Wilddove: so if you are an atheist stop asking believers to prove to you that God exist outside faith, because without faith there is no God, no heaven, nothing like supernatural at all. the way money acts as the legal tender here on earth is the way faith is in the spiritual realm... to be contuined, ask any question and by his Grace you will get your answer
Wrong. Money is an actual physical substance while your god, heaven, etc are idyllic concepts that only exist in the imagination. Even electronic transactions have verifiable physical representations while your god cannot be verified by any consistent method. Don't kid yourself that these the same type of operation, they are not.
Given your definition of spirit I can now more clearly see why you have issue with my position but still you are not simply finding the logical inconsistences with my position. You are judging my position based on what you think is the dual nature of the human. Let's see if I can make clear that the logic in my position is sound.
DeepSight: I think you need to settle down and take a cold dispassionate view of the conundrum presented. It is illogical to say, for example, that a car is exclusively controlled by its steering-wheel and simultaneously insist that you have control over that car if you have no control over its steering wheel. What you are doing is quite circular and it surprises me that you cannot see the inherent circularity. To break it down -
This analogy is plain wrong. When I used the analogy of a car I did say you have control of the car because you have control of the steering wheel. What I said you didn't have control over was the constituent atoms of the car and I went to say that to claim you must have control over the atoms or else you don't have control over the car is plain wrong. This is similar to the control you have over your body. You do not control individual cells but you control the entirety.
- - -> You assert that minds arise from matter - - -> You assert that the interactions and activities of matter are responsible for mind - - -> You then imply that mind has some independent will of its own in what you have written above, because you insinuate that by this will, mind controls its body - - -> notwithstanding that the body is what produces mind in the first place, and that the interactions of the matter of the body are responsible for every thought and action of mind under your worldview
Wrong again. I never said the will was independent.
- - - > This is just circular. It is logically impossible. You cannot derive mind from matter and at the same time seek to infuse mind with some inchoate separate will of its own by which it can control matter. This would be absurd because what you are in fact trying to do here is eat your cake and have it - you are trying to assert that all the thoughts and actions of mind arise from the interactions of matter and at the same time insist that mind controls the matter. This patently self contradictory.
It doesnt help you that you say that you have said that we cannot control our cells. This in fact works directly against you. Because the action of those cells (in your worldview) is what activates the functions of mind.You will have to decide what comes first: the mind willing an action, or the cells and neurons making the mind will an action.
There is actually some scientific research on this matter which suggests that split seconds before we have a thought, take an action or make a decision, neurons have already coalesced in the direction of such a thought, action or decision. Such research naturally aligns with the overall argument you are making - that cells and neurons are responsible for the activity of mind. The only problem here is your refusal to accept the natural consequence of this - namely that there is nothing like free will, that all our thoughts and actions are determined by cells and neurons beforehand - over which we have no control. This is of course not my position since I make a distinction between matter and mind. Nor do I even entirely accept the results of that research - for reasons I will later go into. But you see, from my position, I needn't accept the results of that research. Whereas, not only does the research line up with your argument, but you must also be bound by its implications. You simply cannot eat your cake and have it. There is no way you can insist that you have conscious control of anything if indeed the prior activity of cells and neurons - which you have no control over - determines all the activity of your mind.
This I think is the crux of your misunderstanding, you think I believe in freewill, I don't. I think I have mentioned it at least twice in conversation with you that I am compatibilist. It seems you skip over some of these clarifications. The mind and the body are a single unit, there is no independent will, the will works with and from the body and vice versa. And like I previously clarified your will has control over a limited set of functions of your body. Your will doesn't automatically assign intentionality to your cells because it exists.
Its very simple to indicate why this analogy fails. The constituent molecules of the TV remote are not said to be responsible for your own independent action of pressing down on the remote buttons! They are not your cells and neurons and it is not their activity that is said to be responsible for your actions! - which is what your position is with regard to humans and their cells and neurons.
You miss the point of the analogy. The point was to show that control does not extend to constituent molecules. When you press the remote's button you are only activating a limited portion of it's entire make up. You are not activating the entire of the remote only a specific subsection required to do the task. This is analogous to the mind and body, your will only controls certain functions of your body.
In the case of the human being under the worldview you have described as your position, the constituent parts - the cells and neurons must perforce act prior to your being able to exercise any function of mind. Their action must precede your every thought, word and deed. For this reason it would be circular to say that you control anything outside of this. Indeed the minute you make such a claim you actually cede the debate entirely because you are thereby conceding that mind must precede and control matter.
In short, mind over matter. There is just no way you can logically get around this.
There is no hierarchy going here, instead it is a reciprocal set of interactions. The body influences the mind and the mind influences the body.
Pa Ekienabor, who opined that Mayowa probably killed Mercy for money ritual purposes, added: “All the men of God, women of God, pastors, Bishops, I went to, all assured me Mercy was being kept somewhere, that we should pray, that she would come out, we didn’t know that she had been killed and buried for long.
This quote should make it clear that these men of god are nothing but cheerleaders that use the Bible to give people hope, nothing more. There is no supernatural connection that they have.
NovesaTillie: Please I need only matured minds on this. It's a serious matter.
My elder sister and her husband were married for 5 years and separated November last year but not divorced yet, though the families have been trying to reconcile them to come back together but my sister's husband has been adamant about it.
I noticed that ever since his separation from my sister he started visiting my place and now it has become frequent. I allowed it because I see him as a brother but now I am starting to really enjoy his company. He has been helping me out with stuffs and still maintains his kindness towards my parents.
He proposed marriage to me yesterday and I have been confused. I will be 30 by February 2nd. Should I accept his proposal?
You are the rebound chick. Such relationships don't last because the person is using you to try to console himself, when he has more clarity he will dump you because he realises what he was really doing. Don't fall for it tell him to take a 1 year chill pill if he still feels that way you can talk. Also take PoliteActivist's advice and find out from your sister why the marriage is ending, you will be better informed on what kind of person he is.
PastorAIO: When what they believe to be the source of truth is actually the source of falsehood then they are deceived believing they are following the truth.
1Kings 22: 22 23Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the LORD has declared disaster for you.”
When mendacity is part of the arsenal of your deity then your position is very perilous. My people are playing with such a danger and the shocking thing is that as their lives are getting worse they commit themselves more and more to the peril.
Dtruthspeaker: You are the expert at it. Both you and Budaatum.
You used it very effectively in destroying former church goers like Capslocked and Co (I used to remember their names but I do not need to anymore) ehen, I remember muttleylaff also fell into you but he later recovered and started resisting you.
It was by this technique you used to swallow up many church goers here and one by one I saw them declaring their love and allegiance to you. Whatever you said was "True" in their stupid eyes.
By it, you threatened Jesusjnr,ihedinobi and a few who were trying to resist you
AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF YOU AND YOUR USE OF THIS GREAT WICKEDNESS IN DESTROYING STUPID PEOPLE WHO TAUGHT THEY WERE CHRISTIANS AND KNEW GOD, WHEREAS, THEY WERE YOUR BROTHERS IN EVIL SAVE THEY WERE STILL IN HIBERNATION.
WHICH MADE ME JOIN NAIRALAND AND TAKE UP THE NAME THE TRUTH SPEAKER (D' TRUTHSPEAKER).
WHICH IS WHY I CALL YOU SATAN, PROWLING IN NAIRALAND AND WARN EVERY NEW PERSON WHO DOES NOT KNOW YOU THAT YOU ARE THE SATAN SENT TO NAIRALAND, TO SWALLOW UP THE SOULS OF THE FOOLISH CHILDREN OF MEN.
And of course, you we can not count how many times have I called you a Liar and Satan, using the Truth to Lie and Deceive.
So you know it very very well, without a shadow of doubt or hesitation.
LMFAO! OMFD! Somebody has lost their fùcking marbles. Bwahahahahaha!
petra1: The origjnal.. have you read any? Is the bibible not called hoax? Get personal facts . If read that book you will know it's no hoax
When have I called the Bible a hoax? No credible bible scholar will certify any of the so called books of Jasher so on what authority do you say it is real?
petra1: There is nothing new under the sun. They did it in the days of Noah. According to the book of jasher cloning is not a new thing.
Jasher 4:18 . . . And the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth , the beast of the field and the fowls of the air , and taught the mixture of animals of one species with another . . . and God saw the the earth and it was corrupt , for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth , all men and animals . .
They are getting closer to their aim . They start with something that look nice and helpful. But finally enter into perversion. Everyone should read the book of jasher
knowingChrist: The bible is a book talking about one person and one kind of people. it's start to finish is one message and this message is about one person and those who exist by him. Although this message might be relayed on different facets at different times but a clear understanding of each facet reveals its relevance in the same message.
Although the message is readily available, not everyone recognizes it and this allows the devil to sweep in to utilize a section of the message to deceive many.
Satan deceives many the same way he wanted to deceive Jesus by reading the bible to such a person out of context. The message in the bible is held within context and the whole of the bible contains only one message. If any part of the message is taken out of context, such part can be used to deceive and ultimately destroy a person without knowledge.
For example: the devil tells Jesus to jump off a cliff because God had said he'll give the angels charge over him. While the particular information is the truth, it was completely taken out of context to deceive Jesus. Had Jesus not known the scripture well enough, he would have fallen for the deception.
To fully understand the message the devil used, we must read the preceding verses to the particular verse that was read out of context. This shows a person must first abide in God, and must trust God to deliver them from the devil and his mental traps. This is what makes God give charge to his angels charge over such a person.
But more importantly, the devil's scheme was to test if Jesus is the son of God and this is why Jesus rebuffed him by saying man should not test God.
In the same way, there are many who do not know the message in the bible and the devil (or one of his ministers) can deceive them by reading the bible out of context to them to manipulate them to saying and believing quite unreal things.
Dido90: Messrs. A, B, and C are private secondary school teachers.
The 3 of them receive a salary of N30,000 monthly. The 3 of them are married with 2 kids. Each of them stays in a self-contained apartment with his wife and kids.
Mr. B always asks Mr. A and Mr. C for money. Sometimes claiming to meet up his house rent, to provide for his children or other bills and he's usually assisted with any little thing by Mr. A and Mr. B.
Mr. A and Mr. C don't ask Mr. B for anything even when they have their personal challenges but Mr. B is always asking them for financial help which they always render.
Mr. B got involved in a political contract and he benefitted about some millions of naira from it. He gave Mr. A and Mr. B N3,000 each. He then bought a land and has built a house, roofed it, remaining to plaster and do finishing.
He also bought a car.
Now, he's still begging Mr. and Mr. C money occasionally to help him with part of his house rent, or fix his car or just anything.
What do you think about this please? Should Mr. A and Mr. C continue assisting him?
No they shouldn't. Mr B is a jerk, no need to waste goodwill on such a greedy fellow.
DoWhatThouWilt: The moment covid became part an parcel with our reality, a lot of conspiracy theories began to spread everywhere. Due to boredom and joblessness, I have taken time to do proper investigation of some of these theories and I can confidently tell you all that 35% of them are indeed true.
One of them is the issue of a depopulation agenda, A plan to reduce the worlds population to 500 million. This isn't a conspiracy theory at all. Am sorry to say this but Righteousness88/89 are not crazy when it comes to this issue. it is indeed true and I am 100% in support of it
My reasons are in line with that of the late prince Philip,
Some human beings keep reproducing for no reason like rabbits to the point that the worlds population is reaching plaque proportions. Our careless and selfish activities are ruining and damaging our ecosystem making earth more and more inhospitable to live. I mean just look at how children are being born anyhow like rabbits in a particular part of our country and the effect its causing when it comes to security.
But knowing humans to be who they are, Stubborn, lawless and selfish I know such a policy wont work and I believe the late prince knew that as well hence the reason why he said: "In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, to contribute something to solving overpopulation."
Anyway, the good news is the worlds elites and globalists have long sat down to discuss and arrive at not just one but numerous solutions to this growing problem of overpopulation. I wont list them here in order not to create unnecessary panic and arguments from the doubting Thomas crew, but be rest assured about this;
1. Their plans have already started long before covid began and some of them are not just at work but highly effective. 2. As inhumane and cruel as their plans may appear to be, It is not done out of wickedness, it is for the survival of the human race and most importantly protection of the earth and its resources. 3.Nobody appointed them to be judge jury and executioner, but life is hard and sometimes tough decisions need to be carried out by the strong hearted not weak and emotional people. 4. There cannot be order without chaos, there can never be peace without war. keep these two facts in mind by the time certain plans of theirs begin to manifest.
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Where did you do your research, the Onion or some other satirical news regarding because if you actual had your head in reality you'd realise you just typed up a bunch of rubbish.
Mercychen: I don't really know how to explain this but for some reasons I just think it may not be right.
There's this ex of mine that looks so adorable and I missed him so much after we parted ways.
Now, the thing is, I keep seeing little girls that look so much like him and I just take to liking them. As in.. I try to be friends with them just because of that resemblance they have with him. I begin to see them as the baby girl I would have had for him. They too naturally like me and always want to come around me.
There's one that is so close to me on my street. I buy her stuff. Call her when I'm cooking to stay with me. Sometimes, she'll come of her own accord and say she wants to stay with me. Even when I'm too tired to entertain any visitors, I'll still open the gate for her, leave her to make herself comfortable while I take a nap. And so the bond has sort of begun to form because today I asked myself, what if this girls parents relocate? I was shocked at myself at the way my heart skipped at that thought. So I quickly called myself to order and was like, I'll cope.
Now, is this a healthy or proper thing to do? I don't know o. Please what can this kind of affinity be called?
Only mature and sensible responses.
Modified:
You guys don't seem to get my drift. Only Amontolongbo seems to come close.
Now, This is not about getting company ( like some of you have suggested) or feeling lonely or being unhappy. It's about my exs' face I keep seeing in these children and the fact that I'm now drawn to them because of that.
Anytime you allow a fantasy to become a central part of your life then you have crossed a line into unhealthy behaviour. You need to stop acting on your fantasy or else you will get more effects than you bargain for. There is nothing wrong with indulging in fantasy from time to time, we all do but do not make it a central part of your life, that is going too far.
Kobojunkie: Japanese woman gives up baby, sues sperm donor for $3 million after learning he lied
A woman in Japan has filed a lawsuit against the sperm donor who impregnated her, alleging that he was dishonest about his civil status, educational background and ethnicity.
The unnamed plaintiff, a 30-year-old woman from Tokyo, said she and her husband wanted to have a second child but were concerned after finding out that her husband has a hereditary condition, reported Tokyo Shimbun via Newsweek.
After deciding to use a sperm donor, they found a man in his 20s on social media who claimed to be a single Japanese man who graduated from Kyoto University, one of Japan’s top universities. After having sex with the donor 10 times, the woman finally became pregnant in June 2019.
The woman eventually discovered later on in the pregnancy that the donor is actually a married Chinese man who never attended Kyoto University. After giving birth, the woman and her husband gave up the baby, who is currently being cared for in a child center in Tokyo.
The woman has accused the donor of misleading her with false information to have sex with her. She is now seeking approximately $2.8 million dollars as compensation for emotional distress.
Under Japan’s "right to know" laws, the offspring of sperm donors have a legal right to identify both of their biological parents. With many donors choosing to remain anonymous, finding potential sperm donors in the country has become complicated.
More couples in Japan have been turning to social media to look for sperm donors, and over 10,000 children have reportedly been born with a third party’s involvement.
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