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Lucifyre:
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...Funny enough speaking of 'church fathers', you expect us to rely on a claim to verify a claim, when the claim used to verify the other claim is full of inconsistencies. Even so called church father Papias voiced displeasure over the written accounts of Jesus' life and made claims Matthew was written in hebrew which it most certainly was not. Also made claims Mark and Matthew('the tax collector' - who was also identified to be Levi) were sayings gospels which they obviously were not. As well as giving a contradictory account of Judas' death diff from the 2 contradictory accounts already in the texts. Not factual?!

So much inconsistencies and you want us to ignore the obvious preferring to use inconsistent claims to verify a claim. Inconsistent claims that were adopted decades after the gospels were written, with the church fathers even disagreeing on the order, dating and details of the texts. Laughable. A claim is never used to verify a claim, much less one with inconsistencies, evidence is used and here there is non. Energy would be better expended forming some semblance of objectivity and finding evidence for your inconsistent subjective myth cause it falls like a pack of cards.

SIRTee15:
Joker.

Your whole ranting is based on subjective and non factual evidence
No bible scholar can produce any FACTUAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT HIS CLAIM OF ANONYMITY OF THE GOSPEL AUTHORSHIP OR DATING OF THE GOSPEL.

I REPEAT.

THERE IS NO FACTUAL OR OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT WHATEVER ANALYSIS THESE BIBLE SCHOLARS HAVE TO BACK THEIR CLAIM. NONE.

Man😄 see how this dude is convulsing over my mentions. The sweet schadenfreude when you guys begin to foam at the mouth due to that precious hit of cognitive dissonance once your beliefs are examined, cause deep down you know it's evidently baseless. Already told you trying to convince you is a fool's errand I have no intention of running, neither do I intend to validate your typical concocted & regurgitated apologetic what-if scenarios. 

But i'd oblige the bolded just to have a laugh. Btw Is the bolded some form of satire or something or are u simply just as clueless and ignorant as much as you foam at the mouth. No factual evidence?! An unfunny joke😄 Which of the gospels explicitly names the author(s) within the texts or even any variant of the dissimilar manuscripts without originals? That's not factual?! Maybe you could show it to us in any of the gospels where we all missed the names within the texts identifying the authors.

Maybe while at it you also tell us how - without concocting magical maybe scenarios - poor illiterate peasants who spoke Aramaic in a time period where the literacy rate was less than 2% somehow managed to write in sophisticated greek and chose not to write in Aramaic or Hebrew? That's not factual?! Even 'church father' Justin Matyr called them illiterate like the texts themselves called em in Acts 4:13. Were the texts written in a 1st person or 3rd person view lol?! "We know his testimony is true". Not factual?! lol!...

Kobojunkie:
This one is still not paying attention as his ego seems to have been clobbered into some emergency need to throw fists before engaging his brain. 🙄🙄🙄

Facts are not manufactured through the writing of long essays, theses, epistles, or gibberish filled with nothing but speculations. 😩😩😩

Yes yes i agree they're instead manufactured by ranting baseless nonsense rabidly online like a bipolar patient off their meds or should i say a junkie without it's fix. 🤡

Kobojunkie:
Oh boy! To those unaware, consensus does not turn speculation into fact, just so you know. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

To this day, the actual time of the writing of the Gospels is said to be unknown, and the name(s) of the authors of the writings also remain unknown.

Get busy writing instead of making empty noise😌

SIRTee15:
Objective analysis based on some empirical evidence and academic historical criteria cannot negate or be superior to statements of early church Fathers who lived very much in the 1st and ealry 2nd century. Apostolic ad early church Fathers told us who wrote the gospels and when it was written.

Telling me to accept opinions of some academicians whose Thestatements fluctuates based on new extant manuscripts or some newly

😅 The narrow minded view portrayed by the bolded immediately spelt out this is an epistle of dross sprinkled with typical indoctrinated nonsense that i have no interest in reading through. Just the typical frothing at the mouth by the delusional once their baseless beliefs are held under a microscope. I couldn't care less about you accepting whatever 'opinion', as that's a fool's errand i have no intention of running.

Luckily facts are facts and objective despite subjective opinions or beliefs. Your accepting or not accepting them is of no value. Just like there are simpletons who say the earth is flat, it doesn't change the fact it's spherical despite their baseless opinion and beliefs. The irony here being that even those who believe in non-eyewitness testimony over empirical evidence can't even agree and come to a single objective conclusion.

They can neither agree on the actual collection of the contradictory baseless pseudepigraphic texts, neither can they come to a conclusion on the interpretation of said texts as no 2 christains agree on interpretation of the texts from cover to cover. Instead, split up in 45,000 ways of differing opinions, raising noses at each other and even outrightly killing each other with a god whose not an author of confusion at the centre of the circus and clown show.

And somehow this subjective baseless undemonstrable and inconsistent clownshow with zero evidence of the mythological claims, has weight over factual objective empirical evidence. An unfunny joke if I've ever heard one. Maybe instead of frothing at the mouth as if rabid, you guys put that energy into getting the circus of clowns together to form an objective stance with an objective canon and noncontradictory texts with eyewitness testimony at least.

Maybe just maybe when the circus gets its act together, then unverifiable contradictory non-eyewitness testimonies would outweigh objective empirical evidence. Have a nice life ✌🏾

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ he go pain you tire, you thought no religionist could beat the intelligence of atheists but you're wrong that's why you now support false religionists against the true religion but it's OK all of you are on the same page!

You intelligent?! 🤣 🤡

MaxInDHouse:
Whom God has blessed no man can curse!

Typical man child. So much growing up to do, so little time.

Kobojunkie:
But you do consensus based on unverified claims? Abeg waka pass me! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Shut you up with facts didn't I?! 😄

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! These ideas that the Gospels( including the books of the New Testament and Revelations) were written sometime after 70 AD were fed to you by the Romans, who hijacked the movement that was created by Jesus Christ of Israel and continued up until the eventual destruction of Jerusalem and then the nation of Judah before the end of the first century AD. We are talking here of many of the same non-Israelites who then went on to establish a religion around their claims to gain political and material power over the lives of their followers.

Unfortunately i don't do unverifiable conspiracy theories, it's above my expertise. I only deal on what's objectively factual regardless of opinion or belief. And the academic consensus through years of solid textual critical analysis, historical critical methods and archaeology leads to an objective consensus of the dates that state he is right, 80CE for Matthew with Luke and John much l8r.

A consensus likely older than you, unanimously present in all study bibles, papers and journals of which the excerpt I shared is taken from one(Oxford Annotated Bible With Apocrypha), with top and virtually all institutions like Havard and Stanford still teaching it with their top academics like Dale Martin and Christain Hayes or even othes like Bart, Mcclellan and Allison. There's a reason for a consenus and its cause it's factually right regardless of belief or conspiracy theory based on the available data and evidence.

Might want to get busy writing your paper and journal, getting it published to prove they were all written before 70 CE cause merely saying it doesn't make it factual. The only books of the new testament earlier than 70CE are Paul's letters of which he wrote just 8 of the 13.

MaxInDHouse:
You need a life so go get it and stop being a sadist in Jesus name: Amen!

If "to get a life" is the life you have at this ur age i don't want it. 😌 Looking foolish at an advanced age instead of commanding respect is not a life even though it might seem so for a pedophile. Get sense in jesus name. Amen 😁

achorladey:
MaxInDHouse is the madness and insanities peddling brains for a reason after all

How well will one describe hypocrite, a person that cannot call his own son a thief when caught red handed but readily accuse and prosecute other children equally caught carrying out the same act as thieves.

Big hypocrite. See how he immediately changed the topic when faced with facts he couldn't use his dumb brain to counter.

MaxInDHouse:
Your own case has been settled because to a layman you are neither here nor there yet you buried your head in shame after seeing how your pride drowned in a thread having to do with JWs unlike other threads where you ridicules faith in God and Christ this one is a pill too hard for you to swallow.
Ọmọ get a life it doesn't pay been a sadist on faceless social media!

What is this deluded pedophile saying. E change topic once. 😄 Abeg try proofread your nonsense before posting. I know you've been outed as a pedo, so you're shaking, but still, proofread your dross abeg, last i checked you can supposedly read n write at an 8yr olds level.

Kobojunkie:
Quick correction to your claims here. History has it that Jesus Christ of Israel died approximately 30- 33 AD, and the nation of Judah, including the city of Jerusalem itself were ravaged beginning in approximately 70 AD after which all Jews who survived were exiled from the land — the Roman's kicked them out— meaning Matthew's — himself a Jew—account of the records came from a period before 70AD, less than 40 years after the death of Jesus Christ of Israel.

You're wrong he's right. Dating Matthew to 70 CE would make it the earliest gospel which it's not. Mark is the gospel dated to 70 CE. Matthew is dated to about 50years after Jesus' death to 80CE.

achorladey:


What is my problem with inside or outside? Will it change the fact that members of Jehovah's Witness are child abusers? No.

This your question is an example how your lies and manipulations filled madness and insanities peddling brains works.

It started from one man perpetrating violence to is the violence done inside or outside.

To expose you more, your agenda is always people carrying weapons to kill fellow Christians. E.g Catholic carrying weapons to kill fellow Catholic now you want to know whether the violence in your midst is done outside.

You just want to look different at all cost and by all means. This question of yours is evidence that you are not different from others you bad mouth here and there

The guy is a confirmed pedophile. Imagine the m0ronic semantics. Inside outside. Its no longer the incidents didn't occur.

MaxInDHouse:
Only atheists trash reasonableness when they supposed to make use of it.

Can your own son be publicly accused or prosecuted for stealing your own money?

Is this "reasonableness" in the room with us now cause i see none. All i see is a morally bankrupt dimwitted peadophile apologist bending over backwards to defend the harmful atrocities of the cult he belongs to. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out you're a confirmed sexual deviant.

Any sensible person with morals knows a thief is a thief be it another or your son, even if your child steals ur own money, you do the right thing and prosecute them. But to you and your cult of sexual deviants who claim to be beacons of morality, this seems to be news. A man on my street prosecuted his own son for colluding with his clique to steal money from his account running into millions, isn't that a human being with common sense?!

Let's leave anectodal evidence so it's not hear say, the lady below did same thing. You are a morally bankrupt individual who should be checked properly, you've donated all your last working braincells to your cult, that's why you can't think properly instead spouting obvious dross. Get sense abeg, its for your own good.

https://dailyridge.com/2024/11/10/polk-mom-calls-deputies-after-son-continuously-used-here-credit-card-without-permission/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

MaxInDHouse:
So if Ṣeyi steals Bola's money the young man should be charged to court shey?

Perhaps you have forgotten that both of them are Tinubu and whatever the father has automatically belongs to his son.

Well you're an atheist so i can't expect anything better from you!

I must be an atheist by fire by force. 😹 You and daft analogies are like drops of water. Inseparable

achorladey:
The granddaughter or grandson of MaxInDHouse will steal 1000 naira from his wallet at home[b]as long as he or she has not done it to others outside of his home[/b], the grand daughter or grandson is not a thief

🤣🤣🤣 Max the logic follows abi

MaxInDHouse:
So this is all a sadist of your kind has in mind!

🤡

Maximus692:
Facts but you have never seen such in real life, shey?

Didn't know there was fake life. No surprise then why u'r optimally deluded.

Maximus692:
Be honest with yourself at least for once even though you're a sadist.
How does it make sense to you if all the accusations you're leveling against one group has never been found outside the group?
The activities of religious terrorists has affected people in other religions so we can all say it confidently that they are guilty of terrorism but when you are here accusing a religious group of something that has never affected you or anyone you know in person or people of other religions ọmọ that's shows how dishonest you are!

🤣 cap from now till eternity, nothing changes fact.

Maximus692:
You don't have anything tangible to say it's obvious you're just a bitter soul that's seeking ways to terrorise happy people.
Go to get a life!

What else do you want me to say, you've already bleeped up and contradicted urself making it clear it's nonsense. Btw are the happy people amongst the rapists amd molesters?! 😅 Of course they'd be happy when they have an Epstein like cult to sheild em so they can freely abuse. There's a reason countries are beginning to place bans on your cult.

achorladey:
The bold to him don't count. It is those that carry weapons and fight in wars that are not peaceful. That's why he will never respond when asked those Jehovah's Witnesses that don't go to war but beat their wives up till death are they peaceful?

Very dishonest person.

Maximus692:
No matter what you think, say or do it's up to you just present the worshipers of your own god your insults and abusive speeches doesn't change the fact that you don't believe in any god.

How many sexual abuse, pedophilia, molestation, assault cases have you found among Jehovah's Witnesses in your neighborhood?

Talked so much nonsense they banned your account? 🤣

MaxInDHouse:
You can't prove anything if it's the hater that will tell you the methodology he or she wants. GOD is the SUPREME BEING there is no methodology to prove that someone SUPREME is present when there is no peace so God told us that it's the peaceful cohabitation of His people that will serve as evidence of His presence in their midst.

🤣 In other words you're talking undemonstrable subjective nonsense that can't be truth, do you know what objective means?! It's like you reason half a step forward and five steps back, so even when you end up contradicting urself, your few working braincells can't process it. Kind of interesting to watch. Besides since when did peace become synonymous with sexual abuse, pedophilia, molestation, assault and shunning?

And since when do people who peacefully coexist shield abusers and silence the abused. If anything that's a cult full of piss, stinking concentrated old piss. I should instead be asking when you guys are going to Guyana to drink the cool aid, there might be actually be peace then.

MaxInDHouse:
Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen. Hebrews 11:1

YES! True faith must be demonstratable but it's like you've sealed your heart against it so there's no way you can understand if you won't listen to know how true faith works.

Can't you sense that something strange is happening?
All these people don't have any group they can present yet they belong to different religions claiming Christians. You on the other hand ridicule the God they all claimed they worship yet they are quick to support whatever you say against a group that takes the same God they claim to believe more seriously than any religion.

Well the truth is that only JWs have what you want: Truth that's demonstratable!

Remember only a demonstratable truth could be assessed:



All others belong to what we all know as DELUSION or CREDULITY.

What is this truth that is objective and demonstratable and the methodology to arrive at this? Please don't start with pissful cohabiting nonsense. Cause that's subjective nonsense.

MaxInDHouse:
These people aren't worshipers of Yahweh but since you're not interested in knowing the truth it's OK!

Truth is not subjective, truth is demonstratable. So whatever you parade around as truth is nothing more than absolute delusion.

This clown show still goes on?!😄 I believe Yhwh who is not an author of confusion would calm the circus.

Belief got nothing to do with it, belief got nothing to do with facts. The fact you choose to believe or disbelieve a fact, doesn't change it from being a fact. If you believe or don't believe gravity, it doesn't change the fact that when you jump from a building you fall down. And the fact here is no body knows, and those who claim to know can't demonstrate or provide evidence for it, neither are they unanimous in their claims, basically no objectivity when facts are objective. Ask em to validate their claims and watch em go silent like clowns. So the fact is no one knows. Thanks for coming to my ted talk. 😌

achorladey:
Max has used his own words to hang himself right? That's one of his mode of operation

I swear😄

MaxInDHouse:
You came to my thread nah:



But now i've helped you to see that they are all like you angrily attacking whoever says anything about God that doesn't go down with their thinking.

So whether you like it or not it's my thread i didn't invite you you joined after finding it difficult to delete me in your brain, you can do that now if you can!

🥱 Another boring epistle.

MaxInDHouse:
That time will come when you'll face your children to defend what you believe then you will surely remember me.

I don't have space in my head for dimwitted fvcks sorry.