₦airaland Forum

Maadoo:
Stop talking gibberish. Yorubas are migrants in Lagos

And who are the true indigenes? The British? Oba Kosoko and Dosumu and others are what exactly? What is the demography of the total population in 1911 as stated in the picture?

Igboid:
Nothing complex about Nigeria.
The minorities in South will be fine.
Nigeria is not more complex than Yugoslavia or USSR or bigger. But they all broke.

Yorubas should stop scaremongering or trying to use threats of evil or harm to keep unwillingly partners in Nigeria, it will not work.

Embrace Odua republic if you have dignity. If you don't, let those who want out to leave while you enjoy what ever is remaining of Nigeria with Hausa-Fulanis. You already have a good template for a peaceful coexistence country with them in Ilorin. I believe you can do it on a bigger extent by fully uniting the rest of Yorubaland with Hausa-Fulani lands.

Each to their own.

No one is stopping you from anything. Yorubas don't have anything to lose if Nigeria remains one or not, so ofua republic is not a priority.

In your agitation, I personally urge you lot to act smartly this time around so your children don't play victim for mine. All you have been doing with your so called Biafra is just noise making -- no substantial progress! More like a blackmail. So please make real moves and I would applaud you. And if you lot are using your Biafra agitation to bargain for 2023, then I would personally tell it has failed. People cant be cowed that way.

I would repeat, Nigeria is not easy to split safely, though I wish the sincere secessionist amongst you the best.

tamdun:
A nation is a group of people in geographical location, wthe the same language, culture/way of life. We have nothing in common in this country, good or bad, housa man will always support his people, same goes for yoruba and Igbo, let's just devide this country and be at peace

it is not as easy as you think. What of the minorities and their land?

In short, Nigeria is a very complex problem.

Iegendhero:
As for the SS, they should do what is in their interest too and vote anyone where they think their right will be protected.

I love this part!

[quote author=Maadoo post=89645456][/quote]did Yoruba people force the British and other Nigerians to migrate to Lagos? We were doing just fine before the British came to "stop slave trade". The French also stole our other port and town in Ajase (port Novo, Benin republic). how come it is our lands they are stealing and making capitals? The first capital in the south was Calabar with an access to the ocean, but they moved it to Lagos, why? Ajase has also been the capital of Benin republic, why?

Obviously, oil contributed to the development of Lagos, but you people can never erase the earlier work of our fore-fathers, never! They started the work, the whites hijacked it, and Nigerians is enjoying it now! So you owe them some gratitude!

Abacha moved the capital to Abuja, so you guys should rejoice because we would (or should have or are) turn it to another Ibadan as you claimed. Mind you Oyo state's gdp is the 4th in the country and the the Ibadan you claim we underdeveloped contributes over 70% to the gdp of Oyo state.

nku5:
All your post shows is that God created the waterside and coastlines

The British built the ports in the 1850s to accommodate their large vessels which they used to ship resources from the hinterland to their country.

Yorubas have not built any port till date

and who owns the land the British and the French stole? what many of you don't know is that Before these people came to hijack our land we have been using the coastlines of Lagos and port Novo to trade with Europeans. am sorry if this doesn't make you happy.

IVORY2009:
The men that spoiled this country

when are you releasing your book?
by the way, this country is very complex.

Kyase:
hmmm, i dont have problem with the stats entirely, i only have question on that south east and benue vs kogi........ every other one is believable

this is a question for financial experts. who would have taught Kano is as poor as it is today. it used to be one of the biggest cities in west Africa. so something must have gone wrong with enugu too.

one thing am certain about is that, the guys at NBS would not be stupid to release false and arbitrary result, because we have too many people in the country that would burst their bubble.

Kyase:
There are some things that dont need stats to ascertain if they are true or not, how can you tell me the most industrialized set of people in african are that poor oga..... SEE BEAT ME FROM TODAY TILL THY KINGDOM COME I NO GO BELIEVE THAT SHIIIIT

You are this and that, are all audio statistics. Ask your people in the board of the NBS how the result was arrived at. Go to the NBS website to see those their board.

How come you are the only ones disputing the result? My advice, you should step up! That is why they release those stats in the first place. All the best!

Kyase:
explain how benue is poorer than kogi.......
or enugu than benue

proeast

I would repeat again, show me an alternate stats to prove otherwise. Arguing without stats would need us nowhere!

Kyase:
don't tell me you believe that nonsense by nbs?

Do you have an alternate statistics? Please show us!

Kyase:
everybody fought for Nigeria oga, even the igbos[ikwere in mind]

Let them continue playing victim! That would not stop the fact that they are the poorest in southern Nigeria. The north central should have also done well for themselves if not the instability in their region.

Igboid:
llakes4real



At least we agree that you were not feeding the East and that the East were not asking you to feed us.




Really? There are Yorubas in the East? Hallelujah someone, is our God not a great God.
Thought your people said our region is abandoned and that none of you are here

IPOB is an unarmed organization. Igbos are Christians we are not Muslims, we don't kill strangers in our land, we don't threaten to drown them in lagoon, we don't stop them from voting on election day with touts, we don't carry placards asking them to leave our land like some people do.
All we ask of them is this : Don't oppose our Biafra movement, don't commit crimes. Do this and we are good.

There are Christians that have done worst crimes, so look for another excuse. The ones amongst you that are carrying AK47 are what exactly?

This is the point.
You are not in position to tell us how to go about our Biafra agitations. We didn't solicit for your support. We don't need your advice, keep them where the sun don't shine.
All we are asking is for you to stay off our agitation. Mind your own business. We don't want to share a country with you, deal with it.

Malay federation didn't wait for Singapore parliamentary members to vote for secession. They simply constituted a quorum and legally ejected Singapore from the Malay federation.

If you want to help us, ask not about what we are doing or not doing to get Biafra. Just help eject us legally from Nigeria by getting your law makers to act.
If you can't do this, then stay out of our way and mind your own business.

And which of your politicians have come out to declare forba Biafra state? Or you expect everyone to hold onto the rants of kanu and your likes? Push your politicians to declare and then you can claim Nigeria is holding down your destinies.

At least, this time it would on record we warned you about your method. I wish you all the best!

Bekool:
The fulanis will never agree to the restructuring of Nigeria they know they will greatly be exposed and rendered vulnerable to their enemies one united nigeria is like a shield and cover that they hide under to oppress and also easily steal the resources of other ethnic groups in nigeria.

I don't think they are hiding under Nigeria but Hausa people. The Hausa are the ones they have been using to gather the influence they have in this country. They have impoverished the Hausa people and rendered many of them useless. Their population is just about 20 million and Hausa about 60 million but they control everything in the so called union called "hausa-fulani". I know one day we would all sort ourselves out.

Igboid:
Stop this already.
Biafra was not asking to be fed by Nigeria. We had money to buy our own food supplies. Nigeria blockaded the sea and airspace making it impossible for Biafra to bring in food. No one was ever begging Nigeria for food.
Weaponization of starvation as a war strategy is a war crime today.

Thank God you said today. As at 1970 it was fair game and it would have been stupid of them to allow their enemy access to anything when they had the power to prevent it. So anything about starvation and blockage is just pure emotional blackmail.

We are not blaming anyone. We just want you Yorubas to stay off our backs. Stop convulsing at the sound of Biafra. We don't want to share a country with you, be contented with yourself and let us be.
Every time Biafra comes up on NL or social media platforms, it's usually Yorubas dying on top of it. Your people committed the highest war crimes in Biafra, from Adekunle who shot at anything that moves in Ph, to Taiwo who masterminded the Asaba massacre, you just can't contain yourselves.
You don't see Igbos caring about your Oduduwa republic.

Actually, most Yoruba people don't care about your Biafra, but the tactics employed by Igbo people (aka IPOB) is what we are reacting to. Many of us have family members in the SE, and the last thing we want to read in the news is that some hate filled persons terminated their life. Many of us don't want another war so we are proactively cautioning you now.

If truly the SE wants your Biafra why has your politicians not come out publicly to support it? And if they are uninterested because of their corruption, what stops you from registering a political party and push your agenda through it? This way you even stand the chance of claiming the whole of SS for yourselves, because their acceptance of this political party would mean they are very interested in your Biafra. With your new platform you hold whatever referendum you wish since you are certain the people are behind you.

pocohantas:
“I don’t eat beans, but I eat ewa agoyin”, a friend once said this to me and I was like “se this one is okay like this?”



The rest you can figure out.

Thank you!

diplomat058:
Yea, bro. That is the beauty of democracy. What I don't understand are the allegations of infidelity/betrayal that some people are peddling as if we had some covenants way back.

It is just blackmail and you are the one entertaining it! You need to the way they gloat about the capture of the mid-west to the bini people and they also wished us the same fate as the bini.

How can you lose a war and blaim the victors? The US destroyed Germany in WW2 and you don't see any German playing victim for that. Very funny people!

Igboid:
He was promoting starvation policy to help Nigeria win the war and keep Biafra. But somehow, you believe and want us to believe he wasn't against secession of Biafra, he just enjoys starving Biafrans, incredible.

Why do you keep playing victim for this? It was a war and you don't expect your enemy to be feeding you! You created your own money but it never crossed your mind that you should source for food for your people? Should the Nigeria army also provide you weapons to kill them too? And when you saw that people were dying of starvation, why didn't you surrender? Is that also the fault of the victors? Please get real and stop blaming others for your deficiencies!

Yorubas and other Nigerians did what they felt was best for them. Even the minorities "betrayed" you because it was in their best interest to do so! Why do you blame only Yoruba people for your lose?

Esseite:
If the Amended electoral act was pushed because of timeframe and closeness to 2023 election, why cant the push it again to start a trial with Edo, Ondo, Anambra, Ekiti, Osun, Kogi and then the 2023 General election..

Are we really pushing to grow as a Nation?..

There are too many mischievous people in Nigeria.

The national president, Middle Belt Forum, Dr Bitrus Pogu, in this interview with ISAAC SHOBAYO, speaks on the admission of the Biafra and the Yoruba nations by the Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organisation (UNPO) as its members and the controversies trailing the recognition, especially in the northern part of the country.

WHAT is the position of the Middle Belt on the recognition given to the Yoruba and Biafra people by UNPO?

The Middle Belt is still consulting, but we are with the Afenifere, Ohanaeze Ndigbo and PANDEF. We will discuss further and this is a struggle that we believe in. We are still studying the situation. These groups are better organised than us. Afenifere and Ohanaeze are better organised. The reason is simply that they are more of monolithic group, while our is a heterogeneous group with nearly 200 nationalities.

The recognition is currently generating controversies, especially in the northern part of the country. What do you make of that?

It is a good development that they have been admitted as UNPO members. If this contraption called Nigeria is not working, why should we continue to pretend that all is well? We have a lot of nationalists among the Yoruba nation likewise in the Middle Belt and the Eastern part of this country. But some people continue to create problems for other groups in the country. Why do we have Boko Haram and Almajiri in the North? They are a nuisance. If some people don’t want to progress, they should not stop others who want to progress or are progressives. All of us subscribe to one Nigeria, but that one Nigeria should be renegotiated. Let us have true federalism so that we can stay together. If some people are tired of being lumped in a group that is making progress impossible, such people should be allowed to go. A common electoral system some people don’t want it to work because they want to continue to manipulate the system to have their way. Why shouldn’t people revolt? What they are doing can be resolved in one way, that is we all embrace true federalism. If we do this, there will be no IPOB, Biafra or Oduduwa Republic.

But the belief in some quarters is that the recognition by UNPO is not legitimate and also not recognised by the constitution…(cuts in)

The issue of legitimacy or not is subject to interpretation. I am not a legal person to interpret whether it is legitimate or not but one thing I know is that our constitution allows freedom to associate. And if they feel that is the way of protest, it is okay. But all we are saying is that let this country work through federalism. It may not come at once, but let us take it gradually and start moving. Let each federating unit develop its resources so that each can survive on its own. Let us give a time frame within which this can be achieved. It might be five years or ten years maximum. I can assure you that all these agitations will go.

Is such recognition healthy for the country at the moment?

Those who created the problems we are battling in the country should determine whether it is healthy or not. You don’t cage people and use intimidation and blackmail to keep them in line. That is not how things are supposed to work. The National Assembly should look at this development with all seriousness and ask: why did we come this far? The simple answer is let us go through federalism, let things work, let the electoral system work so that INEC will not just be doing whatever it likes. Let us go electronic. Why wouldn’t the president sign the amended Electoral Act? If things are working rightly in this country, this would not happen. Let us look at the problem, the whole problem, the root cause of the problem rather than proffering solutions to the symptoms.

Are you saying all these can be achieved through restructuring?

This is what we have been clamoring for. We need to restructure and if we restructure, all these agitations will disappear.


It is like there is a misconception about this restructuring. In what way are you looking at it?

Every section of this country knows what they need. Those of us in the Middle Belt have been struggling right from the Independence under a yoke which has become burdensome. We want states for our people. Look at Nasarawa, since it was created some people outside the state determine who becomes the governor and the indigenes hardly move to the seat and this is happening all over the place. People are coming in and killing others at will and no arrest is made. When you cry, nobody listens to you. People like us in the North want more states where our people can express themselves and live peacefully. Secondly, we want state police where our people can protect themselves appropriately. Even this resource control, there is nothing bad about it. All the federating units in this country are viable; they have adequate mineral resources that they can fall back on. If we can follow this, Nigeria will be better for it.

But because the centre is so lucrative, they would do anything possible to install their own. That is not good and healthy for this country. Each section of this country has its interests, I just mentioned two, there are so many others. Every state has potential. Those that are interested in controlling their oil let them have it. I want to say that oil is not the most lucrative resource in the world. In this country, we have to explore human resources and technology. So, each unit simply contributes to the centre, those things that need to remain at the centre for our common good will remain. If we embrace restructuring and move to federalism, all these agitations by Igbo, Yoruba and others will stop.

But the feeling is that federal character to some extent has not taken care of some of these agitations.

Everybody at the top wants to do whatever they want to do and they will do it without being questioned because our president is the most powerful president in the world. When you said every state must produce a minister each, does that reflect a federal character, especially when every other appointment is going to one section now? This is the time to reflect and take action that would allay our fears. The recognition of the Yoruba nation or the people of the South West by the UNPO is a welcome development.

https://tribuneonlineng.com/we-are-in-support-of-yoruba-biafra-admission-into-unpo-middle-belt-president/

bakynes:
1. The emergence of a Southern President, that will stylishly restructure the military to take away the dominance of the North. Remember the North dominate the military without that no Southern tribe will be able to secede.

And you think the core northerners would not notice? That is what they have been investing in all these years! Do you know all the headquarters of our military agencies are in the north. Even some people in the north central would frustrate the effort of such president. The violence the whole country is experience now would be child's play! A Buhari can do the nonsense he is doing now because he knows the power behind him, but no southern can try it. That was why an Obasanjo just had to follow their dictate, because he understands the repercussion.

On a second thought if we had a president who would not care about the unity of this country, he could just frustrate them them to carry out their violence. And then the whole country rise against them. This would lead to war, but the South and some north central would unite together to fight the common enemy.

2. Another Civil War that both this time the Igbos or Yoruba must win the war without any other side supporting the North like we Yorubas did when we supported the North.

Another civil war might be dangerous for Yoruba people, because we are sympathetic to both the North and South. Which might need to a split amongst us. There are core Muslims in Yorubaland who would follow the Fulani and Hausa to the grave and their are Yorubas who have intermarried and have strong relationships with Igbo people and SS people. So I don't pray we experience another war, because we don't have a single leader like Awolowo to direct things.

I also don't like the way things are. The annoying part I really had high hopes for Buhari. I expected the man to be fair, but the man has so far disappointed me big time.

I would repeat the only safe way Nigeria can rethink our structure is if there is an economic crisis that those big men like Danjuma, stop getting oil money and the whole country becomes very broke. We are almost at that point now, but many are still expecting the oil price to rise.

A major economic crisis might also lead to the dissolution of the country, but I don't pray for this either because there would be various intertribal wars for lands. So many tribes are intertwined and separating us from each and awarding land to all needs some thinking.

nisai:

I don't know who stops them from picking the PDP ticket!

kingawothefirst:
Presidency in 2023 first, then we restructure our own terms

DuwaRepublic:
This should be the plan.

No southern Nigeria president can restructure Nigeria! We don't have the power! Unless you want to cause another civil war. Even big men in the south who are enjoying the present rot in the system don't want the country restructured! Our only hope is an economic crisis. The same way Covid19 is making northern governors rethink almajiri system is the same way this way all our leaders would rethink the country's structure.

nijabazaar:
No. It's not bigotry darling. It's the reality.

Unless you are new here, which is I suspect, all the voracious attackers of biafra here are the Yorubas. Check the Biafran threads here, any critic of Biafra has a Ypruba monikers or known yoruba affiliations.


So, I still conclude that my dog has the greatest chance at forming five word syllables than an influential Yoruba convincing his people on the need to secede from Nigeria.

The yorubas like Nigeria as it is. And why is that? It could all be a primal fear of venturing into the unknown. They, the Yorubas and her affiliates , would rather stick to familiar grounds

And the Yoruba people calling for restructuring are what? For years Yoruba have been preaching restructuring but you guys and the north didn't listen because you were scared the South west and south south would better.

diplomat058:
Well, your conclusion reeks of hasty generalization induced by bigotry of mindset. Many Igbos on this forum too hardly discuss Biafra without calling Yorubas sorts of derogatory names, but I don't use their shameful dispositions to conclude that the Igbos are antithetical to Yoruba progress. This is especiall of Nnamdi KANU who always calls Yorubas hateful names on radio Biafra

Many of them lack respect! Something is deficient in their upbringing.

nijabazaar:
Can I mention biafra without a Yoruba going berserk?
Even in my office, I get attacked for showing the slightest of sympathy to Biafran causes. All my attackers are yoruba and the staff is diverse. The northern often appear non plussed. But the Yorubas will drown you with Reasons why Nigeria is the best paradise on earth

It's a cause vs effect thing.

You guys love Nigeria and will die for her.

Because many are not thinking about post
Nigeria. If Nigeria breaks up the way you guys want, I promise you we will spend the next 20 years fighting each other for land.

We have to sit down and decide who owns and takes what. The mistake of South Sudan should not be repeated by us in this information age.

Odingo1:
Yoruba don't want anything in Nigeria, they are just satisfied with Igbo marginalization and hoping that power will keep on rotating between yoruba and north but in 2023 they will kiss the dust in Nigeria politics and they will never recover in the long run. No future, no ambition, nothing just hope to be receiving monthly allocation from Abuja from Niger delta oil and thats all.

To you people everything is oil money. Even if Yoruba lose out in 2023 we will do fine for ourselves as we have done since independence. So it is nothing new!

flokii:
We had it once you know.. until the Nzeogwu coup and emergence of Aguiyi Ironsi as Head of State.

What makes you think another "ironsi" won't rise tomorrow to abolish the true federalism?

Then Nigeria ceases to exist!

[quote author=omonnakoda post=89611599][/quote]Okay

Ayekotoo:
Don't put word in my mouth. I never said Kwara but ilorin, and there's no way a jihad would occur again in kwara when the humiliation they received by the Yorubas esp Ibadan warriors is still fresh in memories.

We should not be too confident and loose guard. These guys don't read history, so they might just be thinking they are trying a novel task.

omonnakoda:
Kindly show how I am confusing Ilorin with Kwara
That is a stupid thing to say
I am talking about Northern Nigeria protectorate as decided by the British. Where did they place those other parts of Kwara was it Northern Nigeria protectorate? Yes or no.
At independence in 1960 in which region was Offa and the rest of Kwara,Western region?

Try and comprehend before correcting people


That is a myth Ilorin was not controlled by Sokoto Caliphate. There is no evidence of such control. The so called caliphate did not control what we know as Niger state to the north of Kwara


What exactly was the Nature of this "CONTROL".

ILORIN existed as an independent enclave after breaking away from Oyo.

You don't have to be disrespectful when making your point -- am not your enemy.

And I was telling you that what criteria did they use to decide their Northern Nigeria protectorate? They conquered major parts of Nigeria and then sudden decided that "from here to here" is Northern protectorate. They did that because they did not really care about the people they grouped together, or they were just ignorant of these people's origin, or as some people said, to spite Awolowo and Yoruba people for the contribution to Nigeria's independence.

Ilorin was only an independent state under Afonja when he broke out of the Oyo Empire. And Alimi, in other to overthrow Afonja and capture Yoruba land aligned with the Sokoto caliphate. They gave him the forces to execute his plan. You don't want to tell me the Sultan did that without expecting nothing in return. I don't know about Niger State, but Ilorin I know!

omonnakoda:
Northern Nigeria was carved out by the British over 100 years ago and administered as such
Modern Kwara always was part of the Northern Region before 1914 amalgamation and until independence and then in 1967 when states were created it remained part of the "north"
Gowon created 6 states out of Northern Nigeria one of which was West Central State with Ilorin as capital,that was renamed Kwara . As more states were created Kwara has progressively reduced in size.

The Northern region had joint assets just like the other regions e.g In the Western region it was Odua Investment. Those assets and other ties mean that Kwara is better placed as a Northern province.

Ilorin particularly is a Muslim enclave and for that reason cannot sit comfortably in any other place.

You are confusing Ilorin with Kwara state. Ilorin was controlled by the Sokoto caliphate when the British came but not all the present day Kwara State. Those other places in Kwara have their obas which were restored after the fight back from the Yoruba aligned forces. But they were unable to recapture Ilorin.

The fact is that, the British ignorantly divided this country. The same way Europeans divided Africa!