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musKeeto: So if Nigeria plays in the Champions league, because our African neighbours won't play us, you would say we're in Europe?

1) Nigeria cant play in the champions league, it has to have relationships with Europe first. Isreal has numnerous tade agreements with Europe

2) Is itonly champions league they partake in when it comes to european matters?

musKeeto: Israel's in Asia. Is the Middle East in Europe?

Isreal is politically in Europe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93European_Union_relations

Have you ever wondered why they play in European Champions league?

musKeeto: Israel's in Asia, right?

Isreal is in Europe

Image123: All these things were already predicted in scriptures, you're late. Iniquity would abound, love of many will wax cold, evil men will wax worse and worsest. BTW, western countries are not the bedrock of christianity, you dishonest fellow. Like i said, look into the future, think big. Forget the scores at half time, i've told you full-time scores.

Is the pope not from italy?

Did christianty not come from Europe to your country?

Is Isreal not in Europe?


The West is the bedrock of christianity today.



Christianiy is in turmoil and in the future, people will classify Jesus as the same with Zeus- a myhtology. It's inevitable

Image123: You need to love this guy, iguess the answer catch for badplace, he say i do ojoro.
I didn't say that people with diseases are sinners, stick to what i say. I said sin brings darkness and death. It was adam's sin that introduced sickness, sorrow, pain, death on humanity. When there was light, there was no sickness. Everything was preserved. That's why i used a freezer analogy. i didn't say that the world is in a freezer. You need those glasses. i said the world is the freezer i.e in my analogy of freezer, light, meat, soup.

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So, Adam created sickness? Even with your theory, we can still say that God created sickness incase Adam sinned.

Image123: i'll show you how. Have you being praying secretly, i'm being gentle on you today?
It's like in a deep freezer, you have soup and meat and bread, which can be kept intact if there's light. If this light went, some organisms would begin to do things they didn't do with light. The earth/world is the freezer. Sin took that Light, and so we now see things we probably didn't even know were there. Sin brings darkness and death. That was what God warned Adam about.

Go and see a psychiatrist, your mental gymnastics has gone too far!You are not OK!


Sin causes diseases? So people with diseases are sinners


What the hell do you mean that the world was in a freezer? You are not OK

joe4christ: Maybe, just maybe the good lord whom you despised might give you insight into the true knowledge of his word cos i doubt if your shallow mind can grasp the following scriptures.


Matthew 20:26-28 - If you want to be great, you must be the servant of all the others. And if you want to be first, you must be the slave of the rest. The Son of Man did not come to be a slave master, but a slave who will give his life to rescue many people.


Mark 10:44-4

44 and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all. 45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.

Wow, how many versions of the bible did you omit to find one that uses the word "slave" where "servant" should be



Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant,
New Living Translation (©2007)
But among you it will be different. Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant,

English Standard Version (©2001)
It shall not be so among you. But whoever would be great among you must be your servant,

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"It is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;

International Standard Version (©2008)

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Did Jesus ever say that slavery was bad?

vedaxcool: really disagree all you want but direct your disagreement to the administrators not me, i am a visitor as well! nowhere did i say you should believe that Islam be treated specially on NL!

Thanks for your answer

D sage: 1. i believe in God because whenever i called upon his name,he answered my prayer.

2.I believe in God because,i thought he's the one that reveal it to me in my dream the future events in which i think not about.

3.I believe in God as a result of my inability to understand the soul/spirit.

There is quite the compelling evidence that prayer is not effective. For you to claim that God answers your prayers shows that you're a liar and a bit delusional.

Even if God answers your prayer, then your God is biased as there are millions suffering that pray everyday, yet nothing happesn. Why should God focus on you?

gidiMonsta: You don't listen much do you? I believe someone on this thread already told u that no Muslim country practices Islamic governance so your question on monarchy is irrelevant.

Islam may not be an advocate for democracy but the Qur'an places a high responsibility on leadership and government, it extols values that if adhered to will guarantee a system more people oriented than imperialist democracy.

Before you foolishly conclude that ideals of human rights are not in the Qur'an, I'll advise u pick a copy to read so you can see the folly of your ignorance.

Sorry, but the Koran has some difficulty with Human Rights. A muslim woman is not free to marry who she wants if the person is a non-muslim. It is not fair and it is clearly stated in the koran.

Also, the Koran permits polygamy.

Also, people have been punished for apostacy which is wrong.

vedaxcool: I agree with your first point that people try to discredit Islam by always pointing to places where they see strife, but like I indicated the fact that people are actively casting aspersions on Islam has in no way effected the wide spreads appeal people have towards Islam. I think people tend to be dishonest, just take a look at NL, people method of discussion always defy logic, you would notice discussion always leave the central theme and turns on to completely negate what it was suppose to address and worst of all even when you refute people points of view with cogent points rather than admit the simple fact and see the light they invent more questions . . . look closely at how kay will prove this simple point, each time he is cornered he will introduce a new deviation making it an endless loop of . . .

On point 2, the decision to make an Islamic section was and is the decision, whether muslims calmoured for it is totally irrelevant, the call was the that of the administrators of this webpage, and standard practice inn different place is that different sections are usually created for broad topics such as religion. Now does it show Islam is aggressive? I doubt that! if having your space is termed an aggression then South Sudan must a very aggressive bunch! and please every religion pushes its' agenda over others, I mean you would never see a christian say to muslims school me in Islam so that i can help you spread the word, I remember back in secondary school where I schooled was a secular school, yet some teachers tend to want to directly and overtly impose their religious customs on others. Now to claim that because Islam places in agenda over others because there is a specific section on NL for it is an over kill! when the decision was made to make Islam section NL and doubt whether Muslims where generally spoken to. To finish it, I think most people who make such remarks are the same people who cannot stand the sight of a muslim posting in the main section.

Thank you for your answer.


However, I still disagree with the separate Islam section. I believe in equality for all- either everyone gets their own section or everybody uses one section. Do you really want me to believe that Islam should be treated specially? Equality is the key here. If there was a section only for christians and every other religion had to share one section, I would stillsay hat it isnt fair.

OLAADEGBU: You need evidence of the existence of God? All you need is to do a bit of logical thinking, but if you need something from Him then you need faith and faith in God does not mean blind faith but faith based on the fact of God's existence seen clearly through creation.

creationism? Hasnt that been debunked enough?

ijawkid: @logicboy......
Definitly d ozone layer shuld be discussed too...becos due to its depletion we get sick...would u blame God for that
Mayb God created ciggerates too that r killing humans.....
U seem to always wanna blame God for everytin when we humans who act presumpteously cause our own problems......

Some1 said God created AIDS...and mayb even anthrax....
Many bioligical weapons r been produced,I believe God too is in charge of that too...right??

Or mayb u'll have no option bt to conclude that God created humans and humans created these diseases and so God shuld be blamed...
Science has caused so much havoc to d earth and yet u blame God..
God like he promised will definitly bring to ruin those ruining d earth......

Respect God even if u dnt believe in Him

Do you know what bacteria is?

D sage: Why calln me a lier for telln the truth?

Yes,agree with you,some pastors/priests are hypocrites to the core but stop geneneralizing.This thread is not to absurd or make you repent but to warned you against incessant copy and paste you're doing here.

My profile is evidence. Show me the cut and paste.

You are a liar.

Image123: If bacteria and fungi existed then in Genesis 1, they were not busy causing disease. You've failed again.

How is that possible? It's like saying that lions were not busy eating meat or fishes were not busy swimming.

It is some bacteria's nature to cause diseases

Image123: What do you mean by turmoil? What do you understand as Christianity? Look at the big picture, God's kingdom owns the future.

Every year, at least a gay pastor comes out

Atheists are growing in Western Countries which are the bedrock of christainity. Nigerian was never a christian country according to history.

Every year, the catholic church/pope gets lambasted for one scandal or the other.

Even preachers of different churches now have beef?



Concerning Nigeria, how do you think christianity came to Nigeria? Was it through slavery or peace?

vedaxcool: To start with the points u wrote are not cogent enough to doubt Islam survival. The above point hardly sell the threads' objective as whether conflicts in muslims distort or give muslims bad name, Islam itself remains pristin, have u noticed that with all the deliberate propaganda against Islam, the religion keeps gaining new adherents because the more they slander Islam the more people inquire about islam, like the conflicts u spoke of in places like libya, Yemen, Tunisia, Egypt were more of popular uprisings against dictators, tell me would people view Muslims bad because they rose to entrench democracy? You would agree with me this point is does not support ur hypothesis.



True the media have slandered Islam more than the devil have ever done, but tell me why 100s of years of anti-islamic propaganda have failed to destroy Islam! The west bias against islam not new, right from the reign of Christiandom till date the lies goes on yet we see something that defy logical explanation, Islam still expand to places it has never been. Remember there was no single Muslim to be found in western europe during the reign of the church now we find Muslims are nearly swarming the whole of Europe that some interest now hire the likes of Anders breviek to stop the 'Islamization' of Europe. You would agree this proves that Islam rather than declining is ascending to the very peak of relevance. You would agree again that your point hardly proves that Islam is anywhere near death!


You simply don't know Islamic history that is why u make statements like these, have ever heard of the khawarjies? They in fact spent great energy killing muslims, yet in the long run it fizzled out! So also BH will fizzle out, even if BH does not end, it can in no way kill all the Muslim in northern Nigeria neither will their ideology be accepted by the vast majority of Muslims, hence despite BH remains a big concern to most muslims it can not bring an end to Islam in northern Nigeria



Well, any non - muslim who feel such might be dishonest or simply naïve, as why don't such feelings extend to sections like tribalism where tribal bigots go to gloat over their tribes' supposed superiority or I better pass u thoughts? The fact that non - muslim come regularly to the Islamic section of NL clearly shows we muslims tolerate other faiths.

Thanks for your detailed answer. There are some of your statements I agee with, some I dont.


1) The points about political instability in some Islamic countries arise from many arguments on the internet that Islam always leads to loss of human rights, dictatorships and economic problems.I am not saying that the argument is true. The thing is that some non-muslim people (who disagree) point to these countries as evidence for such argument. That's why I asked to get muslims' views on this issue.


2) The point about there being a separate section on niaraland comes from my own perspective and some others comments on the religion section. Why should Islam get special treatment? Doesnt it show Islam as an aggressive religion that pushes for its own separate agenda over other religions?

Salaam- I am just asking these questions as an atheist to get muslims' point of view.

Image123: i'm going to be nicer. Control is different from creation. God is in control of every circumstance. Meaning that nothing balls out of God's control. Things have definitely 'gone out', but they're not out of God's control. But God did not create sickness or leprosy. He can control it though, if He pleases. There was no sickness or leprosy in Genesis 1and 2. Sickness and leprosy came after the 'genesis 3 fall'.

Then genesis 1 lied because bacteria and fungi existed then.

OLAADEGBU: To be an atheist you must be certain that there is no God, are you certain? For you to be certain you must have absolute knowledge of everything. Let's say that you draw a circle which represents all the knowledge in the entire universe, to be certain that there is no God you must know how many hairs are upon every head, every thought of every human heart, every detail of history, every atom within every rock, and nothing is hidden from your eyes, you will be certain that you know the intimate details of the secret love-life of the fleas on the back of the black cat of Napolean's great-grandmother, what amount of gold or petroleum there is in China and so on.

Same requirement to believe that there's a God- you need proof.

buzugee: God created leprosy.

DEUTERONOMY 28 VS 59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

DEUTERONOMY 28 VS 61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

and why does he do this ? 2 ESDRAS 16 VS 19 Famine, epidemics, troubles, and suffering are sent to punish and correct people

Buzugee. I knew you would come here with scriptural quotes. Mr Bible genius! Always reliable

OLAADEGBU: There is no such thing as an atheist, they don't exist. If you don't look for money why are you working? Are you working for charity?

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buzugee: yeah that pastor needs to be flogged for being a lying charlatan. who the heck gave him that title pastor ? what the heck is a pastor anyhow ? i have read the bible and have never come across that name pastor. only thing he raised from the dead is his bank account from collecting all em tithes and whatnot

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buzugee: its like this. you are an evil person messing with the lord treasure. who are the lords treasure ? ZECHARIAH 2 VS 8 for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye. The israelites are the apple of Gods eye and pharoah had them in slavery for like 300 or something years. how do you pay back someone who is messing with the apple of your eyes ? first off the lord knows the resiliency of pharoah. after the first plagues he probably would have been like OH LORD I AM SORRYYYYYYYYYYY OK YOU CAN HAVE YOUR PEOPLE BACK, I AM SORRY FOR ENSLAVING THEM FOR SO LONG AND USING THEM TO BUILD THE PYRAMIDS. but that would have negated the ferocity of the punishment that pharoah deserved. see, when you repent, the lord cannot punish you anymore because you have repented ISAIAH 6 VS 10 Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed." So as you can see, once you turn to the lord, he cant punish you anymore, he heals you, however if you deserve a lenghty punishment because you have done great evil, like pharoah, then what he does is HARDEN YOUR HEART SO YOU DONT REPENT. THIS WAY HE CAN KEEP ON WHIPPING YOUR BUTT WITH PLAGUES ETC ETC. then when you have recieved your adequate share of butt whippings, then he will open youe ear and eyes. what ia an adequate share of butt whipping ? GALATIAN 6 VS 7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

If your bible was truthful and accurate, you wouldnt need to write this huge paragraph explaining why your God acted like a sociopath. Who goes through the lenghts of giving someone disease, posioning their waters and killing their first born children to make a point. Think of the innocent children

Image123: You're pathetic. The same fellow you quote made it clear that the kingdom of God stands victorious and nothing, not even the gates of hell can prevail against it.

Is that why christiany is in turmoil? Europe is becoming more atheist and America is becoming more secular?

OLAADEGBU: How about you, have you made it?

I am an atheist, I dont preach. I also dont need to look for money as I love my job

ijawkid: @logic....did God also deplete d ozone layer or we did?

Answer the question first. Leprosy and Ozone depletion are 2 different things

Image123: Your thoughts are worthless in comparison with God's ways, keep them to yourself.

Wow, it seems that you're admitting that you're wrong!

Image123: ^you don't seem to know what you want. Just few days ago, you were commending me for telling you the truth about your 'hell status', and coercing Goshen360 to do same. Here, it's the opposite. Sinners are ALWAYS confused deep inside, atheist or no.

What? I am still saying the same thing; I don't like it when christians use the "you're going to hell" excuse to derail debates. The other thing is when they say that a person that says there is no God is a fool. You cant believe that all atheists are fools.


BTW...it's always nice to divide and conquer christians.

Mark 3;24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand

ChristChild: Men, i love this GUY, all i can say is that ,u, my friend r a walkin contradiction,u hav just proven the bible to be true in its words where abraham told the rich man perishing in hell that if those on earth wont believe the prophets preaching to them they wouldnt do so even if one from the dead comes to confirm it, u hav read testimonies from those who came from the dead, muslims, buddhists, hindus , mormons.. the list is endliess and u still hav this to say, I REST MY CASE.

You believe that a pastor raised someone from the dead? Are you not mad?

OLAADEGBU: You cannot think crooked and walk straight.

What? Come on.....Creflo Dollar, Pastor Chris and many other pastors have made it.

D sage: Dear theists/religions people in the house,please stop arguing with all the atheists on this forum.They are not that intelligent,i've tested them many time before and i realised that all they were doing here to proved their assumption/believes was simply a copy and paste.

They copied texts from various books and journers writtn by Atheist of western origin and pasted it here,claiming they are intelligent people.Please people,stop argued/telln them that God exist,they dont have the knowledge of their own to understand the fact that God actually exist.

I knew all these through their responses to the various questiions being asked by religions people on this forum.For instance,they always throw your questions back to you by their usual copy and paste method rather than answering it in a logical manner.

Therefore,they the bunches of hypocrites,bigotes,moronics and hopeless people on earth.

Why do you lie? Does your religion teach you to lie?

Show me where I copy and paste in my arguments? Look at my profile and show me. If I use something from a website, I paste the link. However most of my arguments are clearly expressed in my own words. My profile stands as evidence and testament to my argumentative style.


As for atheists being hypocrites, is it not pastors that have gay sex, priests that molest young boys and church members that burn child witches?

Thank you for exposing your hypocritical self!

Pastor Kun: Bros there are simply questions waiting for you to be addressed on the tithes thread yet you are here passing silly comments instead of attempting to help the OP in answering the questions bothering him. Silly + dishonest hypocrite

As an athiest, I love it when a christian exposes another hypocrite christian.

Image123, even your christian brothers know that you're a hypocritical troll.