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Enigma: ^^^ But since he is still a Christian (and you don't even know my standards), it is ok then to say your father too can't see outside his delusion --- which is why he is deluded in the first place.

How do you know that he is a christian? My father hasnt stepped foot in a church for the past 10 years neither have I seen him pray or read the bible.


You went all the way to egypt to worship in a church.

OLAADEGBU: Both davidylan and okeyxyz have exposed you as a pot calling a kettle black.

How? I am not a scientist.

It seems that the prophet Muhammad was allowed to marry his cousins. That is, his uncles daughter!

Sahih International Surah 33;50
O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

Well, Muhammad married Zaynab Bint Jahsh, who was his father's sister's daughter.

Enigma: ^^^ Last time you said you would call your father a brainwashed tool just as you called me. Now again, I imagine you will also agree that you will say your father can't see outside hois delusion as you've just said to me?

My father is not a christian by your standards.

hisblud: hallucinating, look at what transpired between me and you
i asked

and you replied


From the above, you agreed that DEATH is the point of change/transformation,now what comes from death if i may ask, if not NEW LIFE, what then? so am i hallucinating by stating an observable fact of science or you want to refer me to latest discovery that seeds dont die, then form NEW LIFE before growth etc?

nope......the death of some animals (and decomposition) gives life to new plants.

the death of a religion can give birth to a new religion or irreligion.


There is no resuurection

Enigma: ^^^ I will not waste time arguing with you; all I will say is that I have been in churches in Egypt and I have worshipped with those Sudanese refugees and others . . . .

You cant see outside your delusion. /that is why you're deluded in the first place

OLAADEGBU: As davidylan rightly said, it is pseudo-science.

Davidylan has been exposed as a quack biologist

ijawkid: Lol.....

They'll always keep denying a fact that is right in front of them.........

The truth is logicboy would fit for an atheist bishop.....lol.....

He's good @ the evangelizing job......lol

Damn ignorance again!

Watch the video and you would realise that the guy's job was to cater for atheist,agnostic and humnanist students.



Atheism is a religion myth....

lol...if the Quran is complete, then the Quran alone should suffice for muslims.


However, it is a shameful thing that Quranists are seen as heretics. This further turns non-muslims who are quite observant away from Islam

OLAADEGBU: You say that you are a slave to no one, don't you believe that your ancestors come from ape-like creatures? Is that not the white man's ideology?

That is science.

Enigma: The expression "modern-day Christianity" is telling; also, it is in part a reflection of one sad and glaring but very common mistake on Nairaland in particular - which is the simplistic (or even sometimes duplicitous) assumption/expression that Christianity is represented by the ubiquitous prosperity "gospel".

Go to Egypt, for example, and see materially poor Sudanese refugees worshipping joyfully in a generally sedate Anglican church where nobody talks anything about material prosperity; think of China where the underground house church movement remains strong despite persecution; try the UK where the traditional churches including especially the Anglicans do not preach or practise tithing and where there are constant debates about the application of the Bible in light of contemporary circumstances; even in Nigeria where the Anglican church (unlike Anglicans elsewhere) still preach/practise tithing, there is certainly still a recognisable intellectual dimension to faith.

So this broad-brush of "modern-day Christianity" is inadvisable or to be used with advised caution; true that abuses within the Nigerian brand of the prosperity "gospel" in particular are undeniable but that is not representative of what Christianity is and, nevertheless, even within that aberration you have voices (even if a minority) calling for reform.

Lies....those churches in Egypt are very organized, they still collect offering and offer false hopes to members. The give false hopes that God will protect them from intolerant muslim extremists in Egypt. God has failed so far

vedaxcool: O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation . . ., there we have it, he was allowed to retain his wife he had already marry and this privilege was allowed only for him . . . [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers . . .

Lol....no mention of number of wives. Also, I do not know how many wives he had at the time of that revelation.



Anyways, if even you are right......in theory, you are saying that muhammad could have married all the single believing women in the world and it would still be right in Allah's eyes.


lol....this is a battle you cant win. However, I must admit that I'm still reeling from the roundhouse kick

Sahih International
O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

Off topic, but doesnt it shock some people that it is OK to marry your uncle's daughter in islam? What does science tell us about doing that? Birth defects in offsprings.

vedaxcool: I can't be sure any answer given would sink in as it were! As usual you are not really worth the bother!


O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
Qur'an 33:50

....Vedaxcool returns with an amazing roundhouse kick to the head! Can logicboy recover?........

Logicbwoy: Name one ignorant statement that I made on this thread


While you are at it, show me the quote in the Quran where Muhammad received special rights to get 12 wives rather than 4. The Quran is complete as you always remind me.

Erm, that verse makes no mention of the numbers of wives. Furthermore, that verse is quite odd since muslims at muhammad's time had "what your right hand posseses". They were marrying captured POW's.

So, lets recap;

Vedaxcool was sparring with logicboy. Vedaxcool, threw two punches (muhammad had special rights and you dont know the Quran) and logicboy parried the blows (there were other prophets and I mentioned facts). Logicboy then gave an uppercut (there is no verse in the Quran that says such about the prophet and his wives), which sent Vedaxcool to the ropes. A dazed Vedaxcool tags Maclatunji to jump in. Maclatunji throws in the same kind of blows (Muhammad had special rights; calm down little boy) but as usual, logicboy replies with a mean uppercut (no evidence of that in the Quran) Maclatunji is quite dazed..........



.......LagosShia, Tintingz and Sweetnecta are watching from the sidelines; will there be a new challenger?

ijawkid: Lol....

I aint bro.....

I'll be happy when one day u guys will agree that ur a religious group.(An anti-God) group....

Soon u'"ll be having pastors and all of it....hehehehehe

I give up. I have never met an ignorant person like you who is happy to be ignorant. Daviddylan is a smart guy. He is a good liar. But you, you know nothing and you are damn proud of being damn ignorant.

Atheism is not a religion. Can never be.

maclatunji: Little boy go and sit down, the Prophet had special privileges and prohibitions not applicable to other Muslims. So, post all you want, these are God's laws.

Post the verse in the Quran as evidence, old man.

ijawkid: Then when we Àtheism is fast becoming a religion of its own you all argue......

Na small small sha......

You scared?

vedaxcool: ^^
so pointing out that you are ignorant is seen as insults? that is something new! use your time in England to understand English, ignorance is very terrible indeed!

Name one ignorant statement that I made on this thread


While you are at it, show me the quote in the Quran where Muhammad received special rights to get 12 wives rather than 4. The Quran is complete as you always remind me.


This is good. Vedaxcool is on the ropes.

okeyxyz: please tell me how a person rejecting one oracle/deity automatically becomes an atheist? We all know there were many gods & spirits in the time of our forefathers, So how have you come about the assurance that a man who rejects one has automatically rejected all of them? You like to summon science & technology as your basis for rejecting all religion, so, please do tell: on what basis did your "ancestral atheist" exist?

Example my grandmum did not believe in superstition. She didnt follow the recommendations of the village priestess and neither did she follow jesus. She said that her children are more important than those things.

hisblud: my point is since its an observable fact that all living things including seeds die, then the seeds come to LIFE before growing again, why do you think it will be impossible for the dead people to rise again?

Seeds come back to life? You sure that you're not hallucinating?

vedaxcool: truly there lies the problem

lol....insults? You can defend your prophet and so you run to insults.


Quran says 4 wives, your Prophet had 12 wives. Nw you are saying that the prophet had special dispensation wtihout even quoting the Quran where the prophet was given special rights from Allah.


Shameful.


It must be painful and hard to accept a kaffir or mushrik debunking you

ijawkid: Lol....

See how you are brainwashed? Keep letting Davidylan lead you astray. He is a quack biologist that got caught lying about transitional fossils

davidylan: Ah the debunked vestigial organ nonsense rearing its head once again? less than 100 yrs ago, fools like you thought the appendix was just as useless as the wisdom teeth. Again an example of an "evidence" in search of a hypothesis.

Huh? Did I mentin appendix? That is called a strawman. The wisdom teeth are quite different. billions of people do not grow them. Everyone has an appendix.

davidylan: those atheists are asian. why dont you go buy your own black-made electronic products?

See i wasnt doing an uncle tom, just showing you how intellectually bankrupt your argument is. See... to the typical white or asian atheist... you are just another in the long line of inferior black people who should be removed from their countries to your jungle in Africa... you think they care that you dont believe in God too?

lol.......now you're adding Asian? Before it was white only

Inferior blacks? Wow, uncla tom much?
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Why not address the transitional fossils? You want to escape? Admit it, you were caught lying about biology![/size]

davidylan: you're confused and arrogating unnecessary importance to your trolling to make urself feel better.
Christians like me are perfectly fine that christian threads are in the minority... its been a long ride but 7 yrs after this forum first debuted, it is to be expected that as the original posters matured and moved on with their private lives... this place will become a shadow of its former self. Normal... it has very little to do with blowhards like you. Unlike 4-5 yrs ago when i had a good 6 hrs or more to devote to NL, i'm here perhaps no more than 2-3 hrs a week and with time it will dwindle to zero.

Fear and anger? i laugh in greek. I am a part of 2 very well run christian theology debate groups on FB... why would i be angry because you are here choking the life out of a once vibrant section with your illiterate bluster when i spend an increasing part of my time enjoying the banter elsewhere? Dude come down from your high horse... its not needed.

No you're not more vocal... YOU and your tiny posse of ignorant bedfellows are no match for the likes of mazaje, duduspace, KAG, Nferyn, Tudor and co. Now THOSE where very intelligent, well-versed atheists... look up their names here, compare their posts to yours and weep. You dont hold a candle to those guys. they were FAR MORE VOCAL than you can ever be but it was always a pleasure taking them on in lively debates... your threads are nothing but a monument to the decline in educational standards.

Epic fail. Majaze AKA "electricity was invented"?

You chose those atheist because they were not hardcore and hard hitting like me. I read a lot of past threads and most of those atheists sounded neutered.

Sorry but the evidence remains that for once, christian threads are a minority here. Wasnt like this when I first joined.

davidylan: racism where? I'm black like you so what are you blathering about?

What is this nonsensical "atheist product" you seem to be bleating about?

Your "uncle tomliness" is racism enough. Calling me and other black atheists "black monkey"


You use sony products from Japan? Guess what? It's run by atheists in Japan. How do I know this? My muslim room mate was the assistant to two high ranking japanese managers. One was the reigional manager for Asia.

davidylan: Even the bible says not to cast your pearls before swine. We endured much worse... the only difference being the atheists here circa 2005-2009 where very smart. Today all we have are useless rabble rousers.

The difference here is that we are more vocal. Christians like you cant believe that christian threads are in the minority. Fear and anger are making you lash out.

Such a wonderful sight

davidylan: Bro puhlease... enough with the fake outrage. Rather than foaming in the mouth... why dont you EXPLAIN to us what you mean by this statement - Furthermore, humans become or give birth to more evolved humans and monkeys become more evolved monkeys.

Please where are the "more evolved" humans abeg. Thank you.

I saw your empty bluster up there too... we are "losing" our wisdom teeth? How hilariously untrue. Go ask dentists who have to remove thousands of wisdom teeth every year.

Epic ignorance from a fake biologist;

The American Dental Association estimates that about 25 to 35% of people in the world will never get any of their wisdom teeth in. Another 30% will only get 1 to 3 of them in. And interestingly enough, there are some people who get more than 4 wisdom teeth, although those cases are rare.

We are losing our wisdom teeth because we are eating more palatable food than our ancstors. We are adapting to our dietary routines

vedaxcool: The problems lies in your ignorance, the prophet was given special privileges, hence he was allowed to marry over the limits placed upon other Muslims, and at the same time prevented from divorcing any one of them, I suspect strongly that hardly in ur life time as a catholic have u woken up to pray for most of the night, yet this was the case for prophet muhammad pbuh all night every day he had to wake up at night and pray to God, this is written in the Qur'an furthermore if the prophet had done something undesirable Allah would have rebuke him for it, just like sura Abasa . . . In this sura the prophet pbuh merely frowned at a blind man, and Allah cautioned him for such behavior . . ., and u are very free not to believe him even Allah said if he wanted he would have made all men believe . . . So u not believing him does what exactly? I think till man knows whether every single man living in the world decides to disbelief in God, they are the ultimate losers not God!

The prophet is not God. He is a man. All men are equal. If God gave all men one rule we should all follow it.


What makes Muhammad more special than other prophets? Was he as peaceful as Jesus? Was he as submissive as Ayuub? one had zero, the other one wife.


Abeg, you can worship muhammad and put him above the law of the Quran but I will never ever follow a man that breaks the law that he tells people that God narrated to him. Would I allow my daughter to even be friends with a man that had 12 wives?


There is no valid reason for having 12 wives. None. Peolple freed slaves without marriage. People created alliance without marriage.

1) If freeing slaves was good through marriage, was Muhammad not sexist towards male slaves?
2) Kings of the past created alliances through marriages of their children, cousins, nephews, neices or at least, their noble men.
3) Kings also forged alliances through treaties and apprenticeship of other king's sons.



12 wives is not chaste.

okeyxyz: Really?, then we can follow from your reasons that every gun crime & all wars are crimes of science, instead of crimes of the persons/rulers perpetrating them. Please do yourselves a favour by reviewing your logic. To say christianity is the criminal is a very nonsensical way of thinking. Yes, blame "christians", i don't have any argument against that, But christianity? definitley NO!!.

Ignoramus, your bible supports slavery and genocide.


#fail so hard

ijawkid: Who are christians??

Followers of Christ right??

Oya did christ own slaves or did he engage in any form of profit making through slave trade??

Did early christians buy and sell slaves??

If Jesus didn't,if his apostles didn't then I can boldly tell every hater of true christianity that the churches who engaged in the slave trade saga were all false.....

They are and were pseudo-christians who never followed Jesus foot steps but became un-evenly yoked with d world.......

Those were d same set of false christians who engaged in wars and are still engaging in them till date.......

They are nothing like my master Jesus........

Jesus wuld deny them all when d end comes.....

1) Jesus's apostles supported slavery
2) Jesus never complained about slavery. He never talked about it when it was common place around him.
3) Most churches supported slavery. The catholic church supported slavery when there were no protestants. This means that at least 95% of churches you see today were supporters of slavery because the were catholic in origin. Most churches came from catholcism.
4) The bible supports slavery and Jesus did not correct that.