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Image123: Christ came to give us power, to save us from sin. Nonetheless we still have the will to choose from day to day, who to obey and serve. It's like a potential that lies in every believer. There's that potential/possibility of being holy. Unfortunately, many do not fulfill it and they have their reward.
Hell was made for the devil and his angels, but any human who chooses not to follow God will join the devil there. You're either with God or without. Without God is hell.

Do you enjoy telling non-christains that they will burn in hell if they dont accept your God?

yommy2sure: dude u obviously dont knw who agnostics are, google or check a dictionary...agnostics believe you cant knw for sure if a god or God exist or not.

Types of agnosticism


This Euler diagram represents the relationship between some common theological positions, including some types of agnosticism, as sets and regions.
Agnosticism can be subdivided into several categories, some of which may be disputed. Variations include:

Agnostic atheism
Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not have belief in the existence of any deity, and agnostic because they do not claim to know that a deity does not exist.[16]

Agnostic theism
The view of those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence.[16]

Apathetic or pragmatic agnosticism
The view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of any deity, but since any deity that may exist appears unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic.[17]

Ignosticism
The view that a coherent definition of a deity must be put forward before the question of the existence of a deity can be meaningfully discussed. If the chosen definition is not coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of a deity is meaningless or empirically untestable.[18] A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "a deity exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against.

Strong agnosticism (also called "hard," "closed," "strict," or "permanent agnosticism"
The view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of a deity or deities, and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience. A strong agnostic would say, "I cannot know whether a deity exists or not, and neither can you."

Weak agnosticism (also called "soft," "open," "empirical," or "temporal agnosticism"
The view that the existence or nonexistence of any deities is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable; therefore, one will withhold judgment until/if any evidence is available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deities exist or not, but maybe one day, when there is evidence, we can find something out."

Spiritual Agnostic
Agnostics who follow a devoted practice to traditionally spiritual practices in the absence of the knowledge of God while being irreligious

yommy2sure: lolz...maybe you should go back to the previous page, where did i say i agree with one religeon. My point has been as much as I cannot prove to you that God exist, you cannot prove to me the he/she/it/they does not exist. Oh pls before you can say that then you must have all knowledge and know evrything, ie you must be omniscient, how do you know God is not in someones bedroom or cupboard Just saying....you will have to check evrybedroom in universe abi? Once upon a time people believed or assumed the earth is flat just becos they couldnt prove its spherical, obviously they were wrong they would have simply say they dnt knw...pls atheism is an illusion, agnostics are the real people plz...u guys should stop attacking religeous folks, the same way they cannot prove God's existence, that same way you too cant prove God's non-existence. Thanks for teaching me fish dnt have sense, they dnt sense wen danger is close, they stay there for you to catch them abi??

Agnostics are not perfect. They conveniently hide in the middle and say that they dont believe in a religion but believe in a supernatural force or god.

When asked to explain the supernatural force, they cant. Two choices, God or no God.

freshmoney: ^^^
If you don't know. We Christians and Muslims believe that we are serving the same God. Allah and Yahweh are the names of the Almighty God. Difference religions use their desired name to call Him, just as Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa call Him with different names. It is only the medium of worship that is different, nothing changed.

You atheists are set of lost people. Satan has got you and only God can save you

A flat Circle has no corner. A sphere can have a square cross section. And bible described earth as Spheroidal!

About the word 'EDITED'- This could have happened during translation, et al, Remember Bible was translated to English in 1611 by KJV.

If God appears to everyone of you, most of you will still doubt him. But like bible says, His ways can never be known by any Human. He remains the Lord, the Savior!

If you don't know. We Christians and Muslims believe that we are serving the same God.

That is a lie. Muslims believe that Jesus is not God.

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just as Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa call Him with different names.

Please, how did Nigerians get to know christianity? Is it not through slavery and colonization? Were there not names for God before the Portuguese and British and Arab slave traders came?

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A sphere has no corners. A sphere has no rectangular properties. The rectangular lines or latitude ot longitude are theoretical and dont exist in reality.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Sphere_wireframe_10deg_6r.svg/220px-Sphere_wireframe_10deg_6r.svg.png

brainpulse: So when a product refuses to conform to the required spec of the manufacturer or when it decides to function against its required, what do you think the manufacturer will do?

So logicboy i believe you dont exist too, i blieve your replies are computer automated replies.

So logicboy i believe you dont exist too, i blieve your replies are computer automated replies

-AI (artificial intelligence) of such magnitude doesn't exist.


So when a product refuses to conform to the required spec of the manufacturer or when it decides to function against its required, what do you think the manufacturer will do?

Like I said, If God is a manufacturer, he is a failure. What kind of manufacturer recalls 99% of his products (Noahs ark and flooding of the world). Also 2/3rd (66%) of the world is not christian- evidence that your God's products are not responding to him. Your God is a failure.

yommy2sure: child abuse... How many kids have you rescued from the street. Seriously i dont knw why people develop headache for other people's problem. Mctcheeeeeeeew

Kanye West said it best;

"heartless.....how could you be so heartless?"

femary2: What has EEG got to do with dreaming?Can EEG interpret/decode dreams?

Good question.

Scientist know that we human beings dream

They also know that we dream during sleep and our brain controls our thoughts

EEG recordings show that we go through five stages of sleep each with its characteristic brain-wave activity

We are more likely to dream in certain stages of sleep (REM periods)

People awakened from REM periods in sleep experiments report they've been dreaming 80%- 100% of the time


In fact, brain-imaging studies show that the neurons in the cerebral cortex become much more active during REM sleep (Munglani and Jones, 1992)


http://www.csun.edu/~vcpsy00h/students/dreams.htm

femary2: Do you dream?Show me evidence that you had a dream yesterday.You know you always seek physical evidence for existence/God.If you can show me evidence that you had a dream,then your evidence for God's existence is not far fetched.

Ever heard of EEG? Your ignorance is showing

femary2: You can insult and say whatever you like but one thing is sure tonight,you foundational believes(atheism) has been shaken to the roots.whether its eledumare or allah or jehovah,there DEFINITELY exists a supreme being that created the universe or humans as we see it.just as dogs are lower mammals with lower intelligence than humans so also is human with lower intelligence than God or creator.

Oh, really?


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Enigma: So you are adding dishonesty to your new found atheism?

Who "derailed" the thread? Afterall, you say you've clarified your position and you claim to have seen me clarify mine.

Now you agree that I "derailed" the thread "cowardly".

Please troll harder

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nyameke: Some of the ignorance on display on this thread is amazing....ignorance is definetly the biggest and deadliest disease facing mankind..even deadlier than the Aids virus...

For those seeking the existence of the creator well look no further than your DNA Cus God's name has been inscribed in our DNA... The creators name is YHWY...

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how is God's name in our DNA?

Enigma: ^^^ Ọmọde ko mọ ogun, o npe l'ẹfọ.

Tribalist as well! Do o think that all Nigerians speak Yoruba?

Enigma: It is not my business whether some people want to talk about the existence or non-existence of God.

I posted a comment in support of a comment I agreed with. My post was in line with flow of discussion on the thread. If people did not take time to understand my post or if some have comprehension problems, I cannot be held responsible ---- having expressed myself quite clearly enough in the first place.

Nobody should mind this coward called Enigma. He/she can not defend his religion and so, he either derails the thread or chooses to cheerlead his religous companions, no matter how stupid the comments are

kinesis: Thank God u mentioned d bible says ts 6000years cz I cnt find it anywhere in d bible. All I knw d bible says is a day to u may b a million years or 1000 to God and vice versa. Being stated is it nt clear enuf dat even atheist who are a little objective in their tinkin conclude dt d bible is precise and correct in time and ageing of the universe? I find ur answer to my statement flawed wt subjectivism. what else has evolved after man? Nuffin. dt shows d bible is right in its arrangement of evolution dt science tinks christians don't want. Man is d last of Gods creation.Christians were blinded by subjective tinkin. But dt ws back in d day. If we were to pick out d bible nd argue den we wud nt need to argue at all.

You can try and force the bible into reality but you will always fail. The bible is a fairytale. It is about (not counting the 5 creation days before) 6,000 years from Adam to our current generation (historians have added up the time). The earliest fossils are 195,000 years old. The bible is a lie

Jenwitemi: God is not dead. It is us, Africans, who are dead to our own needs. When God carry brain give us but to use am na heavy wahala. We go rot in our own juice unless we start to use the gifts handed to us by our maker. We love blaming the maker for our predicaments instead of blaming ourselves. I guess that's why we're so religious. Blame others for your conditions but never yourself.

God doesnt exist but we have only ourselves to blame if we dont find a way to make Naija better

Digriz: so,u hv d guts to curse ur creator,mehn am so so sorry for u.

God doesnt exist. How do you christians sleep at night? Going around telling non-christians (eg buddhists, muslims, atheists, traditionalists etc)that they will burn in hell for not believeing your God?

Blackteeth: Forget what the bible says and think independently.

I am not a bible pusher....I was just saying that science contradicts the bible

brainpulse: I laugh at your ignorance. A product telling the manufacturer that nobody created him. If God never created or owns you then its your choice to fabricated where you came from. Its a bitter truth and harsh fact that image123 is painfully trying to give you. Your disbelieve about God can never and I repeat can never change the way the Sun shines and other creations.

You should call yourself "Zeropulse" or "BrainDead" because you are not thinking.


God is a manufacturer? Then he is a failure. For him to recall 99% of all his creations/products (Noah and flooding the whole earth) amdstill end up with a new sinful world is testament to God's incompetence or non-existence.

Lol, did you copy and paste this fiction again?


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kinesis: Even the science atheist rely on is incomplete nd imperfect to d xtent dt so many tins cannot b xplained. D way man saw creation ws in 7days... Nd d sequences matches exactly what science has said. D sun is d oldest of all existence. Man is actually d yungest. oUr science nd our bible don't dispute dat. True atheist r js confused nd use these argument to justify their black-horse ridden ways. Sori to say bt ts d truth as far as I can see. I hv encountered many in person and they all r d same.

Science says the world is 4.5 billion years, your bible says it's 6,000

KINGwax: sometime's, words are inserted in statements to prove a point even when there aint one. So, atheists don't kill?

No, religious people have an extra reason to kill more than atheists- God.

Religion has killed more people than atheism. No one kills because they are atheist. If an atheist kills, he kills because he is bad. Religion can turn a young rich boy into a christmas bomber

Ranks007: The worst set of folks that shouldn't be on planet earth are atheists!!

All the dead bodies caused by christians/muslims says different

sapien: How cretinous and daft can you be!Was English the language of the jews?Did the jews speak in British or America English?

is that not why I would say that he couldnt speak English in the 1st place? Wow, you are thick

rastamouse: Atheist can only come up with dumb explanation on this thread. They have no sensible explanation to offer.

Did you just come here with a blocked mind

Intelligent design has been debunked

1) Adaptation. If we were intelligently designed to live in this world, why do human beings and every other animal need to adapt to their environment? 70% of the world is water in which we can not live in. We live in a world destined to kill us. Every day, our immune system fights off germs and bacteria but it continually fails us periodically when we get sick. When a car is built, is it not designed to withstand it's environment? Right from birth we fail at withstanding our environment. We are vulnerable as babies. Without our parents putting us in a clean environment, we are as good as dead.

2)Many things happen by chance. The first idea for a car or motion could have been a rolling boulder or stone from a mountain. What about fulgurite (glass made naturally from lightening and sand)? For glass to be made out of sand and lightening, there has to be a lot of conditions present and yet, there was no intelligent designer. What about caves? An earthquake could create a cave that could be used as shelter and yet no intelligent designer. The world is random and random variables can create a beautiful thing.

jaylinaa: CHILDABUSELOLOLOLOL

I know, you love slapping young girls like your daddy, Oyedepo

jaylinaa: Why so wounded? Care to share?

Unlike you, I dont support child abuse.

jaylinaa: Yet another Oyedepo slander *yawns*

Sharaap there, you Oyedepo lover. I hope he slaps you for your follow follow

jaylinaa: I bet we all try to interprete our bible passages in a way that's most convenient to us. Yes, there is an attraction but it doesn't have to be sexual. Wait, before you attack lol, there are different kinds of attraction and you saying it is sexual attraction that endears us in the first place might be you speaking for yourself. Just might.

I do not always look at an attractive man with thoughts of unleashing on bed. It could be thoughts like "oh, such a fine young man, would love to wake up to such a pleasant sight" or something like that. Really doesn't have to be sexual and even though I haven't read my bible back to back, I'm almost sure my maker sees no wrong in that

I can understand that.

ralfo85: Your logic here in my opinion is wrong. There is no scripture that implies that having a passion for ones beloved is wrong, and neither is it fornication. I wonder what scripture you are refering to here. Christian couples can have healthy romance during courting, song of Solomon is proof of that; there you can see the fantasies and imaginative dialogs, even dreams the shulamite maiden had of are beloved.

Most christians dont read their bible.

Matthew 5:28

But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.



This is what makes relationships based on the bible very stupid. How can you choose a partner without thinking about intimacy when s.e.xual attraction is what makes us attracted to the opposite s.ex on the first place.


Contradictory to mathew 5;28;


Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

buzugee: fail, the catholic church compiled the bible but black israelite men wrote the bible. when antiochus epiphanes broke into and took over israel, he stole all the manuscripts in the temple. then the greek empire got took over by the roman empire. the roman empire took the scrolls and compiled it into the bible. all under the auspices of the lord of course. the lord works in mysterious ways. the israelites were slacking and he let them get invaded by heathens and the heathens compiled the scrolls into the bible and now the heathens are now convicted because they now have the convenants which only the israelites had. the lord let them convict themselves and now the whole world has the bible and no one can say they dont have the convenant

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LOL

I actually like you when you debate freestyle. You are the funniest guy on Nairaland. However, when you start your racist theories and history, I wonder whether you take cocaine

buzugee: you do know that just because someone holds the holy bible does not mean they are off the lord right ? you do know that the catholic church is a satanic cult right ? so if they get involved, which they did, in slavery, thats what they are supposed to do. are you acting surprised that satan enslaved people ? thats what he does. its like being surprised that an artist can draw.

The catholic church is satanic but the compiled the bible which you use and claim to be holy

You fail.


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