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OLAADEGBU: Are you saying that 'am wasting my time here?

Yes.

You can make money. Dont you want to have private jets and mansions?

Blackteeth: Since you failed to explain the origin of the matter that forms everything, and a sound reason why matter was forming complex things. This means you dont know what happened in the very beginning. And if you cant explain what happened at the very start, what makes you qualified to say there was no creator?

What? Did I not mention the Big Bang theory? You want me to start writing pages on it?

Burden of proof lies on the maker of the claim. Your intelligent design is a debunked myth. Where is your proof of God?

Olaadegbu, why are you not a pastor? Don't waste your talent!

davidylan: 1)that is your own ignorant opinion. I will not waste my time dealing with a conclusion that is based on false personal opinion.


that is based on the FALSE assumption that everything Christ said was recorded in the bible. However we know that is not true - John 21:25.



2) Again, the samaritan is judged according to the light he was exposed to at the time. You dont have that excuse, you have the bible.

1) Jesus is God and God can not die. Therefore, he did not die or sacrifice himself on the cross.

The above is a simple logical conclusion. Please explain how this statement is false.


2) Jesus never talked about slavery in the bible like a coward because slavery was all around him. As for quoting John 21;25, we can then believe that Jesus supports gays if we can assume anything outside the bible like Jesus talked about slaves!


3) Samaritans knew the Jewish God of moses but Samaritans had their own religion. Therefore, you are saying that the Samaritan will go to hell


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Image123: God did not create leprosy. You are troll perfected.

I thought God created every living thing?

You fail, try again

yommy2sure: kai i lol @ ur so called intelligence, so becos u tink ur bed has 'been' proven to withstand weight it cant fail. Oh really? U tink houses and bridges that collapse were not proven to withstand the stress they carry? hav u heard of 'brittle failure' in engineering before? I doubt, thats failure without warning... And u r trying to tell me that each time u board a commercial bus, you know the mental state of the driver let alone the true condition of the vehicle...thats just assumption, becos it has not been happening doesnt mean it wont happen.just cant stop lafing, the food u eat daily have been previously proven to be safe? By nafdac? And i guesing u have 'poison-ometer' @ home. All these are just assumptions...you assumed tommorow is gonna come becos it has always come. What proavable law told you it wont stop one day?? And assumptions are the tiny elements of faith...u guys tink urself so smart...as much as you claim to be anti-God, you r more anti-religeon. Iv told you guys from another thread, in as much as 'they' cant prove God's existence to you. You cant prove God's non-existence @ the same time. Do you know if God is under my bed? Are you omniscient?

Your comment shows that you have never lived a civilized life. People hardly do things by blind faith.

Here in UK and other civilized countries, things are built to a standard. If a bridge collapses, the engineer is arrested. Bridges and houses are built to certain standards and they require maintenance.

Factories, shops and Restaurant have certain standards (on cleanliness) to be met are undergo random inspections.

If my bed breaks before the warranty, it goes back to the shop. Apparently, there is something called warranty.

As for a commercial bus driver, the bus must be insured and inspected by the transport company and there are laws that punish drunk driving. Human behaviour can not be predictable but there are laws to control it and ensure some degree of certainty.

The only thing outside warranties are natural disasters and human behaviours which are both not always predictable.

Ishilove: Whatever,dude. You bestride the religion section like a demon on a mission...what gives??! >-(

Tell me more, do demons have missions ?

Are you affected by my activities on Nairaland?

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Image123: It's evident you don't even know the meaning of the word. You think because you've been rightly accused as such, others must be like you.

What in that statement gives you the idea that I dont know the meaning of troll? A troll like you doesnt contribute to topics and just writes nonsense to get a rise out of the OP.


Thanks, you're still a troll

OLAADEGBU: Martin Luther protested against the RCC and became the father of the Protestant church and since then there has been splinter groups running into thousands of Protestant denominations but despite all these confusion these churches all subscribe to foundational beliefs such as the deity, crucifixion, death, burial and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. The Scripture says that:

"The foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are His. And let every one that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity" (2 Timothy 2:19 The Evidence Bible)

The candid truth is that there no church denomination in heaven because God knows no distinctions.

The candid truth is that there no church denomination in heaven because God knows no distinctions.

Yet, isrealites were God's chosen people

Olaadegbu, you are smarter than this......Bob Marley died a rastafarian! Dont let Jamaican Rastafarians swear for you!

Stop copying and pasting lies from the internet.


As for that hypocritical douch£ called Rastamouse.......

Why dont you just open a church? A man of such preaching talent should not waste it on Nairaland!

You could even get a private jet or be allowed to slap young girls!

tbaba1234: God created all the creatures on the earth and some of them cause diseases to humans.

God did create leprosy and every other disease out there.

Thank you, tbaba1234!

We might not agree on certain things because you're a muslim and I'm an atheist but it pays to be honest about one's religions. Please advise your christian brothers that their dishonesty is causing many christians on nairaland to become atheists

bigd4050: Because to not accept the gift is to accept Hell. You can only live in one or the other.

What about purgatory? Limbo?

bigd4050: Praising someone on a good work they do does not mean they are going to heaven. You act like people deserve heaven, it is a gift from God, not something we should just expect.

Besides, the point of the parable is that we should treat our neighbors well. He uses the good samaritin because they and the jews hated each other since old testament times. The point was to show that we should treat even those that we hate with respect and care for them if they need it. It really had nothing to do with heaven or hell.

If, heaven is a gift, why does hell have to be the consequence of rejecting a gift? A gift should be simply accepted or rejected without consequence

Ishilove: Logicboy free me abeg,I don't have your time. Jeez

lol....next time, dont start what you cant finish

bigd4050: Lol I'll concede that point about emotions to you. I would say we have them pretty well figured out. That whole last post might have just been one of my worst ever. My mistake. That's how we learn though eh?

And I'll say that I'm sorry for calling you ignorant! Cheers

bigd4050: What is a Nigerian Christian? I'm from America. Is Nigerian a denomination?

And I'll say that the good Samaritan is not going to heaven. The only way you get to heaven is by repenting of sins and relationship with God, not through good works. However, since he is a figment of our imagination, we have no idea whether or not he did believe in God, or just did a good act.

Good acts =/= salvation or we would be able to save ourselves.

The good samaritan that Jesus praised is not going to heaven?

Chritianity has just been destroyed!!!!!

bigd4050: No surprise there, every thread I go onto rastamouse is trolling, his arguments are incredibly weak so he stirs up conflict.

As to what you said before, I think it is because the Christians who dare to speak on the internet are attacked so easily. We know the arguments your going to say, so we often try to cut you off. I think this is done by both atheists and Christians, atheists just say things like "you stupid illogical faith believing..." and so on. You know our arguments and care more about proving us wrong than hearing us, and Christians do the same thing. I actually agree with you that if there could be some respect given for someone else's point of view, there would be much more effective debates.

Let's move on to your argument about going to the Bible and bringing up Hell everytime you disagree. I think first of all, bringing up Hell to scare someone because your losing an argument is pathetic. Its brought up so much it has lost its effect. And its only brought up when people are losing an argument. If they are winning, you never see it. Its the Christian way of saying "well I lost the argument, but you'll lose in the end1" and that is one of the most pathetic things I think a Christian can do. At least explain why or say it earlier in the argument. Don't just throw it out there because your a crybaby that lost.

As for why we quote the Bible: it is because we accept the Bible as fact. We go to a book just like you do. I am 100% positive that you haven't tested all the things you believe yourself, you have probably read most of them. So you still put your faith in books or websites too, its just from the opposite side of the spectrum. And you can't say your beliefs in evolution are scientifical because they have not been proven as fact, nor have they refuted Christianity, or it would not still be around.

Bigd4050 is a christian with dignity. We might disagree but at least, he doesnt use the "you're going to hell" excuse or quote tat bible and say that you're a fool for not believing in God

Rastamouse, you have been exposed for the hypocritical and abusive christian that you are. If there's a hell, you'd be there before me. Ironic?

bigd4050: And my claim still stands. I can map out how a building should look, doesn't mean I know how it's built. You continue to call me names that do not fit, because you don't prove anything.

I'm glad science has given us a lot of good things. It doesn't mean its infallible. And your arguments are. Don't tell me that Christianity doesn't explain how life began if the best alternative you have is "well science might found out how life exists one day..I just don't agree with you"

What? Science can not explain these things? How do you expect me not to call you ignorant?

Science has drugs to make you unconscious, there are drugs to make you happy (anti-depressants), drugs to energize you, drugs to stimulate you brain etc yet you have the nerve to say that science can not explain the workings of the brain or our emotions? Science can not explain 100% of the brain but so far it has gone to explain and understand most of it's functions.

If you can map out the framework or blueprint of a building, what stops from understanding how it's built? you might not be able to build but you have a basic idea of it's structures and and different parts. Why are you just ignorant?

bigd4050: Because that was quite the intelligent statement. You just made observations, not explanations. You didn't explain any processes, anything at all except that all those things take place in our head. I can say photosynthesis takes place in trees, but that doesn't mean I know how it works. Your argument there was ignorant.

You were the one that ignorantly claimed that science could not explain these things;

"Can science explain how humans have thoughts, emotions, and conscienceness? No it can't yet we know these thing to exist"

Scientist have mapped out parts of the brain that carry out some thought processes. Because you are ignorant, you say science cant explain it and God exists.

Science can not explain everything but it has done a great job explaining most part of our lives compared to christianity or religion.

Image123: ^i don't, how does it look like?

Troll harder. Or at least contribute something

rastamouse:

Are you saying GOD created diseases ?

Since you decided to report only half of what I said, let me make myself clear to those who will be coming here.

Leprosy, like any other condition like that, was not created by GOD. What GOD created was the planet and the things in them. Diseases came to this world when we abused the principles that govern how this planet should operate.

When my phone manufacturer built the phone that I currently use, he did not crack the screen. However, because I was careless enough to leave it in the hands of my four-year-old son, I now walk around with a phone with cracked screen. Are you saying that the crack was caused by my phone manufacturer?

Bacteria causes leprosy, who created all living things according to Christians?

How did we as humans abuse the planet in a way to create leprosy?


Everyone can see your stupidity....you probably have turned someone reading this to an atheist! Thanks!

bigd4050: Just because science cannot define it doesn't mean it is not true. Can science explain how humans have thoughts, emotions, and conscienceness? No it can't yet we know these thing to exist. I encourage you to actually present YOUR OWN arguments instead of referring me to another website. I do enough reading on here, thanks.

Emotions- explained with chemical reactions in our bodies

Thoughts- controlled by brain

Consciousness- controlled by brain

Just because you're ignorant doesnt mean God created everything

davidylan: you are confusing logicboy with facts?

You can't answer my questions and so you change the subject.


The bible is not factual or accurate.

rastamouse: Have you ever heard of The Annals by Tacitus?

WTF? Seems you cant answer my questions, so you change the subject

bigd4050: Just because you say intelligent design has been proven false doesn't mean it has. I encourage you to provide some kind of basis for that, or keep it out of the debate. I have never seen it debunked. If it was, there would be no debate to be had.

And many processes happen without direct influence from God, but the beginning of those processes were made by him. Who created the sun for photosynthesis, in exactly the right spot needed?

Your fallacy was thinking you had blown up an argument when you did not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design_and_science

Intelligent design is not science or scientific.

Blackteeth: Wow. Is this how handicapped you are? Everything is made up of matter as the basic unit. isnt it? All biochemical processes involve matter. Isnt it? Then tell me where matter originated from and stop repeating same nonesense defence..

Lmao.....you're exploding now! Is this not the first time that you mentioned matter? So, why are you saying that I'm handicapped? If you wanted an answer on matter, why didnt you ask about matter in the 1st place? You asked about where the rocks came from and the ingredients for rocks.

As for matter, you're going into big bang theory.

davidylan: 1. There is no mental gymnastics here. this is what the bible says plain as day - you can read it yourself to confirm. Christ took on human flesh to live among us, to show us an example of holy living and to die on the cross bearing our sins. What is the gymnastics here?

2. You will be judged based on the light available to you - that Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life... that you were fully aware of this and chose to reject it of your own accord. Best of luck on that day.

1) Jesus can not die and therefore, he did not die on the cross. Why did God need to send Jesus when he could enter our brains as an omnipotent being? He had to send himself to die in a death he already foresaw like a suicide victim. Why does god need blood or sacrifice to forgive our sins? How does death relate to sin?

2) Jesus is not the truth. Jesus could not say the truth about the slavery around him. Even Paul mentioned slavery. Even Mohammed mentioned slavery. Jesus is not God. The Samaritan doesnt believe in the God of Moses and therefore he goes to hell according to your christianity which is wrong

According to Rastamouse, the hardcore christian, God did not create leprosy. I would like to know how many christians actually believe this, especially after they claim that God created the earth and all living things!

davidylan: God is a Spirit and thus cannot die just like the spirits of you and i will live forever. But God took on human flesh and suffered the ignominy of not just a physical death on the cross but a spiritual separation (spiritual death by dying the death of the sinner) from His own Holiness just for you and me.



Flat out wrong. The good samaritan will be judged according to the light available to him at that time. Please read Romans 2:14-15.

The mental gymnastics that you're going through to fit the bible into reality is just amusing. So God has the same immortality and mortality as human beings? So, God can die in a human form like us and has immortality in spirit form like a human soul?


As for the good samaritan, if he will be judged on his efforts, then I too will be judged on my efforts and not on my atheism.

Blackteeth: Dont tell me you dont understand my question. Now to make it clear and easy for you, where did the matter that makes up magma, sediments and every other thing come from? Thats the question

The problem is that your question is both stupid and very wide. Do you know that there are many minerals that can for many different types of of rocks. Each mineral is formed through a biogeochemical process that s nothing to do with God. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogeochemical_cycle

Now, can you show me where God is involved in any natural process? I have been patiently answering your questions because I know you'd run out of useful questions to prove science wrong.

davidylan: The choice is yours my dear, God cannot force you to choose life even though that is the offer He places before you.

2. Does God love to see them burn? - No, if He did He would not have left His throne to die a painful, sinners death on the cross on your behalf. John 3 is a good place to start on this ques.

3. Can you do that to your worst enemy? - I suppose the highest sacrifice you could offer to save your worst enemy is giving your life in his place. Unfortunately you cannot force your worst enemy to appreciate this sacrifice.

4. I'm sorry, its not possible that sin chooses people. Would it make sense to you if i said you cannot jail a man who murdered your mother since it is not his fault, murder chose him? Sin is a conscious decision on your own part to break a commandment that you know. If you cannot use this pathetic excuse before an earthly judge, how much more the heavenly judge Himself?

2. Does God love to see them burn? - No, if He did He would not have left His throne to die a painful, sinners death on the cross on your behalf. John 3 is a good place to start on this ques.



Jesus is God and God can not die. Therefore Jesus did not die a painful death or sacrifice his life.

By most christian belief in hell, the good Samaritan would go to hell because he didnt believe in Judaism or christianity