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Truthseeker10:
😂😂sperm and luca the same now? Give me a step by step of how luca evolved to a human sperm.

It's the same step that led to you having a family circle instead of a family tree. 😁

Truthseeker10:
😂😂sperm and luca the same now? Give me a step by step of how luca evolved to a human sperm.

Too much inbreeding has destroyed ur braincells ergo the point would fly past where briancells ought to be.

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂funny man. You've not been able to tell me how luca evolved into a human. But you have a problem accepting that a pair of humans produced different races of humans. 😂😂 wahala dey oo. Oga you need rest.

Can a single sperm cell evolve into a human?! Brain's just for decoration 😄

Everyday247:
The problem is that you don't understand how biology works.
You're the one who said that LUCA is the same as Adam and Eve. 👇

A single bacteria can multiply to millions via binary fission. Meanwhile a single man and woman trying to populate would give rise to genetic defects from inbreeding.

Or are you saying that it's possible for a man and a woman to give birth to a son and a daughter. Then this two siblings then have intercourse, producing grand sons and granddaughters and then the incestuous cycle is repeated until the population reaches 1000? 🤣

I always find it hilarious how these guys are confident and proud to happily state they're inbred. 😅

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂na wa oo.....since you don't know the origin of life, are you saying that you don't also know how all species evolved?

What does origin of life have to do with evolution? Try use ur braincells abeg 😒

SIRTee15:
If I ask U to produce evidence for your bogus claim now, wahala go start.
U will begin to write long essay devoid of any evidence.
Na the issue I'm facing with one of U here called Lucyfre.

😅 Says the person defending a claim with a claim and no evidence. Park abeg.

MaxIntheHouse2:
Keep searching and you will find! Matthew 7:7-8

The usual empty claims 😁

MaxInDHouse:
The gospel writers actually wrote all the books three decades after Jesus.
Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
Three of them actually knew Jesus one on one Matthew, Mark and John but Luke wrote what he heard from others and he wrote the Bible book of Act.

Where is the proof any of them wrote anything 😁

olaolaking:
Your point is that the 2 different reports are correct. I should accept that Judas hanged himself and also agree that he fell and bursted? Be a critical thinker!

Of course they want to you to swallow the inconsistencies hook line and sinker and not question it. If it's fiilled with so much inconsistencies why should we believe anything it says.

Antichristian2:
Was it same Judas that threw the 💰 on the ground and went to hang himself picked the money again to buy the land?

🤣 Funny thing is even Papias also has about 2 differing accounts of same Judas.

Everyday247:
It seems like you don't understand how dogma works.
A dogma kept vague and mysterious, will seem incomprehensible and unmeasurable to a human mind and therefore be made divine.

Where as, if a dogma attempts to explain it's ideology in details, it will make it comprehensible and measurable and easy to verify using conventional means.

E.g if you asked most Abrahamics the age of the earth most wouldn't know. Whereas, those who give a date, wether young earth or old earth, will have to explain how dey arrived at the answer, and this can be measured and scrutinized.

The same also goes for the OP's question. Many have simply never asked this question leading to mass dogma amount faithfuls.

And it seems you don't understand how dissonance works why do you think apologetics exists in the first place. I'd suggest you read up on cognitive dissonace especially from a religious perspective. This thread should give you a fine sample, it just breeds more semantics and mental gymnastics. That's my pov though, no point dancing around facts.

Everyday247:
personally, I don't think it reinforces dogmas cuz giving them a theory allows them to scrutinize the theory and determine if what they believe makes sense or not.

You underestimate people's motivation to eliminate dissonance due to its discomfort simply to restore cognitive balance.

Everyday247:
That's short sided.
Explanations like these helps people think.
Dogma results when you accept or dismiss a hypothesis without proper scrutiny.

I disagree but you're not wholly wrong. Asking questions like he's doing is what helps people think. Convoluted explanations serves no purpose than reinforcing the cognitive dissonance that leads to outright acceptance of said impractical dogmas.

Uchesis:
Its quite funny to think that Donald Trump is my biological brother because we are both descendants of Adam and Eve.

Logic.

As i grew older, i started asking myself logical questions.

The Bible said God created only Adam and Eve. After that, he created no other human being , except the ones that the couple created.

Logically, this cannot be true.

How many races do we have in the world today? Over 6 billion humans on earth, and we are all from Adam and Eve? Are you kidding me?

When Cain was driven into the wilderness for killing his brother Abel, God put a mark on him that anyone who sees him will not kill him. And that 7 lives will be taken for anyone who does.

Now the question is: who will kill Cain that won't know him as his brother (since all humans then came from Adam and Eve)? Secondly, are there more than 7 people on the earth then?

This is just me scratching the surface.

Whats your take on this?
Are we all truly and originally from Adam and Eve?

Notice how your statement is 'so so so said', not that it's verified or verifiable. Anyways you'd have to demonstrate an Adam and Eve actually existed in the first place. If not it's no different from Adapa, Pandora, Enkidu, Manu, Ask or Embla. Just more popular. The very fact that if we were inbred there wouldn't be enough genetic variety to avoid massive birth defects and extinction is enough to put it down as a myth like the others i mentioned.

Everyday247:
One theory that I heard from a very religious dude is that there's an incest switch under God's desk. And he can use it to make incest safe or unsafe. So after he sent Adam and Eve out the garden, he flipped off the switch thereby making incest safe for the time being, allowing Adam and Eve and their generations to practice incest without inbreeding consequences. When the population grew substantial God then turned on the the switch and made incest unsafe once more.

Another theory I heard was that God created other humans after sending Adam and Eve out of the garden. But then if this is so, the concept of "All are born sinners" no longer applies because some people weren't descended from Adam and Eve therefore do not have the curse of original sin, which means that they don't need anybody to die for them.

Or or... instead of coming up with convoluted ways to resolve what is evidently not possible and contradictory to what we've observed about how the world works and actual evidence, following Occam's razor we call it out for what it is. A myth, nothing more, no need for mental gymnastics to resolve convoluted impracticalities.

Lucifyre:
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...Funny enough speaking of 'church fathers', you expect us to rely on a claim to verify a claim, when the claim used to verify the other claim is full of inconsistencies. Even so called church father Papias voiced displeasure over the written accounts of Jesus' life and made claims Matthew was written in hebrew which it most certainly was not. Also made claims Mark and Matthew('the tax collector' - who was also identified to be Levi) were sayings gospels which they obviously were not. As well as giving a contradictory account of Judas' death diff from the 2 contradictory accounts already in the texts. Not factual?!

So much inconsistencies and you want us to ignore the obvious preferring to use inconsistent claims to verify a claim. Inconsistent claims that were adopted decades after the gospels were written, with the church fathers even disagreeing on the order, dating and details of the texts. Laughable. A claim is never used to verify a claim, much less one with inconsistencies, evidence is used and here there is non. Energy would be better expended forming some semblance of objectivity and finding evidence for your inconsistent subjective myth cause it falls like a pack of cards.

SIRTee15:
Joker.

Your whole ranting is based on subjective and non factual evidence
No bible scholar can produce any FACTUAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT HIS CLAIM OF ANONYMITY OF THE GOSPEL AUTHORSHIP OR DATING OF THE GOSPEL.

I REPEAT.

THERE IS NO FACTUAL OR OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT WHATEVER ANALYSIS THESE BIBLE SCHOLARS HAVE TO BACK THEIR CLAIM. NONE.

Man😄 see how this dude is convulsing over my mentions. The sweet schadenfreude when you guys begin to foam at the mouth due to that precious hit of cognitive dissonance once your beliefs are examined, cause deep down you know it's evidently baseless. Already told you trying to convince you is a fool's errand I have no intention of running, neither do I intend to validate your typical concocted & regurgitated apologetic what-if scenarios. 

But i'd oblige the bolded just to have a laugh. Btw Is the bolded some form of satire or something or are u simply just as clueless and ignorant as much as you foam at the mouth. No factual evidence?! An unfunny joke😄 Which of the gospels explicitly names the author(s) within the texts or even any variant of the dissimilar manuscripts without originals? That's not factual?! Maybe you could show it to us in any of the gospels where we all missed the names within the texts identifying the authors.

Maybe while at it you also tell us how - without concocting magical maybe scenarios - poor illiterate peasants who spoke Aramaic in a time period where the literacy rate was less than 2% somehow managed to write in sophisticated greek and chose not to write in Aramaic or Hebrew? That's not factual?! Even 'church father' Justin Matyr called them illiterate like the texts themselves called em in Acts 4:13. Were the texts written in a 1st person or 3rd person view lol?! "We know his testimony is true". Not factual?! lol!...

Kobojunkie:
This one is still not paying attention as his ego seems to have been clobbered into some emergency need to throw fists before engaging his brain. 🙄🙄🙄

Facts are not manufactured through the writing of long essays, theses, epistles, or gibberish filled with nothing but speculations. 😩😩😩

Yes yes i agree they're instead manufactured by ranting baseless nonsense rabidly online like a bipolar patient off their meds or should i say a junkie without it's fix. 🤡

Kobojunkie:
Oh boy! To those unaware, consensus does not turn speculation into fact, just so you know. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

To this day, the actual time of the writing of the Gospels is said to be unknown, and the name(s) of the authors of the writings also remain unknown.

Get busy writing instead of making empty noise😌

SIRTee15:
Objective analysis based on some empirical evidence and academic historical criteria cannot negate or be superior to statements of early church Fathers who lived very much in the 1st and ealry 2nd century. Apostolic ad early church Fathers told us who wrote the gospels and when it was written.

Telling me to accept opinions of some academicians whose Thestatements fluctuates based on new extant manuscripts or some newly

😅 The narrow minded view portrayed by the bolded immediately spelt out this is an epistle of dross sprinkled with typical indoctrinated nonsense that i have no interest in reading through. Just the typical frothing at the mouth by the delusional once their baseless beliefs are held under a microscope. I couldn't care less about you accepting whatever 'opinion', as that's a fool's errand i have no intention of running.

Luckily facts are facts and objective despite subjective opinions or beliefs. Your accepting or not accepting them is of no value. Just like there are simpletons who say the earth is flat, it doesn't change the fact it's spherical despite their baseless opinion and beliefs. The irony here being that even those who believe in non-eyewitness testimony over empirical evidence can't even agree and come to a single objective conclusion.

They can neither agree on the actual collection of the contradictory baseless pseudepigraphic texts, neither can they come to a conclusion on the interpretation of said texts as no 2 christains agree on interpretation of the texts from cover to cover. Instead, split up in 45,000 ways of differing opinions, raising noses at each other and even outrightly killing each other with a god whose not an author of confusion at the centre of the circus and clown show.

And somehow this subjective baseless undemonstrable and inconsistent clownshow with zero evidence of the mythological claims, has weight over factual objective empirical evidence. An unfunny joke if I've ever heard one. Maybe instead of frothing at the mouth as if rabid, you guys put that energy into getting the circus of clowns together to form an objective stance with an objective canon and noncontradictory texts with eyewitness testimony at least.

Maybe just maybe when the circus gets its act together, then unverifiable contradictory non-eyewitness testimonies would outweigh objective empirical evidence. Have a nice life ✌🏾

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ he go pain you tire, you thought no religionist could beat the intelligence of atheists but you're wrong that's why you now support false religionists against the true religion but it's OK all of you are on the same page!

You intelligent?! 🤣 🤡

MaxInDHouse:
Whom God has blessed no man can curse!

Typical man child. So much growing up to do, so little time.

Kobojunkie:
But you do consensus based on unverified claims? Abeg waka pass me! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Shut you up with facts didn't I?! 😄

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! These ideas that the Gospels( including the books of the New Testament and Revelations) were written sometime after 70 AD were fed to you by the Romans, who hijacked the movement that was created by Jesus Christ of Israel and continued up until the eventual destruction of Jerusalem and then the nation of Judah before the end of the first century AD. We are talking here of many of the same non-Israelites who then went on to establish a religion around their claims to gain political and material power over the lives of their followers.

Unfortunately i don't do unverifiable conspiracy theories, it's above my expertise. I only deal on what's objectively factual regardless of opinion or belief. And the academic consensus through years of solid textual critical analysis, historical critical methods and archaeology leads to an objective consensus of the dates that state he is right, 80CE for Matthew with Luke and John much l8r.

A consensus likely older than you, unanimously present in all study bibles, papers and journals of which the excerpt I shared is taken from one(Oxford Annotated Bible With Apocrypha), with top and virtually all institutions like Havard and Stanford still teaching it with their top academics like Dale Martin and Christain Hayes or even othes like Bart, Mcclellan and Allison. There's a reason for a consenus and its cause it's factually right regardless of belief or conspiracy theory based on the available data and evidence.

Might want to get busy writing your paper and journal, getting it published to prove they were all written before 70 CE cause merely saying it doesn't make it factual. The only books of the new testament earlier than 70CE are Paul's letters of which he wrote just 8 of the 13.

MaxInDHouse:
You need a life so go get it and stop being a sadist in Jesus name: Amen!

If "to get a life" is the life you have at this ur age i don't want it. 😌 Looking foolish at an advanced age instead of commanding respect is not a life even though it might seem so for a pedophile. Get sense in jesus name. Amen 😁

achorladey:
MaxInDHouse is the madness and insanities peddling brains for a reason after all

How well will one describe hypocrite, a person that cannot call his own son a thief when caught red handed but readily accuse and prosecute other children equally caught carrying out the same act as thieves.

Big hypocrite. See how he immediately changed the topic when faced with facts he couldn't use his dumb brain to counter.

MaxInDHouse:
Your own case has been settled because to a layman you are neither here nor there yet you buried your head in shame after seeing how your pride drowned in a thread having to do with JWs unlike other threads where you ridicules faith in God and Christ this one is a pill too hard for you to swallow.
Ọmọ get a life it doesn't pay been a sadist on faceless social media!

What is this deluded pedophile saying. E change topic once. 😄 Abeg try proofread your nonsense before posting. I know you've been outed as a pedo, so you're shaking, but still, proofread your dross abeg, last i checked you can supposedly read n write at an 8yr olds level.

Kobojunkie:
Quick correction to your claims here. History has it that Jesus Christ of Israel died approximately 30- 33 AD, and the nation of Judah, including the city of Jerusalem itself were ravaged beginning in approximately 70 AD after which all Jews who survived were exiled from the land — the Roman's kicked them out— meaning Matthew's — himself a Jew—account of the records came from a period before 70AD, less than 40 years after the death of Jesus Christ of Israel.

You're wrong he's right. Dating Matthew to 70 CE would make it the earliest gospel which it's not. Mark is the gospel dated to 70 CE. Matthew is dated to about 50years after Jesus' death to 80CE.

achorladey:


What is my problem with inside or outside? Will it change the fact that members of Jehovah's Witness are child abusers? No.

This your question is an example how your lies and manipulations filled madness and insanities peddling brains works.

It started from one man perpetrating violence to is the violence done inside or outside.

To expose you more, your agenda is always people carrying weapons to kill fellow Christians. E.g Catholic carrying weapons to kill fellow Catholic now you want to know whether the violence in your midst is done outside.

You just want to look different at all cost and by all means. This question of yours is evidence that you are not different from others you bad mouth here and there

The guy is a confirmed pedophile. Imagine the m0ronic semantics. Inside outside. Its no longer the incidents didn't occur.