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Ishilove: Lol. U be proper weyrey

FX is on missionary work in Congo

Code;

Missionary work = missionary style

congo = bushy vajajay!

LagosShia: Welcome!

I saw your post on the other thread.


Still, it shows that Muhammad was above the quota

ogoamaka99: @ poster,
May i tell you why serious christian had withdrawn from the forum.This is because no serious minded fellow will like to waste his or her precious time in this forum.

I guess you aint a serious christian then.

Delafruita: the reality is there is no sensible explanation.the real fear of christians is this-if these verses are debated with logic,and the message put side by side the present day reality,it will rubbish the claims of the bible been written by inspiration of a god who is all-knowing.if god inspired paul to suppress women and slaves,didnt the all-knowing god know that slavery will one day be abolished and women will hold a conference in beijing and then begin to advocate their own rights?
it will make christians face the reality that paul wrote his epistles based on the prevailing culture of his time and he didnt receive any instruction from the spirit.he simply wrote what he believed was right.
christians cant face this reality so those verses aren't discussed at bible study

Delafruita, carry go!

okeyxyz: @logicbwoy, What's controversial about the verses??

Apparently, you're a sexist bigot and a murderer to see nothing wrong in the verses

Uyi Iredia: I don't think it was just a propaganda tool. I think it accidentally became a propaganda tool. Take for instance, >aryy Slessor's presence in Calabar. She had no initial support from the goverment and was supported by missionary societies which were themselves funded by donations& tithes from churches. It was later on as she became 'localized' that the British government began to see the role that she & by extension other missionaries could play in better effectuating the colonial government. The missionaries being dutiful citizens of their country worked with their government. This is how the British government slowly began supporting missionary works because it saw Christianity as a means of creating loyal subjects to the Empire.

Why did you just add salt and pepper to Mary Slessor's story?


Not all tribes were killing twins, by the way. Furthermore, your christains took slaves from Nigeria. Christians wer in Nigeria since the 16th century, tet the first school was in 19th century, when slavery ended. Apparently, Nigerian slaves/monkeys didnt need schools from the view of christians

Uyi Iredia: Another logicboy special. I'm waiting for the day he (logicboy) will rest on his oars.

lol.......why not enjpy my threads rather than wait for the end?

LagosShia: as usual logicbwoy is seeking attention.

please next time search nairaland for already existing or related topics to get your answers if it is answers you're truly looking for.

review these:

https://www.nairaland.com/53711/muhammeds-multiplicity-marriage

https://www.nairaland.com/870936/why-it-prophet-mohammed-27

Thanks, lagosShia

Sweetnecta: you sound so immature that you might actually be a spoiled brat.
you need to grow up because mum and dad will not be in england or around you for the rest of your life.

amazing that you have a woman interested in a personality such as yours.

let me let you wallow up in mud of ignorance.

i see why many ignore you and think you are a joke.

anyone would have seen that more responsibility/law is put upon Muhammad, in salah and on marriage it is a on a political purpose and within a restricted window. Muhammad [sa] suffered more than any muslim of his time onward, and every prophet and his community before Muhammad [as to each prophet].

Women love spoilt brats. Spoilt brats come from rich families.


But I am not a child or a spoilt brat or your younger brother and I did not insult you on this thread.


Muhammad did not suffer like. Ayuub suffered- lost his money and family. Ayuub was still a devout worshipper of God. Why must muhaammed be above the quran when it comes to number of wives?

See as these two guys (LagosShia and Sweetnecta) are just yabbing me for asking a simple question.

musKeeto: Does anyone here honestly believe that dropping religion would make Nigeria a better place?

The fear of hell may have kept some Christians from attacking Muslims.Compel them to believe that that which they believe is false and all HELL could be let lose.

For those who claim to be aware, it behooves to ensure that we fight the right battle: not loss or destruction of religion(for the sad truth is some ppl are too dependent on the system to let go even in the face of stark evidence), but promotion of right and critical thinking, in essence REASON and LOGIC..

I think with this, religion would retreat to its proper place in society: in the old dusty books and the bedrooms of believers..

No humanist will tell you that he wants to eradicate religion. The point is that people should be educated on the limits of their religion. They can keep their religion but not force it on on others. They should also understand the moral limits of their religion

ijawkid: I and GOSHEN have and had explained those verses to u a million times but u always stick to ur opinion.......

Its very wrong bro......

Ur lookin @ those verses with a skeptic eye not with an eye that seeks understanding....

Really? Explain it!

LoveKing: dont be this dumb. Thats a song for thier handlers. You should know better

Jay-z; "lord Jesus, please be my saviour"

Mavado; "Jah, Jehovah, how excellent is thy name"

Ishilove: Nigga go hug a transformer

Remove sand from your vajajay, sistah!

Evil Brain: What's controversial about the 3 verses? They all look pretty clear-cut to me.

Women shouldn't never be senior to men and should STFU in church. Slaves should keep their heads down no matter how cruel their masters are. And the Samarians have misbehaved so God is going to have them killed violently; their babies will be bludgeoned and their pregnant women gutted.

Which part don't you understand?

LMAO

musKeeto: Lol @ evilbrain

Controversial verses are those about the talking donkey, the whale submarine (Jonah), and the unforgivable sin against the holy ghost...

For animal right activists, those unfortunate possessed pigs that got drowned..

Guy, e be like say you don become spiritual humanist hindu

Sweetnecta: the condition of the messenger [sa] is different from that of the general muslims.

for example, he was commanded to make nightly prayers.
muslims can but not as it is in the case of the messenger which is a must.

so his condition with marriage though politically is different in conditions to the general muslims who are limited to 4 at the same time but can continue to divorce and marry throughout life as long it is not more that 4 at anytime.

Muhammad [sa] was told in surah azhab, if all his wives were die or divorce from him, no more wife. so he could have been without a wife at the time of death, whereas the general muslims can have 4 wives at the time of death.

Muhammad [sa] would not charity, but gifts, whereas the general muslims can eat charity.

Muhammad's position is special and its a good thing and the allowance for him on marriage brought success and political victory, alliances and peace to the young and growing community.

What? Muhammad is treated differently from other people? The laws of the Quran do not apply to him?

lagerwhenindoubt: Everything is EPIC with you logicboy

Even the lager I drink is epic! We should be drinking buddies, [b]Lager[/b]whenindoubt


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22 years a catholic and I never saw/heard a controversial bible quote in the 3 readings that are read out during catholic masses.


Even within those 22 years, there were times that I went to pentecostal churches when I was staying with relatives. Never any controversial passages used.

Examples of controversial verses;
-“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)
-Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)
- "Samar'ia shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open." (Hosea 13:16)

Copied from the internet;


Mohammed married 15 women and consummated his marriages with 13.
Here is a list of wives of Mohammed:

1. Khadija/Khadijah bint Khuwailid/Khywaylid - died first

2. Sawda/Sauda bint Zam’a

3. 'Aisha/Aesha/’A’ishah - 8 to 9 yrs old, 2nd wife

4. Omm/’Umm Salama/Salamah

5. Hafsa/Hafsah

6. Zaynab/Zainab of Jahsh

7. Jowayriya/Juwairiyya bint Harith

8. Omm Habiba

9. Safiya/Safiyya bint Huyai/Huyayy bint Akhtab

10. Maymuna/Maimuna of Hareth

11. Fatima/Fatema/Fatimah

12. Hend/Hind

13. Asma of Saba

14. Zaynab of Khozayma

15. Habla?

16. Asma of Noman / bint al-Nu’man

¾ slaves / concubines ¾

17. Mary the Christian/Copt

18. Rayhana/Raihana/Rayhanah bint Zayd/Zaid

¾ uncertain relationship -

19. Omm Sharik

20. Maymuna/Maimuna (slave girl?)

21. Zaynab/Zainab the third?

22. Khawla / Khawlah

lagerwhenindoubt: Great Britain has taken the route of Multi-Culturalism, Everything is accepted, Jews, Arab-Muslims, Nigerian-Christians, Jamaican-Haitians, African-Indians, Chinese Students, Non-Gay Catholic Priests etc All is welcomed cept Atheists

Over 30% of British are atheists. Epic Fail

I like the various answers that I am getting!

davidylan: yawn. You must all be so "proud" of urselves that your posts are what make me "disappear"... i work and travel pretty much every 4-5 days... severely limiting my ability to adequately respond to the idiocy that passes for posts from many of you "transitional fossil" charlatans.

I'll be available for a bit today to take on logicbwoy's silliness.

Abeg, try and deny the existence of human transitional fossils. Or are you fellow human biologists liars? Or is it that you're a quack biologist that is paid to travel around spreading creationist babble?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Wow[/quote]As usual, you are ignorant.

It is not surprising that you believe these fear stories. Ignorant christian. It seems fear is central to keeping christian sheep believeing

Some sources say 11, some say 13.


If he truly had 11 wives, how come the Quran gives the limit of 4 wives?

hisblud: hi logicboy are you still there

Yes, but there is nothing to talk to you about. Get to0 your point about death.

tintingz: welldon brother. . .may almighty God bless you more and more. . .now to the atheist is it true that your first human being is an ape dinning with dinosaurs?

Lol...does history, archaeology or science show that the first human beings were Adam and Eve? No.

The first human beings are dated to 200,000 years ago. Even educated christians and Jews state that Adam and Eve is a myth,

lagerwhenindoubt: logicboy - why u dey set traps

Olaadegbu caged himself

OLAADEGBU: Jay-Z's lyrics that goes into you replays itself in your actions and words. 'As a man thinks so is he' (Prov. 23:7).

I listen to Jay-z, I dont "think" Jay-z

Sweetnecta: @Logicbwoy: First human beings or first human being? Adam [as] is the first human being. Name your first human beings if you are knowledgeable and watch your own conscience tell you that you are deceiving yourself.
Adam obeyed the laws of Allah. And when he disobeyed the commandment he disobeyed, he repented and his repentance was accepted. What he was inspired to repent with is a prayer seeking forgiveness and guidance and you will find it in the Quran! we already know that jews were disobedient folks and did not come into existence until after Jacob at the earliest, whereas there were human communities and generations and nations before Jacob was born.

The first Human beings Were not Adam and Eve. Adam is a Hebrew name. Hebrew as a language only existed about 3000-4000 years ago. The first humans came about 200,000 years ago.

The first human beings were from Africa not from the Middle east.

Sweetnecta: Since you can't see Him, you deny the truth that you don't see everything before you agree they exist. You shut your mind when it comes to your Sustiner, yet you do not see me, except my post that you can read, but then you believe sweetnecta exist. And the medium that i communicate this to you is the nairaland site. But God Communicates His Presence through the world around you and your place in it. Yet as you fit quite okay in this system called universe, you ignorantly and arrogantly deny the Owner, Who owns you. Yet you are aging, inching close to your end and you are not reflecting and rethinking your position. Your heart seem to be like that of Pharaoh and or Hitler. Hutchinson, your atheist leader is dead. There is no escaping it and he has known that he is a denier by now. Will you let let your case be exactly like his, dead as an ignorant soul?

Nobody owns me, I am not a slave. There is no evidence for your God.

Sweetnecta: Your ancestors came from some where, from a single man. Or do you think we all arrive as invisible people all at once on earth and when mom got pregnant, the invisible you got in at the end of the rough play between mom and dad? Then germinate to visible in the tummy and as a little man came out? if this your concept or whatever your concept about man on earth, Allah has chosen Muhammad [sa] as the last messenger, while fatherless Jesus and non eloquent Moses where chosen before, along with others. Illiteracy does not mean lacking in articulation. Allah taught Muhamamad [sa] and that made the whole process foolproof with ironclad evidences.

My ancestors did not come from a single man. Go and learn science. Muhammad chose to create Allah in a cave. Why do all religions have racist Gods? Zeus chose Greek Kings, Allah chose Arabic Muhammad, Yaweh chose Jewish prophets, etc

Sweetnecta: And the igbo people say they are jews and you have no problems with that, but have problem with Arab leading mankind after so much failures from the jews.

Who cares

Sweetnecta: yeah. you read me. you can reread it to get it into your system. maybe it will sink in at some point, and your heart my get healed.

Shut up. You're the one that needs healing from God delusion!

Sweetnecta: you seem to roll everything on person issue based on the bold. I am sure if you are a thief you will find a reason to justify stealing and blame the owner of stolen property for having the property in the first place. You are not making sense and you need to remove "logic" from each of your id. You will win hands down the way you argue because ignorance always win because its a dogged down ideology. I can't be bothered with you since you seem to be opposite what is expected of normality. What if the muslims woman is your sister? Will you okay if she is the happy meal of men who will not want her? I remember an igbo this year getting angry that an Yoruba like me married a woman from the igbo tribe. And she is a muslim and i am not doing taste testing on her and didn't do it on her before marrying her. And you expect muslim to register his happiness that a Godless person like you is fornicating a muslim woman. Be real.

Islam hates women. What is it about menstruation that frightens Allah if he is the creator?

vedaxcool: God can not die for any reason, whether out love or out mans' owm cruelty, it is not just possible, because God is the Wise, his wisdom supersedes any logic we can espouse, a mother dying for her child could primary be due to lack of choice, God can never fall into lack of choice category, it could be due to lack of power etc. God can never fall into lack of power category, . . . we can sit here and devise simulated events and because of His attributes, He would always nullify any possible reason to die for anybody, . . . God's wisdom will always provide a solution which he can enforce and due to this fact, He can NEVER die for any human what so ever because He always have a solution to whatever problem that exist, is it life or death, a cure? And the fact that you conceive LOVE to mean one MUST die again shows the flawed thinking that you want us to believe, The fact that God didn't not put cruelty/lack of compassion between you and your mother or a husband and wife, is enough reason to conclude that His love is supreme, again God is nobody's mother or father, God is Your Creator, until you acknowledge that fact, you would sustain one bluderous question after another! and your question is entirely vague, by you asking would God die for some would you mean if a car was about running over you he would jump in front to get run over by the car in other to save you? so contextualise whatever point you are trying to make if not we would end up going divergently on this issue! God attributes remains the logic behind why he would NEVER die for anybody!


Got me thinking:

Woman your son has been sentenced to death for murder, .. ., My son? please let me die for him, and he be let free so that he would change his ways,. . . Judge, I can't allow that, because it would be unjust, . . .woman plsss!!! let me die for him . . . Judge why? . . . Woman because I love my son die!!, I AM Selfless . . . Judge really? . . . Woman, yes? let me take his place! . . .Judge, It goes against common sense and logic for you to die for a murderer who, have started as a petty liar and then graduated to the level of Murderer, despite on numerous forgiving of this boy, common sense and the wisdom of the law means that we will have to put him to death so that the society can be spared his endless wickedness . . . Woman I assure you if I die for him, he would change his ways for the good! . . . Judge, are you sure? what if he kills another person who would die for him then? . . . woman, I am sure he would cease to do so further! . . . Ok, then put her death! . . .the woman was killed . . . and that very day son killed another person apparrently the police man who got him arrested for the crime . . . Judge! what say ye, was you your decision just. . .

Mr. annony, we ask would you say the woman displayed perfect love? or would say she is selfless? or would you say she was being extremely silly and unreasonable? Was the judge fair to put to death an innocent woman for the crimes of her son who has bee forgiven so many times for all sort of crimes?

If your answer is no, then we can say God as no reason to die for any man, who was given the freedom to make decisions for his ownself and decides to squander such decision, but if you mean You expect God to jump in front of truck to save you or anybody, then I say God wisdom would rather save you using his unquantifiable power than jump in front of truck, if you mean . . . so many solutions because Allah is great and has all the solutions for any concievable problem, all powers belong to him, Allah is the lord of the universe and everything that exist!

Epic comment, Vedaxcool! God can not die, if he exists!


However, there is no evidence for God

tbaba1234: The goods will be delivered insha Allah... The plan is to start after Ramadan (See the first post) but i might start earlier....

insha Allah.