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AbuTwins:
According to modern research and scholarship, there is a consensus that the Gospels are not considered pseudepigraphical. Pseudepigraphy refers to the practice of falsely attributing a work to a specific author. In the case of the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John), while the exact authors are not definitively known, they are traditionally attributed to these names.

Scholars generally believe that the Gospels were not intended to deceive readers about their authorship. Instead, they are seen as works that were compiled by early Christian communities based on oral traditions, eyewitness accounts, and other sources. The Gospels were likely written anonymously, with the traditional attributions to specific disciples (such as Matthew and John) being added later for identification purposes.

While modern scholarship acknowledges that the Gospels underwent editing and redaction over time, they are not typically classified as pseudepigraphical in the same way that other ancient texts are. The focus is more on understanding the historical context, literary styles, theological perspectives, and intended audiences of the Gospel writers rather than questioning their authorship as deliberate forgeries.

Hehe! I too know how to use a gpt for copy pasta. First off where did this modern consensus that they're not pseudepigraphy come from, probably the gpt trying not to be offensive. There are lots of books in the new testament where authorship is claimed but the attributed authors certainly didn't write and certainly claimed to be who they're not, if that's not forgery i don't know what is. Normally they'll be called forgeries, but because that's a morally loaded term most academic and historical scholars prefer the term psesudepigrapha.

Yes not all the 27 books are pseudepigrapha, some've got pseudonymous authorship or rather pseudepigraphic which is, they are falsely attributed to the authors and not necessarily the authors claiming that they are so-and-so person, but by some circumstance they were falsely attributegnod to the author, so basically false attribution. The rest are well yeah, they're non-pseudepigraphical or say autonomous. Even 2 thesselonians 2:2 and 3:17 highlights this issue of forgeries and they were welll aware.

Out of the 27 books just 8 have a consensus of being non-psedepigraphical. 7 out of 13 letters attributed to Paul are actually written by him and then a guy named John that wrote revelation, not necessarily John son of Zebedee but a John as it was a common name. Romans, 1st & 2nd Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians 1st Thessalonians and Philemon were written by Paul and the others either probably not or almost certainly not depending on which scholar you ask. So if someone claiming to be Paul wrote something and passed it as Paul, if that isn't Pseudepigraphy i don't know what is.

Sources : Bart Ehrman, Forgeries & Counter forgeries
            Elaine Pagels, The Gnostic Gospels
            John Crossan, Birth of Christianity.

jazzman7711:
There were no writers named ‘Matthew’, ‘Mark’, ‘Luke’ and ‘John’.

Those names were simply attached to ANONYMOUSLY written texts.

So nobody actually knows who wrote the New Testament.

It’s completely anonymous!

The texts materialised from goodness-knows-where roughly 70 years after ‘Jesus’ had supposedly ‘ascended to heaven’.

All this is well known to the church, ie the Vatican etc.

People are just being misled with this christianity of a thing.

How can you be worshiping something and yet you don’t know who wrote the book?

Well done you just discovered pseudepigraphy.

MaxInDHouse:
The flooding continued for 40 days on the earth, and the waters kept increasing and began carrying the ark, and it was floating high above the earth. 17

And the waters continued overwhelming the earth for 150 days. 24

For forty days it rained but it took 150 days for the water subside! Genesis 8:3

Simple logic!
Ordinarily when a place is flooded with a heavy rain for a whole day it often takes more than a week for the flood to subside so that the place could be accessible like before nah!

Can you imagine the planet covered with water for 24x40 hours none stop then someone said it took up to four times the period it rained for the water to dry up and you are confused!

Yes logic. But lets say u are right😁 right?! The interpretation is somehow according to logic that it took 150 days to dry up, 4 times the time it took to rain. 🧐🤔 But then again Gen 7: 11 and Gen 8 14 : 16 basically says it took 1 year and 10 days for the earth to dry up. So pls enlighten me with more mental gymnastics, sorry logic.

FxMasterz:
My dear, it don't actually want to argue regarding these things. But let me just say a few things:

1. In the days of Noah, cultures have not yet developed. The earth was just a few years old.

2. There can be widespread fossil deposits all over the world because at the time, there were just few humans. The world was not yet well populated.

3. Archeologists cannot claim they've not found the so called sedimentary layers of deposits they're looking for except:

a. They've escalated the earth deep enough, almost perforating the globe.

b. They have had several sample floods of over 4,000yrs old that made such sedimentary layers deposits to be able to generalize that such deposits must be found also for Noah's flood.

And please, get my point. When a story is passed down through the ages, it would become a myth somewhere along the line when the story has been so distorted that it now looks unbelievable. This applies to both written and oral narrations. If what's written or heard is considered to be something believable, humans won't call it a myth.

There are myths regarding the flood in a vast many culture around the world. The Bible records exactly what happened with great attention to detail, while the myths from different cultures sound like fables. There's clarity regarding the event in the Bible. We know how many days the rains fell. How long it took the floods to dry away, and the medium through which it was dried up. We also know where the ark was grounded. These are not mere myths.

The fact that several other cultures recorded the event proves it happened. Science can not provide 100% proof or disproof for an event that took place 4,000 yrs ago in the absence of everyone of us. They can only make deductions and pray their dedications are correct.

😁 Da fuq! Man u really just confirmed ur level with this ur bullet points huh! U really need to educate urself man cause... Anyways no plenty talk, it's still simple really, can u provide proof of any of ur claims so far with sources?? No & Never! End of story. If science can't provide 100% proof, please by all means provide ur 100% proof to make and establish ur claim as fact. 😁

MaxInDHouse:
You see your problem?

Different books from different races told stories and after considering it all i agreed with one as the real truth of the matter so it has now become my story shey?

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You said the inspired writers never contradict themselves. I said tor. How many days did the rains falll for, you come dey talk plenty to perform tangential mental gymnastics.

Ok . pls explain this differing lengths of the rainfall in Gen 7: 17 and Gen 7 : 24. It didnt even go to a different chapter to contadict itself. lol!

FxMasterz:
Maybe you don't understand what I meant. Every myth started as an oral tradition until it metamorphoses into a myth with varying degrees of distortions. If history is written down, it will never become a myth even in the next 10 million years. That cannot be said of oral history.

If bones have not been found today, who says they won't be found tomorrow? Have archeologists uncovered all there is to be unconvered in the earth?


Noah preceded the Sumerians, so how can he be Sumerian? Or do you think the biblical accounts were compiled at the same time the flood events took place? If the stories have been 'documented' as you claimed before the Tanakh was written, what makes you disbelieve the story? The absence of bones?


What type of evidence do you need for the flood? You want to see ancient waters that flooded the earth? Or you want to see ancient bone fossils that are in the earth? How are you to differentiate a fossil from the flood catastrophe to a non-flood fossil? And I ask you again? How old is archeology? Have they finished exploring the whole world?



All the myths you mentioned prove something happened. It may not be as exactly as they described it, but there's something that happened. And who told you a dragon never existed? You might be long gone before science finds evidence for that. Many things science claimed in the past have been reviewed in the face of new findings. If different cultures say the world was created from chaos, it only shows the thinking of the ancients about the origin of the world. What's the difference between the Big bang theory and the Chaos myth? What the ancients call chaos, science calls it big bang.

When myths are found in different cultures with similar lines of narration, there's one truth to it all even though the accounts may conflict. A flood happened, and different cultures try to narrate it in different ways.

"If for instance you yourself never wrote a book, and you depart this world without anything written about you. Someday, your existent would be regarded as a myth."
I responded with the bones comment to the above, so uve ended up contradicting urself. Written history offers some advantages in terms of preservation and longevity, it is not immune to the influence of myth, interpretation, and cultural bias. See king authur, Beowulf, the fact its written down doesn't stop it from being myth, they blended historical elements with myth, so wth?!

Good so Noah wasnt Sumerian, so what culture was he from? And please show me sources that show his culture was the oldest existing civilization for his own story to come before the sumerians. And please i wonder the oldest writings in the bibl:e can be dated to when as against the sumerian texts?? As for why i disbelieve the story its common sense really, its proven fact and i repeat proven objective fact that a global flood never occured leading to loss of all life. Not the way the sumerians before you said it happened, not the way you said it happened in your bible after adapting their story. If u say it did, please prove it. If you say your story came first before theirs countering all the researches by scholars, please prove it. Objective facts and evidence, not mythology and myth. And trust me i know more about the historical context of the writing of your bible than you do but thats not even relevant.

You seriously did not ask me about what kind of evidence. Are u having a laugh or being purposefully obtuse. How did we find out about any of the examples in my previous comment. Im tired of typing but let me just highlight a few ways to educate you, you could read up on em fully l8r to educate urself better.  Geological Evidence - Sedimentary layers or deposits indicative of a global flood would be found worldwide, suggesting widespread inundation and sedimentation. Paleontological Evidence - Fossil records would show evidence of mass extinction events and rapid burial of organisms across different environments and geographic regions, it would be too numerous to be undiscoverable by now, abi nor be the whole world die😁??Genetic Evidence : Genetic studies of extant species would reveal patterns of population bottlenecks, genetic diversity, and phylogenetic relationships consistent with recent population reductions and subsequent expansions. Just to name a few , you have access to the internet right?!

Yes the myths prove something happened, did it hapoen the way they said it did? obviously no, from their implausible and even contradictory accounts like the noah story. The Aztecs believed the gods blocked out the sun cause they were angry with em and scarificed people to bring bk the sun. Did the gods block the sun cause they were angry?! No..  Did the sun get blocked... Yes. It was just an eclipse. Did they understand that?! No... So they explained it how best they could. Floods happen all the time, one's going on in Brazil right now. Ancient people on average were less travelled and much of the world undiscovered then, so if ur city's flooded its like the whole world's flooded and worst part u dont understand why, so u explain it as best u can. Basically the god's are mad.

If you say Drogon, Rhegal and Bealon the dread  existed, prove it😁. Afterall dinosaurs did'nt hide nau. Its funny you allude to the same science thats disproven your story but thats the beauty of science, its isnt close minded, it works on observable evidence to prove and disprove and when new observable evidence comes up, its open minded enough to accept it, not bendover backwards doing mental gymnastics on dem say, dem say. If i wouldn't just believe everything i read in this 21st century, why should i believe something written, compiled, redacted, edited, copied over 1500 year period with a lot of pseudepigraphy from unknown authors, Kafkaesque translations, different genres filled with contradictions and what we even have today's so removed from the original texts as they're copies of copies of copies of copies. Even when you photocopy something too much, it becomes illegible. Occam's razor man.

22jumpstreet:
Well, I guess you are still a toddler...

When you grow up you will understand..

It's all about time...

I sure do aspire to attain the ancient wisdom of the random nobody on the internet. Hope to be like u when i grow up.

bobestman:
All these flood stories and you are still doubting

Well search for Igbos, Yorubas and even Binis account of the deluge and you will find more. The fact that all have something to say about the deluge shows that it happened. The Igbo survivor was Eri. Their was only one Survivor and together with his family a new world began. The problem is how their ancestors interpreted it to them

What Many of You Don't Know About this World

This world is ruled by some wicked god men. Ea was one of those gods mentioned above. He is Enki and today known as Yahweh. He is not God Almighty but one of his sons. His .brother his Enlil. They are the ones responsible for the flood.
When the world is ripe. Their is usjsuually a ret. The reset is usully by flood or fire. Many will die. Few will excape and a few willl be left to begin a new world. This is the program ofe the gods. In the bible you see it in the time of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah. It happened many time. Search for Ourtruth on this forum and read many if his write ups. He wrote a lot on this issue. It's the god game!

Myth mythology myth. Without proof it'll be nothing more. Floods have been happening everywhere forever. Heck there's even one going on in Brazil right now. They had no sensible explanations and attributed it to something else same as the eclipse. Now we know better. So except u have proof of a global flood occuring, its empty talk.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy if you read books you should know how many days at least you have many stories so pick whatever they told you the point is you can't dispute the fact that all races agreed that there was a global deluge!

Simple question u running mouth like tap😄. You cant even get ur story straight.

MaxInDHouse:
If you're a policeman sent to investigate a case will you just rap it up as lies after hearing different stories from people?
Real investigators continue their job until they get to the root which is the person who can give you all the details.
So if you want to know all the details about the global deluge go and find a copy of the Bible!

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Simple question, simple answer, already babbling. U answering the question or nah? Quite simple really, no unecessary analogies.

MaxInDHouse:
The inspired writers never contradict themselves no Bible book goes against the fact that Noah built an ark and eight souls were saved. It's people who weren't inspired but whose ancestors heard something similar that are contradicting themselves.

You don't say. How long did the rains fall for?

FxMasterz:
How do you want to get historical valid sources for things that happened ever before Writing was invented? Are you kidding me?

We call it myth only because it is delivered through oral tradition. After thousands of years, historical facts delivered through oral traditions would be regarded as myths.

If for instance you yourself never wrote a book, and you depart this world without anything written about you. Someday, your existent would be regarded as a myth.

The fact that many ancient cultures hold this myth in their tradition is evidence that something like that took place. It happened. The striking similarities between the narrations also prove it happened as these stories are not told by people who sat down at the same table to formulate the same myth.

First of, its not called myth because its delivered through "oral traditions". That's oral history. Myths typically refers to traditional stories, narratives, or legends that may incorporate elements of history, symbolism, and cultural beliefs. Besides the bones wouldnt dissapear, itll be there to be found as hard evidence, carbon dating and dental records would identify the Doe.

Secondly it seems the sacarsm of my previous comment flew over or maybe some comprehension issues even after reading the post ergo ill break it downl.  Simple question was Noah Sumerian? Yes or No?! Cause those other flood stories mentioned there came about from the oldest civilization that existed thousands of years before your isrealites. Those stories were documented thousands of years before the compilation of the Tanakh.
So how come your iteration of the story comes first and is the valid one hence my sacarstic comment about Noah's children going back in time.

like i said nothing more than a succesive iteration of the myth from their fellow older mesopotaminan neighbours before them. And it'll always be a myth beacuse there'll never be sources to back it up. Unlike these various flood myths, we have various fact based evidence for things we weren't there for like, the formation of continents, glacial periods and ice age, speration of the continents, explosions of volcanoes and even some from oral history like oral accounts of native American tribe migrations supported by hard evidence. Of course unlike a global catastrophic flood without even a shred of geological or archaeological evidence for something of that magnitude.

And lastly the fact that similar motifs with differing accounts never serves as proof for said motif. Does the fact we have a motifs across different cultures that say the world was created from Chaos mean its true?! The dragon slayer motif across different cultures means dragons exist?! The fact that we have stories from different cultures about the journies to the underworld means it exists and u go and return?! Come on! The ironic thing been even the point of the flood was defeated.

MaxInDHouse:
It's simple all their ancestors told them stories about a global deluge but since there was no proper documentation the only source we have today that has all the details is the Bible inspired by the Creator Himself!

Cool... So we just accept every story we are told as fact and proof like the Nigeria India 99 - 1 story, thats without even getting into the inefficacy of oral history. But then you say "inspired" by the creator. If this story was inspired by the creator, shouldn't it be free from contradictions?

Kobojunkie:
🙄🙄🙄🙄

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FxMasterz:
Here are 10 flood stories from history, myth, and folklore, along with their valid sources. I'm posting just 10 out of numerous available sources.

1. Mesopotamian Flood Myths
- Epic of Gilgamesh: As you have mentioned earlier, this ancient Mesopotamian epic contains a flood story. The flood narrative can be found in Tablet XI of the Epic of Gilgamesh.
- Atrahasis Epic: This Babylonian myth also includes a flood story. The flood narrative can be found in Tablet III of the Atrahasis Epic.

2. Greek Mythology:
- Deucalion and Pyrrha: This flood myth is recounted in Ovid's Metamorphoses, specifically in Book I.
- Hyginus's Fabulae: Hyginus, a Latin author, also includes a version of the flood myth in his work Fabulae, particularly in Fabula 153.

3. Chinese Mythology:
- Classic of Mountains and Seas (Shan Hai Jing): This ancient Chinese text contains the story of the Great Flood. References to the flood myth can be found in various sections of the Classic of Mountains and Seas.
- Chronicles of Huayang: This historical text from ancient China also mentions the Great Flood.

4. Native American Flood Myths:
- Hopi Flood Myth: This myth is part of the oral tradition of the Hopi people. It has been documented in various anthropological and ethnographic studies of Native American cultures.
- Navajo Flood Story: The Navajo people also have a flood story known as the Emergence or Glittering World story, which describes a cataclysmic flood and the survival of humans and animals.

5. Sumerian Mythology:
- Eridu Genesis: This Sumerian myth includes a flood story and can be found in various Sumerian literary texts. The flood narrative is part of the wider Eridu Genesis narrative.

6. Indian Mythology:
- Matsya Purana: The Matsya Purana, one of the eighteen major Puranas in Hinduism, contains a flood story involving the god Vishnu taking the form of a fish to save Manu and various creatures.

7. [b[Egyptian Mythology:[/b]
- The Book of the Heavenly Cow: This ancient Egyptian text contains a flood myth involving the destruction of humanity by the sun god Ra and the subsequent rebirth of the world.

8. Norse Mythology:
- Gylfaginning (Prose Edda): In Norse mythology, there is a story about a great flood called the Fimbulwinter, which is described in the Prose Edda attributed to Snorri Sturluson.

9. Polynesian Mythology:
- Te Punga-o-Nuku (Maori Mythology): Maori mythology includes a flood story known as Te Punga-o-Nuku, where a man named Tāwhaki saves himself and his family from a deluge.

10. Japanese Mythology:
- Kojiki and Nihon Shoki: These ancient Japanese texts contain references to a mythological flood known as the Age of the Gods flood, which plays a significant role in the creation and history of Japan.

These sources provide a diverse range of flood myths from various cultures, showcasing common themes of cataclysmic floods, survival on boats or arks, divine intervention, and the renewal of life after the flood.

So... more iterations of myths like the Noah story. How does myth qualify as objective fact?! I wonder. How does providing more myth prove a certain myth happened. And please get rid of the "history" in ur reply and leave just the folklore and myth cause i certainly see no historical valid sources of "the flood", talkless of scientific or archeological or geographical.

FxMasterz:
The similarities further confirms the truth of the Bible.

There were 3 brothers in their ark. All three would share their stories with their children. The story would spread from each child to several generations. Different versions of the stories would arise with the passage of time since it is being passed down by oral tradition. But the bottom-line of the story will remain true - that there was one a flood that erased the whole world.

While satan has infused the story with lies by telling the human race that a god destroyed the earth with a flood because men made too much noise, the Bible made it clear that God Almighty destroyed the earth with a flood because of sin and wickedness. Satan does not want to discourage anyone from sinning and doing wickedness, so you can expect him to lead people astray and tell them the flood happened because some noise while he also tells some others that there was never a flood.

If the flood story was only found in the Bible without having any extrabiblical counterpart, we might have reasons to question the Biblical narration. This is because, the Bible alone cannot be the only source of information for an event that was witnessed by the whole world.

It is a lack of sound judgement for anyone to disparage the Biblically account just because it is found in other myths. The myths further confirm the Biblical narrative. They do not negate it in anyway.

Ah yes! I like how u literally think out of the box. Its definitely plausible that the brothers would share the stories with their children and their children would go back in time at least 1000+ years to share the story with the oldest civilizations and have them documented before coming back to their time to tell the story. Oh! and passing it down orally. before being finally documented thousands of years later. Totally agree. While at it pls also provide valid sources for this "one flood". I wnt to think out of the box too.🙂

AbuTwins:
Yeah, how is that related ?

Just a junkie with an itch. Pay no heed😁

Kobojunkie:
You enjoy arguing just for the heck of it, don't you? You like to pick an argument where there really ought to exist none at all.

Josephus' mention of James brother of Jesus Christ who was killed does one thing and one thing only. It provides possible evidence for the claim made in Scripture regarding Jesus Christ having a brother called James.

It in no way provides credibility to the claims made by Eusebius regarding James(brother of Jesus), at all.
Do you now see why and how this statement below more aptly describes you and not me?

Like Prop Joe would say, "burdensome *****". I wonder who Eusebius cited in his works and used as a source Maybe a man born way before him around 37Ce, called Flavius or something🤔... Oh its a random guy called Flavius Josephus! Burdensome! 😏 Funny enough u r right... Where's the evidence to even show James existed or even Mary or Joseph or Jesus or Peter or any disciple🙄

Kobojunkie:
You should have asked this from the start.

No evidence ties James, of whom Eusebius supposedly wrote, to the birth blood of Jesus Christ. Dig deep and you figure this out for yourself. The claims made by these men who are today referred to by Christians are their Church Fathers are almost all — over 99%— based on supposition, not fact. These men were of the group referred to as dogs — non-Israelites — by Jesus Christ, and He did warn His followers not to give that which is Holy to them. That many of the very same should then pretend to hold the keys to the very same Kingdom of God ought to raise flags of doubt, rather than cause belief.

lol! You don't say. Couldn't care for the rest of the theological bs about ur Jesus and what not but the bold claim there. Asides for Eusebius, Josephus who lived during the time period way before James' death in 62CE and didnt even write theologically primarily but historically pointed out same thing. James' Jesus' brother. So wth?!🤨

22jumpstreet:
Yes, they incorporated it into their own belief system. They are just myths.

We are expected to read them and learn the spiritual messages in them..

Nothing more nothing less..

I don't see no spiritual messages in them but fair enough. Valid point.

Kobojunkie:
Look who's talking! Read again! While If you fail to grasp the reason behind a post, stop and ask questions!

🤦🏽 And what does James' death in 70CE have to with anything.

NiRfreak:
A low budget Christian is who u are...,u know nothing about the Oracle, judgement ad righteousness of God...
All your rightousness and anointing can never near that of Samson....u better keep shut and stop talking thrash u domt know...beg God for mercy, understanding and humility cos u lack it
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Same Paul and all Early Christians read Old testament..but u are here saying God of old testament is different...what a blasphemy! Same Old testament God that Jesus and Early Christians read about and worship?
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Nigerian Christians are so holier than Old testament Men that God called righteous? Lol
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What a shame and idiocy....

Christains and rising like eba once u question their indoctrinated beliefs. Leave the messenger, deal with the message.

Kobojunkie:
Balderdash! James, the blood brother of Jesus Christ, probably died in Jerusalem before 70 AD.

🤭 Always looking for arguments where they dont exist and then displaying igorance. He's referring to birth of Eusebius, writer of the source of the text. Damn!

fightingdemons:
Think of these

No offense bro, i understand where u coming from as christainity actually assmilated stuffs from other religions but this graphic you posted is basically mashed up garbage, except maybe I'm ignorant and don't understand it. I presume there's a lot of incorrect info depicted as fact from the little i know. First off Nimrod is basically from Judeo-Christain texts and im sure you can't provide refrences to Nimrod explicitly named in any valid mesopotamian texts, not to talk of being linked with the goddess ishtar.

Secondly how is Inanna persian?! She's basically Ishtar and she's sumerian. Over time as religious and cultural influences shifted she became known as Ishtar and there's no valid sources for her connection to the hebrew bible guy Nimrod. So i very much doubt the story here. Very few sources like the 'Damudiz-Inanna' myth depicts Tammuz another deity as her son. Most depict him as her consort/Lover like the well known 'Decent of Inanna', when she went underworld to save him. Caveat here been oral traditions obviously differed between similar cultures.

So the story doesn't jive, no reputable and valid sources to back the Dec 25th birth of Tammuz either. Non from mesopotamian texts. Also Baal being Roman... 30BCE, Nah! So i presume rest of the info is wrong as well. Definitely  elements of truth there though about the general central claim.

MyVILLAGEpeople:
Makes sense

Thanks mate.

The story of Noah and the "Great Flood" is basically one of the most iconic yet apocryphal tales in judeo - christianity. We all heard the story growing up, but without even considering the implausibilty and feasibility, we may have overlooked the mythological elements similarly found in ancient near eastern cultures. The paralllels with the mythology of these older cultures and religions basically explains the origins of the apocryphal tale and how the it was passed down overtime to newer cultures and religions and adapted for purpose.

**The Epic of Gilgamesh:**
One of the most notable parallels to the story of Noah is found in the Epic of Gilgamesh, an ancient Mesopotamian poem from around 2100 BCE. In this epic, the character Utnapishtim recounts a tale very similar to Noah's. Like Noah, Utnapishtim is warned by a god (in this case, Ea) about an impending flood. He builds a massive ark to save himself, his family, and representatives of the animal kingdom. After the flood subsides, Utnapishtim sends out birds to search for dry land, much like the dove sent by Noah. The gods in the Epic of Gilgamesh decide to flood the earth due to human overpopulation and noise, while in the biblical narrative, God sends the flood to cleanse the Earth of wickedness.

**The Atrahasis Epic:**
Another Mesopotamian text, the Atrahasis Epic, dating back to around 1700 BCE, also features a flood story. In this tale, the gods create humans to serve them, but the noise of humanity becomes too much to bear. The god Enlil decides to send a flood to destroy humanity, but the god Enki warns the protagonist, Atrahasis, to build an ark to survive the food. This flood is caused by the gods' frustration with the noise and overpopulation of humanity, echoing themes found in both the Epic of Gilgamesh and the story of Noah.

**The Ziusudra Myth:**
In Sumerian mythology, the Ziusudra myth tells of a great flood sent by the gods to destroy humanity. Ziusudra, the Sumerian equivalent of Noah, is instructed by the god Enki to build a boat to escape the flood. After the floodwaters recede, Ziusudra offers sacrifices to the gods and is granted immortality. This story predates both the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Atrahasis Epic, iindicating the enduring presence of flood myths in ancient Near Eastern cultures.

Basially, the story of Noah and the "Great Flood" is just one iteration of a widespread mythological motif that transcends neighouring cultural and religious boundaries, nothing more than myth.The implausibility and contradictions in the story itself further enhance this claim. Like the varying accounts of the length of the period of rain in the flood. How all the species alive(considering biodiversity and geographical and climate challenges) fit into a boat of that size when they're in millions and wouldn't even fit in the largest mordern day cruise ship.

For example was it just 2 bears or 2 Brown bears, 2 black bears, 2 polar bears, 2 sloth bears... lets not even talk about more biodiverse species, some of which have gone extinct. Its not just feasible or plausible. Flood myths have been a part of ancient near eastern cultures and the hebrew tale is nothing more than an iteration and adaptation of the tale from older cultures. A myth and nothing more.

kingxsamz:
Lol, Yahweh's children are always like that.
I answered your question and even raised many points which you ignored because you don't have any proper rebuttal.
You have nothing to say so you cIaim they're unintelligent because you wan use style run/ abandon the argument. 😂

It won't take you anything to acknowledge that your god was being fuuIish when he asked people to stone others to death.
And it's always you sky daddy fans who complain about musIim extremism, but turn around to defend the same nonsense in your Bible.
When you finally dle and meet your fuuIish sky daddy, tell him I said hi. 😀

You got their m.o spot on. The frigging irony when they turn thier noses at muslim extremism, well the bible says remove whats in your eye before picking out someone else's, they clearly don't follow that. Then they claim it was the old testament, so ur god changed from his archaic ways?! Ask em if he changes his mind and watch em babble.

Steep:
you are stupid.

Stupid?! Where's the christ likesness😂. Nah, mistaken identity bro. I'm sure that's what they called ur mother and her mother before her. Good job keeping and surpassing family tradition by been a grade A m0ron though, strong genes i guess. Interesting how u guys always come up with a strawman, go on a needless tangent or come up with extremely moronic analogies even
a retarded kid would know makes no sense.  Anyways lets peel and comb over the layers of your moronic dross.
First off i like how u swerved on a tangent from the main argument when u knew u got nothing to defend it.

Thought u said it was just the amelekites?! Smooth brain! So u haven't even read what u defend mindlessly. And wtf is that analogy?! Government, guns...🤦🏽. Thats ur best, pity. Typical with the strong family genes though.
it's justice?! You don't say... Killing innocent children, women and even animals is jusitce, tearing children out of their pregnant mother's womb is justice, sexually assaulting women by checking if they're virgins after capturing em is nothing but justice, taking people's homes and disrupting their lives is justice. Need i more proof this is a grade A+ slowpoke.

As for ur daft retort about Saul been killed by an amalekite... so ur god really punished him for empathy on King Agag and that's ur comeback, u r having a laugh right?!😄 Satan's definitely nicer then, oh i forgot, its justice. That's not even considering the contradictory mess of a text. 1 sam 31 paints a different contradictory story of Saul commiting suicide with his armor bearer after getting shot by an arrow, then gets decapitated by the philistines. So which account is it from this contradictory divinely inspired dross?!

Fot ur last daft point. Where men created having discharge?! Nope, means that man is ill but a woman who was designed that way by the same "god" in a natural process in the life cycle created by the same "god" to then be labelled unclean... oh! and ur storm god  YHVH somehow then changes his mind about those rules too, What a joke.

Totally excluding people from certain positions is not the same as creating a category for them in certain positions but brain too smooth to recog that. Out of all the examples these were the only ones you could spring up a defence against?! disappointing it was a shallow one. The irony on top of it all is you would have been discriminated against as a black man with a big flat nose😄, lev 21 : 16 -20. That's if u weren't a slave first. Big joke propped up by burdensome jokers.

Cultic rituals?! What's that?! Don't u mean occultic🤔? Retard.

Steep:
It is only the Amalekites that God has ever commanded israel to completely destroy, It was justice against the amalekites.

You don't know what misogyny is. There is no misogyny in the bible.
Cultic rituals? Hahaha you mean occultic?
As an atheist you have no justification for good and evil, hence it is pointless.

When i said the voices with which u guys use to bellow shallow thought processes, are as loud as your ignorance it was'nt an insult, just plain ol fact. Why not educate urself instead of making urself look dense. The same god that said thou shall not kill went on to approve several killing sprees and its littered all over ur texts, but no... its just the amalekites and "they deserved it", what a loving god! 2Sam 5:25, 1Sam 11:11, 1Sam 6:19, Num 25:4, 31:17, Deut 7:2... all these are what?! Baby showers?!

Funny enough that's just a tip of the iceberg cause the killings and genocides are littered all over especially through joshua, judges, kings and samuel, basically military conquest. Saul was even punished for having empathy and sparing a life... Like wtf!!😄 So called god sponsored more killings that the evil satan. Knowing ur vocab is as average as your room temp iq, ill help to educate u  a bit. Misogyny?! Yes! Your holy book is littered with prejudice against women as can be seen from the clear example that's this topic.

Maybe i should rather eduate u with more examples : Lev 12 : 2, 15 : 19 -28, Num 5:12-31, Deut 25:5-10, 1TI 2:12, 1CO 14:34-35, Deut 24:1-4, Deut 22:13-21, Num 31:18. If those are not prejudice against women ild sure like to hear your myopic thoughts on what misogyny is. And as for cultic rituals?! yes, cultic rituals not occultic. Short iq, short vocab. There's lots of em as well, like the pact sealing ("convenant" similar to other Anciear near eastern cultural pacts between a suzerain and the vassal, like god and abraham or god and isreal. Or all the bountiful cleansing purity rituals. Man... go educate urself abeg. Loudly spouting dross, everyone that doesn't partake in ur dross is labelled "atheist" 🥱

kingxsamz:
Don't mind that one that only opens his bible on Sundays when his pastor instructs him. That's if he even attends church regularly.

Do they read?! Most of them don't even know what's in their bibles talkless of the various contexts surrounding it, but would defend it with voices as loud as their ignorance. Its typical, thats why they cant even agree on its interpretation ergo u see em arguing amongst themselves about whose denominational interpretation is "correct"

kingxsamz:
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Also, take not of the highlighted.

In addition :

Exodus 21:2-6
Deuteronomy 15:12-18
Titus 2:9-10
1 Timothy 6:1-2
Colossians 3:22
Ephesians 6:5
1 peter 2 : 18 - 20

Not to talk of the killings, genocide, infanticide, misogyny, discrimination, prejudice and cultic rituals.

Funny how all these miracles disappeared as means of collecting evidence appeared. Myth.