and Ogun subscriber numbers alone (16,074,479) swallowed up the entire five states in the SE (15,275,981), according to the data therein. That doesn't even include Osun, Ondo, Ekiti, or Kwara/Kogi o. Not to even mention Lagos at all. That explains why the SW attracts the most FDI and attention from smart investors coz we have the population. Even the SS is a more viable region than the SE. They are just good at making useless noises.

www.nairaland.com/3114368/nigerian-states-number-registered-phone

Active Voice Lines
Breakdown By States and Regions

1* LAGOS - 19,046,657
2* OGUN - 8,535,893
3* KANO - 7,811,290
4* OYO - 7,538,586
5* KADUNA - 6,787,117

6* F.C.T - 6,034,907
7* RIVERS - 5,849,535
8* NIGER - 5,137,400
9* DELTA - 4,934,551
10* EDO - 4,744,110

11* ANAMBRA - 4,249,792
12* BENUE - 3,812,334
13* OSUN - 3,708,809
14* ONDO - 3,473,437
15* KATSINA - 3,449,189

16* KWARA - 3,334,543
17* IMO - 3,315,208
18* NASSARAWA - 3,261,964
19* ABIA - 3,177,965
20* AKWA IBOM - 3,116,758

21* ENUGU - 3,096,071
22* PLATEAU - 3,026,409
23* KOGI - 3,004,325
24* BAUCHI - 2,747,326
25* ADAMAWA - 2,723,955

26* BORNO - 2,406,151
27* SOKOTO - 2,248,306
28* CROSS RIVER - 2,198,942
29* KEBBI - 2,050,089
30* TARABA - 2,021,112

31* JIGAWA - 1,820,249
32* GOMBE - 1,815,166
33* ZAMFARA - 1,678,476
34* EBONYI - 1,436,945
35* EKITI - 1,425,945
36* YOBE - 1,402,357

** OTHERS (UNIDENTIFIED) - 1,213,511
37* BAYELSA - 1,110,084

Total Nigerian Active Voice Lines: 148,745,464

REGIONS:
South West = 43,729,327 Active Voice Lines (29.40%)
South South = 21,953,980 Active Voice Lines (14.76%)
South East = 15,275,981 Active Voice Lines (10.27%)

North West = 25,844,716 Active Voice Lines (17.37%)
North Central = 21,576,975 Active Voice Lines (14.50%)
North East = 13,116,067 Active Voice Lines (8.80%)

F.C.T = 6,034,907 Active Voice Lines (4.05%)

THOSE ARE RAW RELIABLE DATA NOT SOME NIGERIAN CENSUS FIGURES. A WHILE BACK I SAW WAEC REGISTRANT FIGURES FOR 2014 OR SO AND KADUNA WAS NEXT TO LAGOS! I WILL DIG UP THE TABLE AGAIN. THE COUNTRY IS A TOTAL MESS! THAT WAEC FIGURES SHOW SW AS A CLEAR DOUBLE OF SE IN POPULATION JUST LIKE THIS REGISTERED GSM LINES. NIGERIA ISNT A COUNTRY. IT IS A SCAM. A TOTAL RUBBISH.


THIS IS THE RAW WAEC REGISTRATION FIGURES FOR 2014

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omonnakoda:
THis thread is not about twins .You need to organize your mind and focus on one thing at a time Don't allow anyone drag you here and there. Focus

YOU ARE AN IDIOT. I THOUGHT ORIGINALLY THAT YOU ARE A RESPONSIBLE PERSON, HENCE MY ADVISE ON HOW YOU SHOULD BE HANDLING DEBATES. WORDS HAVE POWER IS THE MESSAGE. WORDS ARE POWERFUL. SO FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, NEVER SAY A FALSITY SHOULD NOT BE EXPOSED BECAUSE YOU THINK IT IS INCONSEQUENTIAL. I MIGHT PLACE A CURSE ON YOU AND IT WILL STICK LIKE A STICKER WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE USING A FAKE MONIKER.

omonnakoda:
I prefer to avoid an argument that will not end so for me, yes Igbos are the most in the World even more than Chinese, It does not matter as far as state creation is concerned

WHY DO YORUBAS HAVE HIGHEST TWINNING RATE? BECAUSE THEY KEEP PRAISING TWINS! THEY DEIFY TWINS? WHY DO WE HAVE CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM TODAY? BECAUSE OF REPETITION OF INSANE WORDS GENERATION UPON GENERATION!. THERE IS POWER IN WORDS, IF THEY KEEP TALKING RUBBISH AND YOU LET IT PASS, IT WILL SOONER THAN LATER BECOME THE REALITY!. IT IS OUR DUTY AS RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE TO ATTACK SUCH ANYWHERE IT IS FOUND. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT! COUNTER THEM WITH FACTS AND FIGURES UNTIL IT SINKS INTO THEM.

omonnakoda:
Once again, with respect, all of that is interesting but not relevant. If There are 50 million Igbos and only 2 million live in Igboland State creation would be based on those that live in Igboland.

Those who live elsewhere are accounted for in the budgetary planning of wherever they reside. There are millions of Nigerians abroad and they do not consume services in Nigeria they are part of the population of whichever country they live in

YOU ARE RIGHT BUT LOOK AROUND SW, NOWHERE ARE IGBOS MORE THAN HAUSAS ONLY THAT IGBOS ARE MORE INTEGRATED THAN HAUSAS, THEN WE HAVE OTHERS. SO DONT PATRONISE THAT IDEA THAT IGBOS ARE MORE SPREAD. PERCENTAGE OF YORUBAS IN PH MAY SURPASS IGBOS IN LAGOS. SO DONT PATRONISE THE IDEA THAT ONLY IGBOS STAY OUTSIDE THEIR LAND THEN EVERYBODY HAVE THEIR STYLE. HOWEVER, THINK HOME FIRST, WHAT YOU INVEST OUTSIDE BELONG TO THAT LAND, YOU ARE MANAGING FOR THEM. ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT!.

IGBOS ARE NOT MORE THAN HAUSA IN YORUBA LAND, I DONT KNOW WHO IS MORE. THEY MAY NOT EVEN BE MAKING MONEY UP TO HAUSAS IN YORUBA LAND IF YOU CHECK, ALWAYS REMIND IGBOS OF THAT. THEN THEY SHOULD CHECK WHAT OTHERS LIKE YORUBA, HAUSAS ETC ARE MAKING IN THE SE. IF YOU HAVE LAND, THANK GOD FOR THAT LAND, THEN GO AND DEVELOP IT!.

omonnakoda:
Even if they are more it is not relevant. States are based on the number of people that live there. We might as well start counting Igbos in Indonesian Jails we know they are in the millions there. But states are based on the resource and infrastructure needs of residents not indigenes in Malaysian jails

BACK IN OAU, I MET MANY YORUBAS WHO GREW UP IN THE EAST, ENUGU, ABA, PH AND ETC, THEY SPEAK IGBO. A WHILE BACK, AN IGBO WOMAN TOLD ME HALF ENUGU CITY IS HAUSA, THEY TALK AS IF ONLY IGBOS ARE IN THE SE!. SW HERE IS OVER 85 PERCENT YORUBA IN POPULATION. EVEN IF SE IS 90 PERCENT IGBO, THEY SHOULD WEIGH IT AGAINST EACH OTHER. NC IS MORE THAN SE IN EVERYTHING AND YORUBA IS LIKE 30 PERCENT THERE. THERE ARE STILL YORUBAS IN EDO AND ITSEKIRI, ILAJE IN DELTA, SO HOW CAN IT BE POSSIBLE FOR IGBOS TO SURPASS YORUBA EVEN MINUS ITSEKIRI IN NIGERIA? I REALLY WANT THERE TO BE A PROPER DATA BASE. IT IS REALLY A SHAME THAT SUCH IS BEING DEBATED!.

ShootToKill:
Mr yorluba, you are deceiving yourself. You always cry about Igbos being emotional when in reality you are the crying everytime when Igbos pay you back in your coin as doing in ever InterNational politics (yes Igbo and yoruba of different nations, so I can use that word). Tit-for-tat is diplomatic tool used by even Americans and Russians so stop lamenting about emotions. I am a realist.

Secondly, Igbo are unarguably the most populated tribe in the south if not in Nigeria. It is not commonsensical to say that a people who are second majority (after the indigenes) in 31 states outside their home states are not the majority. So keep your nonsensical statistics, we both know you are not more populated than the Igbos.
The truth is that there is an unprecedent political reawakening in the East, and your role in stemming development in the East is well documented, starting from Awolowo's 20 pound policy, and diversion of funds meant for post-war reconstrustion (RRR) of the East to you insatiables lots in oduduwaland as minister of finance. We built our land from the scratch and we have the right to be proud of our achievement regardless of your emotions.

BROS I LIVE IN THE SW HERE, UNLESS YOU DO A HEADCOUNT, YOU CAN NEVER SAY FOR CERTAIN WHO IS MORE HERE BETWEEN IGBOS AND HAUSA! STOP DELUDING YOURSELF! AN ARAB MAN FROM MAIDUGURI TOLD ME, YORUBA SURPASS IGBOS IN THAT CITY! HOW CAN IGBOS BE MORE THAN YORUBA IN NIGERIA? UNLESS YOU COUNT, I CANT ACCEPT FROM YOU THAT IGBOS SURPASS YORUBA IN ANY NON IGBO CITY ANYWHERE ON EARTH. DONT BE PLUCKING NUMBERS FROM THIN AIR. YOUR SE HAS MILLIONS OF NON IGBOS LIVING THERE.

WHY CAMEROUNIAN PORTS ARE NOT AS BUSY AS PORTS IN BENIN REPUBLIC IS SAME REASON LAGOS PORTS ARE BUSIER THAN PH, CALABAR AND ETC! FOR ONE, THE IMPORTS COME FROM EUROPE AND NORTH AMERICA AND THOSE PLACES ARE CLOSESR, THEN CONSIDER THAT MORE THAN HALF OF CARS FOR INSTANCE ARE CONSUMED NEAR LAGOS! HOWEVER IF YOU ARE EXPORTING IGBO PALM OIL, IT WOULD BE CHEAPER TO DO SO FROM CALABAR AND PH BECAUSE THE PRODUCTION IS DONE CLOSE BY AND IT WILL REDUCE COSTS TO EXPORT FROM THOSE PORTS. BUSINESS MEN DO CALCULATIONS! IF YOU ARE BRINGING SOMETHING FROM EUROPE OR NORTH AMERICA, BEST POINTS OF FREIGHT DISCHARGE ARE LAGOS AND COTONOU, IT WONT BE ECONOMICAL TO GO TOWARDS CAMEROON. CHECK IT YOURSELF.

ololufemi:
Good job Mr Williams but some of us know that you are the son-in-law to Chief, General, President Olusegun Okikiola Obasanjo GCFR. Technically, the farm may belong to your father-in-law. The great Ebora of Owu and the larger than life President of Nigeria.

At least you are making your impact but it is advisable you do it stealthily.

However, I salute your courage and determination.

President Obasanjo himself is not producing that much rice! Give kudos to someone heading a 600 member workforce while not missing salaries!

omonnakoda:
If you want to debate how to make Nigeria work I am at home. Lagos like London is a gateway to the country.

Let us pause and think for a moment bout alternatives in Nigeria

I do not think there re many on cultural grounds.What do I mean? I mean the acceptance and freedom given to non natives. That is the real strength of Lagos. What we need to do is allow others to feel at hoe in Lagos which I advocate. If you are prepared to learn Yoruba no matter where you come from you can govern Lagos.

If Lagos was not totally surrounded by Yoruba states I would argue otherwise but it is so respect that and make your millions. More money going into Lagos is good for every body. There are no Yoruba enclaves in Lagos and one day we will have a No Yoruba Governor but he must speak Yoruba let others emulate that

I believe Igbos can make a Yoruba that has being Igbonized a governor in their place since Yorubas dont spew hatred against Igbos, so Igbos have nothing to fear from Yorubas and Yorubas are not saying Igbo land is a no man's land but would you subscribe to making an Igbo man governor in a Yoruba state giving the level of animosity and belligerency displayed by Igbos against Yorubas? I would say that would be risky! There was a time an Igbo man was made OAU Students' Union President and he had to be attacked by students when he refused to support pro MKO Abiola rallies!. So, you need to be careful.

Fremancipation:
Thank you. I don't know why people wont just accept the plain truth. Benin republic have indigenous yorubas living there mostly in the southern part yet they couldn't replicate Lagos. Ogun and ondo state has access to the ocean but they couldn't build or replicate lagos on their own. But this people always use lagos to brag as if it is their own making.

Nigeria built port in Lagos, so what? Cotonou is handling as much freight if not more and can you compare Cotonou to Ogbomosho or Ibadan, Kano, Zaria, PH?. Without Nigeria, Lagos will be ten times better off! Cant you see that? Better infrastructure, no mile 12 clashes and no people calling the place a no man's land!.

A fi o joba, o tun nse oogun awure!
Se o fe di Olodumare ni?
A difa fun Lagos ti o nbeere special status!


That Lagos will go to Abuja to ask for special status is clear evidence of wrong priority of the leadership. You already have everything and some people are saying already that you are no man's land only for you to go and request for special status! That is really sad!. Lagos island is Awori land and Aworis need to rise up and insist their land must never be given special status by Nigeria. Break up Nigeria and return people's land to them.

WHAT IGBOS DO IN OTHER PLACES IS MAINLY PETTY BUYING AND SELLING. IT IS RUBBISH COMPARED WITH WHAT THEY CAN DO IN AN IGBO COUNTRY IF THEY ACTUALLY CONTROL THE ECONOMY. YOU GET WHAT YOU COMPLAIN OF AUTOMATICALLY BUT IF YOU REFUSE WHILE THINKING YOU MUST BE LAGOS OR KANO GOVERNOR, THEN YOU ARE ON A LONG THING O!. YOU CAN ONLY CONTROL YOUR LAND! ANY IGBO MAN HOLDING POST IN HAUSA LAND IS THEIR SERVANT THERE! SAME APPLIES TO OTHERS LIKE YORUBA AND ETC, URHOBO, IGALA. SEEK TO CONTROL YOUR ANCESTRAL LANDS!.

Ugosample:
Rwanda and Burundi has Hutu and Tutsi and yet could not stand each other.
South Sudan is a mess today even after separation.
Eritrea left Ethopia yet where are they today?

The root cause of Nigeria's problem has always been greed from those who led us.

With the enormous resources at our disposal, if the leaders have developed the country and majority of the people had what to eat and what to do, do you think anyone will be talking about secession?

what about inter ethnic clashes? Killing people on their own ancestral land by foreigners? How do you solve that? What about disappearing languages and cultures? What about national id?