₦airaland Forum

OPCNAIRALAND:
Could this just be a theory, or is there a convincing markers that you can inject to make it factual and conclusively historical?

OPCNAIRALAND:
You are very thorough and enlightened. The difference I see between your approach to lawani is that you are conservative and he is liberal.

Place-names are part of the culture and we must not treat it with liberal attitude leaving interpretation open for anybody to assign meaning and identity.

I wonder if Yorubas have a place-name index on record. It will be good idea to do so.

igbodefender:
Scholars should do more DISPASSIONATE research on Igbo places like Ugbodu, Onitsha (Orissa) Ugbo, Ugbokko Araba, Ogba, Egbeda, all in the Igbo speaking areas of Nigeria (Igboland). What are their mysterious linkages to their present day Yoruba namesakes? For instance, why is their Ogba in both Lagos (Eko) and in the Igweocha (Port Harcourt) area of Rivers State?

OPCNAIRALAND:
No, not quite.

I just left another thread on discussion about Oworo and I put a contribution there about Lokoja.

No one of those who claim ownership in the town has been able to tell us what Lokoja means.

The lack of knowledge in the meaning of Lokoja arises because of colonial presence and administration of the town.

Same problen resulted in Oshodi (expressway in mainland) in Lagos.

I have seen this same problem with names. Descendants of slaves in Brazil named DoSimone and Cosoko. These are authentic African names. DoSimone is corrupted from Dosunmu and Cosoko from Kosoko.

In the rivalry war between brothers in the House of Ologun Kutere, the captives of war sold to Portuguese ended in Brazil and in display of die hard loyalty to their Lords kept the names for branding of personal pride.

As people settle places names and identities change and evolve. However the origin and root never loose its meaning. The meaning is singular, while the pronounciation, spelling may be in many formats and plural.



There is all kind of manners to ascribe meanings to thoughts and terms which form in our minds. If each individual followed the free flow then we will loose value in ethnicity itself. I say this because the strongest differentiator of ethnic grouping is tongue. Even when tongue changes sometimes the word sustains as a historical phenomenon.

bigfrancis21:
Ah bros where do you manufacture your own information from? I've noticed this desire by many people like to to rewrite history to make yourself seem great. Alakija was a Nigerian of Aguda/Amaro ascent. History doesn't say he was born in Bahia. Please everyone here has access to the internet.

Even wikipedia describes him as a Nigerian lawyer, not a bahian one.

OPCNAIRALAND:
If all are rooted to Ife by ancestry, shouldn't Ijo carry same meaning, whether its in Ijesha, Ijebu, Ijero or anywhere else? The Onikoyi at the coast does not differ to the Onikoyi of the hinterland. Maintaining a liberal approach for political correctness will soon lead to such towns with Ado prefix gaining independent and diverse meanings and lead to autonomy, which will be at counter purpose with the sacredness and function of the hereditary stool for each itedo.

cuminside:
You didn't answer my question. How will Nigeria be affected when all Afonjas sit at home for one week. Stop glorying on others, I need yours please

What the Bini hinge their argument on is simply the rendition of names.

We need to remind them that names such as Oduduwa and Oranmiyan were nicknames and not actual names.

Oduduwa is a fusion of Odu to da Iwa. The vessel that brought creation/existence. The 'oduduwa' ife king, got called the name because he was the vessel through which Ife confederacy was ended.

Oduduwa is in no way Izoduwa or whatever con you folks come up with. The actual Oduduwa was in Ife's creation history and the name was extended to the human king who ushered in a new era of political unification in Ife.

I'm sure the Bini believe Oranmiyan which they changed to 'Omonayan' was his actual name rather than Odede which as the actual name.

Please and please, Bini folks need to do a proper research of Yoruba words before twisting it to fit into their poor revisionism.

I read somewhere that Ekhalederhen stopped over at Owo? Owo didn't even come into existence until after Oduduwa's period as king in Ife.

RedboneSmith:
Mr Research, Osifekunde was captured by 'Ijoh' and sold to the Itsekiri at Bobi. Given this information, it is not hard to figure out that this happened in the Western Delta (Bight of Benin) and not the Eastern Delta (Bight of Biafra). Western Ijaws were renowned pirates and often sold their captives to the neighbouring Itsekiri. Stop adding pepper and salt to history. Stick with facts or at least (where facts aren't readily accessible) the most logical hypothesis.

Read:

(Note: Osifekunde = Osifeku-ade. He was heading from Epe to the Benin River when he was captured; and not Cameroon as you falsely claim.)

RedboneSmith:
Where in the world are you plucking your history from?!!

RedboneSmith:
Bros, I dey fear you!

Malians were afraid of Oyo? Anyway, that's a matter for another day. It is this Osifekunde matter that caught my attention. Osifekunde was not sold from the Bight of Biafra. Osifekunde was captured by the Western Ijaw who plied their canoes in the western Niger delta as far as the Lagos Lagoon, and was sold from the Bight of Benin.

Osifekunde's captors were most probably the Arogbo Ijaws, who were known as great watercraft people and pirates...as suggested by this article.

https://woyingi./2009/04/21/the-return-to-arogbo-reflections-on-slavery-kinship-and-going-home/

Easy, bro.

RedboneSmith:
Bros, I dey fear you!

Malians were afraid of Oyo? Anyway, that's a matter for another day. It is this Osifekunde matter that caught my attention. Osifekunde was not sold from the Bight of Biafra. Osifekunde was captured by the Western Ijaw who plied their canoes in the western Niger delta as far as the Lagos Lagoon, and was sold from the Bight of Benin.

Osifekunde's captors were most probably the Arogbo Ijaws, who were known as great watercraft people and pirates...as suggested by this article.

https://woyingi./2009/04/21/the-return-to-arogbo-reflections-on-slavery-kinship-and-going-home/

Easy, bro.

blazhykowskyi:
oka is yoruba word for maize. I'm from owo and oka is maize in my dialect so don't go there.

oka is amala in oyo dialect.

oworo people are 100% yoruba so stop this your long tale by moonlight.

catal:
lol@ igboukwu artworks are not NRI but ife

legendte:
I'm with you on the issue of going back home to build our place. Every other opinion you mentioned is based on wrong information. How did you come up with the knowledge that Eagle cement is owned by a yoruba man? Apart from Yoruba tribe, no other tribe can lay claim to being the biggest contributor to Lagos economy. From Capital oil down to orange drugs and down to small businesses in the states. We own mansions and pay taxes there. Do you know how much the state generates from markets in Lagos? Ladikpo, idumota, Alaba just mention any of them. If we take statistics well, we might have more funds there than the yorubas but I am not happy about that. El Rufai once said that Igbos should stop agitating for a new state that Abuja is our state. Sounds funny but go to wuse market, go to Idu and the rest. Almost all the aluminium companies and building materials sales are owned by Igbos. I wouldn't totally blame them because I know the origin. Apart from the effects of the civil war, Lagos was the capital of the country and it is vital to any business because of its closeness to the oceans. Again it has received enough patronage by FG.
Please remind me of one investment of any non Igbo in the South East. The only tribe that contributes marginally is the fulani due to their agro business. Even at that, they have no single landed property in SE
I stand to be corrected

cuminside:
Can someone tell me how Nigeria economy will be affected when all the Afonjas sit at home for one week and what will happen in Nigeria when all igbos sit at home in one week; I need good answers with details

legendte:
Well I appreciate your advice on putting our house in order but I would like to point out another stereotype from your assertions.
Igbos have regards for constituted authorities and I would like you to prove me wrong with facts.
The kingship has been a tool of governance in Igboland till date. We elect people to lead in every corner of the world we find ourselves. That is why you hear things like Eze ndigbo in Lagos, Texas etc. Under Ojukwu's command, we fought the war to show you our level of fellowship. The peaceful demonstration of Nnamdi Kanu's arrest proved most people wrong. Some were saying that we can't close shops for protest. We still have governors that we only unseat by democratic process. Why do you think that this would change if we are to govern ourselves? An average Igbo man only hates any form of intimidation no matter where it is coming from.

Now on your example of a student contesting in the east, I have a question for you. How many tribes have followed the Igbos in national integration by living in every corner of the country. I tell people that we act more Nigerian than any other tribe. We go to the west, live peacefully and build mansions there which is actually robbing us of economic growth in our region. How many yorubas have houses in Igboland. The stereotype has made them to believe that we are bad. Have you heard that Igbos killed a yoruba man before? Just look at Lagos for example and see how we have contributed to the growth of the state. I had a yoruba friend while I was in the university. He was even getting more love than majority of us. We are not violent in nature but we are always bold in fighting off any form of deliberate attack on us.

absoluteSuccess:
I won't to believe that metaphysical was just plucking names when he first shared the notion of nineveh, but when he came up with Ogori Magogo, I was completely stunned. He's was the notion that Ogori Magogo has to do with Gog and Magog.

Of course there are noisemakers here that has never made any impressive contributions save confrontation, but the wisdom is, no one can silence the quest for truth. Ile Ife history is part of Yoruba history, not the whole of Yoruba history.

Using ife to silence every other piece of history is folly, it is akin to internal imperialism. The notion that ife is the origin of the Yoruba did not trace to anywhere, its just a bail out for intellectual comatose of Yoruba scholars,

Yoruba enclave is built by leagues of kindred, every constituency has a valid account that trace back to source. That source has been lost to time, but we can upturn the roubles and find out where.

We are seekers after the truth of the story, not the deceit.

Olu317:
WITH GREAT RESPECT DO I HAVE FOR MANY OF US TREMENDOUSLY STUDYING THE RELEVANCE OF MYTH AND HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVES OF YORUBA WORLD. HOWEVER, THERE ARE FLAWS IN SOME OF THEIR PRONOUNCEMENT ON THE FOUNDATION OF EARTH IN COMPARISON WITH ISRAEL CREATION MYTH AND WHICH SCIENTISTS CALLED EVOLUTION OF EARTH (THE BIG BANG THEORY) . SOME OF YORUBA PERSPECTIVE CAN REALLY BE SAID TO BE INACCURATE VIS A VIS OOYE-LA-AGBO MYTH,CREATION MYTH, CREATOR MYTH, DIVINITY MYTH. THOUGH THERE IS NO IOTA OF DOUBT ABOUT YORUBA ANCIENT ETHNICITY HAVING KNOWLEDGE OF THE SUPREME BEING BUT ILE IFE WAS NEVER THE FIRST SPOT LIGHT EMANATED FROM. WHAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DEDUCED WAS THE YORUBA PEOPLE ELIMINATED THE ANCIENT NOK PEOPLE WHEN THEY ARRIVED AT THE LOCATION ADDUCED AS THE BEGINNING OF WORLD. THE FACTS ON GROUND TESTIFY TO IT. YORUBA'S ILE IFE WAS NEVER THE FIRST PLACE HUMAN'S OLDEST SKULL DISCOVERED AND IS NEVER THE OLDEST PART ON THE PLANET EARTH. I DENOUNCE THE CALENDAR BECAUSE OF ITS IN ACCURACY THOUGH IT LAY CLAIM TO ITS OWN CALCULATION WHICH COMMENCED IN JUNE 3rd 2016 to REPRESENT 10058th YORUBA YEAR AND ENDS IN JUNE 2nd 2017.BRO ,THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT YORUBA ETHNICITY IS A UNIQUE GROUP BEING THE MOST RESEARCHED IN THE WORLD . BUT WE AREN'T AN INDIGENOUS STOCKS NEITHER ARE WE EGYPTIANS BREEDS. I TOOK MY TO TRY TO BRING FEW AND POSSIBLE EXTENDED CRITICISM AND MORE RESEARCH ON IT. ONE PARTICULAR GUY USED A FOUL LANGUAGE ON ME AND I DIDN'T TAKE HIM UP ON IT BECAUSE HE IS A YORUBA STOCK. SO BRO, TRUTHFULLY, SOME THEORIES PROPOUNDED BY PEOPLE ON YORUBA PEOPLE AREN'T TRUE. ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTION IS; HOW WAS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE OBATALA ODUA AND THE REST TO HAD WORN LONG ROBE IN THEIR TIME? IF YOU HAVE CLUE TO IT, KINDLY LET ME KNOW.

Probz:
Yeah, I'm still not getting this, lawani. You wan give examples of these Yoruboid words (save for okoro) and esp. mannerisms?

olajigaolamide:
Speaking ekiti dialect in ijesa intonation does not make any part of ekiti an ijesa territory

Probz:
My observation is that oyibo is more popular generally in southern Nigeria (and among Igbos) and that's how the word's pronounced anyway. Yorubas (at least the ones I know) also say oyibo but write oyinbo. I know some Yorubas use eebo but in written language it always has a likeness for oyinbo from what I've seen. The rest of us in the south just say and write oyibo.

Olu317:
LEAVE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF KINGDOMS OUT OF IT. AND DONT QUOTE CALENDAR FOR ME BECAUSE THE YEAR OF OCCUPATION AT ILE IFE DATES BACK TO 3rd/4th/5th CENTURY. AND PROPER URBANISATION CAME UP AROUND 1000AD DURING THE IRON AGE. IF A PLACE ISN'T POPULAR, DOES IT MEAN, IT NEVER EXISTED?, WHERE DO YOU PUT OBA?,ALL THESE PLACES YOU MENTIONED WERE DEVELOPING WITH OTHERS. OBOKUN WAS NEVER A NAME BUT AN ALIAS. SO BRO GET YOUR FACT RIGHT.