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davidylan: Again desperately comparing apples to oranges.

Pretty much all knowledge is accrued from the opinions and reasoning of others. That you believe you breathe in air is a fact that you were not born with but learnt through the scholarship of others. Ditto for my faith in the bible, agreed it is a compilation of the experiences, faith, belief and opinions of others... i dont merely parrot it, i have enough experiences of my own to be able to independently state my reasons for holding such faith.

The OP on the other hand believes she is an atheist but is virtually unable to convince us of WHY she holds such belief. Rather she wants to read books/arguments she can then regurgitate as her own? Its much the same with many of you atheists here. There is virtually NO independent argument from any of u, just a mishmash of the incoherent thoughts of your gods.... and you dare accuse theists of being brain washed?

1) Does the OP represent all atheists?

2) You have no experiences of your own to be able to independently state your reasons for holding your faith. Why? Because you have never seen God or touched him, neither can you prove the existence of God

3) Yes, people learn about science and God/religion in the same way; from other people's reasoning and experiences. However, unlike religion/God, we can test scientific knowledge. I know that air exists because I would suffocate in a vacuum.

Goshen360: The fact that you don't believe in the God they are serving doesn't mean you call them pagan bro. This is where i have issues with you. Leave them alone and concentrate on your disbelieve in God. Like you or someone said, It's not by force. It's not by force you make Christian to believe what you believe. okay. I don't have anything personally against you. You are a nice person, reading from some of your post but just stop dis-respecting other people's believe in God. Okay.

You dont understand. I was giving a hypothetical situation. I wasnt calling TB Joshua a pagan. I was saying if it was a pagan gathering you were watching.

Reread my comment

Ayomivic: Avicenna,someone said you should look at yourself in the mirror,have you done that?If your answer is yes,then, what did you see?Did what you see, is real you?If you have inner eye you must see that the person you saw as been possessed by evil spirt.Let me ask you these questions,there is one woman who says publicly that she is god.Do you remember? Do you believe that this woman is a god as she claimed ?If you do not believe, then what do you think is happened to this woman?
I am sure you heard about Church of Satan,even though athiests do not believe in satan.What do you think about the man that is pastoring the Church of Satan ?You think the man is playing or decieving people,if these is what you think my freind you are wrong.The woman that called her self god and the man that pastoring the Church of Satan are agent of Satan.They are possessed by devil.
Today you announced yourself that you are leaving the almighty God your creator. By this you think you are free,impossible.If you don't serve God you will serve satan take it or not,every persons on earth must belong to either of these two. Go and know this that you are working for Satan.They have won you to him and you have stood to win another soul for him.Who know the number of souls you have won for him with this your post.You may not count it to be but satan recognized you.You better give it second thought now tomorrow may be too late.Jesus love you.

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Someone is losing her religion and here you are, trying to get her back on religion by telling her that satan will take over her life. You are the very reason that people become agnostic/atheist.

Religion can really make people stupid. Japan is 64% atheist, are you saying that satan runs Japan?

strangerf: Actually, he is a well educated scientist.

In what field?

Goshen360: logicboy, you dey vex too much o, lol


You see as i dey laugh in all languages.

Abeg, make you relax o. we are friends u hear. Even though u na Atheist, me no vex for you u hear.

Would you be laughing at a video of a 4 year old spouting pagan rites?


I am not vexing, just disgusted.

strangerf: Sadly, the guy is a scientist, well, lets just say he knows one or two things about science.

Scientist or secondary school science teacher?

Goshen360: Can't stop laugh o. . It is well.

What does a 4 year old really understand about the world. This is what religion does- making adults like Goshen360 rejoice at the brainwashing of a 4 year old.


Disgusting

davidylan: hmm pls do you even know what science is? I detest people who run here trying to hide behind the fig leaf of pseudo-science. Can you scientifically justify your own unbelief WITHOUT copying from the thoughts of your atheist gods?

Just admit it, science always destroys any argument for faith and that's what annoys you!

Butthurt much?

numo86: U must nt be tinking well to say d moi moi organised football mourinho played wen he was a kid is enough for him to be able to have all d experience he has now....
I also played organised football on d streets and in a lil club unknown to d world.....
Today u go to school and ur science teacher teaches u things about d solar system...things he himself has never dreamnt of seeing or having a 1st hand study of.....becos he has never entered a space ship more or else travel outerspace......
Would u say becos he isn't an astronaut or hasn't traveled outr space then he's not qualified to teach u science about d universe?

D truth is because he studied and read from d book of experienced scientists or astronauts who have made those research works available and becos he has been giving a certificate to teach he now becomes qualified to teach u science in school....abi??
That's d same reason y unmarried preachers are still qualified to teach married couples about marraige becos theyv been instructed from d scriptures on how to do that and becos they are mandated to teach.....take it or leave it bro

Ur reasons why a priest shouldn't counsel married people are so baseless and useless.....

Wow, more stupidity.

This is what you should know;

Your science teacher can teach you about the solar system but he cant teach you how to fly a NASA spaceship.

Your reverend father can only teach you about christian doctrine/rules on marriage but cant do marriage counselling

Wow.....are you in the business of speaking nonsense?


Mourinho played organised football, he played both in youth and senior team of Rio Ave.

Mourinho also had experience as working alonside his father in coaching.


What experience do reverend fathers have in marriage?

numo86: @alll.....mourinho 1 of d best football coaches in d world never played football,bt he coaches so well and has won trophies....
How would u guys explain that...
Preachers teach accordin to bible standards ..they dnt have to be married to give marraige talks...becos what they say are not from there own thoughts but that of Jahs recorded in d bible....
And who told u guys those marraige counselors u are recommending are better of
Marraiges are breaking down seriously today because of 1 reason....
Because many reject d counsel of d originator of marraige(Jah)....

Mourinho played football when he was young and learnt coaching from his father.


You fail, try again

tbaba1234: what two points?

1.) The concession was given because there was a greater priority, the need for the species to spread.... That priority does not exist any more.

2.) I disagree- There are some good works of translation with some excellent commentary:::

Then your God is foolish. He could have made thousands of human beings at the same time in order not to contradict himself on inbreeding.

Name any good english koran you know

tbaba1234: 6. Adam children married each other. This is clearly discussed in islamic tradition.

- The translation of the Arabic language is a difficult task, Some translations are better than others.

You therefore accept my 2 points;

1) Your God allowed inbreeding which he later said was wrong.

2) To understand the Koran in English is almost impossible

gst101: what you have said is not true. You dont have to be married to know anything about marriage. Just as you do not need to have sex to know anything about it. The only thing you need to be able to advice is a good knowledge of what happens in marriage and the ability to make good judgement and of course the holy spirit.

I dont agree with you but I agree with the OP. What would a celibate person understand about marriage? Experience is the best teacher.

Sister fatie: I want u guys to recommend some atheists books to me ,i want to help my friends see the truth.

Read the bible if you're a christian. Or read the Koran if you're a muslim. They both turn people who actually read them into atheists

I see that you're a woman and so let's see what the bible says about women (sexism);


a)1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35*
34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church

b)Leviticus 12:2 *
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.
Leviticus 12:5
5 But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.
(Woman unclean for 7 days if she gives birth to a man child.
She is unclean for 14 days to 66 days if she gives birth to woman child

The Koran;

4: 12. ALLAH commands you concerning your children; a male shall have as much as the share of two females; but if their be females only, numbering more than two, then they shall have two-thirds of what the deceased leave; and if there be one, she shall have the half

4; 34. Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme.

Any Oyedepo's church members to dispute this?

Image123: Jumping jumping, i am jumping. Next.

Is the truth too much for you?

Blackteeth: I searched through some threads debating the existence of God to get answers to this question but its difficult to get one cos there are many posts to scan through. Therefore I decided it will be easier getting the answer by opening a new thread.
Now my question is; What do atheists think is the force that intelligently designed the existing things in the universe? In other words, what kind of force is responsible for making different animals exist in pairs of male and female?
What kind of force knew that animals would chew food and therefore placed grinding teeths in their mouth?.
What kind of force knew that animals would feed and therefore produced plant seeds for the animals to feed on?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhdUp4JOHwg

Logic Mind: watch out for what exactly?

Of course you should watch out, the guy na mental case.

Image123: This problem of comprehension. BTW, being abusive is not a sign of intelligence. You people seem to think insulting others and disbelieving God equals intelligence. Anybody can have a first class or carry first or have a phd. It's unfortunate that you have to refer to millions of people's God as schizophrenic before you can pass your 'point'.
Well, i said God plans to destroy the world i.e the earth and its system. Jesus comes to save us humans from being destroyed along with the earth if we believe.
On slave trade, slave trade is a small percentage of what sin encapsulates, think big. Jesus is not a human right activist. He came to handle what no human is capable of handling, stop comparing him to gani or wilberforce moulds.

It's unfortunate that you have to refer to millions of people's God as schizophrenic before you can pass your 'point'

Really? Compared to you saying that billions of people will burn in hell for not believing your religion?

Face the fact, your God is schizophrenic;

-No incest but Abraham married his half sister
-Thou shalt not kill but stone homosexuals and fornicators to death
-Thou shalt not kill but orders isrealites to annihilate cities of unbelievers
-All men are equal but Jews are my chosen people

Avicenna: Lol @ the bleach.
I m more of the naruto type.

What? A fellow Naruto/anime fan? Cool

buzugee: If i met you in real life, i will have the cushites strip you butt nekkid. then i will have the edomites make me a nice juicy horse whip. i will have the israelites tie you to the nearest iroko tree. then i will commit to giving you 36 lashes of the cane cowering kor cowry shell ni

I see, so you're even more of a coward- you're only tough when you have numbers (other religious bigots) on ur side

rastamouse: Great question my sis. A fool will believe in gravity and choose to disobey the MAKER of the world

No, a fool will believe in gravity and then go on to believe something that defies gravity when it shouldnt (Jesus floating into heaven

lepasharon: ^Youve not seen your brain but you know its there dont you?

I have seen my brain.......heard of scans?

Image123: You must have seen this coming. THE BIBLE SAYS SO. It's called a spiritual fact.

Spiritual fact? ? Are we making things up now

buzugee: so let me get this right, you went from 'papal harlotry' to 'carnal harlotry' just by being on youtube ? see i always knew youtube was a recruiting ground for the unyoked

What does that make you? a regular harl0t?

buzugee: i concur, mademoiselle lepasharon

Sharap there

lepasharon: Hey poster,i feel you.But,you have it mixed up,it is Christianity which is false,and their concept of God and Christ.
But God still exists and he is perfect,it is Christianity which is twisted and against the bible.

Have you seen God? Have you felt him? What does he look like?

buzugee:

Buzugee you're a coward. You like to talk about murdering and torturing atheists but if you met me in real life, you'd be cowering

rastamouse: I state again, ANYONE WHO FAILS TO ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD AND INVITE HIM INTO HIS/HER HEART WILL ROT IN HELL FOREVER...with special emphasis on the FOREVER!

Lol people are getting to be no more afraid of your non-existent hell. It seems that the only reason you accept Jesus is because of hell.


Dont you evangelists feel stupid when you have to tell people like atheists and buddhists that they will burn in hell if they dont accept your religion?

Pastor AIO: I am not aware of any one who has become christian from being here on Nairaland. Or muslim either. I've counted 4 but I've got the feeling that there are many more. They all don't declare it.

Anyway, that is not my point. My main point is the lack of integrity with which my people argue. My point is how they like to make fools of themselves. My point is how a lack of integrity makes one look like they lack intelligence.

I don't know what you mean by making concessions when defending your faith. Does that mean that you want to kill people for your faith, that you want to start terrorism, that you can resort to yabis, and threats and all sorts of cajoling when discussing your faith.

Me personally I don't think that conversion experience can be brought about by argument.

But I was converted from being a catholic to atheism from arguments on youtube (I also argued online on an american website)

rastamouse: No...I will not go to hell, but you will, unless you repent!