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Olu317:
LEAVE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF KINGDOMS OUT OF IT. AND DONT QUOTE CALENDAR FOR ME BECAUSE THE YEAR OF OCCUPATION AT ILE IFE DATES BACK TO 3rd/4th/5th CENTURY. AND PROPER URBANISATION CAME UP AROUND 1000AD DURING THE IRON AGE. IF A PLACE ISN'T POPULAR, DOES IT MEAN, IT NEVER EXISTED?, WHERE DO YOU PUT OBA?,ALL THESE PLACES YOU MENTIONED WERE DEVELOPING WITH OTHERS. OBOKUN WAS NEVER A NAME BUT AN ALIAS. SO BRO GET YOUR FACT RIGHT.

IF YOU SAY CALENDAR MEANS NOTHING TO YOU, ALL WELL AND GOOD! IT MEANS A LOT TO ME. IT MAKES ME KNOW THAT THE PRESENT CULTURE I AM UNDER WAS ESTABLISHED 10060 YEARS AGO AFTER AN ADVANCED CIVILIZATION CALLED IFE OODAYE KNOWN AS WADAI WAS DESTROYED. THIS NEW ONE IS THE REMNANT OF THE FIRST EARTH HEADQUARTER AFTER THAT DESTRUCTION OF 10060 YEARS AGO. A NEW IFE MAY BE ESTABLISHED AS A YORUBA CAPITAL SAY IN TOGO OR BENIN (THEY ALL HAVE IFE SITES MAWUFE, AMADZOFE ETC) THIS YEAR AND NAMED IFE OLODUmARE OR WHATEVER. CAN YOU BASE THE AGE OF THE CIVILIZATION ON THE AGE OF THAT NEW IFE? CONSIDER IT WELL MY BROTHER.

Olu317:
OWA means more than some one who arrived. Wa is Come, O WA is different from OWA. OWA(EXIST/HE LIVES) is a princely name turned Eulogy and title which is genealogically son of Odua. OBOKUN was the princely description of him as Salty water fetcher ( Sea) .No one or group bears that name except from Odua lineage. How do I know? It is because I AM FROM OWA LINEAGE.

OWA MEAN JJC TO ME JOLLY JUST COME. OWA DENOTES A STRANGER THAT WAS MADE KING. AJIBOGUN AKA OBOKUN WAS A NEW PERSON THAT ESTABLISHED IJESA OVER THE LANDS OF DEFUNCT IFE STATES. IJESA IS LESS THAN 2000 YEARS OLD AND THIS IS YEAR 10060 OF YORUBA CALENDAR. IT IS YEAR 10060 OF IFE OOYELAGBO THE FIRST CITY ESTABLISHED AFTER AN APOCALYPSE. IFE STATES LIKE IRE, ARAMOKO, IJERO, IRELE ETC HAD EXISTED THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE THE NEW ONES OF IJESA, BENIN, IJEBU, OYO AND ETC WERE FORMED. THOSE NEW ONES WERE MAINLY ESTABLISHED BY THE CHILDREN OF A STRANGER THAT WAS CROWNED THE OLOFIN IN ILE IFE. ORANMIYAN WAS ONE, OBOKUN WAS ANOTHER. THERE WERE MANY OF THEM.

Probz:
Re. this oyibo matter, I thought what una use is oyinbo/eyinbo while oyibo is the Igbo form of the same word.

Oyibo, Oyinbo, Eebo, Oibo are thesame word rendered differently.

RedboneSmith:
Bros, how did you come by this theory that tonality in a language is a mark of antiquity?

And even assuming that was the case, who told you Igbo is not equally a tonal language? Have you studied the Igbo language? Have you seen this thread where some knowledgeable Igbos used the tonality of the Igbo language to play a game?

https://www.nairaland.com/1398827/igbo-homophone-game

IT SURELY IS A MEASURE OF TRANQUILITY OR HOW MUCH LEFT ALONE IT WAS. GREEK FOR INSTANCE USED TO BE TONAL AND WRITTEN WITH DIACRITICAL ,ARKS BUT NOW IT IS NON TONAL.

HOWEVER, AFTER ALL THAT HAS BEEN SAID, IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS OF MUTUAL INTELLIGIBILTY BETWEEN DIALECTS OF SAME LANGUAGE AS WE SPEAK, THEN HOW MUCH MORE BETWEEN AN OLD LANGUAGE AND ITS NEW FORM? THERE IS NOTHING LIKE IGBO OF TEN THOUSAND YEARS AGO, NO IGBO THAT TIME, ONLY PEOPLE SOME OF WHOSE DESCENDANTS BECAME IGBOS AND ETC.

PTAHHOTEP SAID SOMETHING OVER 5000 YEARS AGO IN KEMITIC EGYPTIAN AND IT WAS RENDERED BY EUROPEANS INTO MODERN CHARACTERS HE SAID 'WHERE WE LOVED BECAME AN EVIL PLACE'. IT WAS REWRITTEN AS 'IBN NFR DU BW BN'. JUST AN EFFORT BY THE EUROPEAN BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE LANGUAGE IS MODERN YORUBA! IF YOU UNDERSTAND YORUBA. THE WAY WE WRITE NOW, IT IS 'IBI A FE DI IBI BI' WHICH IS SAME THING AS WHAT THE EUROPEAN WROTE IF SPOKEN.
HOWEVER MODERN YORUBA CAN NOT BE SAID TO BE KEMITIC EGYPTIAN, IT IS NOW A NEW LANGUAGE WHICH IS KEMITIC EGYPTIAN FUSED WITH AKOKO, NUPE, HAUSA, FON AND ETC. THE AKOKO COMPONENT WAS PROBABLY GOTTEN FROM A LANGUAGE SPOKEN IN NIGERIA OVER 5000 YEARS AGO AND THAT LANGUAGE IS ALSO AN ANCESTOR OF THE IGBOID AND EDOID GROUPS BUT NOWADAYS THEY ARE GROUPED AS YEAI MEANING YORUBA EDO AKOKO IGBO. A LANGUAGE FAMILY. THERE IS A NUPOID GROUP WITH EBIRA, NUPE, GWARI AND MANY OTHERS. THERE IS INTER AND INTRA FAMILY BORROWING. SOME FEATURES OF YORUBA ARE FOUND IN NUPE FOR INSTANCE LIKE THE COMMON GREETING E KU. IT DOES NOT OCCUR IN IGALA. IGALAS SAY NI AGO INSTEAD OF EKU AND I BELIEVE YORUBA USED THAT IN THE PAST. INFACT YORUBA STILL USE IT BUT NOT AS MUCH AS IGALAS. YORUBAS SAY AGO ONILE TO SALUTE PEOPLE AT HOME. THAT IS A REMNANT OF PROTO YORUBA IGALA LANGUAGE. IN THE PAST, NO EKU IN YORUBA. I BELIEVE IT IS NUPE IN ORIGIN. NI AGO WAS THE GREETING JUST LIKE IN IGALA TODAY IS WHAT I BELIEVE FOR NOW. BUT THE AGBA RESPONSE IN IGALA DOES NOT OCCUR IN YORUBA. CLOSEST IS WHEN YOU SEND GREETINGS AND THE COURIER SAYS WON A GBO IN YORUBO BUT THAT IS NOT THESAME AS THE IGALA AGBA RESPONSE.

LANGUAGE AND CULTURE STUDY IS INTERESTING BUT GO BACK 5000 YEARS ONLY AND YOU WILL BE SURPRISED AT THE REALITIES BACK THEN!.

bigfrancis21:
Studying the etymology of Igbo and Yorubaa languages, Igbo language is definitely older than Yoruba. The easier a language is to learn, the more likely to be recent it is - child language vs parent languages. Older/parent languages are often complex in structure and lingo. Eg: original Latin vs Spanish. Old english vs modern english. Igbo vs Yoruba. Looking at the alphabet system of both languages, Igbo has 36 letters in its alphabet, Yoruba has only 25. Igala (related to Yoruba) has 28, indicating a possible migratory movement from east to west with east being the earliest point of settlement in southern Nigeria before dispersion further west.

Ewu is an ancient Igbo word evident in its usage in Igbo proverbs, Ewure is Yoruba. It's needless claiming any borrowing when both languages share certain similar words together.

Let me teach you something about languages. The more tonal a language, the more in its original form it is. Then number of alphabets does not matter. Pidgin English like Sierra Leonean Creole have more alphabets than Yoruba but not older than Yoruba. If a language has been considerably disturbed, it will lose tone. So, personally, I believe level of tonality is a good measure of the long standing of a language. I will give you some examples of Yoruba tonality, you give me Igbo. Remember tonality is nothing less than tonic sulpha in music. So it really is a measure of long standing of language.

Aja (re mi) is dog
Aja (do mi) a town
Aja (re do) We fought
Aja (re mi) again but depending on context is 'we fled'.
Aja (re re) We off loaded it
Aja (re re) Depending on context is 'We tore it'.
Aja (mi mi) he will flee
Aja (mi do) He will fight
There are still more
Baba (do mi) Father
Baba (do do) copper or so

Ade (re mi) crown
Ade (re mi) depending on context is 'We have come'.
Ade (re fi) we bound him
Ade (re re) We covered it.
Ade (mi mi) He will come
Ade (mi re) He will cover it
There are still more.

The tones are just 5 but they go over a wide scale and that is why Yoruba can be spoken with a drum easily.

If I say something to a fellow Yoruba, they may not understand unless we were talking before which may allow them to use idea or sense to understand. Which language do you know like that?.

Let me put this sentence out with intonation if anybody can interprete, so you see what I am saying

WaWaWa (MI DO MI)
ASK YOUR YORUBA FRIENDS TO TRANSLATE IF THEY CAN.

From the analysis above, Igbo is more of a pidgeon language than Yoruba.

absoluteSuccess:
You are equally limited by this same theory everytime you struggles with explanations beyond your scope and lingual prowess. Except you know it all already.

If you believe we can't speak and analyse our language beyond your set limits, then that's weird.

There are hundreds of ijebu, ijeda and iwoye: if it pleases you, accept the 'false etymology' as fact. It does not please me sir since I'm unlike you.

There's what the false etymology says and there's what Yoruba intellectual culture implies. To see beyond the ordinary takes exceptional insight.

YOU TOTALLY MISS THE POINT. I SAY ONLY IJESA ACCOUNT PASSED AROUND IN IJESA. I CANT SPEAK FOR OTHERS UNLESS I HAVE READ THEIR ACCOUNT!. THAT IS WHY I SAID ASK THE IJEBU, DONT JUST ASSUME!.

IF YOU SAY ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES, LAGOS TRUMPS MANY EUROPEAN AND NORTH AMERICAN CITIES! BUT IS LAGOS BETTER THAN THOSE CITIES? NO. LAGOS WILL NEVER BE BETTER THAN THEM UNDER NIGERIA. ACCRA IS TO LAGOS WHAT CITIES LIKE BONN, PRAGUE, WARSAW, AND ETC IN EUROPE ARE TO LAGOS BUT TO A LESSER EXTENT. ABIDJAN RANKS HIGHER THAN ACCRA IN WEST AFRICA AS A MODERN CITY.

absoluteSuccess:
Good, if ijesha is from ijo esha, then ijebu will be ijo ebu.

Good morning bro, its been a while.

it does not work like that . In Ijesa, we have towns Ijebu, Ijeda, Iwoye which some say mean The blood started flowing, The blood flow stopped, The wound healed. Ije, Uje or Eje meaning blood in that case. So it depends on what the custodians of the heritage says. The Ijebu name of Southern Yoruba probably has another meaning which will have to be told by them. If we say everything is Ijo, then what about Ijamo, Ijaregbe, Ijare, Ijanikin and many others?. So you have to ask those who own the name.

absoluteSuccess:
What does ijesha means: the odyssey of the chosen.

What does owa means: the seekers, the incomers to a place.

What does atakumosa means: one who shove death and never flee.

What does owa-obokun means: seekers of a place that ends at sea.

What does ekun means: a roaring feline, either lion or leopard.

Ekun e maa fara sinko, iwaju ekun ina, eyin ekun oorun, aji gini arin gini...

Ologini is the equivalent of catwalk. Walking majestically like a lion.

Can a very important person 'fara sinko' (hide in the bush)?

Akure is of the same ideology as atakumosa, similar notion.

Ijo just as used in church ijo irapada, ijo aguda, it means congregation. Esa means carefully selected. So Ijesa means congregation of elite. Let us just say Ekun means strong man, that is the real meaning before being applied to animal. In Egypt, it meant strong man just like Ijesas use it. Ijesas are called Omo Ekun which means children of the valiant.

Owa means newly arrived. Owa Obokun means the newly arrived king whose name is Obokun. Obokun is the alias of Oduduwa's son who got the brine to cure his blindness.

Atakunmosa, i think means Ati okun mo osa. He who got to the lagoon via the sea or knew the lagoon and the ocean. It is something to do with seafaring.

bigfrancis21:
This, I would say, is your first objective post on nairaland.

Umu means 'children' or descendants in Igbo. It could also be used to indicate plural for human nouns. Like nwanyi (singular - woman) vs umunwanyi (plural - women). It is the adopted standard Igbo word for children or descendants. Other variants used are 'omu' especially in the Rivers Igbo axis (among the Ikwerres), Nmu (among the Ikas), Rumu (among the Ikwerres too) etc.

As to your question about Igala-Igbo-Yoruba relationship, possible East to West migration, Igbo - Igala - Yoruba yeaa??

NRI IGBOS ARE TOO BACKWARD YO BE YORUBA ANCESTORS. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. YORUBA ANCESTORS WERE ADVANCED HUMANS FROM A CIVILIZATION FAR MORE ADVANCED THAN THE PRESENT ONE ON EARTH. YORUBAS ARE NOW BELOW THE LEVEL OF ADVANCEMENT OF THEIR EARLIEST ANCESTORS BUT THERE WAS NEVER A TIME THEY WERE AT THE LEVEL OF ADVANCEMENT OF NRI IGBOS. THAT IS WHY I DONT SUPPORT YOUR IGBO-IGALA-YORUBA MIGRATION HYPOTHESIS,

absoluteSuccess:
AKURE: A (we shall...) ku (die) Re (snaps). What this mean is that the notion that 'we shall die has snapped'. The full statement is 'Akure Oloye M'ekun' that is 'Akure, the intelligent (or chieftain, survivor) lion whelp'. This statement can be traced to the ancient Yoruba explorers who were thought to be doomed, but the mariners believe in 'Ikare' (Iku a re; death shall be weaken). They were known as Cotonu, the mortal mariners elsewhere. One of them was Oba Ado, (their mouthpiece) who said 'awa donile, a o kumo...' in Odu Ose Meji. 'Ewu are' ('ehu', Fon for killer, 'are'- Yoruba for 'pass over' or 'escape' forms a semantic-amalgam, ewuare) this conceal the same notion as Ikare, as found in the saying: Iku a rewa kete, arun a rewa kete.

Akun beads are a symbol of royalty. Akure is said to be Akun re meaning the beads snapped or the bead cut. Oloyemekun means literally the chief knew or encountered the lion. Lion here means a higher and much respected chief. I will say the chief in question may be Owa obokun Atakunmosa of Ijesa. The Ijesa monarch is called Ekun. Ekun in Yoruba actually means strong man. It means thesame in Kemitic Egyptian. The Ijesas call themselves Omo owa Omo ekun. Atakunmosa himself was called Ogere ekun. It was Atakunmosa that gave the title Owafadeji to his grandson the Akure king. Owafadeji shortened to Deji means the owa granted him a crown.

Then Ewu is Danger in Yoruba. When you say O ni ewu o! It means, it is dangerous or risky. Ewuare means Risk or danger will pass us over. It is not the re in Akure.

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Rendezvou:
Offa- Derived from the name 'Olalomi Olofagangan' a descendant of Oduduwa who first settled in Offa. Ofa means bow and arrow in Yoruba, from which Olofagangan was coined because he was a hunter known for making and using Ofa (bow and arrow).

but Ofa (re do) meaning arrow is quite different from Ofa (do do) which is the town name!. They are not same words!. If Ofa is arrow, what is Oje then?. Please research more.

Rendezvou:
IJESA- from “Ijo awon ti asa” meaning “the council of selected people” later shortened to Ijesa/Ijesha.

Ile esa is Ilesa, Ijo esa is Ijesa. Esa means simply carefully selected people or elites.

Bolombolo is corruption of blowblow. That is an English word. Watery mud is potopoto in Yoruba as well, might be same in Igbo. Another word for mud not watery is Ere. Then Umu is popular in Igbo, sometimes attached to place names like Umuahia which I presume means market children or what Yorubas in Ilesa call Omo aleja, children of the market used sometimes to mean miscreants. Umu I believe, was gotten from an ancestor group to both groups.

There is a book on the topic how Yoruba and Igbo became different languages by an OAU Prof. In that book you will see many more examples and you will just continue arguing who borrowed from whom!. On Nwoke, it is a contraption of Nwa oke, it is oke that means male which is like ako in Yoruba also meaning male. Female in Yoruba is abo but Igbos use anyi, when talking of humans, the words okunrin and obinrin are used by Yorubas instead of ako and abo. For Igbos it is Nwaoke and Nwaanyi.

It is not arguable that Igala and Yoruba separated a while back, maybe 2000 years ago probably less but Igalas use the Igbo 4 week days or something similar while Yorubas have their own days named after orisas and it is said that it was Orunmila that fixed the names. Given that Orunmila lived before Igalas separated from Yoruba, why do Igalas use the Igbo system? Though Yoruba dont take their system seriously like Igbos really and no actual names for the days than their being named after Orisas and being sabbaths for different orisas.

There are other people in the Americas like Angolans, Congolese especially Angolans.

Probz:
Igbos by Yoruboid areas? Wetin?

Some Anambra, Delta and Enugu communities border with Yoruboid areas. Igala, Olukunmi, Itsekiri are all Yoruboid groups and you find more Yoruboid words, mannerism, culture in the adjacent Igbo areas.

Pedagogue:
Many of the comments here are based on Bias, not Facts. Claiming that you have been to/graduated from any of the Universities is a bad way to start your answer. As this is an anonymous forum, any claim of being a graduate/student of any of the Universities cannot be verified. So, please give little or no weight to comments from people that claim they graduated from IFE, but UI is better, and vice versa!

That said, the criteria for comparing universities is very unique. Universities are not companies where almost every criterion is money-related.

Rather, comparing Universities require a consideration of a wide range of issues. Some of these are considered below.

(But first, may I emphasise that U.I and OAU are arguably the best Universities in Nigeria. Thus, the Op's question is befitting of their Yale v Harvard status in Nigeria).

1. Location: UI is located in the city of Ibadan. OAU; Ile-Ife. U.I's city-location makes it very attractive to students who want a Life outside campus.

2. Infrastructure: I know from personal and professional experience that OAU's architectural design is iconic. It is better than any Nigerian Universitiy. However, OAU student halls are in a terrible state. UI has better halls of residence/better room:student ratio.

3.Entry Requirements: UI has a much more flexible and transparent admission system-It has always been. OAU has an unnecessarily tough admission process-It has always been!

4.Academic Calendar: OAU has been plagued with incessant strikes. However, U.I is also losing it's long-held reputation of having a relatively stable academic calendar. Nevertheless, UI wins hands down!

5. Tuition Fees/Administration: No comparison. Students in OAU have always paid less than their counterparts in UI. OAU wins. But regarding non-academic staff, both have poor academic and non-academic administrators. Unnecessary bureaucracy is the order of the day.

6. Quality of Teaching: By world standards, both are extremely poor. But it appears from my experience that the quality of teaching in UI is probably better. Whilst IFE relies on the 'hard work strategy' of pushing students hard to discover things for themselves, UI generally monitors their lecturers, such that lecturers are made to stick to certain standards. A more scathing summary would be that IFE adopts the 'help yourself' strategy which in turn stimulates academic rivalry among students, while UI believes in 'spoon feeding' students.

6.Lecturership: There are more IFE products that are Deans/Professor than any other University in UI. In fact, UI has a reputation of 'buying' lecturers from Ife. They will not do this if they don't believe in the quality of IFE. This is what IFE does not do. This fuels the perception that OAU is too 'arrogant'.

7.Quality of Alumni & Students: Very difficult. Although UI has obviously produced more graduates, IFE has done very well for itself since it's establishment. Thus, the two schools have produced very distinguished Nigerians.

8.Graduate Prospects: Both are great. Period.

9. Subject Strengths: This is where many people miss it. Both schools have their areas of strengths and weaknesses. For instance, UI has a better PG school-the best in the country. Also, UI's college of medicine is better because of the TH. However, IFE 'S faculty of law, Humanities and some engineering courses are clearly more 'respected' than their counterparts.

10. Notion/Perceptions: Go to IFE if you want to just read and read! You will meet like-minds: people who are ready to die from reading too much! Everything about the University is centred around pushing yourself to the limits. It's a school that will pass through you. Little wonder that they have the most passionate Alumni in Nigeria!

Go to UI if you want a less-complicated academic and social life. Everything about the University is normal and within tolerable limits. Read and pass your exams without any drama- And you will be out of UI so soon that you will have no serous emotional ties to the University!



But which is better As it is evident from the above indices, It's a tough call!

YOU MISSED OUT THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR WHICH IS QUALITY OF RESEARCH WORK AND REKNOWN SOLUTIONS GOTTEN BY WORK IN THE UNIVERSITY. PATENTS GOTTEN BY THEIR RESEARCHERS AND ETC. UNIVERSITIES ARE ESTABLISHED TO BROADEN HUMAN KNOW HOW.

Kgdavid:
The beauty of the internet is that anyone can wake up and type whatever they feel like. I have given you the true history of Benin-yoruba relations. Better learn and be enlightened.

WE ARE SAYING THESAME THING. IGODOMIGODO PREDATED BENIN. THAT WAS AN EDO KINGDOM BUT VERY SMALL. JUST A CITY STATE, THEN THEY MADE A YORUBA MAN KING WHO BUILT A NEW CAPITAL NAMED IFE IBINU NOW CALLED IBINI OR BENIN. THAT CAPITAL WAS A YORUBA CITY COMPARABLE TO WARRI, OWO, IGBOKODA EVEN IFE, ILESA, ONDO. THAT IS THE ISSUE. THEY BROUGHT YORUBA ART AND OTHER KNOWHOW TO THE NEW CITY WHICH BECAME THE HQ OF AN EMPIRE THAT BECAME OF WORLD REKNOWN!. SO, IN A WAY, YOU ARE RIGHT BECAUSE THE MAN DID NOT FIGHT THEM, THEY MADE HIM KING OF THEIR OWN VOLITION BUT THE EMPIRE HE CREATED WAS A YORUBA ONE. HIS PROGENITORS SPOKE YORUBA AND GAVE YORUBA NAMES TO THEIR NEW TOWNS ESTABLISHED ALL OVER. THE CAPITAL WAS OVERWHELMED BY PEOPLE FROM THE MAN'S PLACE. HOWEVER, EDO LANGUAGE AND CULTURE MUST BE PRESERVED AS WELL AS OTHERS ACROSS BOARD. THAT I BELIEVE, IS THE WAY FORWARD.

WOULD YOU SAY THE PEOPLE OF IGODOMIGODO MADE A MISTAKE BY MAKING A YORUBA THEIR KING? YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT IS THE SOLE REASON BENIN CITY IS A MAJOR AFRICAN URBAN CENTER TODAY.

THERE WAS A TIME IGBO AND YORUBA WERE ONE BEFORE THEY SPLIT BUT THE MECCAN ODUDUWA CAME AFTER ISLAM!. THAT IS A VERY RECENT ARRIVAL. THE MOREMI STORY HAPPENED AFTER IFE WAS RELOCATED TO THE PRESENT AREA FROM ELSEWHERE, SO THE UGBO PEOPLE UNDER THE OLU IGBO WERE TROUBLING THEM JUST LIKE PALESTINIAN TROUBLE JEWS TODAY! THOUGH ALL WERE THESAME IFE PEOPLE BUT THE OLU IGBO RECOGNISED A MORE ANCIENT IFE THAT HAD GONE UNDER, SO IT TOOK THEM SOME TIME TO GET USED TO THE NEW PEOPLE MASQUERADING AS IFES!. SO THEY RAIDED THEM AS WOULD BE EXPECTED! THAT IS THE STORY!.

WE DONT KNOW WHEN YORUBAS AND IGBOS SEPARATED BUT IT CAN NOT BE LESS THAN 3 TO 5 THOUSAND YEARS AGO!. I WILL SAY IT WAS BEFORE THE TIME OF OGUN ALARA BECAUSE IGBOS DONT SACRIFICE DOGS BUT NOT BEFORE OGUN ONIKOLA SINCE IGBOS PERFORM CIRCUMCISION ON MALES. IT MAY BE BEFORE ORUNMILA TOO. THE FIRST ALARA WAS ORUNMILA'S SON. YORUBA CALENDAR IS 10060 THIS YEAR, LET US JUST SAY THE FIRST FIVE THOUSAND YEARS PROBABLY SAW YORUBAS AND IGBOS AS ONE PEOPLE. THAT IS MY SUBMISSION

Oba Obateru Akinruntan is the Olu Igbo. That is the Igbo (re mi) referred to in Moremi of Ife stories. Igbo (mi do) is a recent phenomenon. Nobody was called Igbo (mi do) in the 19th century. The word is derived from Ndigbo. Nothing like Igbo actually. That is a convenient creation. You cant say somebody is Igbo really just like you cant say somebody is Owerri or Onitsha. Ndionitsha means Onitsha people, NdiOwerri means Owerri people. Onye Onitsha means Onitsha person, Onye Owerri means Owerri person. When they all gather as in Ndi Owerri, Ndi Onitsha, Ndi Enugu and etc, they address the gathering as Ndigbo which means everybody to cover all. So when you say Onyegbo what you mean actually is human being!. When you say Ndigbo, it means everybody. Be clear about that!. Dont be confused. There really is nothing like Igbo (mi do)! Or Igbo (do do) to mean a nation originally. That is a recent coinage. That would be like Yorubas calling themselves Eda, a word that means human being in Yoruba!. To Yorubas, we are all Eda and we have Eledas that exist in the spirit. White people, insects, Hausas, Igbos are all Edas or creation of God. It covers all creations. Humans are Eda Adarihunrun or Eda omo Adamo. A well behaved person is Eda Omoluwabi etc.


Now, Ndigbo is also a Yoruba word. The etymology is from when both languages were one because today, if I say Idi Akintola, it means people of Akintola lineage, idi Awolowo, it means people of Awo's lineage. Can you see the parallel with Igbo language? If I now say Idigboo, it means the lineage of all or everybody. Ask the meaning of Akarigbo of Remo and names like Ogeyingbo.

So the word Igbo which is now used as a national name is not what occurred in the Moremi story, the one in the Moremi story means forest and I believe Igbo Ukwu also means forest. I know that intuitively. The one in Ndigbo means all like the Gbo or Gbogbo in everyday Yoruba conversation.

bigfrancis21:
The Hausas call the Igbos 'nyamiri', a corruption of 'nye m miri' (give me water) they heard when the first Igbos who arrived in the North were thirsty and had to ask for water to drink. The Hausas, obviously could not understand what was said so in return called them these 'nyamiri' people. That's just an example of how the spoken words of someone could be a marker for that person and could be later used to describe, know or call that person, as in 'oye ibo' as the Europeans would have called it (obviously they could not pronounce the 'gb' sound), and in turn they were called called 'oyeebo' because of their funny accent or way of pronouncing 'onye igbo'.

Forget all these unnecessary argument. Oyibo is an Igbo word. Olaudah Equiano described in his memoir his village people using it as far back as the early 1700s. This was a remote village in Igboland far from the sea and the border areas with other linguistic ethnic groups but 'oyibo' was already being used in the Igbo language. This removes any sort of 'linguistic adoption' theory as you may want to infer. The earliest academic evidence of 'oyinbo' in Yoruba land comes much later in the mid 1800s in the form of Yoruba dictionary written by Ajayi Crowther. About 7 years earlier before he published the dictionary, Crowther had written a short book about his experiences in spreading Christianity (anglicanism) East of the Niger and he had remarkably mentioned that he and the Igbo Sierra Leonan were often called 'oyibo ojii' ('white' blacks or europeanized blacks) by the Igbo natives. Note Ajayi Crowther spent some time in the east during his religious expansion. This is probable evidence that this word may have been carried over to Yoruba land by Ajayi Crowther and his religious crew for usage, which later spread in the west. This is even more plausible given that the Nri civilization is the oldest civilization in Nigeria, predating Ife, Bini and Oyo civilizations.

This explains why online articles on the origin of 'oyibo' leans more towards an Igbo origin than Yoruba origin.

You need to really dig deep into history to discover the truth for yourself. Let go of your sense of 'cultural superiority' and you'd be surprised at what you discover.

You made some sense in your submission but you failed when you said Bishop Crowther must have introduced 'oyibo' to Yorubas!. That isnt an academic statement as Oyibo is our only word for white man, though we differentiate Europeans according to origin as well Oyibo Geesi is British, Oyibo Potogi is Portuguese, oyibo Faranse is French, Oyibo Amaro is Spanish and I believe Aguda is German. They were the ones who based in Togo that was Oyo territory and the church their missionaries dominate is called Ijo Aguda or Catholic church. I think Aguda is German. Then we have are saying Aguda o je labe Geesi which I think means 'Germans are independent of Britain'. So Oyibo was in use before Bishop Crowther's great great great great grandpa was born. Oyibo means oyi' Breeze and Bo peel. Make of it what you will. I believe it is a shared word though but etymology is Yoruba and it is Igbos near the Yoruboid areas that use it.

On Egusi. A former employee of mine from Ile Ife told me of a couple dedicated by Ife people to a deity. They dont buy food, they take whatever they want in the market. They are dedicated to a certain deity. The name of the wife is Segusipepe, I have forgotten the husband's name. Segusipepe means Break the melon briskly or so. Se egusi pepe. That is a name given to someone traditionally in Ile Ife. So how can egusi be borrowed from Igbo who were known to Yorubas only in the 20th century? Egusi also appears to be a shared word. But I would like to know the meaning of 'osinkin' in English if it also means melon.

Wantintin is a variation of the Yoruba bintin which is in the saying Ayo abarabintin. Its thesame origin. There are hundreds of shared words between Yoruba and Igbo that was in use by an ancestor nation to both.

oblak00:
Lagos is not an afonja land. Lagos is for everyone. If you won't still accept this, then let me ask you something. If it is now constituted that everyone should return to his/her state, do you think this rule will apply to the likes of Lagos? Dangote's multimillion naira industries nko? Will he move away? What about other prominent Nigerians whose businesses are in lagos and contributes to the success of this economy? Will they be driven out? No! I agree for other states but not Lagos, 'a no man's land'

LET ME TELL YOU WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE LIKES OF GLOBACOM, MTN, DANGOTE GROUP AND ETC IN YORUBA LAND. THE OODUA CONGLOMERATE WILL INVEST LIKE USD 5 BILLION IN DANGOTE CEMENT AND RESTRUCTURE THE BOARD. DANGOTE WILL REMAIN A STAKE HOLDER, PROBABLY CHAIRMAN. SAME APPLIES TO OTHERS. YOU GO AND DO SAME IN YOUR LAND!.

If anyone is at a post, the only good reasons they should leave that post is if they get a higher post, if they are of retirement age or if they are being relieved of the post as a sort of punishment for a misdemeanour or inadequacy. Any other reason is really not good enough.


This is the reason why we have people like President Paul Biya of Cameroon, President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, President Vladimir Putin of Russia, Late Moammar Ghaddafi of Libya, President Yahaya Jammeh of Gambia, President Alexander Lukashenko of Belarus and etc etc. Those listed are not declared monarchies, there are still monarchies in Africa, Europe and etc, the DPRK, Democratic Republic of Korea or North Korea is also more or less a monarchy with President Kim Jong Un as the monarch.


Why do people stay on forever at a post? Take Arsene Wenger of Arsenal FC as an example. He is a football coach, a team manager who has been Arsenal FC manager for well over a decade! Some will say he tried while majority will say there is nothing really to show for his time, they may opine that his results do not justify his wages and etc. I hope we can all see a parallel between Mr Arsene Wenger and all those we consider sit tight rulers?. Only difference is that we know that Mr Wenger is not forcing himself on Arsenal FC as a manager!. He is just a wage earner! Not much different from the team members who play the football. The decision makers are the owners of Arsenal FC represented by a board directing the club's affairs.


When you ask a man like President Mugabe why he is still President after decades, he will answer 'Dont you think it amounts to cowardice if I resign voluntarily from a job I am passionate about and I do that without a reasonable cause?, the best I can do is to conduct transparent elections!'. Wont he be right?. He definitely would be right and thesame applies to all the others viewed as sit tight rulers! Only that some of them force themselves on the people, they kill and etc to have their way. That sometimes is a difference.

CONCLUSION

Ethically, there is nothing wrong in removing term limits in a liberal democracy and there is nothing wrong in discontinuing the system of universal adult suffrage and general elections if government positions are reduced to what the post of Arsenal manager is under the owners of Arsenal FC. If there is one party in a nation ruled with a binary rule by a high powered unremunerated committee made up of hundreds of highest ranking citizens who are seasoned workers and elders, these elders choose the workers on the government board and rule them!, then there no longer will be a need for term limits, general elections or universal adult suffrage. You vote only in unions you belong to and you will not have to belong to any union.


THAT WILL BE A THEOCRACY. A BUSINESS LIKE STATE UNDER GOD USING ONLY ONE RULE 'NEVER DO EVIL'. IT ALSO IS A DEMOCRACY BECAUSE IT IS A GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE BANKROLLED DIRECTLY BY THE PEOPLE. YOU CAN ALSO PUT WORKERS IN PLACE OF PEOPLE.

cooljude:
Anybody can put up any publication online but it doesn't translate to it been factual. By tales passed down from. generation, by location of the Ugbos to Ife, it is quite obvious that they are the people been described by the tales of Moremi and not necessary South Eastern Igbos.

IGBO (RE MI) IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT WORD FROM IGBO (DO DO). THE FORMER IS FOREST WHILE THE LATTER SOUNDS LIKE HEAD BUTT IN YORUBA HOWEVER WHEN USED IN NDIGBO IT MEANS SAME AS GBO IN AKARIGBO WHICH IS ALL.

I WAS A YOUNG BUSINESS MAN IN ILE IFE AFTER MY NYSC. I HAD AROUND 15 PEOPLE AS EMPLOYEES AND I WAS MAKING BETWEEN 250,000 AND N300,000 per month back then with three big shops and 5 small ones in my Thoroughcommunications ventures, 44 Ibadan road Ile Ife. I was saving money every month, not owing workers and moving forward very fast before I went online and started writing for social reform in Nigeria which led to the board of the RCCG church attacking me, pulling down my business and attempting to kill me on very many occassions but I was wholly saved by the Global elite led by President George H W Bush and Mrs Barbara Bush. I am therefore going to formally get married soon to Barbara Junior, though they married us in 2000. If you are a young person in business doing well and moving forward, then you are in thesame shoes today, you are doing okay and things are looking up for you. You may even be a foreigner resident in the country. However, if you are in that shoes now, the country is yours and it is your sacred responsibility to change the country for good!. Nobody is going to come from anywhere to do that job for you. As the Yoruba say 'Bi ise ko ba pe ni, enikan kii pe ise!'. If a job falls on you to do like raising a kid you gave birth to, then you can not possibly dodge that responsibility!'. Better get started!.


When you get a good country, you can raise your heads among your peers on the international scene. Get it right and every other thing will come as a bonus!.

The post second world war United Nations' guarantee of sovereignty for all duly registered member states has given rise to a new class of sovereign states which I call 'The Inept State'. These states remain sovereign only because the UN guarantees their sovereignty, not because they deserve or merit that status as did all pre industrial sovereign states on the global stage back then during the pre industrial era. This is a lax and it serves as a drag down for humanity as a whole. Such states represent a permanent obstruction on the path of human advancement. Many are not real nations, their subgroups argue amongst themselves on population figures, they accuse each other of inflating figures to reap benefits, the nations are international fraud and crime havens, they undulge in human trafficking and etc. They are a spectacle of disharmony, disorganisation and disorientation. They never get anything done right. A good example is Nigeria.


Nigeria's government sells crude oil to raise revenue in dollars but the bulk of their expenditure is in Naira to pay civil and public servants, then contractors of all kinds. The revenue of government is well over 90 percent oil dollars which the government exchanges for Naira to offset Naira bills and pay Naira expenditures. So it is easy to see that if the government got 50 billion dollars last year from oil and 20 billion dollars this year due to factors they have no control over, they still have thesame Naira value of salaries and other expenditures to cover. Therefore the interest of the government will lie in the Naira falling in value against the dollar, so that 20 billion dollars of this year will be able to exchange for thesame naira value of 50 billion dollars of last year. This is easy for the government to achieve since they control the central bank.


To achieve the above, the government tinkers with Naira supply to achieve N350 to the dollar as against N160 to the dollar of last year. The effect is felt immediately by the citizens as the price of imports soars!.

Then the rhetorics begin! Let us reduce our imports, buy locally made goods and that will return the currency to the pre inflationary value! Say the local eggheads!. Atimes, the government prints money, then attempt to fix exchange rates in a bid to save their face, then the IMF advises them 'Free float your currency, be honest, do not muscle things!, you can not suddenly increase the supply of something and expect the value not to fall!, Restructure your economy and country and diversify your government income source!. Then PhDs, Professors and etc will start blaming Europe and America for using the Bretton woods institutions to dictate to their leaders and ruin their economy!. They will start complaining those institutions are forcing debts on them!. When as a matter of fact, the average third world nation is relatively debt free by European or North American standards!.


Nobody in Nigeria of 180 million really understands why the dollar was 157 in 2015 and 500 in 2016. They are too lazy to consider the matter properly. They do not understand that the government printed money, thereby causing inflation because the dollars they are getting, if changed at the old rates, can not get them the Naira they need!. Only solution of course is to stop the government entirely from depending on forex income. Norway of 5 million did that. Tax your people and raise money in your local currency!.


Rather than this, the government sells a dummy story of recession to the masses!. What is a recession? Go and read up about the Great Depression. That was the first shock experienced by the industrialized world. Goods were being produced by companies faster than there were buyers and everything crashed momentarily. Companies laid people off etc. Since then, as a counter measure in industrialized nations, more emphasis has been placed on who will buy what is been produced, hence the welfare state!


What is happening in Nigeria is not a recession but a reduction in government income but the government should not have been totally dependent on income from an insignificant sector of the economy. The oil brings in maybe 10% of forex. No forex scarcity in Nigeria!. You are thinking of Venezuela!. Go to supermarkets across the country. They are filled to the brim with goods imported with forex!.


However, those who produce for export (cocoa, charcoal, coffee, pko etc) are gainers along with government when the currency is inflated.


WHEN THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT KNOW ITS RIGHT FROM ITS LEFT AND THE MASS OF THE INTELLIGENTSIA ARE IN THESAME BOAT, BLAMING THE IMF, WORLD BANK, BRITAIN AND ETC AND EVEN CHINA, RUSSIA FOR THEIR WOES, THESAME PEOPLE GUARANTEEING THEIR UNMERITED SOVEREIGNTY
UNLIKE THE SOVEREIGNTY OF THEIR ANCESTORS, SUCH A STATE IS AN INEPT STATE, A FAILED STATE.

When you give someone a job, a responsibility, a post to hold, you help them a lot. They will live a more fulfilled life since they feel needed, they solve problems and they chip in. You help solve boredom for them, you afford them self esteem. At that post, they will meet people and be able to identify and get new opportunities. For example, when I was at MCN Nigeria, I realised the infrastructure and personnel is already in place for a huge cinema industry in Nigeria that can easily employ 200,000 well paid workers and have a revenue of billions of Naira annually. What is missing is the initiative. It just needs to be stringed together!. If I had not joined MCN, I would not have seen that latent prospect.

When someone must report somewhere, is being supervised by someone or is supervising someone, that person will be less likely to become a victim of drug abuse, the person will be much less available for criminal ctivities. Not that such people do not use drugs without prescription or commit crimes but they are much less likely to lose themselves in it. It is thesame way an individual who is married and is a parent is likely to behave more responsibly than someone who is not married and is not a parent. The post of parent or marriage partner is a post of responsibility that can serve to help keep people on their toes all the time.


All this goes to show that if the one ill of unemployment is solved in any society, that society would have consequently reduced or eliminated many other ills simultaneously. A society that solves unemployment has done itself a huge favor. Many societal ills will be automatically addressed as a side effect.


An income tax deductible means to a livelihood should be a human right in all nations like the right to life. If a state can not take care of you as in find you a job inside the economy when you need one, then the need to designate you as a citizen does not arise!. The first duty of a state should be to eradicate unemployment in that state!. A state should be statutorily required by the UN to get any of her citizen employment on request.


It was how the pre industrial society was organised. It was not socialism but a FREE MARKET COMMUNISM. It can be upgraded today. The Earth being a global village can make it more dynamic and interesting as nations compete among themselves for workers!. Adhoc workers can be transferred anytime and a business venture stopping such will have to regularise the worker. Also, most adhoc workers will be young people starting out in life. Corporate tax will be taken, personal income tax will be taken from regular workers as well as government posted adhoc staff of private sector ventures.

The idea is that it is better for someone to work two days a week while being on standby the rest of the time than to not work at all while being paid welfare from other people's work. While on standby, they can do research in universities and correspond with their supervisors via email to qualify for their income. That will keep everybody busy and keep criminal activities at a low ebb.

A UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THUS ORGANISED IS A NATION OPTIMALLY DEPLOYED, THAT NATION WILL BE FOCUSSED ON AUTOMATION AND THAT NATION WILL HAVE NO NEED TO COMPLAIN OF US JOBS LEAKING INTO THE CHINESE ECONOMY. US COMPANIES WILL ONLY GO TO CHINA TO HELP CHINA BY OFFERING THEM A PIECE OF THE PRODUCTION ACTION FOR THEIR LOCAL ECONOMY. THE US COMPANIES GAIN, CHINA GAINS. NO LOSERS.


THAT WILL BE A HIGH ENTROPY STATE WHERE THE HUMAN CAPITAL IS OPTIMALLY DEPLOYED.

Olu317:
Go and do research on it. You were called Igbos BY YOUR FOREFATHERS. THE WHITES DIDNT KNOW ANY TRIBE OR ETHNICITY BUT THE LOCALS IDENTIFY THEMSELVES ACCORDING TO THEIR GROUPING. YORUBA HAD ALWAYS USED THE WORDS “IGBO"LONG BEFORE CONTACT WITH IBOS AND BEFORE THEY BEGAN TO USE IT IN 20th century . IN FACTS I DON'T DONT REFER TO YOU PEOPLE AS IGBO BUT IBOS. CHECK ALL MY WRITE UPS. JUST AS EDOS CAME UP AND COOKED A VERSION FOR ODUA THAT HE AND HIS GROUP WERE WEARING ROBE DURING THEIR TIME AS BEEN ONE IZODUWA FROM OGODOMIGODO WHO REMAIN UNKNOWN .AND AND ALMOST LAY CLAIM TO THE WORD OBA UNTIL THE CURRENT OBA RECOGNISED HIS ANCESTORS ORANMIYAN AS THE FIRST OBA IBINU/UBINU AND NOT OWOKA/OWO-MI-KA(EWEKA).THE WORD OBA THAT'S BEEN PART AND PARCEL OF YORUBA NATION FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. OBATALA /OBALUFON ETC. EVEN YORUBA BIBLE WRITTEN SINCE 1844 USED THE OBA IN THE YORUBA VERSION OF THE BIBLE SEVERAL TIMES. YOU PEOPLE JUST LOVE TO TWIST HISTORY TO SUIT YOUR INTEREST.

NDI IN IGBO IS LIKE IDI IN YORUBA. IT IS THESAME WORD MEANING HOME BASE. NDI OWERRI MEANS OWERRI PEOPLE, NDI ONITSHA MEANS ONITSHA PEOPLE, NDI ANAMBRA IS ANAMBRA PEOPLE. SO, WHEN THEY GATHER, THEY ADDRESS THE GATHERING AS NDI GBO WHICH MEANS EVERYBODY. THAT IS HOW NDIGBO WAS ARRIVED AT. IT MEANS EVERYBODY.

Olu317:
NOT TRUE TO 80% SLAVE IN YORUBA CITY OR ANCIENT TIME. THOUGH IT WAS TRUE THAT ONE'S MASTER NAME GIVES PRESTIGE TO THE SLAVE WHEREVER SUCH GOES. HOWEVER, EVERY ONE KNOW HIS/HER POSITION IN SUCH HOUSEHOLD. OKO KI WA KO NI ALA BABA ATI OMO. EVEN FREEBORN HAVE CATEGORIES. KINGLY HOMES,NOBLE HOMES, AND CITIZENS WHILE POSITION OF SLAVES VARIES ACCORDING THE SAME RANKS. IN THE ANCIENT TIMES NON OF YORUBA CLANS HAD SLAVES EXCEPT FOREIGNERS ESPECIALLY PEOPLE FROM HAUSA/FULANI/EBIRA/TAPA/AGATU etc to tend to their farms and cattles . I STILL KNOW A SERVING FULANI MAN BEING WILLED TO A FAMILY FRIEND OF MINE EVEN IN TODAY'S NIGERIA.

IN THE PAST, ALL YORUBA BELONG TO AN AGBO ILE AND A TYPICAL TOWN IS MADE UP OF SEVERAL AGBO ILES OF WHICH THE KING'S COMPOUND MAY BE THE BIGGEST, BUT MANY AGBO ILE MAY BE ROYAL IN THESAME TOWN, HOWEVER ALL AGBO ILES HAVE THEIR TITLE HOLDER OR BAALE, OFTEN THE OLDEST PERSON THERE. IT CAN BE POSSIBLE FOR A SLAVE TO BE BAALE IF WELL RESPECTED BUT IF THE AGBO ILE HAS A SPECIAL TITLE, IT MAY NOT BE SO. OUTSIDE THAT MEMBERS OF THESAME AGBO ILE WHETHER SLAVE OR FREE BORN ARE BRETHREN. THEY DONT MARRY EACH OTHER SINCE THEY ARE FAMILY. IF THEY TRAVEL OUT, THEY HELP EACH OTHER AND BRING UP EACH OTHERS CHILDREN. YOU CAN MARRY FROM A DIFFERENT AGBO ILE. SLAVE CAN MARRY FREE BORN AND PEOPLE TRAVEL FOR BUSINESS AND TRADE. NO MOVEMENT RESTRICTION. HOWEVER, ONLY FREE BORNS ARE OGBONI MEMBERS SO AS TO REDUCE CROWD BUT A HIGH RANKING AND WELL RESPECTED SLAVE MAY ATTAIN OGBONI STATUS AS A RESULT OF CONTRIBUTION TO SOCIETY. WHEN YOU ADD EVERYTHING TOGETHER, YOU FIND THREE QUARTERS OF THE PEOPLE ARE SLAVES. NO BIG DEAL THERE AND SOMETHING SIMILAR WAS THE CASE ACROSS THE GLOBE TO ENSURE FULL EMPLOYMENT UNDER COMMUNISM WHERE NO ONE IS LEFT BEHIND.

Probz:
Na wow for this guy. Chineke.

FORTUNES DO CHANGE IN AN INSTANT. THAT IS OYA!. IF YOUR FORTUNE IS REVERSED FROM ROYALTY TO SLAVE, THEN YOU PRAY FOR A GOOD MASTER AND YOUR ORI WILL LEAD YOU THERE. YOU WILL MAKE IT THERE. IT IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.

Probz:
Not that your whole post isn't total bull but the emboldened jumped out to me. On what planet is being easier to sell into slavery a good thing? You're actually saying it's better to be all-trusting and naive than stubborn and rebellious (aka Igbo slaves) in the face of being dragged away from your homeland and stripped of your identity.

I'd rather be less easy to deal with if it meant not being sold to masters across the Atlantic and subjected to nothing short of inhumanity but that's just me. Just be careful what you type and how intelligent it makes you sound when you blow your omo Yoruba propaganda.

TO BE A SLAVE WAS NOT A NEW THING FOR YORUBAS. YOU GET?. A TYPICAL HOUSEHOLD CONSISTS OF SLAVES AND FREEBORNS WORKING ALONGSIDE EACH OTHER. SLAVES AND FREE BORNS INTERMARRY FREELY. SLAVERY WAS TO MAKE EVERYBODY BELONG SOMEWHERE, CHIP IN SOMEWHERE. IF I AM A SLAVE IN A PROSPEROUS HOUSEHOLD, I MIGHT BE RICH AND IF I AM OFFERED FREEDOM, I WONT TAKE IT BECAUSE I ENJOY THE RANK OF MY MASTER IN PUBLIC. PEOPLE FEAR ME BECAUSE OF MY MASTER. SO WHY WILL I HATE SLAVERY? ABEG WISE UP! A TYPICAL YORUBA CITY CONTAINED 80 PERCENT SLAVES. ALL WERE SLAVES EVEN.

bigfrancis21:
Hahaha. The difference between you and I is that I deal in facts, you deal in fantasy. Until you come up with proof to back up your 'fantasy', goodbye Akin the dreamer.

YOU ARE UNEDUCATED AND IGNORANT. I SHOULD NOT BE BANTERING WORDS WITH YOUR KIND. YOU IGBOS FAIL TO REALISE, THE BULK OF YOU ARE NEW ENTRANTS ON THE WORLD STAGE. AS AT MID 19TH CENTURY. IGBOS WERE AT THE LEVEL OF ADVANCEMENT OF THE KOMA PEOPLE RECENTLY DISCOVERED IN ADAMAWA. YET YOU EXPECT TO BE OF SAME PEDIGREE AS PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN AT NATION BUILDING SINCE TIME BEGAN? THAT MAKES NO SENSE!. ANCIENT IGBOS CONFINED THEMSELVES TO THEIR VILLAGES. HOW CAN YOU COMPARE THEM TO YORUBAS WHO KNEW AND RELATED WITH OTHERS FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS?. YOU BETTER STOP EXHIBITING YOUR IGNORANCE.