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AntiChristian:
You only spoke about what you know! If you want to be on point will you mention the Qur'an at all?

Hypocrite!

What's with all the ironies today. If not for the fact you have little to no brain matter left between you ears from all the head slamming, you'd have known a hypocrite is exactly what i called ur dumb ass, while also addressing the topic at hand. What's a delusional man who points at another delusional man for having a different kind of delusion? Easy with your head eh, very little left.

Edojoma:
I understand u, it is not ur fault, u were born into Islam and thus u must defend it. It's just a decision u didn't make ursef.

Do u even know if I don't believe in any religion

Pls state any script in d Bible were Jesus encouraged violence. In quote "where Jesus encouraged violence".

Peace bro, I was a muslim, and I tell u, u can't criticize Islam or prophet Muhammad so far u are still a muslim.

But first, consider humanity before religion. Cos without humans, dere will be no religion.

😄 Why do apologetics love presumption and presupposition so damn much, the irony. Been called a muslim is a new one, its mostly atheist and satan worshipper. " Jesus never encouraged violence " So he isn't god?! Quit playing, your religion is filled with as much violence as the islam you deride. Heads and tails of the same coin.

angelboy01:
Hyproctical dingbat, you bear lucifer, the same arch angel that was downcasted from heaven. Why bear his name if you believe he exists? So you don't believe in fables but you believe in luci. Can you see you are the one with schizophrenia and delusional.

Tyoical of religious schizo's, presume and presuppose on little arbitrary data and then run wild with it. And who says i believe in a "lucifer" from your book of jokes bible. You put all the energy in your 2 brain cells to come up with that nonsense from a username, wouldn't expect anything different from someone with nothing but space btw the ears. The ghost from your book who shags virgins must have done some nasty things to you.

Krismas:
parrots talk!

A chameleon changes colour ergo a dog or rabbit can change colour, don't be obtuse 🙄

kwubisjubis:
How did you try to find out the truth about the story. Kindly share your methodology and maybe we can start believing you.
You don't remain in your myopic confines to negate a fact that has a place and a date.

Extraordinary claims without evidence can just as easily be dismissed without any evidence, common sense. Imagine the irony of using the word myopic 😁 These religious schizo's sef.

angelboy01:
If parrots and othee birds can talk what makes other animals not to talk. I might not believe the beheading story but about animals talking yes it's possible because the creator of heaven and earth can work in mystery so rest.

Every schizophrenic has the right to be delusional obviously. Doesn't stop any sane person from pointing it out though.

angelboy01:
If parrots and othee birds can talk what makes other animals not to talk. I might not believe the beheading story but about animals talking yes it's possible because the creator of heaven and earth can work in mystery so rest.

Every schizophrenic has the right to be delusional obviously. Doesn't stop any sane person from pointing it out.

Basicend:
Your name says it all. .

Could say same about your IQ.

AntiChristian:
But you ended up not saying much about the Qur'an! Is it that you know next to nothing about it?

You don't say! Forgive me for not going into detail on the book of the dense quaran, on a topic primarily cited in the book of fables bible. Should have gone on a full tangent right?!🙄

Well it is expected when the death of an apocalyptic prophet, killed like a common criminal for political reasons is reinterpreted by his cultic following to comfort their delusions. This reinterpreted narrative is then told anonymously not by witnesses mind you, several decades after said event. And the 4 anonymous sources of this new narrative heavily contradict each other, with the original manuscripts missing and what you have are thousands of copies of copies of copies of the original where no 2 copies are the same and you expect it to make sense. Not surprising for someone who adores a similar joke of a text called the quaran.

The volume of daft writeups in this section shows the myopic reasoning of the average religious schizo.

Edojoma:
The quran is the actual problem. Too much violence in d quran. U said one should follow d quran to be a true muslim, but I put it to u dat u are not a true muslim, cos u r not following d quran.

Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"

Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."

Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush.

Do u I've by these verses. Or are they not in the quran.

Islam preaches violence against non Muslim even wen dey do u people no harm. But Christianity teaches FORGIVENESS.

Av never read anywhere in d quran dat preaches forgiveness. Pls enlighten me, if u may. I wanna learn.

And your christianity or jesus is violence free?! Please spare us the hypocrisy and come of your high horse. Seems hypocrisy is synonymous with chtistianity or maybe its just plain ignorance.

Walked headless and continued preaching for 9 frigging kms🤡. Always ludicrous stories without verifiable sources, well if you believe in a talking snake and donkey this is one small step on the road named delusion😅.

Understandable but there's a good no of reasons why this is bs.

Kukutenla:
Adeboye was right. There is no way you can satisfy everybody. If Christians agree on everything you'll say they are brainwashed and gullible
More they are questioning things and you call them a joke
You are confused bro

Firstly i said your whole religion's a joke, text and followers alike, made no distinction. Also, isn't it said god's not an author of confusion, that's ironic as fvck. Secondly it seems the kool aid your religion feeds you has corroded and grinded to a halt the gears in your brain, stopping you from reasoning properly.

Cause to come up with such a made up non existent strawman, all in a bid to substantiate a m0ronic claim you concocted in your head, is the specialty of religious kool aid drinkers. Please indulge me and show me any reputable field or idea where objectivity has ever been ridiculed, and I'm the one confused lol. Its not too late to save your last functioning brain cells man. Damn!

Christianity would always remain an unfunny joke. Supposed divine messages that lack objectivity, so much so that no 2 christains wholistically agree on their texts, yet make claims about its univocality. Tbf its actually funny, so maybe a funny joke.

StillDtruth:
I know you are a mad person and you will insalt me because i make you show the world how very foolish you atheists are but i will address any seemingly reasonable thing i see you saying.

No equation is ever complete. They all stop where the maker of it chooses to stop it. And that is why we have short equations and long equations.

And whether short or long, mathematicians solved them.

This illiterate sef, it's spelt 'insult'. Don't let being mentally handicapped hold you back ehn, take baby steps, one day you may get sense.

The thing is how can you give an answer to an equation that's not complete. We only have one side of the equation which is what comes before death. Given the knowledge of this part of the equation, we could attempt to paint a picture through the context of our individual lives but imo, it'll not be complete without the other side of the equation which is what comes after.

So imo it's neither as we don't know the whole equation. Which reminds me about a doc i was seeing, some birds, burrow owls(they're endangered) to be precise where in a box about to be introduced into the wild, they looked really scared cause they didn't know what was coming next. One by one the human removed an owl at a time, there were abt 20 of em. Each one retreating back not wanting to be the next one picked up. That stuff made me think in the direction of this question.

StillDtruth:
Says the illiterate universal Fool having nothing but insalts to say.

You're obviously describing your saggy titted mother who wholesomely passed the retardation genes unto you. 'Insalt' 🤣 As dumb as he speaks.

StillDtruth:
When a Fool is answered and he sees he is a fool, we all know that the fool will resort to insalts and abuses.

😅 Not only 'insalt', what about inpepper and inonion? Calling you a grade A m0ron is a compliment.

KnownUnknown:
Lol, he said ‘calm down” as if the comment was a display of emotion and not detached indifference to his nonsense.

Lol! He first of all tried to appeal to your emotions, when that didn't work he went for reverse psychology, so funny and shallow. All to hide the bs he's spouting behind a crumbling facade.

StillDtruth:
Deuteronomy 20 is The Law of Just War, every reasonable person knows that but of course devils like you would rather have a people defenceless but that they should lie down and be inslaved, raped and plundered where you would still say tha how can God do nothing and yet His people are being killed and inslaved.

So, this is a case of if God did nothing, you would abuse Him and now He did something and inpowered His people to destroy enemies and yet again you devils still speak rubbish.

So, clearly its better His people keep pounding enemies like they are doing to palestine Hamas, till God Comes to finish this world, while you make stupid noises till your own destruction comes.

Resident m.oron. Are u done suckling on you mother's saggy tits?! So daft not to even realise the silent treatment, spelling u a fool.

SIRTee15:
Yapping yapping yapping.
Tell me what God the bible said about the type of slavery the op is talking about- enforced slavery.

Did God approve of kidnapping people and forcing them into slavery.
Would God have approved of the trans Atlantic slave trade and the trans Sahara slave trade. This is the one the op brought up here.

Deut 20 is what?! Petting them as kings abi😃 All the people they destroyed their cities and took them hostage are what?! On the side how did they ever find out which women were virgins to take for spoils, if not through sexual assault, not even considering the rape. Abegi

SIRTee15:
Since adeniyi65 and his advocate Lucifyre failed to answer my question, I will provide the answer.
Where did the abolitionist receive the inspiration to end slavery- THE BIBLE

The bible makes it clear SLAVE TRADE is evil and rightfully condemned it.


APOSTLE PAUL BANNED SLAVE TRADERS FROM THE CHURCH.

1 Timothy 1
9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

THE BOOK OF REVELATION REVEALS SLAVE TRADERS ARE BOUND FOR HELL.
Revelation 18
When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. 10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:

“‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,
you mighty city of Babylon!
In one hour your doom has come!’

11 “The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore— 12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and human beings sold as slaves.

GOD INSTRUCTED TO PUT DEATH ANY SLAVE KIDNAPPER OR WHOEVER FORCEFULLY ENSLAVE SOMEONE.
Exodus 21
16 “Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession.

From the above its pretty clear the whole atlantic slave trade and the transaharan slave trade was evil IN THE EYES OF GOD and all those who partook in it are bound for hell.
100% of slaves taken out of Africa were kidnapped, forcefully enslaved, beaten to submission and traded in open market as cargoes.

BIBLE CONDEMNED IT AND MAKES IT CLEAR ABOVE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE. THE ABOLITIONIST WERE THUS RIGHT TO USE THE BIBLE TO JUSTIFY THE END TO SLAVE TRADE.

adeniyi and Lucifyre, this is the answer u fail to provide.

Now that we know enforced slavery is wrong, what about voluntary slavery- people who choose to be slaves. This is where the issue of bondservant comes in. I will explain later, time to go to work.

What's the definition of condemned in your dictionary. Cause these are certainly not condemnations but outright endorsements.


1 Peter 2:18
Slaves should remain submissive, with every fear, to masters, not only those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are crooked.

1 Timothy 6:1 6
All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered.

1 Corinthians 7:21
Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so.

Colossians 3:22
Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.

Ephesians 6:5 NLT
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

1 Timothy 6:1-2
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.

Leviticus>44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, **and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Exodus 21 v 7-11
And if a man sells his daughter to be a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has betrothed her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt deceitfully with her. And if he has betrothed her to his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights. And if he does not do these three for her, then she shall go out free, without paying money.

There's many more in Exodus, Deut and Leviticus, anf in Deut it clearly states how the Isrealites are not to be treated as slaves like the foreigners, so wth. This is npt even considering other babrbaric incidents, as well as plain hypocrisy and contradictions.

Didn't even see Jaephoenix had already done justice, all those are what?! Condemnations indeed 😅. All these ignorant theists sef, read your frigging bible.

KnownUnknown:
Christians and Jews (inherently duplicitous) are so delusional. They can see all the atrocities in Islam and can open their mouths to criticize people like Boko Haram; BUT, the bloodthirst and madness in their religion are glossed over and excused.
They will rightly criticize Boko Haram, but when the same behavior is pointed out in their scriptures, they twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify the same behavior.

If one isn’t delusional and read some of those so called scriptures, one would realize that the Hebrew god is a repulsive creature created by greedy people, Moses would be called a terrorist, and Jesus would not be viewed as nothing more than a cult leading charlatan.

Apt as fvck, extremely delusional and as well confidently ignorant.😅 Pot criticizing kettle.

SIRTee15:
U better go back n read my post. If U have comprehension issues, that's your business.

You mean the typo riddled dross below😅. Not my fault you can't write properly or know the difference between is and if.🤷🏾

adeniyi65:
Note: your argument knows NO direction again as you have refused to accept that you have been hit hard. Where in the Bible verses did God against slavery as clear as he did on other mere sins? You kept running around no answer.

Good. I'm glad the conversation is open for public review. The conversations are there for all eye to see. And the unaware believers' mind shall be knock with truth. And it will be left to them to reflect or remain intelligent slaves. We have both done our part for humanity.

You've boxed him into a corner and he's got no answer so he's strawmanning and tangenting hard away from the question, see how he swerved same question i asked. Dude is apologetic to slavery as is his bible, see his disgusting response about slaves unable to think for themselves. Was hoping the numerous typos made me misunderstand, but nope.

SIRTee15:
We are both saying the same thing.
Yank off the pages of the bible u don't like and push an agenda with the rest.
Is that not what adeniyi was trying to do here until he started convulsing on the 2 questions I asked him and couldn't go any further.
He came here and started yarping bible condone slavery conveniently ignoring passages that clearly condemns it including a whole book in the bible dedicated to emancipation of slaves.

Dishonest people abound on both sides of every argument.

I think slaves are not worth to decide for themselves is slavery is wrong or not is they read the whole bible so some people have to decide for them.

Its ok. What part of the bible clearly condemns slavery, cause as far as i know there's none like what you have with murder, theft, idolatry etc. As for your last paragraph, i can't comprehend what you're saying and i hope what i did understand was wrong.

SIRTee15:
I agree with U 100%.
What the slave masters did definitely wasn't Christianity. It was religious fraud.

No Christian will mutilate the bible and them preach from a bible that has only half it's pages intact.
No true Christian will yank off half of the bible pages and then preach from the remaining half.

Slaves masters were not Christians. QED.

Ah yes, the always deferred to "no true scottsman fallacy"

SIRTee15:
By giving them a different bible right?
A bible that omitted more than half of the bible pages.
That doesn't look like Christianity to me, that's religious fraud.

One, its not like there's any objective bible recognised univocally by those who read it, different religions and different denominations have different varied accepted texts even though a lot of the texts are mutual between religions and denominations.

Two, i don't know if i'll call it fraud but yes you could say its fraud but if they didn't do it how accepting of the bible would the slaves be if they could read that the book says they could be beaten to within an inch of their life as long as they don't die, considering the inhumane trauma they were already passing through, so they found a way to make them accept it i guess.

adeniyi65:
Abolitionism in its simplest meaning means stopping something. But the general use of abolitionism can be cite towards Western slavery. no qualm. For clarification sake I would agree with you on some case for later comparison. the reason why the westerners gave different Bible to slaves? The Bible given to them is a sensored Bible that is meant to keep them in continual slavery. Many part of OT were filtered away leaving most of the NT part that instructs slaves to be submissive to their masters. https://www.history.com/news/slave-bible-redacted-old-testament


It's clear that NT has verses that supports equality of all human irrespective of race or color in the front of God(what your claimed abolitionists cited), but does that erase the verses that hold tight to slavery? And it's still the same Bible which instructs slaves to remain submissive.


The trait of Christians from the earliest time to the present day can be liked to a system, a system of filtering bible reference to suit their ambition. What would now happen to the part they left if other same believers of yours pick it?



Now to accept your verdict for sake of later clarification. Let us accept that Western abolitionists were influenced by Bible. What influenced those that distanced themselves from slavery in Africa or other part of Africa? as I await the answer, I will clarify something here again. Settlements that knew nothing about Christianity or Islam distanced themselves from slavery because their reasoning is against it. Their own have nothing to do with abolitionism. So I haven't deviate from the topic. Is it also Bible that stop people who distanced themselves from slavery? No! People used their reasoning to distance themselves from slavery.


Note: I wouldn't entirely disqualify your claim that Arab world is forced to abandon slavery.



You can also check the link below to know that Bible supported slavery clearly. The blog post is written by a Christian who is open to dialogue. https://michaelpahl.com/2017/01/27/the-bible-is-clear-god-endorses-slavery/



A big question here for you. Bible openly preach against adultery, idolatry, backbiting and many others. Why did Bible refused to do same on slavery?

Well said, case in point 👇🏾

NiceLegs:
Most people coming here to condemn men wearing makeup have brothers and boyfriends who put on Earrings, wear Necklaces, Plait their hairs and have several Tattoos on their bodies.

Its typical of moronic nigerians with senile brains. Anyone who dares to live a life different from their myopic world view is castigated, while been some of the biggest hypocrites alive. They leave important things like how to fix their shithole of a country and focus on irrelevant nonsense that adds no value, then bark like rabid dogs when u hold a mirror to their face. Saw some barking at a lady on a diff thread simply because she said she doesn't want children. Something that affects them no how. Make it make sense. As long as the person causes no harm to others they can do whatever the fvck they want.