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AntiChristian:
Yeah! Stop comparing your life.

Doesn't change the quran been a dumber and dafter repackaged version of the bible. Which is funny as you often ridicule and point out inconsistencies in the bible when its just 2 sides of the same dirty coin, with the quran been nastier and dirtier. Delusional man pointing out others for having a diffrent kind of delusion, isn't that ironic and funny. Go sit down in a corner joor.

AntiChristian:
Prologue
Sometimes I wonder why God in the Bible approved things he does not want to happen! Abraham sleep with Hagar, his wife's slave and God (not Satan) gave them Ishmael. Later God gave Sarah Isaac. Then God sent Hagar and Ishmael away making Isaac the promised Child! (It was different with Jacob who slept with two slaves of Leah and Rachel.)

This shows that the son of a slave is lesser in worth than the son a freeborn in God's eye! There was no sin on the part of Hagar or Ishmael.
And why does God approve the fertilization if He would later reject the kid? Why was Abraham's case different from Jacob's?

Slavery in the Bible

1. The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

2. The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?

3. The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and has sex with them!
4. What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don’t die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

5. You would think that Jesus would inspire Paul and the New Testament to have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

6. Advise for Christian slaves
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

7. Finally Jesus's ending notes
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

Because its myth and fiction mixed with a dose of reality of the times they were written in, same as the useless quran.

StillDtruth:
Only a mad person is not angry when stupid people talk.

Meaning those around you would develop anger disorder🤣

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ keep on waiting for proof billions out there are still investigating and some have found GOD!

Which god or should i say gods😄. Last i checked there are at least 10,000 of em, some polytheistic others henotheistic and of course monotheists. Even those serving the same god don't agree, what an amazing investigation. Just a bunch of jokers participating in the god delusion. Oga rest u've got nothing save for empty noise.

MaxInDHouse:
To you any gathering of worshipers singing, dancing, shouting, praying and worshiping in Jesus name are Christians shey?

Well i don pass your level because na so me self dey think before my investigation so chill my guy you don't know what it means to be a Christian!

🥱 More noise, still no proof in sight.

MaxInDHouse:
No investigation! Psalms 10:4

You just conclude that all religionists claiming Christian are Christians when you are too lazy to INVESTIGATE, yet you want intelligent peoples to take you seriously.

Go and figure out what Christians mean first before coming to argue on what totally eludes your perception!

Ah yes! Now we move onto the always amusing bs "no true scottsman" fallacy. So many subjective claims and tangents, so little proof or common sense. Of course you just happen to know the true xtains, the rest are doing it wrong. According to the other 43,ooo they are right, the rest are doing it wrong, everyone's subjective conclusion is right the rest are wrong and are going to burn for picking the wrong version. You then mention intelligence near this absolute clownfest, irony of ironies 😂.

Wait! let me guess, I'm supposed to use your own version of the book of contradictions to find the true christains. And these true christains just happen to have a similar m.o to literal cults and somehow happen to shield rapists, child abusers and other sexual deviants, right?! Those are the true christains, right?! Lol! You've got no single shred proof and you know it, hence the numerous empty claims and tangents. Where are we tangenting to now after no true scottsman? What claim devoid of evidence is next😁

MaxInDHouse:
Good question!

This is what the Bible says:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Micah 4:1-3

With the above prophecy a global family of peace loving worshipers has emerged in our day a proof that the Bible God is alive as His words comes true.
Today out of all the religions claiming they know God on planet earth one organization has successfully stopped all it's members from thinking about fighting and killing their neighbors but always going to visit them and pleading for global peace.

With that the Bible God has been vindicated!

Lots of empty dross dressed as words, still no proof. At least we've moved passed using half baked analogies😁. Now we've moved to mumbo jumbo from a book that contradicts itself at every turn, while still failing to provide proof for any claim. I don't care for your book of contradictions or whatever it says, when you guys who read it can't come to any objective conclusion and would never ergo remaining a joke. A⁺ for circular reasoning though. Your book of contradictions is the claim, not the proof, something you xtains can't get into your heads for some funny reason.

MaxInDHouse:
All what you want is for God to appear to you in person but that's not the result intelligent people are seeking.

People often do autopsy on the carcass of the dead to ASCERTAIN what happened when nobody is there to see and through the autopsy they are able to know exactly what happened.

So if you're not ready for thorough investigation apart from insisting on seeing God it's OK others are still on the investigation!

Meanwhile you've not spoken about the God you believe or worship!

The irony of mentioning intelligence in the same sentence as religion 😄. Would knowing the god i believe in make you stop spouting half baked analogies or bring you any closer to empirical proof of your narcissist of a god?! All these nairaland kids in adult bodies pretending to be grown up men, imagine digging into my profile for ammo lol, age is truly just a number. For your half baked analogy, you forget empirical proof is required during the autopsy to establish objective circumstances of death or you didn't reason that far. With your 40,000 plus and counting denominations, where's the objective conclusion after all the investigations? You guys and your unfunny joke.

MaxInDHouse:
You never made any investigation nah so leave matter for Matthias!

You who made all the investigations and still turned up empty without a single shred of proof. An unfunny joke.

richmond500:
I'm tired of the questions.
To be frank with u, I am Atheist, I really do not believe or care about the qualities of God tbh.
The only thing I could afford to discuss is someone telling me God exists, as for what I think a God should be... Omo I do not care

Asking theist's to make their point without asking obtuse leading questions and making use of analogies that don't follow, is like compelling 2 to be an odd number, Virtually impossible. They'd be like deers in front of a headlight moping instead of moving.

Aemmyjah:
Do you actually believe the violinist exists or you're repeating the words of a disgruntled audience?

What does my agreeing with Dawkins on a particular subject matter have to do with if Dawkins exists?! Funny.

MaxInDHouse:
Good!

So you have nothing to do with this case about speaking for God it's still a fresh case in many places and minds of billions around you!

Wouldn't change the fact that even if they investigate from now till another 5000 yrs they'll never come up with objective and empirical proof. Subjective conclusions and anecdotes without substance nor based on reality would forever be the outcome, dividing the so called investigators even those who offshoot from the same branch across numerous lines. Nonsensical chaos that's fun to watch, as it was from the very onset.

Aemmyjah:
Richard Dawkins, River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life (1995)



"In a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but pitiless indifference."


Do you agree with Dawkins on this?
Do you accept your existence has no meaning, no difference, no purpose and no design?

The fact i liked a violinist's outstanding solo in an orchestra performance doesn't mean I'm obligated to like all his performances. There's something called nuance.

MaxInDHouse:
If a case is truly closed billions out there won't be rendering sacred service to God/Gods so it's you that have reached your limit when talking about how far you can go with your investigation!

Last i checked, don't remember speaking for anyone save for myself.

richmond500:
The fact that people are looking forward to spending eternity with that control freak baffles me.

Do they read?! How many of them read their bibles nevermind reading about the context surrounding it. YHVH's the epitome of toxic, more toxic than ground zero of a nuclear bomb.

MaxInDHouse:
Are you concluding on what this man said or you will like to make your own investigation?

Lol! What investigation?! For a case that's closed and the folder's already collecting dust on the shelf.

richmond500:
If you didn just 50% investigations of the points OP gave in page one. U will know that something is very wrong with the biblical god

"The God of the Bible is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

― Richard Dawkins

jaephoenix:
I have already warned him
Glad you know too

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Wainey:
Bro, there are 6points in FP that you could defend. You didn't defend any, rather u came here start attacking people, such a God fearing christian

That's stilldfool, he's their M0ron In Chief, a true grade A m0ron. Careful, reasoning with him can drastically and negatively affect your brain cells.

See how they are all foaming at the mouth like rabid dogs because you don't share in the same mental delusion as they do 😄. Funny thing is they themselves dont even agree with one another which is quite ironic and have got not a single shred of proof. They could have simply scrolled by your post but nah, the virus has eaten in too deep, so they need to bark.

You don't know how difficult what you've done is, but with time you might get it. To break free from indoctrination that most likely started from your first day on earth and to then free the mind from barbaric and archaic mental delusions is no small feat. Well done on freeing your mind and thinking outside the box. As you can already see, lots of people are not going to like it, crab mentality i guess.

Expected from a literal cult. Remember a similar incident with same JW's on Discovery ID. Man wanted to leave, parents refused and began their shunning nonsense, made steps to take the kids away from him, on xmas day or his bday i think, can't remember, guy went out bought a gun, then killed his whole family including himself. Sad story all round, a terrible cult to get into.

gohf:
Are you trying to win an argument or understand the point of a conversation?

I don't know, you tell me. Nice tangent though.

Gabrielshow24:
Your write up doesn't take into account the agency of Choice!
It doesn't matter the care and finesse put into a Tesla cyber truck when the driver sends it to the lagoon.

Or don't you see how "beautiful" destruction is when human agency comes into play?

As long as there is free will there would be errors and problems and that's why God prepared from the beginning the "lamb of sacrifice" a lot will say "I want to find my own way but that self same way could lead them under the bridge"

God's not against your choice, you will use your hands to choose either life or death.

And how does that change anything i said, practically makes no difference. Besides what choice? Or you mean the illusion of choice?! Oh you mean the free will a supposed omnipotent and omniscient being who could see the end from the beginning gave his creations and was pissed off and taken aback at what they did with it, after declaring em perfect and then decided to punish and wipe em out for using said freewill, that freewill?! lol, what a joke.
Mythical stories with ludicrous plot holes written by primitive and limited minds with very little knowledge of how the world works ergo the numerous plotholes, nothing more.

Look how long you and you fellow 'christain' been arguing over whose interpretation is correct, its funny and you guys expect to be taken seriously when you can't even agree what it is your book says. Nah... Show me 2 christains who agree on the interpretation of the bible from cover to cover and you'd have found a miracle. I rather enjoy watching the delusional joke from the sidelines.

gohf:
because your life is not in saliva, sweat nor urine.

If you are asking about the flood, the question is did that look to you in anyway as a plan to save man? It was clearly God's display of anger. God wasn't starting afresh, Noah found favor and was spared. How is that starting afresh. Starting afresh by telling them they could now eat meat? Are you being serious?!

Are you not being pathetic by referring to it as impatient of a little child?

How old are you? How you ever been patient with someone who annoyed you more than a year, wait scratch that, a month without reacting?

Sorry not a month, just this post, can you be patient enough before getting impatient and anger.

Before you judge something try to check if you actually better.

By the way patiently tells us some of the "several examples" of God's word being nullified.

And how is my 'life in blood'? cause without any of the fluids, you die. So the flood wasn't to start afresh, my bad. It was according to you "God's display of anger" Oh so like an impatient narcissistic little child throwing a tantrum afterall. He supposedly gave them freewill and then was pissed off with what they did with it?! lol! Despite knowing the end from the beginning. That was part of the master plan right. Funny your subconscious agrees with me, with you referring to your god as it cause that's the most fitting description. 😁 What's even more funny is comparing a human to a supposed divine being where the human is supposedly inferior in order to justify shortcomings of said being. That's what i call... em what's the word again 'Pathetic'. As for the examples you requested of his word being nullified, they're actually so many its funny but i expect mental gymnastics as usual. How many of the commandments God gave in the Tanakh, do you follow?! If that's not nullification, i don't know what is.

Gabrielshow24:
It's Kafkaesque to you because you can't comprehend the hidden aspects of salvation!
You use physical means to solve physical problems but how do you solve spiritual ones?


Doctors in general use Medical tools for surgery. You don't see doctors use lawnmower they can as well borrow some tools from other professions. At least there are uses for hammer in the medical field but none for lawnmowers.

At the end of the day it's all about solving the problem of sin permanently, sin against God is going against his will but when you are in line with his will then there is no sin!

How then can you always be inline with God?
You must be led of God!

Lol! i'ld like to see you do without something as 'minor' as saliva, sweat or urine and then see how sustained your life would be. Besides is blood the only "major fluid that sustains life"? Or is it the only "major fluid that sustains life" that they could see and attach sentimental importance to, from left over practices of cultic rituals from their polytheistic days, which btw was also borrowed from other older surrounding cultures in the ANE. What about lymphatic, cerebrospinal and pleural fluids or even plasma?! Or those don't sustain life? Basically its the bolded, no matter the spin you put on it.

So at the end of day, the many analogies and stories leads to 'Yes' the plan failed ergo the unwinding explanations to justify it's outright failure, according to the mythical story anyway, cause its nothing more than myth. Isn't it laughable then that you have to make excuses for a supposedly omniscient, omnipotent, being by comparing it to a presupposed flawed human, who if i remember correctly, were created 'perfect'. Suddenly there's no guarantee he can create something perfect anymore?! Oh my! So much plot holes in this story of fiction, with lots of presuppositions to make up for the glaring plot holes. Its kind of funny.

"It's Kafkaesque to you because you can't comprehend the hidden aspects of salvation!" Somehow, something that requires the least common denominator of acceptance(talking abt belief btw) which is applicable to the most basic of persons suddenly has supposedly hidden nuances that require 'special comprehension'. Lol! It's no surprise then, that you guys cant even agree on what your texts say or which particular texts to even use, across your ever increasing no of denominations despite claims of inspiration from above.

For a supposedly omnipotent, omniscient being that sees the end from the beginning, your god sucks at making plans.

gohf:
The blood was required to redeem souls, for the redemption of lost souls.

Forgiveness of sins is one thing
Punishment for sins is another, God is just as He is merciful and His word cannot be nullified, the soul that sins shall die, so death must be paid for the sins of a soul.

And when a person truly forgive you they clear your debts for you.

If I forgave you a debt and still asked you to pay, have I forgiven your debt?

Jesus forgave and paid the price

Why would blood be required? Why blood even? Why not saliva or sweat or urine? Yes i'm been facetious, but that's cause it makes no iota of sense and is just regurgitated lines of indoctrination. Besides which lost souls, i thought that was already taken care of with the flood. So how come after wiping everything cause of they weren't how you wanted, in order to start afresh, you still end up with 'lost souls' needing to be saved. Does that mean the first plan failed so it had to be redone?!

And this time instead of get angry and destroying everything like an impatient child, he decides to to 'forgive' but with extra kafkaesque steps that he himself set up. His words can not be nullified?! When there are several examples of exactly that happening and its explained a way with mental gymnastics. Nah! If a person forgives you for wrongdoing, they simply move on, no extra steps. QED.

MindHacker9009:
Your consensus' fiction are from those helping to cover up the invention of your Jesus christ. The real Jesuses in the first century were normal people born of a man and a woman and not your Jesus craft born of a god that mated with Mary another man's wife to produce himself as half man/half god, that offered himself on the cross as a sacrifice to himself, then had a fake resurrection and a fake ascension and for two thousand years now he could not fake his second coming because that's too much for him to fake. All he can do now is to sneak out of the right hand of his father or himself, to appear three hundred years later to a pagan Roman emperor by showing him a sign in the sky to help him win his civil war that made the emperor to unify the Roman empire, yet the invented Jesus craft did nothing to help his own people when the same Rome destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple he called his father's house and Rome took all his people that survived the destruction of Jerusalem away as slaves to Rome.
For you to believe such nonsense shows you still have the mind of a baby.

For your information ChatGPT is a very powerful tool that provides information, answers questions, and assists with complex tasks and can solve complex problems. I know you still belong to the stone age so to you using ChatGPT to quickly gather information that would have taken years to do makes you ashamed, when it would be very expensive to travel to libraries and other information centres around the globe, but believing the nonsense that a god mated with another man's wife and produced himself and offered himself to himself on the cross makes sense to you.
This shows I 've been discussing with someone who still has the mind of a baby.

Man, I really wanted to remain courteous and didn't want to be condescending, even though from the onset it was glaringly obvious I was talking to someone with nothing but polluted air between his ears. So, let's have at it. It's funny you should say "my Jesus," because, one, I'm not even a Christian, and two, I'm not even a theist—just to show how much you're living proof that it’s possible to live without a brain. Because if you had one, you wouldn't have just made moronic assumptions like a rabid raccoon.

Like I said, if you'd like,, scream into the abyss, it wouldn't change what is a consensus fact decided upon by scholars whose feet you can't even lick. Do you even know what a fact or consensus is, you illiterate Bleep, or do you need to ask ChatGPT? 😅 If I were as dim-witted as you, I would quickly accept the claim that the historical Jesus didn't exist, as it supports my position of being irreligious and all, but nah, that's for room-temperature IQ morons like you who can't set bias aside. "Data over Dogma." I follow the evidence to come to a conclusion, even if it contradicts my original stance—simple common sense, which unfortunately forever eludes you. It's ironic you ridicule Christians because of their belief in Jesus when your own nonsense beliefs are just as deluded, but instead, more archaic and barbaric—supporting genocide, infanticide, rape, patricide, misogyny, sexual assault, discrimination, racism, hypocrisy, and whatnot from the insecure tyrant YHVH.

As far as I'm concerned, all your Abrahamic religions are major horse turd 😅, but that doesn't change the fact about the historical Jesus. At least you put your only two brain cells to work to manage to string words into sentences instead of shamelessly ripping off AI verbatim this time. As for your shallow, half-baked AI rant, save it for your fellow retards—you'll need it. A data scientist who creates data models and works with AI doesn't need info from someone who shamelessly rips off AI and couldn't articulate a simple thought process of his own for an ordinary forum discussion. The oaf couldn't even at the very least rearrange the format so it doesn't come across as AI-generated text to those who make frequent use of it.

Then again, it isn't my fault to have those expectations from someone whose only two brain cells are fighting for third place. It's interesting to see the amount of energy you put into not letting education get in the way of your ignorance. Still, I'd say go educate yourself, grade A m0ron. You're too dumb to be reasoned with so i'll be ignoring your daft ass.

Gabrielshow24:
You are confused. A nation divided against itself cannot prosper. No nation spreads propaganda that goes against it. Even Nigeria is a simple example how many people have been tracked and jailed who spoke up against the government? You saying Romans invented Jesus to enslave the Jews which later enslaved them to(permit to say) as they were the first empire to declare Christianity has its religion.

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Petalss:
Wawo, just wow.

Dude turned you into an ambulance with his brain dead reasoning 😂

MindHacker9009:
You are the one spewing out nonsense.

These are solid reasons the Roman empire invented Jesus christ:

1. Control over Jewish Messianic Expectations:
Purpose: To pacify Jewish rebellion and control the population by creating a messiah figure that would discourage violent uprisings and advocate for peace and obedience to Roman rule.
Theory: By crafting a messianic figure who promoted “turning the other cheek” and “rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar’s,” the Roman Empire could have sought to quell unrest in Judea, which was a hotspot of anti-Roman rebellion.
Support: Jesus’ teachings emphasize peace, non-violence, and submission to authority, which some theorists argue could have been designed to weaken resistance to Roman power.

2. Roman Elite Propaganda Tool:
Purpose: A tool of propaganda for consolidating power and controlling subject populations, especially the Jews and early Christians.
Theory: Some suggest that Roman elites or rulers (like the Flavian dynasty) invented or shaped the narrative of Jesus to unite the empire under one religion that promoted obedience to the Roman state.
Support: After the Jewish-Roman wars, the empire may have benefited from a unified religious narrative that discouraged insurrection and promoted unity across diverse populations.

3. Fusion of Pagan and Jewish Religious Traditions:
Purpose: To create a hybrid religion that would appeal to both Roman pagans and Jews, thereby unifying the empire religiously.
Theory: By incorporating elements of mystery religions (such as Mithraism) and Jewish monotheism, the figure of Jesus could have been created or reshaped to serve as a bridge between different cultures in the empire.
Support: Jesus’ story shares some parallels with earlier dying-and-rising god motifs found in various mythologies (e.g., Osiris, Dionysus), which could suggest a fusion of traditions.

4. Plausible Denial of Rebellion:
Purpose: To distract from the failed Jewish messiahs and other rebellious figures in history.
Theory: By creating a peaceful messiah figure, the Romans could have aimed to rewrite the history of Jewish rebellion, casting failed messianic leaders as false prophets while promoting the pacifistic Jesus as the true messiah.
Support: Jewish history during the period was filled with messianic claimants who led uprisings (e.g., Bar Kokhba). Jesus’ nonviolent message could have been a deliberate counter-narrative to prevent future revolts.

5. Influence of Roman Emperors and Flavian Dynasty:
Purpose: To support the deification of Roman emperors and align Christian beliefs with the emperor’s authority.
Theory: Some conspiracy theorists (e.g., Joseph Atwill’s Caesar’s Messiah) suggest that the Flavian emperors (particularly Vespasian and Titus) created Christianity as a means of controlling Jewish subjects and ensuring loyalty to Rome by creating a godlike figure (Jesus) that mirrored Roman emperor worship.
Support: According to Atwill and similar theorists, the Gospels were constructed by Roman authors who were commissioned by the Flavians. Allegedly, parallels between the Gospels and Roman imperial propaganda are seen as evidence of this.

6. Manipulation of Early Christian Texts:
Purpose: To ensure that the foundational Christian texts would align with Roman ideals and governance.
Theory: Roman authorities or influential leaders (possibly through Constantine’s later role in shaping the Christian canon) could have modified or guided the formation of the New Testament to align with Roman values, inserting themes of obedience and loyalty to the state.
Support: The Gospel accounts that advocate respect for secular authority and separation of religion from politics (e.g., “Render unto Caesar…”) could have been shaped to benefit Roman rule.

7. Mythological Foundation for the Roman State Religion:
Purpose: To create a unifying state religion centered on a savior figure.
Theory: In the process of transitioning from paganism to Christianity, the Roman Empire may have shaped the figure of Jesus as a necessary central figure to promote a new state religion that could unify the empire.
Support: By the time of Emperor Constantine in the 4th century, Christianity had become a state religion. Some theorists believe this was a calculated political move to consolidate power and legitimize the empire through a divine figure.

8. Censorship and Control of Historical Records:
Purpose: To control the historical narrative and suppress alternative accounts of Jewish history and resistance.
Theory: Roman authorities may have destroyed or suppressed texts that presented alternative messianic movements or portrayed Jesus as a different figure, leaving only the Roman-approved version of Christianity to survive.
Support: The lack of historical sources outside the Gospels that mention Jesus (particularly during his lifetime) is often cited by conspiracy theorists to suggest that his narrative was manufactured or heavily controlled.

9. Incorporation of Hellenistic and Roman Cultural Ideals:
Purpose: To blend Jewish theology with Hellenistic (Greek) and Roman cultural ideals, making Christianity more acceptable across the empire.
Theory: The life and teachings of Jesus could have been shaped to reflect broader Hellenistic values such as Stoicism, virtue, and moral integrity, combined with Roman ideals of loyalty to the state.
Support: Some scholars point to similarities between Jesus’ teachings and the philosophies of Hellenistic moral traditions, suggesting a possible Roman influence in shaping the figure of Christ.

10. Centralization of Religious Authority in Rome:
Purpose: To establish Rome as the religious center of a unified empire through Christianity.
Theory: The creation of a religion centered on Jesus, with Rome as its spiritual capital, may have been a calculated move to consolidate religious and political power under Roman authority.
Support: With the eventual rise of the papacy and the establishment of the Vatican, Rome became the heart of Christianity, which some believe was part of a long-term Roman strategy.

The concept of the Original Torah is to complex for you and is beyond your current level of understanding, which is why you cannot grasp the idea right now.
The version of the Torah found in the Old Testament is not represent the original Torah used in the First Temple period for several reasons, including the likelihood of later editing, the evolution of religious beliefs, the influence of the Babylonian exile, and the absence of a fully written or standardized text during the First Temple. The Torah, as presented in the Old Testament, reflects theological, legal, and narrative developments that occurred after the destruction of the First Temple, suggesting that the First Temple Torah may have been simpler, more diverse, and different in content and structure.

Already told you. You can argue all you want, what's consensus fact is fact no matter what you write, except you want to write a thesis for peer review to change the current consensus of biblical scholarship, but i seriously doubt that, seeing as you can't even write your own comments without shamelessly ripping off and copy pasting chatgpt. It's akin to telling a flat earther the earth is spherical, no point(pun intended😅).

Odingo1:
There no hypocrisy here, why do Christians call the laws that god gave to Moses the law of Moses instead of law of god

...do the views of fundamentalist Christians who are the majority, and hold the view the bible is inerrant and the word of god fall under this your fallacy of false attribution and assumption?

Odingo1:
Christians did not say that Bible is a direct word of God but are saying that Bible contains word of God or words from people that is inspired by God but Muslims claim that Koran is entirely words from God.

Christians can easily deny any error or strange practices in the Bible because it is not given by god directly while on Muslim side, it is not possible to deny any part of Koran since it is directly from God.

So Muslims find it difficult to explain child marriages, capturing women for sex slaves and keeping slaves, Sun and Moon moving in Orbit, incest sisterly marriages that is found in Koran which is acclaimed word of god.

How convenient. Where do the views of fundamentalist Christians who are the majority, and hold the view the bible is inerrant and the word of god fall under this your fallacy of false attribution and assumption? Denying what's in your bible when it shows god speaking directly while attacking the views of others for the same is stinking hypocrisy. Whatever you don't like, you try to deny, absolute stinking hypocrisy. I first said i wasn't sure if it was ignorance or hypocrisy, now I'm sure.