₦airaland Forum

kerry57:
But y is our system this bad. Bicycle have been replaced, what is he still doing in the prison for God's sake. This matter will be swept under the carpet as usual cos in this country nobody fights for the masses.

Well, in most of the Actual abroad nations - not the ones Nigerians Imagine - you remain liable to prosecution at the discretion of the relevant proprietor even on returning stolen goods. If already charged successfully in court - and I imagine charged to court by prior process including police - you will remain a criminal suspect irrespective of returning the stolen property.


...forgot to add that in Real abroad as opposed to Imagined abroad, deaths, while in custody, unfortunately frequently occur. but lest I forget the humanity of the situation, condolence to the family concerned. And best wishes for the future...

Even if a thing is not done elsewhere what is wrong with us doing it our own way, informed by our own independent reasoning? After all, the most important thing is Result so long as it is achieved within the remits of the law or not considered by the law.

We Nigerians are unique in Africa for thinking for ourselves, evident in the oft refrain, ' why do we do things differently in this Nigeria!" hope we don't lose this quality.

We will never stand the chance of some day leading the world in something, or being the blacks likely to invent something if we lose the ability to do things our own way and become like the rest of Black Africa, a people only capable of aping whites.

Even Fela sang about the folly of always wanting to follow others instead of thinking for ourselves.

There is a lesson here for the younger Nigerians. See what is going on here ? At the heart of the insecurity destroying Nigeria, the nugget on which tribalism, terrorism, secessionism, banditry and the rest feed and flourish is Ignorance of the significant many, for the many, by the many. When you tear away all the addons such corruption, Igbo this and Yoruba that; civil war here and lord Lugard there, what Wikie did and Obassano didnt, PDP this and Leki that , these significant ignorant and arrogant people feel that something is wrong with Nigeria based on what they don't even know about the better they think happens abroad. Believe it or not, this is at the very centre of our current insecurity difficulties. Remember, we modern Africans don't have a tactile primordial past of excellence which to reference as lost glory to be regained, no resent pre-colonial nations of significant magnitude , we primarily look to the West or Middle Eastern models of Nationhood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOHNpqqYpic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQy_B1zMWRs

There you go:

for those of you that believe that everything Nigerians do is wrong unless it happens abroad. The abroad one was worst but they didn't call themselves stupid.

So bloody what?

Too many on Niaraland seem easily manipulated. Too many of you have been psychologically defeated by the media. You have been conditioned to hate yourselves . I bet if someone posts a picture of a family having a meal together in Nigeria and headlined it , "A Family Seen Eating Together In Ajegunle !!" many of you would automatically respond with, "Oh Nigeria" or . "which way Nigeria", or " Dis Country tire me!".

Post, "Nigerians Were Seen Breathing In and Out!!!" and some Niaralander somewhere will post, "oh this shithole, why was i born in Nigeriaaaa!"

Targeting a Nations farmers in order to cause famine and then as much reliance on international aid and food importation as possible has all the hallmarks of foreign sponsorship and strategic planning , specifically by the West.

I'm already getting info from some parts of Nigeria that food is getting scarcer.

I would advice any reading this that are in Nigeria to consider or plan to grow stuff in their yard or arrange allotments in collaboration with others. Due to increasing modernity, Nigerians are doing much less of this than before. During the East Africa famine years, UN came to Nigeria to find out how and why Nigeria never suffered from starvation in contrast to much of Africa and this in spite of her huge population. They identified, as a major contributory factor, that majority of Nigerians, rural and urban , kept livestock or and grew things in their backyards.

l've been writing on niaraland about the importance of evidence seeking in Nigeria. I believe however a part of this is due to my not
accepting that any Nigeria peoples are capable of murdering a pregnant woman let alone one with children and killing those children in addition. Especially not Igbo people with their huge compassion for life and deep, deep sense of life's pathos. I still doubt that any such killing took place especially were many are present.

Among the big three, currently, only Yoruba can lay claims to the moral high-grounds; none, among the remaining two, could convincingly argue on the world stage that they are the innocent persecuted. Ordinary, everyday Nigerians are now becoming the victims of the major tribes or in the name of the major tribes..

A level below Banana Republic is required and I propose Child Soldier Republic. If you study the Liberia, Sierra Leone and, to some extent, Rwanda conflict ,moments arose when one caught a glamps of the type of nation that would arise under the leadership of stark illiterates and children. I mean the bloodiest, most ramshackle and destructive periods. William Golding first articulated this concept in his novel, Lord of the flies. Yet even he would not have imagined the dystopian hellholes realised during the three African conflict mentioned above.

Nigeria is not a Child Soldier Republic. Government, governors and the relevant superstructure representative need to be more involved in informing the public.

Issues as importin as this for Nigeria, with their far reaching implications, shouldn't police be making media/televised statements ? What of the State governor, is part of his remit not reassuring the public, updating them on outstanding or and extraordinary issues ?

Disorganisation is a huge part of Nigeria's problem.

Nigerians really need to rely on evidence, in cases such as these especially. You need pictures, videos, televised witness interviews , police statements etc. Nigeria is way above this level of Liberia Child Soldiers Republic.

Care for the so called masses isn't about allowing them to do as they please on the precept that higher powers of state did not provide their needs which are in any case uncertain since the efficacy of what needs are is on the shifting sands of relativity.

Authorities does some things, could always do more but are not to be held prisoners by thire shortcomings. You and I could do more: provide some things in the form of creating work, doing charity, investing in clubs and foundations, educating, providing discounted food places etc.

If you force the state to nanny the masses it may one day do as the British did by creating Poor Laws. One day the British became fed up of the poor masses littering London and constituting an eyesore on the reputation of London. So they swept the poor aside by institutionalising them. You could be sentenced by law to the Poor Houses or mental asylums. But one way or another, you're off the streets. This is how they cleaned up in the early days.

Just as stray dogs are taken from the streets to the dog ponds in America or dog-homes in UK, the poor could be carted off to homes for the poor unless you had evidence of being able to take care of yourself or and family. People kept in poor houses had to do all sorts of labouring work for the state to pay for the meals fed them and the home. Many were thought Trades and so on. Of course, you could escape all of this , avoiding capture by the system, which meant leaving fearfully on the streets like a fugitive.

Fairmedia:
So it's better for them to stay in those villages, rather than come constitute nuisance in Lagos...I don't see why any reasonable person will leave his village and come live in bacha or pako house in Lagos.

Indeed. And if you're going to leave your village and go to the city, be ready to adapt as best as you can instead of going there to complain day and night.

When I was young, my family were in unquestionable porverty, we lived in shame because we believed we could do better and we were failing because of our inabilities. But now so called poor people seem to swagger in their role as poor and wallow in belief of what they feel they are entitled to get from the state but are not getting because they don't live in London. It's so frustrating.

Clear roads, you can't because poor people are entitled to jobs; clear slums, you can't because poor people are entitled to live there since the state did not build them homes; develop the space industry, you can't because poor people are entitled to first consideration; clear the roadside of sharks and all sort of junk construct, you can't because poor people stay in these places to sell things; toll roads to generate cash necessary to maintain the roads, you can't because poor people can't afford to pay even though they can afford cars; enforce road laws and cleaning, you can't because poor people need places to shit and piss since the state did not provide them toilet

Man no go hear word for the poor and their wahala. They are in the North East slaughtering and in the East killing all in the name of We are poor!

Fairmedia:
To stay Lagos is not by force, the state government can not compromise on security and welfare of Lagosians because of you.
Lagos is not for poor people.

Most Nigerians have land in their villages. Is an individual with land to his name actually poor?

Dickjo:

christians?.....and how about the muslims?

Same:

Islam, Christianity, Buddhism - I mean foreign religions poisoning Africa ,all of them...

Dickjo:
Povaty? bro who care about povaty people.. Poooor people are useles & shuld get outta Nigeria. they usually arm robber.
useless people!!!!(no ofeinse)

The beginning of wisdom helpful to developing the state is the realization that poor people have responsibilities too and do not just exists as objects for state responsibility . Africa is held hostage by the tyranny of religious infantilizing and venerating of the poor. The "Poor" is a universal weapon. It may even be that those with access to power deliberately keep the so-called "Poor" poor in order to use the Poor weapon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP0qfFAEBsE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-abQ226CpEw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vHuldVlpFA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTQ55rGDBxA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jmNzlTd09E

ZombieTAMER:
the Fiji officer in question was suspended from duty pending investigations..
watch it again.

Indeed. But you seem to indicate that it does not happen in "saner climates" and not that it shouldn't happen in sane clims. I get that you're suggesting, by his suspension, that it isn't Fijian Police policy.

Besides I've been on a bus in the UK in which police boarded and detained the driver. You might argue that, obviously, in exceptional instances, police reserved the right to board the relevant bus and detain the driver. However this leaves the question what type of circumstances and how would police perspective versus the public perspective determine the right circumstances.

ZombieTAMER:
In saner climes, no police officer will jump into a bus to arrest the driver.

I'm supposing Fifi doesn't fulfil your Sane Clime criteria but I'm sure when I was in secondary school, UK, police boarded a bus I was in and detained the driver . We all had to change bus.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY2oQQEY41A

The best poor people are traditional poor people, those from villages. The worst are Modern poor people - specifically those found in shanty towns and ghetto places where they live valueless lives shod off traditional morals or uninformed by middle and elite sensibilities.

A small African nation's entire military arsenal right there on that table

if everyday Nigerians (you are the silent majority) are no smart and collectively try to resist theses Sit-At-Homes now in these early stages, eventually, you all will be overrun by groups forcing you to sit at home. This is how the Kidnappings industry began in Nigeria. You Nigerians will be faced with a Sit At Home Industry if you don't resist NOW!.

When the Delta Militants exploited the criminal act of kidnappings as a political tool, criminals soon started copying the militants. The militants were not about kidnapping for selfish economic benefits and hated criminals that were copying them and kidnapping but militants did nothing because they benefited from the atmosphere of fear these criminals created in society and for government. Eventually, however, kidnappings overwhelmed everyone - the people , the militants and the government.

Conclusion.

How will you Nigerians eventually differentiate between political Sit At Home for political benefits and Criminal Sit At Home for criminal benefits ?

Ultimately, Nigeria's dysfunctional Law and Order industry - or ecosystem if you prefer - is the cause of the ever deteriorating security situation throughout Nigeria. Nigeria needs more polices officers, need to train and raise their salary, need to provide them with better facilities, build flat roofed, walled off police stations; we need more prisons and need to be ruthless in imprisoning law breakers; we need to reform the judicial system and so. All nations have issues since they have humans. In the absence of law and order, these issues can make peace or relative peace untenable.

Absence of organisational acumen in the county is the cause of failure in the system. Also our institutions and efforts stand alone; that is, they don't exist in ecosystems. We need to create ecosystems. The things we create arn't nourished by Feeders.

Corporate2020:
Ibos shouldn't be killing fellow Ibos or making life difficult for our brothers and sisters

Who should they be killing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrMuO45CpNc

People that descend, thoughtlessly, on an individual and lynch them for whatever reason are redeemable but those that premeditate an act of evil are largely irredeemable. You take a mere boy, possibly retarded, accused of stealing, put him to work in gutter without protective clothing, make him dance for food, film him and place it online and all really because your intention is to humiliate a nation and her people and at the same time benefit financially from these acts in the form of YouTube Clicks.

If your intention is to showcase Ghana's "humanity" and set example, its efficacy aside, why not upload Ghanaian thieves benefitting from this. Surely there are many examples readily available since presumably, in Ghana, people are regularly never lynched, are made to perform a public services, fed and given girlfriends. And such episodes filmed.