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Jesus himself never found Christianity, dude was a full on jew practicing Judaism throughout his life. His teachings and life formed the basis of the Christian faith, Paul would be a more worthy founder.

InvertedHammer:
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Go and read the original version of the Bible written in Greek. Stop relying on the watered down, lost in translation English version of events. This is assuming that the story told by a third party many decades or centuries after the supposed creation is true. There are too many unanswered questions about creationism. Did God create water? Did God create darkness? Where did Cain's wife come from? If Cain married Avan from the land of Nod, who created the parents and the people of Nod?

I believe that if the story in Genesis were an African folklore, most of you would call it a total bullshit. But coming from colonialists, impressionable people hold it as the absolute truth.

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Pedantic but technically speaking the original version of the bible was in hebrew not greek. It was later translated into greek(Septuagint), and then aramaic(Targum) before the latin(Vulgate) and then others. Rest of your points raised remain valid though.

Decent writeup and writing style. Thoughts succintly put across. Most of the differing views in Christianity didn't just come out of nowhere its been there from the origins. Right there from the disciples and apostles and long after em.  Most of the ancient forms of Christianity are not even known to people in the world today, since they eventually came to be reformed or stamped  out.

As a result, the sacred texts that some ancient Christians used to support their religious perspectives came to be proscribed, destroyed, or forgotten – in one way or another lost.  There's been a lot of tussle and there'll continually and perpertually be a lot of tussle. That's what happens when objectivity is absent, leads to the most interpreted text in the world.

At least the origin of Christianity doesn't pretend to have any objectivity, so they kind of embrace the diversity and subjectivity of interpretations in the Tanakh.

Lol! This confirmed charlatan.

JASONjnr:
The African traditions was partially senseless....


In most cases, a certain king rules and make decisions the helps him and his family and allies.....

Democracy helps to curtail those nonsense. How will you banish someone to go fvck himself anywhere he feels? Or send people to the forest to die.....?

Today we have courts that will pass judgement, you do the time and return a rehabilitated human.

Have you read the bible? Same senselessness applies there, quaran?! same thing.

Kobojunkie:
The ignorance you keep harping on(feigned or not) is not mine at all. The fact is that pretty much the of the myths regarding angels, including those propagated by your person, amount to gobbledegook when compared to that which is presented in Scripture!

Typical! Called it though, "hubris has to hubris". Can't even make sense of what u'r saying, learn to proofread and get rid of ur typos. Like i said quite simply "go educate urself" instead of showcasing your loud ignorance, i could spoon feed u the info like you're 5 which is typical' but u'ld have to ask for the references. u obviously won't though cause... Ask and you shall receive, else take ur dense mind that way 👇🏾 Junkie with the itch 😏.

Kobojunkie:
You attacks only go to bolster the fact that you are aware these ideas you spew are merely from your imagination and have nothing to do with Scripture. Why you pretend they do is beyond me..

There are absolutely no Scriptural references available for any of the many angel myths even you notoriously spew. As you can see, even those attached to the passage of [b]Genesis 6 vs 1 - [/b]4 do not conform with the information actually recorded.

Or or... hear me out... you could just say anonymous person i'm ignorant of this claim please educate me about said claim with references added as well. Foreign concept to you i know, you prefer the rabid approach, you itch for it. Kill the ignorance, mention me if you need me to educate you about my claim, ill add refs as well. Doubt it tho, cause hubris has to hubris😁. tick tock!

Kobojunkie:
What you pretend to know has nothing to do with the Bible but is from the many imaginations of your head.

Of course the resident rabid fellow that always got an itch to scratch. Im sure u've got access to a plethora of resources, why not educate urself instead of loud ignorance. Or better still ask for references to cure said ignorance on the central claim. I'll be happy to oblige.😏

illicit:
Really?

U have met one?

Not really but I have this special gift, i read and i know things... lol! Seriously though its in the bible and its most times nothing like cupid.

Veecruz:
We never find our great great grandpa bones na dinosaur and giants we won kon find?

Your daft reasoning always shines through "dtruthspeaker". Told u ill be ignoring ur dumb ass, different monikers won't stop ur incoherent daft reasoning from being spotted. 😄

illicit:
U must be talking about the ugly ones

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I don't know if they're ugly or beautiful but i know they look nothing like op posted. More like 👇🏾

Quick thought! If these "giants" actually existed why haven't we found any evidence for em especially archeologically, especially since we could find that of the dinosaurs that existed way before humans. 🧐 For the answer to your question Its cause it makes a fascinating story.

illicit:
I will pay anything to knack a pretty angel


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Wait till you find out what angels supposedly look like. Then you'd understand the phrase "Be not afraid".

Tourist42:
What's the point Sir? They both were influenced by the Devil with two different intentions buh from one person(d devil?)? Is this not contradictory?

Of course its contradictory, lots of contradictions. Judas' death is another major plot hole with the differing accounts in Matthew and Acts.

Nyanabo:
The world is coming to an end. Normally animals don't eat their kind.

Says who?! Educate urself. Lots of species do, even the cute hamster does.

Same fundamental instincts drives most animals to do what they do, humans as well. We're already genetically programmed to be the way we are, not some mythological punishment for abuse of free will. Survival, Self preservation, Reproduction and Fear are basically why we do what we do and act how we act. Its the same down the food chain all the way to the bottom.

Strict doesn't even cut it. It's interesting how ur hyping up all his terrible qualities. A hypocrytical, narcissitic, impulsive, confused, murderous, racist, rape apologist, child killing sociopathic being. Funny how he supposedly changed his ways when its claimed he doesn't change and even then he still needed blood from the killing of his child cause he couldn't just outrightly forgive. Apt portrayal of a sociopath is what you have in the mythological book called the Tanakh or should i say "Old Testament". Basically just myth, nothing more.

Trash

CharlotteFlair:
Jehovah wickedness is the name.

Idiot! 😂 You just gave me hiccups from laughing hard.

gohf:
ermmm, why should I?

You simply cannot ergo looking for an out. Typical.

Veecruz:
Nepa increased tarrif are we not judging them? Or bobrisky who won women competition are we not judging him? Or isreal pounding palestine, are they not being judged?

Delude yourself cos you already know that if Anyone should Judge you, you are finished. And did anyone call you to this thread? You came in your own so, it is your guilt that is tormenting you with fear, telling you that you are finished. No one called you, it is your condemned soul that is disturbing you.

That's ur proof of "Spiritual Judgement" in the afterlife!😄 Ok seriously, i wasn't expecting anything sensible but wasn't expecting something obtuse either, quite typical. Anyways which of the gods is doing the condemning of souls... Is it Anu, Enki, Enlil, Marduk, Inanna, Ereshkigal, Ra, Hades Baal or let me guess El 🤔, the chief god of the pantheon of cannanite gods before assimilation into other ancient near east religions. No?! Yhwh right or his consort Asherah. Let's go with Yhwh then, the warrior god sure loves torture and condemnation as can be seen from his various genocides in the error ridden and historically inacurate Tanakh or Bible as you call it.

Anyways if there's going to be condemnation of souls y'all are already condemned 😁 cause you guys cant even agree on a single interpretation of your religious texts hence the tens of thousands of denominations interpreting their own variety of delusion. Would've been inclined to take a united front more seriously but at least 40000 different denominations with varying interpretations!!! Nah... I prefer to watch you guys in your mental box participate in your differing illusions and delusions. I'll watch from the sidelines, thank u very much. You guys could do home and away. Maybe god of catholics tortures erring pentecostals and then god of pentecosals tortures erring catholics. Big joke.

Veecruz:
It is already proven all over the world that every activity we do is always under Judgment so, you are just deluding yourself cos you already know that The Judgment will be horrorfull and very very bad for you

Its a simple thing show proofs with hard objective facts or keep ur fear mongering for simple minded smooth brains like urself.

gohf:
how can you believe when you already believe it is absolutely unprovable.


You wall yourself in and expect someone else to get you out but once anyone breaks that wall you go and rebuild it again. It means you don't want to get out, yet you complain of the very wall you built yourself.

Quite simple really, prove it then. No plenty talk.

gohf:
I answered it already. If life had no purpose then there would be no judgement to how we use it. But because there's judgement, then there is purpose.

If we are judged rightly by fulfilling that purpose it means discovering that purpose is possible. and the one who created life is the one who defines it's possible.

Our purpose is to do the will of God, and God wills that we love, we care, we work, provide and replenish, multiply and be bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

Like i said hypothesis and subjective opinions. Non of what you said can be proven with hard objective facts. Absolutely non.

The purpose of life?? Truth is no one knows. What you get are mere hypothesis and subjective opinions at best. Absolutely no one knows our purpose here.

RealLordZeus:
Moses did not write any book..

Except the book of Revelation, all the books in the bible are written by unknown author

You are right and also wrong. Right cause Moses most likely didn't write any books and this is the first time ive come across the claim of Moses writing Job. Normally its that Moses wrote the Pentateuch/Torah. As for your second claim you're wrong Paul alone wrote 7 out of the 13 books attributed to him. As for a lot of the rest, its the usual pseudepigraphy.

"The book does not have any of what you describe at all"

Yeah... I'm going to press x to trash that. I think its safer for me to rely on proven facts by academic scholars who've all made significant head way in biblical studies than some anonymous rando on the internet that says "No" lol! especially when the central claim and the contradictions to said claim is quite obvious.


"2. I read the Epic of Gilgamesh -- I did so recently too-- actually and I came away believing that there were similarities that existed in one particular idea with the Noah story contained in Scripture but the stories were all too very different at the same time. So, let's stop making this vague connections where no serious contacts even exist.."

Yet again i'ld trash the randos pov and rely on the pov of the life work of academic scholars who have made these connectiions and established how the flood story from the sumerian texts which is the oldest civilization(4000BCE before Genesis texts in about 6th Century BCE)  influenced the same story been retold  by and across other near eastern texts of other mesopotanian civilizations. The isrealites been one of them as they were part and one of other cannanite groups. Except u've conducted your own studies and published it to be accepted by the wider acaedemic community, saying  contrary is just empty noise. I'ld suggest you educate urself, i could recommend books from renouned academic biblical scholars not fundamentalists/ apologists, that's if you want. 😏


"3. What exactly are you on about? Am I to take it that you read the book seeking objectivity regarding what exactly? Less varied deductions? What in the world are you on about ? Look up the meaning of the word "inspired" and tell me what you understanding is then of this "divinely inspired" idea of yours."

Quite sure i was clear enough as you helped me in confirming my point with the 40,000 + denominations you mentioned. If you still don't get it then im sure you could get a dictionary to assist you and maybe also check the meaning of "inspired" alongside your study. Don't forget to mention me if you need those rcommendations. You could start with Dr Bart Ehrman, he's my fav.

MaxInDHouse:
Atheists like you don't appreciate the truth at least i have presented to you an organization numbering millions where you can find people having the same line of thought about what the Bible teaches.

That's enough!

First of i'm not an atheist. Secondly how rather convenient what u consider truth is based from ur narrow minded pov and not fact. You have every right to enjoy ur grandeur delusions.

Kobojunkie:
The problem isn't the book even as we have it today. The problem is the notion that every person who reads the book can then assert his or her private interpretation of what is clearly stated in each of the contained books by the different authors over different times.

If a book has multiple possible varied decutions when its claim is a singular one then problem's not the people but the book. No one reads the epic of gilgamesh or other epics or say the decent of Ishtar and comes to extremely varied conclusions even though they're much older than the bible. Even books covering more complex topics like astro physics, time dilation, quantum mechanics have less varied deductions and are more conclusively objective than the "divinely inspired" book. Somehow its mainly and almost always religious texts with this problem. Or is it not the same set of people reading other books and coming to objective conclusions?!

MaxInDHouse:
You asked for TWO but i presented millions of Witnesses in our time {Hebrews 12:1 compare to Act 1:8} and Jesus told us that we will be little in number compare to those that will be destroyed!

Lol! As objective fact or disillusioned imaginative info propped up by confirmation bias.