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According to Rastamouse, the hardcore christian, God did not create leprosy. I would like to know how many christians actually believe this, especially after they claim that God created the earth and all living things!

davidylan: God is a Spirit and thus cannot die just like the spirits of you and i will live forever. But God took on human flesh and suffered the ignominy of not just a physical death on the cross but a spiritual separation (spiritual death by dying the death of the sinner) from His own Holiness just for you and me.



Flat out wrong. The good samaritan will be judged according to the light available to him at that time. Please read Romans 2:14-15.

The mental gymnastics that you're going through to fit the bible into reality is just amusing. So God has the same immortality and mortality as human beings? So, God can die in a human form like us and has immortality in spirit form like a human soul?


As for the good samaritan, if he will be judged on his efforts, then I too will be judged on my efforts and not on my atheism.

Blackteeth: Dont tell me you dont understand my question. Now to make it clear and easy for you, where did the matter that makes up magma, sediments and every other thing come from? Thats the question

The problem is that your question is both stupid and very wide. Do you know that there are many minerals that can for many different types of of rocks. Each mineral is formed through a biogeochemical process that s nothing to do with God. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogeochemical_cycle

Now, can you show me where God is involved in any natural process? I have been patiently answering your questions because I know you'd run out of useful questions to prove science wrong.

davidylan: The choice is yours my dear, God cannot force you to choose life even though that is the offer He places before you.

2. Does God love to see them burn? - No, if He did He would not have left His throne to die a painful, sinners death on the cross on your behalf. John 3 is a good place to start on this ques.

3. Can you do that to your worst enemy? - I suppose the highest sacrifice you could offer to save your worst enemy is giving your life in his place. Unfortunately you cannot force your worst enemy to appreciate this sacrifice.

4. I'm sorry, its not possible that sin chooses people. Would it make sense to you if i said you cannot jail a man who murdered your mother since it is not his fault, murder chose him? Sin is a conscious decision on your own part to break a commandment that you know. If you cannot use this pathetic excuse before an earthly judge, how much more the heavenly judge Himself?

2. Does God love to see them burn? - No, if He did He would not have left His throne to die a painful, sinners death on the cross on your behalf. John 3 is a good place to start on this ques.



Jesus is God and God can not die. Therefore Jesus did not die a painful death or sacrifice his life.

By most christian belief in hell, the good Samaritan would go to hell because he didnt believe in Judaism or christianity

Ishilove: Nah,i'm done arguing and debating on NL 'cos its full of folks of ur ilk

Then why did you make that stupid claim if you arent ready to back it up?

Blackteeth: You didnt answer my question. I ask again, WHERE DID THE NATURAL ROCK MATERIALS OR INGREDIENTS COME FROM?

Epic fail, you think you're smart by asking me questions that would make me have to write 10 pages explaining. Ypu can research he information on sediments, magma and crystalization which all have nothing to do with God

I have shown you how sand is formed without the involvement of a creator. Rocks have 3 different natural methods of forming without a creator. You can wikipedia it.

However, you have failed to answer my question, where is the proof that God is involved in any natural process?

Blackteeth: You didnt explain where the rock came from that produced the sand. And also where the indgredients that produced the rock came from.

Did God make the ingredients? No proof exists of God making the ingredients? Rocks have 3 different ways of forming that have nothing to do with a creator- they occur natrually. No creator there. So you lose

bigd4050: I would say he did something good, but that I have no relationship to him or know him at all. God is not indebted to anyone, and doesn't need to thank anyone. He expects our hearts. Using that example through humans to put God in a box doesn't work.

If God does not need your good works, why does he need your faith? As an adult do you want a a follow follow (ass-kisser or a faithful person) or a person that would do the job for you.


You fail.

rastamouse: JESUS is waiting for you to make that big decision. HE loves you and want you to come to HIM and be saved!

Rastamouse, so this is you in your true form? You and your bros just spouting random bible quotes and Jesus! lmao

Blackteeth: And what is the evidence that lightning and sand were not made by a creator? You explained how these things occur but didnt provide evidence that a God has no input in the processes involved.

Clearly, if sand comes from divided rock and mineral particles, we can see that God didnt create sand if even he exists because you can only say that he created the minerals. However, there is no proof that he created the minerals but there is proof that he didnt create the sand.

bigd4050: That's quite an arrogant statement to make. Congrats' you've just disproved God and done with no other person has ever done before! WOW!

Sike. No process could orginally occur. How did the lightning get there? How did the electical attraction happen? how did the sand particles get there? How did the rocks and wind get there?

You can't say anything just happened to be there. By your own standards, that is scientifical fallacy.

I only mentioned how they occurred. I never said how things were at the beginning of the earth and so, where is the fallacy?

Many natural processes can be explained without God. We know what evaporation is, we know what photosynthesis is. There has not been one scientific explanation that shows that there is a God. Intelligent design is not scientific and has been debunked. So what makes more sense; atheism or religion?

rastamouse: Don't mind those guys!

Yeah....those christians are fake....

[quote author=kay-1one]YOU ARE ST.UPID![/quote]lol....so angry

rastamouse: This guy is really pathetic

At least, he has the respect of not calling me a fool while preaching his religion to me.

You, on the other hand are a cowardly hypocrite, who calls people fools on the internet and then denies it.

ea7: Um, logicdude, plants=kingdom plantae, bacteria=kingom monera. Poin os still relevant though.

Calm down....under the two kingdom classification, they are plants. I was speaking generally. You are correct thoug

frosbel: Yes , catholic church means universal , so may I add an adjective or a qualifier to the word catholic , Roman Catholic.

I was once a Roman Catholic, where I was told things in the bible were too high for my understanding and only a preist could correctly interpret the scriptures.

Some of my mates who were Catholic lived lives completely free of the Love of GOD.

There is ONLY one way and it is not found in the worldly physical church, it is found in CHRIST and him alone.

I wait for your amen.

No amen to that. My role model Ghandi was a Hinduist till he died. He lived a saintly and chaste life. He was peaceful in negotiating the freedom of his people. If someone like him can go to hell (because the bible says so) while repented rapists and murderers can go to heaven, then f*ck christianity and your bible

bigd4050: Actually, that's wrong. It's not our way. It's God way. No Christian will tell you otherwise. Don't twist my words. You can have a deep deep care for people, and want to help them all. If you aren't doing it for God, it doesn't matter. For the third time, WORKS DO NOT SAVE YOU. Why would God let someone into heaven who never thinks about him, does anything in his name, just helps make earth better? God would be like I didn't know you, and you didn't know me. That's why relationship is important.

Wow. How does that make sense? If you see a guy that you dont know helping your child today, will you say that you dont know him the next day? Is it not Jesus that said that if you help the poor you help him? Why would God reject someone that helped his children and accept someone who did not help but only had faith?

rastamouse: @the bold...why do you give me this task? eii...

On a serious note....

1. Why do you think this is about me. I am telling you that I am calling the guy what the Bible calls him and you don't seem to get it. If you think that because he supports Africa and that makes him superhuman, that is your believe but as far as I know, anyone who declares that there is no GOD is a FOOL.

2. I will say it again, GOD never created leprosy! Leprosy is a condition and like thousands of other conditions, it is brought about by several factors. Why that happens, I don't know but it is one of the things that I will ask GOD if I make it to HEAVEN someday

3. You know that is impossible. If I can't convince you on something as obvious as you were created, how then can I describe a soul to you!

God didnt create leprosy? Leprosy is caused by bacteria. Bacteria are plants. God did not create plants? Epic failure by Rastamouse!


But the smartest people in the world- accredited scientists majorly do not believe in God, are they fools?

Blackteeth: I cant stop laughing. If lightning and sand produce fulgerite glass, then what produces lightning and sand? You may say atomic reactions, but what produced atoms?

I have already explained how lighting and sand naturally occur without God (Sand through rocks and wind.....lightening electrical charges in clouds). If lightenting and sand already occur without God as millions of other natural processes occur without him, why should we start believing that God created nature without any shred of evidence.?

Boom! That's the sound of your argument being blown to pieces!

rastamouse: Why is this so difficult for you to understand? if you can stop human trafficking, bring world peace, end famine and feed every needy child, what will prevent you from accepting JESUS as your LORD and SAVIOR? It is not like making the decision will cost you anything

Use your brain. Bill Gates gives a lot to charity and is tackling the malaria problem in Africa but he still doesnt believe in christ.


You just keep failing

bigd4050: Its not rubbish you are just disregarded what I told you. Hitler could have gone to heaven if he repented but, so could Ghandi. Hitler killed himself and went to Hell. Let's stick to reality, not the hypotheticals.

About Catholocism, perhaps your Catholic church did not praise Mary as God, but I know some do. Besides, who else in the Bible is called holy besides Christ? Praying to Mary for anything is wrong, she is not God.

And no, bringing world peace does not make you a Christian, its not a works based thing. You have to have relationship with God and be serving him through those actions.

At least, I can agree with you on certain issues.

However, the issue of hell is the most useless things about christianity. There are serial murderers and rapists in prison that are now living good lives in prison as they have repented. They even preach the gospel to fellow inmates. These murderers will go to heaven but Ghandi who lived like a saint will go to hell for dying as a hinduist? Come on, you have got tot be kidding me

rastamouse: LOL...very funny...

I don't know why you are pressing to get gadgets into this argument. For your information, GOD never created leprosy (it is a condition like millions of other conditions). GOD healed leprosy (I mean advanced ones, not infant leprosy that you brag about), thousands of years ago and continues to do them this day.

You can be the world's richest person and still be a fool. How did the riches of the rich man end him (the story of Lazarus and the richman)? That is the problem with you atheist. You measure success with material things but the Bible state clearly that one can gain the whole world and lose the most important thing (the soul).

Which one will you want- a flashy moment on this earth or eternal peace?

1) Yes, according to you, Bill Gates is a fool. Bill Gates that is tackling malaria in Africa with science. A fool just because he doesnt accept your religion. Do you really feel righteous after calling Bill Gates a fool? You have never met him while he has helped your Continent.

2) You said "For your information, GOD never created leprosy".

So you are now saying that God didnt create leprosy? How did it come about? I though God created every natural thing? Leprosy is caused by a bacteria- aliving thing. Didnt God create animals and plants? God did not leave a cure for leprosy. God only cured lepers in the middle east and neglected thosein other parts of the world like a racist douchebag

3) Souls do not exist. If you can describe a soul as well as you can describe a table or a chair, then I would beleive

bigd4050: I agree half the reason I started posting on this site is because all the Christians were posting complete nonsense and making themselves look like five year olds. I may not be the best debater but at least I can argue from a non-emotional temperament.

I think that your confusing faith with perfection with your example. No one who believes in God is perfect by any stretch. I think especially in those times, slavery was such an accepted thing it probably didn't even occur to them that it was wrong. It was just the way things were. That's how everyone thought. I think if those same people lived today, their viewpoint would be much different having an understanding of what society without slavery looks like.

When it comes to Christianity, only faith and repentance alone will bring you to God. If I brought world peace, ended famines and brought food to every single child, and stopped the human trafficking market, I would have done some very good things. But they have no relation to God because none of those acts were done for him or to further his kingdom. Works alone will not save anyone, because everyone has sinned and that makes them worthy of Hell.

(By the way as a side point, I really don't think many Catholics are going to heaven. Some will, but many elevate Mary to the position of God as well, which is blasphemous)

You derailed your own argument!

1) As an ex-catholic, catholics do not believe Mary is God. While they do honour her, they never say that she is God. "holy mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners....." Do you tell God to pray for you!

2) If you brought world peace a an atheist, you would have still saved christian lives, is that not related to God?

3) You know in your heart that in christian theory, Hitler can go to heaven as long as he died as a repented christian but Ghandi, who died as a Hinduist, would go to hell. Christianity is rubbish

rastamouse: You are worse Ea...was the laptop and windows giving to you or you bought it?

Did you pay for facebook or using this site? Nice try to escape!

rastamouse:

From what you have written there, it is clear that you never even followed the argument (or was not able to keep up). Let me bring you up to speed on what we just discussed. You were wondering why 68 percent of Japanese, Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates were all fools. The answer that I gave you is that it is because they have failed to believe that they were created. How does that have anything to do with the laptop, OS and the website that I am using?

Aren't you sounding ridiculous? You don't want me to call those people fools because they came up with gadgets. Yet you type rubbish about the MAN WHO made you and the very air that you breathe.

What you and all atheist that speak against GOD should know is that HIS love is unfailing and very great. I have to admit that if it has been me up there, you will not even be here typing those nonsense!

Lol......that's the point. Even if God owns them, he doesnt own their creations, he did not create their creations, they did it themselves. So, for you to use their gadgets and call them fools is only testament to your disgusting hypocrisy and ungratefulness.

Have you asked yourself why you have served God, yet atheist countries do better than your country (which has less than 1% atheists). Also why is it that atheists are contributing to humanity more than what you christians or your god did in this present day? Your God brought leprosy with no cure but modern scientists (respected scientists who are majorly atheists) have cures for leoprosy at its infant stage.


If you really believe that Bill Gates is a fool, then stop using your laptop, the bible says that you should avoid a fool, lest you engage in his foolishness. Stop using facebook. Dont use Japanese cars. Lets see how your life plays out

ChristChild: LogicBoy, i hope u had a good nite`s sleep, i just hav one favour to ask, pls log on to endtimerevelations.org and read those testimony and pls get back to me, please this is important, try not to skip anyone, i beg u. it is a simple favor, thanks, lookin forward to hearing from u

A testimony is just another story that hasnt been thoroughly investigated. Sorry.

[quote author=kay-1one]YOU NEED TO SEE A PSYCHIATRIST! ASAP![/quote]You just lost the argument, didnt you?

wirinet: There is a difference between love and lust, but common modern day interpretation does not distinguish between the two. In classical roman civilization, there are three kinds of love, namely éros, philios and agape, eros can be likened to lust, philios is brotherly/sisterly love and agape is spiritual love.

A romantic relationship is usually [/b]triggered by eros ([b]at least in men), then it evolves to philios (non séxual relationship and ultimately evolves to agape love.

Sorry ......the parts in bold were misleading!

[quote author=kay-1one]What If I Told You HE CHOSE TO DIE AND RESURRECT TO TAKE AWAY SIN!... Will That Now Make Any Sense To Your 'LOGIC/better Put;ST.UPID...' Brain?![/quote]Jesus can not be ressurected if he can not die in the first place, dummy

rastamouse: Why don't you answer the question. Will you still be logic boy without a hand?

I would still be logic boy without a hand

rastamouse: What did you just write there? How did the argument get there?

You use an atheist created site, you use an atheist created software, you use an atheist created hardware, yet you call athiests fools.

Your defense was that God created atheists and therefore is the owner of the atheists creation and therefore it's okay for you to call them fools for not believing in God. Stupidity at it's finest

rastamouse: They do my brother. If your hand is cut off right now, will you cease to be logicboy?

Irrelevant. You have never seen a soul. Souls dont exist. If we had souls, we would be able to connect to the spiritual world but that doesnt happen