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jaylinaa: I bet we all try to interprete our bible passages in a way that's most convenient to us. Yes, there is an attraction but it doesn't have to be sexual. Wait, before you attack lol, there are different kinds of attraction and you saying it is sexual attraction that endears us in the first place might be you speaking for yourself. Just might.

I do not always look at an attractive man with thoughts of unleashing on bed. It could be thoughts like "oh, such a fine young man, would love to wake up to such a pleasant sight" or something like that. Really doesn't have to be sexual and even though I haven't read my bible back to back, I'm almost sure my maker sees no wrong in that

I can understand that.

ralfo85: Your logic here in my opinion is wrong. There is no scripture that implies that having a passion for ones beloved is wrong, and neither is it fornication. I wonder what scripture you are refering to here. Christian couples can have healthy romance during courting, song of Solomon is proof of that; there you can see the fantasies and imaginative dialogs, even dreams the shulamite maiden had of are beloved.

Most christians dont read their bible.

Matthew 5:28

But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.



This is what makes relationships based on the bible very stupid. How can you choose a partner without thinking about intimacy when s.e.xual attraction is what makes us attracted to the opposite s.ex on the first place.


Contradictory to mathew 5;28;


Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

buzugee: fail, the catholic church compiled the bible but black israelite men wrote the bible. when antiochus epiphanes broke into and took over israel, he stole all the manuscripts in the temple. then the greek empire got took over by the roman empire. the roman empire took the scrolls and compiled it into the bible. all under the auspices of the lord of course. the lord works in mysterious ways. the israelites were slacking and he let them get invaded by heathens and the heathens compiled the scrolls into the bible and now the heathens are now convicted because they now have the convenants which only the israelites had. the lord let them convict themselves and now the whole world has the bible and no one can say they dont have the convenant

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LOL

I actually like you when you debate freestyle. You are the funniest guy on Nairaland. However, when you start your racist theories and history, I wonder whether you take cocaine

buzugee: you do know that just because someone holds the holy bible does not mean they are off the lord right ? you do know that the catholic church is a satanic cult right ? so if they get involved, which they did, in slavery, thats what they are supposed to do. are you acting surprised that satan enslaved people ? thats what he does. its like being surprised that an artist can draw.

The catholic church is satanic but the compiled the bible which you use and claim to be holy

You fail.


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numo86: Oboy those arÉ fake born agains...
Real Çhristian§ who stick to bible injunctions eÑjoy lasting marraiges....
U get it??
Follow bible instructions and prosper...
Follow human advice and fall in d pit...
Dnt show me videos....
U can use urself as an example when u get married,that's if u believe in marraige...
Nobody applies bible principles and fail....
Both in our moral,social and everyday life....
U get it
Any born again u see whose marraige fails never practiced what he learnt frm d bible....
Mayb d born again chose to be independent of Gods word just like atheists do...

Following the bible = success in marriage??

Do you go to the ministry of prosperity?

Image123: i told you earlier. God lays claim to owning you, your robber friend doesn't.

God doesnt own me.

buzugee: since your uncle borrowed me his pompoms

You and my uncle are gay

davidylan: When you know something more than the piffle in your biology textbook then come back and bleat here.



Nonsense.

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I clearly said that I didnt need science/evolution to become an atheist

Furthermore, you dismissig catholic enslavement of unbelievers which is a historical fact just made you look foolish. Read up about Pope Gregory IX.


You Fail.

buzugee: nice banter theist - 5
atheists - 0

atheists getting slugged in this here game of textual pugilism. atheists getting the crap kicked out of them.

When did you become a cheeleader?

jmoore: 1-baptism is irrelevant
The reason baptism is not necessary for salvation is because we are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1; Eph. 2 -8 ), not by faith and a ceremony (Rom. 4:1-11)
If we are saved by faith, then we are saved by faith when we believe, not when we get baptized, otherwise we are not saved by faith

2-Why won't Mary believe? Before she gave birth to him, an angel appeared to her and gave her the prophecy that she will give birth to Jesus as a virgin in Luke 1:30-35.

3-Before Christ's death on the cross at Calvary, the souls of the dead went to Hades, a supernatural place somewhere in the heart of the earth. Hades has two compartments, the abode of the lost called in the Bible "torment," and the other side, the place of the saints of God called Paradise, and also referred to as "Abraham's Bosom." Moses, David and others were in "Abraham's bosom"

When Jesus gave up His Spirit to death, He went into the Paradise side of Hades and "took captivity captive." This means He took all the souls of the saints who had died to that point to be with God the Father in Heaven. The Paradise side of Hades is now empty. The torment side today holds all souls of people who rejected Christ's salvation, and who have died to this point in human history. People who are saved by believing in Christ today, and who die, now go directly to God, the Father, in Heaven.

1) You are right in a way. If she believed that she could have a virgin birth, what stops her from believing in Jesus.

2) You are wrong. Tat is just mythologgy

Image123: And i've clearly made a distinction between God and your robber friend.
i do not recall discussing anything about God not allowing you to question His actions? Hate Him or love Him, God is not a man, and we're all stuck with Him. A wise man would make the best of what's on ground, repent.
"Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;" (2 Thessalonians 1:6).

There is no difference between God and an armed robber. They both give you a chance to do their bidding under a guise of free will. Failure to do so, is punishment with your life.

Lake of burning fire. What kind of sadistic douch£bag would create such a place?

davidylan: huh? A mutation on the Cxcr5 receptor as evidence of evolution? My guy just busy yourself with your business degree. You have no future in science. With regard to your nonsense earlier... have you wondered why many europeans and americans are seriously allergic to pollen while africans seem to have no problems with it? Well try looking up the cleanliness theory... nothing to do with evolution at all. Not everything that stupefies you block heads is down to evolution you know.



Read and weep. Obviously you have no clue.



i dont live in fear of demons, why shld you? are they pursuing you in your sleep?



yeah you did. Made my day dude. olodo rabata. Here is homework for you - find me a VALID, SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN example of a transitional life form for donkeys or cats. You have 48 hrs.

1) I notice how you managed to avoid the topic of AIDs and Evolution.

2) I think that you are just hiding yur ignorance about your own field of expertise, please educate yourself on transitional fossils http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil#Australopithecus_afarensis Why did you just dismiss it? Did it destroy your argument?

3) WTF are you trying to divert this to donkeys or cats? Human transitional fossils are there for you (read the link)

4) You live in fear of demons. Is satan not a demon lord? Are you not scared of hell as a christian?

1) The authority of the scripture? No one knows who wrote the book of Genesis. Who is God? God has many names (Yaweh, Jesus, the messiah, I am that I am etc). Who is the authority? The bible is with contradictions- incest is bad but Abraham married his half-sister

2) Clarity of the scripture? The bible has so many versions and tanslations (catholic bible, KJV, NAB NKJV, etc). There are so many christian interpretaions of the bible and that's why we have so many different churches and doctrines.

3) Necessity of the scripture? There are people who have lived a saintly and spiritual life without the bible eg Ghandi

4) Sufficiency of the scripture? Any lawyer will tell you that laws always need to be update. The bible is finite and the idea of God is infinite. The scripture is either obsolescent or flawed

Image123: You're the one doing the thinking here, not a robber or God. Or God has shown you His thoughts?
ithinknot.
i simply compared your creation to that of something that has no will of its own. The planets do not make decisions, they just fulfill their purpose. You are created with ability to make decisions, don't blame God and keep saying "God made me an atheist, what can i do?".

I clearly meant God's thinking as exposed in the bible.

Also, anybody, be it god or man that tells me not to question his actions is a psychopath.

Jack65: @davidylan,

Please STFU, your condescending attitude is deplorable. If you have nothing productive to contribute then just go away and stop being such an as$ hole here.

No, forgive him in this instance, I and other atheists have frustrated him to breaking point.

numo86: Oboy those guys have given counsel to married persons via d bible and it made there marraiges last forever...
So wether ur atheist brain wants to argue this issue or not it doesn't change d fact that unmarried preachers can't give marraige counsel......
They do not give this counsels out of there own originality,but from Gods word which u dnt believe in...
The decay in many marraiges today like I told u is simply becos many won't obey bible principles in there marraige....
Apostle paul who did pen down words that are of lasting benefit to married couples like no other apostle did was a single guy....
Its all about teaching and counselling from a greater source or from others experience...u don't have to experience things before u can teach it..
Abi u no know that one
Experience is just a good teacher but not d best....
Got it?

Rubbish.....Born again christians are more likely to even get divorced than atheists

http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistfamiliesmarriage/a/AtheistsDivorce.htm

jmoore: The big problem with you is that you are not a christian and therefore you can't understand the bible. Was has baptism got to do with being born again? Baptism is like just a ceremony. Mary believed in jesus, therefore she was born again.

As for Moses and others in the old testament. Jesus went to hell when he died and spread the gospel to them before he resurrected. Therefore they got born again as seen in 1 Peter 3:18-19: "For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, in order to bring you to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit, in which also he went and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison,"

1) So you're saying baptism is irrelevant- all you need to do is believe in Jesus.

2) Where in the bible does Mary believe in Jesus?

3) So, Moses was in hell until Jesus died?

Image123: No, they were not. It was the decision of some people. You're yet to sleep because you've decided not to, it's not your destiny either. On your birthday photo, you should note that according to God, He owns us. Unlike your robber friend. He's created the planets and the trees for a reason, they don't have free will, they simply obey and fulfill their purpose/destiny. But He made man in His image, with a purpose and with a will to fulfill or not. The choice is yours, be fulfilled or be unfulfilled.

Wow, you dont sound confident? Did I just give your argument a knockout blow?

There is no difference between God's thinking and the robber- the creation of planets is irrelevant.

davidylan: Ok now, we'll see...



Neither can you prove God somehow doesnt exist now can you? The only thing you can point to is a theory you barely have a grasp on right? Seriously is this what counts as "destroying your argument"?



Ok ignorant slowpoke. You do know that the lack of a fossil record for intermediate species is one of the biggest problems that the theory of evolution has right?
So because somehow we have an athlete who is able to complete the 100m dash in less than 9 secs is evidence that we are evolving into a faster specie?

Human resistance to disease is most often down to our ability to develop antibodies to the disease (hmmm read up on vaccination pls).



You failed in the basic ones i set for you. next?

What vaccine do I need to be immune from sun burn or skin cancer from UV rays from the sun? Even my british aunt, who is 100% white doesnt get sun burnt as she has lived all her life in Nigeria. What about resistance to AIDS that is touted as a sign for evolution?

As for the fossil records, have you not heard of transitional fossils that exhibit traits of different ancestral groups? Transitional fossils exist


I can't prove that demons are not in my bedroom. Does thta mean I have to live in fear of demons? Why do you live in fear of something that you can prove?


Oh my, did I just destroy your argument again?

davidylan: Read the above and weep. Obviously you live in delusion



I take it to mean you really know nothing about this subject that you bandy about. Good idea to shut about it next time.

Unlike you, I am honest about what I know and what I dont. Have you ever seen me arguing about evolution on Nairaland (except when I'm directly asked about it). For you to assume that I dont know anything about evolution is a lie and therefore a sin I know what I was taught in biology class in high school. Other than that, I'm just a business major


As for slavery, you have no points. Religion emboldened slavery of unbelievers. The catholic church supported the slavery for unbelievers and not christians.

Image123: You forgot to add that He also gave you a will with which you can change your destiny. Your decisions affect your destiny.

Destiny? Was did our forefathers do to deserve slavery from Europeans and Arabs? Were they destined to be slaves?

Please, explain or give your thoughts about this picture and freewill;

oiseworld: no! That's not what i meant. The penticostal churches like winners,redeem,cgmi, teach the word of God to understanding. I have attended different penticostal churches and i see they all say the same thing. I have not attended catholic,baptist,anlican churches before so i don't know how impacting they are. Its what you have that you give.

As a christian,you sill fail. As an ex-catholic, I know that the catholic church is the most organised church in the world. The first reading, second reading and gospel that will be read in mass in a catholic church in Lagos, will be the same in London or Las Vegas.

However, Pentecostal churches vary from from church. They use different readings and teach different themes and have varying time periods for services. Catholic masses are either 1 hour or an hour and 30 mins.


This is not to say that the catholic church is good or innocent. It is a monolithic force that can be very authoritarian

frosbel: "In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent." -Acts 17:30

Mary? What about Mary? Did she ever become born again or baptised?

Goshen360: @ logicboy,

Frosbel in the other thread answered you and image123 also gave you scriptures. I stand with them but I don't judge you still. My point is simply.

You dont judge me but you agree that I will burn in hell for eternity if I choose to remain an atheist.

God, why have thou forsaken me? Thou maketh me an atheist and now punisheth me for my disbelief?

davidylan: and these are the same folks who run around screaming about how science explains everything even though they have no clue what they spout beyond what they say on talkorigins.com and wikipedia?



and somehow a world without religion would be slavery free right? you do know that basic human nature exists?



What do you understand by evolution? Explain pls. Another airhead employing terms he doesnt understand.

and somehow a world without religion would be slavery free right? you do know that basic human nature exists?

1) Without religion, slavery would have been reduced a bit. Not slavery free but slavery reduced.

2) My understanding of evolution is basic. I dont need to be a genius to know that evolution and adam&eve do not mix.

davidylan: no but she mirrors the typical intellectually lazy attitude of the atheists here.



How do you know i have no experiences of my own? Unfortunately for you, it is not required for you to touch God to know that He exists... just the same way you do not need to have physically seen primordial soup to believe you evolved from that.



Just plain bull. Ok scientifically prove to me that you evolved. I await your learned reasons.

You must really think you have me cornered! I am not a scientist but allow me to destroy your argument;

1) you have no experiences of your own because you can not prove that God exists. Simple. The only think you can do is point to the bible. For every good thing you claim that God has done in your life, there is twice the sorrow and misery around the world for people who pray every day to the same God.

2) well, are there not fossils of hominids? What about human resistance to certain diseases? Human beings able to run faster and faster (cotinuously breaking speed records).


Common, give me harder questions. I have no degree in science as I am a business major but I am finding this to easy

Image123: "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. " (John 3:18).
i'm not going to pamper that boy, not tonight.

What? So, you will blast your son with passages about hell from the bible if he told you he is gonna be an atheist?

Goshen360: We might be saying same thing but in a different way. To be honest with you, you yourself, logicboy don't even know what happens to you tomorrow. You don't know so the issue of if you die an atheist is unsure. On the other hand, image123 has no right to condemn anyone,dats my point.

I dont know what the afterlife holds. I am quite honest about that. However, why cant you say the truth about your faith? Are you ashamed? Say it! Dont beat around the bush! Do you believe that I will burn in hell if I die an atheist?

You remind me of my muslim girlfriend who was trying to spin the fact that the koran doesnt allow an unbeliever like me to marry her as a muslim woman. She was beating around the bush. A clear conscience has nothing to hide.

Image123 is clearly wrong but he doesnt hide his convictions. So, answer my question about hell.

Like an christian nutjob, you dont even read your bible.

Tell me, did Moses in the old testament get born again? Was Mary ever baptised?

davidylan: no, what annoys is those of us who are in science have to endure the tortuous nonsense that passes for science from many of you ignorant bats for whom science is but a fig leaf for your own unbelief.

I always state that I am not a scientist. I dont need science to know that there is no God. All you need is simple logic and personal philosophy.

It was slavery that moved me a awy from christianity. Learning how Christianity came to West Africa and how slavery is supported in the bible. The worst part of it is that many christians still deny the involvement of their religion and slavery.

What turned me away from God is the fact that he can allow someone to suffer such a fate as slavery. Have you any idea what it is to be castrated or to be chained and whipped? What about human experiments with slaves? Cutting and sewing limbs as if human beings were dolls. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphine_LaLaurie


Evolution is just extra ammuntion when it comes to the fight against your imaginary god

Digriz: since mourinho had experience working alongside hs father then d same applies to d priest cuz the also came frm a home.

So everybody that has parents is now a marriage counselor


Mourinho's father's job was coaching. Are all rev fathers parents marriage counselors?

Ayomivic: You are talking about 64 % of one nation,let me remind you of what Jesus says.I quote "except those days should be shortened,there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect sake those days shall be shortened Matt 24 :22
that pacentage you made metion is too small. Satan aims for 100% of world population not of a country or two contries. Satan does not play with this, you are the one that take it with levity, and that is why Satan is using you also as harvester for himself.You better save your soul instead of taking solace in the numbers of faliures.
Truely, if every one is doing thesame as you,who will save.
"But he that shall endure unto the end,thesame shall be saved" matt 24:13

Are you OK?