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Blackteeth: Where did lightning and sand come from?

Why did you use mold as an example? Why not use an apple tree that produces food for humans and also produces a seed to continue its existence? Is this by chance?

Who proved to you that everything was made perfectly apart from what the bible says?

1) Sand is a naturally occurring granular material composed of finely divided rock and mineral particles while lightening is an atmospheric electrical discharge (spark) accompanied by thunder, usually associated and produced by cumulonimbus clouds, but also occurring during volcanic eruptions or in dust storms. Did God create lightening and sand? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand

2) I use mold because it destroys your argument. Simple

3) ? I am not a christian. Nothing is made perfectly. Nature is not perfect

2cute: Well, if for beliving in God am idiotic to you, all well and good! I'm so cool with it. But truth is God shows Himself to people, but not in the way logic can make out. you certainly will know when He visits soon, as I hope... sleep tight buddy (that's if we're in same time zone). I love your bold ness man!!

Why am I not surprised that you did not explicitly claim that God has shown himself to you?

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DoctorMcgruff: At the end of the day its an estimate not a fact, nowhere in the Bible does it mention the age of the earth or when the earth began also let me remind you that in the bible it does say "“[B]eloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day"

Now this is not to say that 1 day is exactley a thousand years but rather God transcends time, so the whole idea of the earth being created in a Literal Week is challenged, their lies the possibility the earth is MUCH older than 6000 years

Irrelevant. They counted the time from which Adam was made- 6,000 years. Adam could not have lived for a 1000 years.

2cute: I can't help laughing at this coment. logicboy is the kind of guy God loves to prove His existence to, which I pray He does as soon as this week! lol

Lol....how idiotic, has god shown himself to you in the first place? No, so sharaap!

tevinsolt: your analogy is.hmm ....(i have no comment).....comparing God and a robber is the most ridiculous thing ever.
first of all God loves you and wants to restore the connection man lost because of sin after creation
Jesus is the bridge he has created for you to use
if you don't repent, there is nothing he can do because you have free will
now in the case of a robber....its "your life or money situation" you loose either ways
but God is offering eternal life to escape Satan's eternal damnation.
simple as ABC

1) God and the robber both want something from me and I lose in both situations

2) If agree with the robber, I lose my money. If agree with God, I lose my freedom and become a slave to religion- I start tithing (losing money), wasting my tme praying that has less than 1% success rate, missing my rest on sundays and I start to believe that my religion is better than thousands of religions, some of which existed years before Judaism or christianity

3) If I disagree with the robber, I die. If I disagree with God, I brun in hell.

4) F*ck the robber and f*ck god.

bid4rich: oh! U neva knw how senseless you are in ur blind argument. Its obvious that you are in state of tabularazar. No wonder ur text looks like u. If u need wisdom, ask! Dnt use style seek for it, olodo rabata. Hahahahahaha

How christain of you to call me demon-possessed and now call me an olodo when you cant back up your claims.

Please tell me how I am demon possessed! You have never met me in your life. Or is it the new christian thing to curse people?


You fail

DoctorMcgruff: clearly the historians have been at flaw, not those who wrote the Bible,and it is 6000 years from when christ lived not adam...ignorance

You should be ashamed!

Adam to Abraham = 2000 years. Abraham lived around 2000bc (4000 years ago). 4000 + 2000 = 6000.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/05/30/how-old-is-earth

Blackteeth: The reason am posting this as a new topic is because I believe the content of this post is heavy enough to give the atheist a shattering blow and a run for their brains. So I want many atheists as possible to see this and save themselves more embarasment.

First I want to tell these atheists to disregard what the bible and christians say about God and think independently because the bible seems to contain some flaws. Therefore it should not be the sole instrument to decide whether a creator exists or not.


Since the atheist ruled out the presence of an intelligent living creator and claim creation happened out of nothing and by chance, then it means that the universe is dead and unconcious, and this unconcious universe intelligently created more than 100,000 different things at its unconcious state. WOW!! This is just the same as saying that houses, cars, phones, bridges, shoes etc are built by dead and unconcious men. MY PEOPLE IS THIS POSSIBLE CAN A DEAD AND UNCONCIOUS THING CREATE MILLIONS OF DIFFERENT INTELLIGENTLY WELL DESIGNED THINGS HOW CAN AN UNCONCIOUS UNIVERSE CREATE INTELLIGENT CONCIOUS HUMAN BEINGS WHO CANT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE UNCONCIOUS UNIVERSE CREATED? Lol. Hahahaha. If I tell atheists that a certain house was built by dead men will they believe me So why should athiests believe that millions of different intelligently made things were created by a dead and unconcious universe? Now if you believe that the universe conciously created everything, that conciousness is what is called God, and not necessarily a man with a long beard and other characteristics that humans have used to describe him.

Lol, this is another version of Intelligent design. You creationists will always fail.

1) How is fulgurite created? Fulgurite is glass created when lightening strikes sand. Creationist like you would say that God created fulgurite before science comes and proves that it was a natural occurrence of lightening striking sand.

2) Have you not seen plants growing on walls that are moist/damp? If you have a damp basement you can see fungi/mold growing on the walls. Did God create the mold or were the conditions just right? How do you know that the conditions for the universe beginning were not just right taking millions of years to come together?

3) What is intelligent? Are human beings an intelligent creation? We have bodies that are not perfect for our environment- 70% of the world is water which we can not survive in. What is an inelligent creator- A creator that creates a universe, most of which we know has no life, for no apparent reason? An intelligent creator that creates animals all of which have the liablity of getting extinct? A creator that makes human beings that can choke on their own food? A creator that makes the human jaw too small for the teeth it holds?

freshmoney: If you've come from nothingness, when you grow very old to die, you must disappear. Do not die a normal death, just disappear into nothingness as you were formed out of nothingness.

Likes of you could marvel very well at my '12 MKT but fail to appreciate how something more complex was created, rather they said it was formed out of nothingness. It would take human millions of years to understand God's ways. You sit there idle and talk rubbish.

Freaking atheist! Ritual worshipers are way better than you

I can now see how unyielding you are. I guess Atheists share the same features- stubbornness.

It would take human millions of years to understand God's ways

Yet, you understand God and know that he will send me to hell? Is that not arrogant and contradictory?

freshmoney: By the blood of Jesus, I will not witness a painful death. My family and me will live to testify to the glory of God.

That road crash or some disease is not my portion. You may claim it, for all I care.

Many christians have died in those situations. Who are you to demand better? Are you Jesus or Moses?

freshmoney: Never felt any inferior! Not even to an ego-centric numskull who believes he was formed out of Nothingness

No, my mommy gave birth to me, unlike some egocentric numskull who believe that a woman came from a man's ribs

freshmoney: Just as I know, atheists are egocentric and ego-maniac. They show no respect to other people's opinion. Rudy, blowzy set of waste people. Wondering why you are still alive, while you could have been binned.

No, the problem is that you're feeling inferior. You know deep down that your arguments dont make sense and you're angry that I'm telling you so.

lol

freshmoney: You must be high on something. You need 2 more wraps to counter-attack God's people

Thanks for showing that you have no points.

harakiri: PRICELESS!!!

rastamouse: You atheist sometimes get me laughing How can you deny HIS existence and yet bring HIM into your conversation when it is convenient to you? No wonder the Bible calls you FOOLS!



It does not matter how many people do not believe in GOD in the world. For all I care, it can be the whole of the United States and the Bible's definition for them will remain FOOLS!

You are willing to call billions of people fools (Even people who have contributed to the world and your life) fools? Tell me, do you use facebook or a windows computer or an apple product? Bill Gates is an Agnostic, Mark Zuckerberg is an atheist and Steve Jobs was a Zen Buddhist. Are you saying that they are fools? re you saying that majority of accredited scientists in the USA, who have brought you drugs and technology are fools because they mostly dont believe in God?


You sir, need to think

freshmoney: Are you Ayn Rand? Do you know what he used to do behind the curtain? He could have saved himself from the heart failure

You cannot create but you can damage and destroy the work of Nature. May God forgive you.

1) Ayn Rand is a woman

2) What the hell do you mean that she could have saved herself from heart failure at the age of 77? Are you just foolish?

3) Ayn Rands life was very popular and influenced many christian conservatives in america. However, an ignorant bible pusher like you wouldnt know that

bid4rich: without are dogs, and who are dogs? Those that are outside of faith. My friend, count your words, because u wil stil repeat it one day by the time God start dealing with u.

Tell me smthng, What is it under heaven that is not made? Even you, u're made by God but possesed by legion of demons called unbelieve and co. May God deliver u o because there wil b a time dt u wil need him but it may b too late to find Him. Thnk twice b4 u become deaf and dumb.

Possessed by demons?? ? Dont you feel stupid, when you say things like that? You just conclude that someoene that you have never seen or talked to is possessed by demons. Or demons now use the internet? Or you are a deomonic text reader?

freshmoney: The problem with these self-acclaimed atheists is they don't want to go down there alone.
They are hungrily looking for more people to go down with them.
If you have a disbelief about something, keep it to yourself. Why would someone rational be jumping from one thread to another attacking people not in-line with your belief? It's senseless if I may say.

Why would someone rational be jumping from one thread to another attacking people not in-line with your belief? It's senseless if I may say.

Like a hypocrite, you never acknowledge the fact that it's your christian brothers who do it most on nairaland.



BTW Hell does not exist. If that's the only reason that you are a christian, then you arent thinking.

freshmoney: Can you just save yourself hyper-stress by keeping your belief to yourself?

Jumping into every religion forum wouldn't help you. It wouldn't boost your belief either.

What, are you spying on my nairaland activities? That seems stressful!


Commonsense will tell you the difference between "anger" which is stressful and "disgust" which is not

Gertynk: @Logicboy- you are still a boy like u said and i pray God in his infinit mercy deliver u and set u free from that demon that posses you. One day like St Paul God will arrest you and use you for his work for the kingdom, i pray for u for such grace IJN

Epic fail......you really expect people to convert to christianity after you call them demonic and your bible calls them fools?

Do you christians think at all?

[quote author=Mai-suya]Islam survived the crusades and other external threats at medeval times when it was more easier to wipe out an ideology. that said....

you should know that islam is a way of life not a religion. so when you ask if islam wount survive d next 20 years, are you talking about;

POLITICAL ISLAM; which as practiced by most so called islamic states has no islamic bases (by supressing your own people, absolute mornachy was not endorsed by islam). Our own Usman bin fodio sumarized it with these beautiful words 'a nation can survive with disbelief in God, but no nation can survive with injustice'

ISLAMIC ECONOMICS; this area is actually growing and becomming more robhust, evident from the exponential increasing in assets managed under islamic principles. a noteworthy subsection is islamic finance.

ISLAMIC SPIRITUALITY; i can assure you that ironically or miraculously even with the current onslaught on the islamic identity both by the western media and ignorant fundementalists. more and more people are reverting to islam from countries especially in the west were, scholarship is still valued, and any sincere truth seeker who picks up the islamic sources recognises the disconect between the media narrative and the so called islamic fundementalist on one hand and the true islamic teachings.

Although i must add that to the muslims the above mentioned areas (whic are not exhaustive) are not independent of each other, infact politics, economics and spirituality in islam are not exclusive of each other, they are rather dependent on each other. so yes the political islam as seen today may not survive, but that is part of the new islamic renaissance[/quote]Thanks for your answer. I agree with you on political islam. However, I am not too sure about Islamic economics seeing as "riba" serioulsy reduces profit making for banks

rastamouse: Don't mind that atheist. He is just here to mock you guys

Lol....I choose not to mock muslims because they are less likely to derail my question and condemn me to hell unlike nairaland christians like you.

You sound hurt, maybe you should convert to islam!

Wassap Buzugee?

solomon111: Okay!
No problem.
If you think you are more knowledgeable and wiser than all the millions of people over the eons of time, who have followed the lord,including those who have being priviledged to pay the ultimate price for the name of the lord jesus,then you are indeed on your own.
As i said before, nobody will bear the consequences of your actions.

millions of people believed that the earth was flat....still doesnt make it true

RedReact: There is a difference between love and lust. Your opinion is faulty because that passage is talking about lust and not love. Many a times, people fall into lust (it can happen to christians too caused it happened to me and some of my friends) and attribute it to love.

There is no difference between love and lust. Can any christian that is married say that he/she wasnt s.exually attracted to his/her parner when the first met? Do you get married to someone that you dont want to have sex with?


What is sexual attraction? LUST!

Kay 17: What puzzles me about islam is its rules and the manner its being followed by its adherents. There is zero rationale behind other than please God. Most of them are at the point of absurdity

rastamouse: What do you call someone from Nigeria? I don't think Nigerian is an insult to someone from Nigeria so in the same vain telling a fool that he is a fool is not an insult...at least that is what the Bible calls anyone who does not believe in GOD

Majority or 64% of Japanese clearly say that there is no God. Are you willing to call them fools? Is yur country half as good as theirs?

solomon111: I just pity these so-called atheists.
Who do you think you are doing?
The reason you see christians preaching the gospel of our lord jesus christ day and night in the most dangerous and obscure places of the world,is because jesus commanded it,and they do not want anybody's blood on their neck.
In the grand scheme of things,you are on your own,and each person will answer for his/her self!
So pls stop reminding us with the fact that you are atheists and the one thousand and one reasons you chose to be atheists.
You have no excuse whatsoever for whatever fate you earn in the after-life,because you have been told repeatedly about the gospel of our lord jesus christ,but you have chosen to reject it.
Nobody can save you,if you dont want to be saved.
After all said and done,you hold the ultimate choice in your hand!

Why do christains so selfish and arrogant? Why do christians feel that they have a license to sin because God will forgive them but if a non-christian lives a saintly life, the non-christain will go to hell. Are you saying that Buddhist monks who live a celibate and immaterial life consisting of helping other people are going to hell?

My answer was largely ignored

logicboy: Intelligent design has been debunked

1) Adaptation. If we were intelligently designed to live in this world, why do human beings and every other animal need to adapt to their environment? 70% of the world is water in which we can not live in. We live in a world destined to kill us. Every day, our immune system fights off germs and bacteria but it continually fails us periodically when we get sick. When a car is built, is it not designed to withstand it's environment? Right from birth we fail at withstanding our environment. We are vulnerable as babies. Without our parents putting us in a clean environment, we are as good as dead.

2)Many things happen by chance. The first idea for a car or motion could have been a rolling boulder or stone from a mountain. What about fulgurite (glass made naturally from lightening and sand)? For glass to be made out of sand and lightening, there has to be a lot of conditions present and yet, there was no intelligent designer. What about caves? An earthquake could create a cave that could be used as shelter and yet no intelligent designer. The world is random and random variables can create a beautiful thing.

jagunlabi: It will eventually die under the weight of it's killing ignorance.

Hey, calm down. Give a well thought answer please!

rastamouse: It is inevitable that we will clash on some topics as far as our lives as Christians are concerned. For those who genuinely believe that we should find a common grounds on such issues, how do you think we should engage in the debate so as not to give the ....(you know who I am talking about), the chance to defile our LORD?

This is where all religions fail. Religious people will never have common ground. Religion is just as subjective as describing a story. Everyone has his or her interpretation of the bible as the bible is not clear, is not accurate and not precise. You can justify murder or discrimination with the bible. Some christians say God rested on a saturday, some say sunday. Catholics say purgatory, protestants say nay!

My favourite bible quotes as an athiest;

Mathew 5;22

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire


But my christian friends on Nairalan always tel me that I'm a fool..Irony?

Psalm 14

1[b]The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.[/b] They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth goo

jagunlabi: That could've happened because there was two different creation stories in genesis. I have even heard in some quarters of scholarly researchers of the biblical texts that the creation stories were actually NOT creation stories as most christians believe.

Wow, you got some mental gymnastics going on there! Why are you really trying to spin and twist facts to conform with biblical mythology? The bible is not scientific or true