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SIRTeee15:
Run away indeed.

Answer my question...stop running away

When did Isaiah 53 changed stopped becoming messianic chapter.

When did Rabbinical Jews changed Isaiah 53 from about The Messiah to about Israel.

I will bring the evidence again.

The truth is very hard to deny, no wonder the silence.

You mean this 😄

https://www.nairaland.com/8470018/did-jesus-die-sins-africans#136076796

or this 😄

https://www.nairaland.com/8402051/easter-contradictions-gospel-narratives#135127858

🤡

Steep:
You are the one burying your head in the sand: if you even had one. Instead of answering sir tee, you are deflecting.
Simple question before the letters of paul was there anything called gospel?
Simple yes or No would suffice.

Why should he answer him, the same Sirtee that's an expert at running away once his baseless assertions are shown to be baseless. 😄😄😄

[quote author=SIRTee15 post=136068307][/quote]Typical circular reasoning, unverifiable belief, and selective readings which, ironically, all back up my point. Quoting Isaiah 59:2 and then using that to define sin as “separation from God” is laughable. What kind of tautology is that? It’s like saying: “Mosquitoes cause malaria, therefore malaria is a mosquito.” lol! Not that I care anyway, you can define it however you want. It still doesn't change the fact of what I said about what it is, which is why it's applied nowhere else except in religious contexts, thankfully.

Then next, you drop a chart from an unverified, anonymous source (likely lifted from an apologetics site) and call it “evidence,” even though it shows what I’ve said from the start: basically a non-unified, inconsistent, and evolving interpretive tradition — the typical and massive retcon. Even the idea that "no Jew interpreted Isaiah 53 as Israel until 1000 AD" is a popular fat Christian lie that is verifiably false as scholars like John Collins, Mark Smith, Adele Berlin, James Kugel and Fishbane amongst many other scholars - some of which are even xtain - document.

Your source which expectedly shall not be named, shows rabbis as much as xtains disagreeing about whether the servant is Israel, a prophet, the messiah, or someone else entirely, with the dominant view being Israel. So how does that confirm divine clarity? Again tour very own source shows absolutely none of them — zero, zilch, nada — expecting the messiah to be crucified, resurrected, dieing for sins or that it's Jesus. Didn’t your own scriptures say “God is not the author of confusion”? Because what you're citing is pure biblical confusion.

So your weak attempt at a bait-and-switch is a task failed successfully. Even your chart never names Jesus, just like Isaiah 53 doesn’t. But “servant” is clearly and repeatedly named as Israel in Isaiah Ch 41–49: “But you, Israel, my servant.” So for Isaiah 53 to suddenly shift to a Jesus who is named nowhere, not even in the Hebrew Bible as a whole, is the exact type of massive retcon of selectively applying and discarding the text in a subjective manner to renegotiate and reinterpret it only xtainity and its numerous denoms are capable of.

No surprise then that you guys can’t even agree on what you call “truth” or “evidence,” which is quite laughable for something supposedly divinely revealed. Truth must be objective, verifiable, observable, demonstrable, and falsifiable. Truth is truth regardless of belief or acceptance. None of these apply to your joke called “truth,” which is why it’s not widely accepted the world over as the truth and luckily never will be.

There’s only one standard of truth accepted regardless of race, location, belief, acceptance, culture, etc. Christianity will factually never be it, except all xtains can objectively agree which would obviously never happen. So instead of performing mystical dodges, why not show us:

Where Jesus is mentioned by name as the messiah anywhere,

Or Jesus’ children, according to Isaiah 53:10,

Or where he repents of sin,

Or where he dies multiple times?

Or is he scared of dying multiple times to fulfill his other failed prophecy about his return? 😂

Surely, you'd be able to point out these things easily from Isaiah 53 if it’s not the typical Christian selective renegotiating retcon. Typical circus act, Tick tock.

SIRTee15:
Sin is simply separation of man from God. All your shalaye is unnecessary. Whatever u do that makes u separate from God is a sin.

Uhmm ok?! 😒 That changes literally nothing I said, this is besides the fact, your bible literally states that nowhere. Basically a new age invented interpretation to combat the ludicrousness and absurdity of the fictional hell. Guess the god who seemingly doesn't change, gave this new pov recently.

SIRTee15:
Isaiah 53 SAYS YOU ARE WRONG.

Go and read about Messiah Ben Joseph called suffering Messiah.

Yeah... No. This is one of xtainity's biggest retcons by renegotiating and reinterpreting the text to fit a narrative thousands of years l8r by non-contemporary sources. Isaiah 53 clearly refers to Isreal as the servant, like all the preceding chapters before it in context. The funny thing is even in the whole book of Isaiah, the only time the hebrew word for messaiah is mentioned, it's referring to the persian king Cyprus. Not only does the servant in Isaiah 53 not die for anyone's sin(he repents of sin), he also dies multiple times and has physical children. Didn't know Jesus had physical children.

Nnamdipapa:
The concept of sin is to make people feel constantly guilty and easy to control and manipulate therefore creating a need for the product being sold by religion, God!

Apt, though I'd say it didn't start that way. Ignorance breeds fear and fear breeds superstition which some realized they could weaponize for control.

It's a Common Kestrel which belongs to the Falcon species or family

The concept of sin is nonsense in the first place seeing as morality isn't objective and is highly influenced by socio - cultural factors. Sin is just the typical subjective and religious concept/construct people pretend is some objective thing everyone has to adhere to. No one died for any sins, an apocalyptic prophet was killed like a common criminal, something his followers were not expecting as this didn't resonate with the messiah they looked forward to. So they carried out one of the biggest retcons in history by negotaing and reinterpreting the actual events to somewhat fit the narrative they were expecting.

Goosethetruth:
I am not a Christian. Stop assuming things. Explain how you came to this conclusion and retrace your steps to read and understand my posts.
This is the issue I have with that Kobojunkie lady,always jumping in and assuming things. Never doing any research!

Ok I'm wrong then, my bad. I totally forgot the context - which was the parables in the gospel. I presumed you meant the whole gospels and new testament as a whole were allegory, so I was wondering why someone who has knowledge of the facts(your ref to the actual pauline texts) would say the gospels are allegory ergo my conclusion.

Goosethetruth:
Good day.
If you really want to understand the Bible I suggest you read backwards.
Start from the seven confirmed Pauline letters of :
1. Galatians
2. Romans
3.1st Corinthians
4. 2nd Corinthians
5. Philemon.
6. Philippians.
7. 1st Thessalonians

Then

Mark.
Mathew.
Luke.
John.


Most of these stories are allegory.
Once you accept this everything else falls into place.

Nah they're not allegory, seeing as your first statement reflects the facts especially through critical textual lens, I'm surprised you're saying they're allegory.

P.S : While typing I think I found the answer to your view of allegory, correct me if I'm wrong. You're obviously a xtain who for some reason also accepts the facts from scholarship through textual critical analysis but you also need to make sense of your xtain beliefs ergo allegory.

favour32:
Welcome ourtruth247!

One of the best in nairaland.



Strictly not for the below average I.Q.

Didn't know been a conspiracy nutjob spouting unverifiable dross correlates to above average IQ. There's an irony here and a big display of Dunning Kruger.

All these baby reverse psychology won't work, we would sleep with your wives as much as we want nothing will happen. Afterall they're the ones running after us.

How do you ‘destroy’ what was never demonstrated, substantiated or factually established in the first place? It's all baseless-undemonstrable-empty claims spouted out by indoctrinated-docile-subservients due to stockholm's and strong dissonace.

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell you don't have any idea about when Yahweh was born neither when earth was formed shey?

Thanks for your time!

Oh the earth is not born again(pun intended). Now it's formed? 🤣

MaxInDHouse:
Yes of course!
Please where you there when the earth was born?
If not how did you know all of these?
The age of Yahweh and that of the earth, please i will like to know too not just what someone else told you in a book but for certainty.
Thanks!

Can you imagine, earth born?! When they say take educational seriously, it sounds like a joke. Who is earth's mother?! How long was she pregnant with earth? Is it Mars or Theia?. I would like to know, not the one in a book written by iron age peasants but for certainty. 😁

MaxInDHouse:
This is your post:


Please how do you think know the date of Yahweh's birth?

Damn this is what happens when religion puts one's brain in a box. You can't think outside said box. I also said the earth is 4.5billion yrs old, do you want to know when it was born too? 😄

MaxInDHouse:
Walahi talahi i never knew until you told me but may i confirm the truth by asking you how to ascertain the day YHWH was born?

Who said Yhwh was born, I didn't know he was born, who's his mother??

MaxInDHouse:
Lie!

Well that means you always speak truth since you know the difference between truth and lies shey?

Lol! so you even know you lie 🤣
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MaxInDHouse:
Anyhow you wish to twist my comments at least you know that millions put faith in God's word and nothing can stop them from worshiping their God!

At least only you used your hand to type and assert it, not me😅. Maybe holy/unholy spirit confused you cause you lie too much or maybe it's even Yhwh's wife.😄

MaxInDHouse:
You're living in your own world!

Millions of my own brothers and sisters CARES if you don't have anyone to care about you i do have millions!

Wow i didn't know honestly, at least until you educated me now. Didn't know millions of your own brothers and sisters care about stopping faithful people from living up to their faith. You learn everyday. Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
Funny enough you can continue whatever pleases you at least you can't stop faithful people from living up to their faith!

No one cares man, no one cares. There are better things to do than shadow boxing, don't you think so bro max 😁

MaxInDHouse:
So you just made an assertion that's not founded [

😅 Im trying to be a good christain nau, isn't that what it's all about, making baseless undemonstrable assertions and taking it all on "faith". I'm quite sure I'm doing it right, so ask Yhwh for the " day he was born", he'll reveal it in the spirit. Peace be unto you. 😄

MaxInDHouse:
I thought you know the way you typed as if you were there!

Didn't know the only way to know is to be present. Certainly explains all the confusion in xtianity and the bible as non of you even the writers were there. lol!

MaxInDHouse:
Please can you help me with information on the date YHWH was born?

You mean the god you've been worshipping all this while didn't tell you his birthday? Ain't nice nau.

There is no heaven or hell, that's just undemonstratable superstitious nonsense. How could Yhwh who's barely 3500 years old have created a universe 13.8 billion years old. Only in mythology.

Lucifer is the Grinch to Christainity's Santa Claus.

CJStarz:
Oyibo people na alarmists by nature. Imagination wan Kee dem

And unfortunately not enough imagination here which is why blacks are several decades behind.