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SANDF soldiers on a FIBUA (Fighting In Built Up Areas) training course, in a disused mine...

kikuyu1:
Over a decade ago! They afford such platforms and systems thanks to their def budget/GDP ratio which increased rapidly in the early 90s during the civil war and hasn't decreased.

The Algerian war against the Salafists - I dont call it a civil war cos it gives the recidivists more clout than they deserve - was the wakeup call. Algeria had no choice but to rebuild.

The genius in their effort is that they defined their threats more broadly than the war they were fighting. They looked at geopolitics and defined their future needs and funded that appropriately. Libya happened and that put more wind in their sails.

Now that they've checked EU/NATO adventurism -not to win, but to exact too high a price - their defence expenditure is actually decreasing from the long-term unsustainable ratio to GDP.
Going forward, the trick will be maintaining all that materiel whilst getting buy-in from the taxpayer, who is after all the paymaster.

I suspect they'll be more successful at this than the Egyptians, which is why I ignore the fan-girl nonsense on this thread and rate them higher than the poor Egyptians who rely on sugar daddies, and have no domestic economy worth mentioning.

lionel4power:
Personally, I feel this is a welcome change to the usual Ak-47 and Hilux special forces pictures always posted here. (No offence intended)

Many of us have been so engrossed in our various small wars and COIN operations that we've forgotten how conventional armies are equipped.

Yep. Re the bolded, some people here were so getting a boner on small team tactics, they well calling battalion+ exercises outdated.
Algeria regularly holds division-sized exercises and the wankers are rightly shtum.

Meanwhile here in SA, we rightly complain that we haven't had exercises bigger than a brigade for years.

To be fair though, what in Nigeria and elsewhere constitutes a battalion (500-600 pax) isn't the same in SA and elsewhere (1000-1200 pax). So before even talking about how they're equipped, the conceptual effect of exercises for battalion, brigade, division is malleable and not the same.

So looking at numbers alone, a Lt Col commanding 500+ men in a typical NA battalion, is doing the same job as a major in a SA battalion. This is not a diss, but a simple comparison by numbers, of the structures chosen by the 2 countries.
To illustrate, a French major is the most senior NCO rank, and commands the same number of pax as the officer Lt Col in the NA battalion; and officer major in the SA battalion.

That non-commissioned French major has more equipment and assets at his disposal than both NA & SA Army officers at the equivalent personnel numbers.

Am I making sense?

QuietMynd:
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Most of ur post do show cowardice, man up

Sizzorkay:
lol this guy don send my people into shock , no one fit post pics of our Alpha jets and pick-up trucks

I'm of a mind to just post any old SANDF stuff, just to goad the usual detractors and high-esteem people into action.

@kikuyu1, remember some time back when some puffed-up Lilliputians were deriding battalion+ exercises, calling them outdated? I'm looking at the division-sized Algerian exercises and laughing cos the imbeciles have wisely shut up.

Whyem15:
Yeah, but just 20 units of the Reutech. If deployed to the supercamp, it will really help.

Could you please help with a link or material as to how this system works.

Dude, any reason you can't just google it?

https://www.reutechradar.com/

kikuyu2:
I didn't know the 40 mm GLs were in service. Or is it just the spec ops and spec ops capable? Is that a milkor?

I was just about to ask if that GL is a Saffa.

From the pictures thread, a discussion back in April, re ground radar.

kikuyu1:
Idk how I overlooked torpedo cost. I rmbr nemesis saying indig built torps were going for 2.5 mn $ each. You'll want a full unit of at least 8 for your mini and another 2 units backup on shore storage; iow 60 mn $ per minisub.
Their shelf life ISN'T unlimited so ideally your shoot them all out in max 10 yrs and rotate in fresh ordnance. I rmbr someone saying with TYPICAL complete confidence of NL if Saffas have subs the NN can also acquire them but look at Finland.


[url][/https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/why-was-finland-forbidden-from-having-submarines.html]



Yes, guys! Finland, the 14th richest nation with a GDP per capita of 54330$ just behind Holland finds the cost NOT worth it. As I said the associated costs of sub ops are the REAL KILLER!

If we had not been operating subs since 1970 -the high cost of properly setting up a sub service from scratch, would have precluded us just like Finland.

Finland is a damn good example actually, their defence budget is equal to SA's, but their orbat is better.
The guys at African Defence Review wrote an interesting SA & Finland article:

https://www.africandefence.net/south-africas-comparative-military-disadvantage/

Even though I never expected them to win this, still sad.
Knowing Paramount, they pick themselves up.

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/aerospace/aerospace-aerospace/bronco-ii-ac-208-out-of-socom-armed-overwatch-competition/

kikuyu2:
Good clearance;another excellent Saffa MRAP which leads me to a logical question: how many MRAP makers exactly are there? I can name OTT,Paramount,DCD,Denel and Milkor and there should be at another 10 building off prevous success of predecessors. At what point does market saturation come into play?

Very good question re "MRAP" manufacturers. We have over 120 defence companies with 85% export revenue.
Saturation would only apply for the domestic market, no?

Large market outside SA; notwithstanding Denel's current problems. For instance, 2020 saw over $1 billion worth of trade for an industry beset with problems from the largest company, Denel.

Following the suspension of diplomatic relations, Algeria has just announced the closure of its airspace to all Moroccan aviation - civil and military.

About time those puffed-up Lilliputians in Morocco were put in their place.

Following the suspension of diplomatic relations, Algeria has just announced the closure of its airspace to all Moroccan aviation - civil and military.

About time those puffed-up Lilliputians in Morocco were put in their place.

horlams:
This irritates me too, just Nigeria alone has hundreds of tribes that are not similar in any way

5 people within 1 family will have different views on any given subject. Imagine then arrogating to oneself the presumption to ascribe a singular view amongst almost 1 billion people.

kabe1:
Nigerian Navy Ship NNS Unity docked and ready for maintenance.

NNS Centenary recently completed maintenance, and is back out on patrol.

That's why buying 3 of same is always advisable: 1 on patrol, 1 in maintenance and 1 for training/reserve.

kabe1:
Nigerian made 45 meters Seaward Defence Boat 3.


SDB 3 has now had her gun installed. A 30mm RWCS main gun, the vessels main weapon system is perfect for suppression, taking out hardened structures and boats used by pirates.

Launch date has now been pushed to ending of October or early November.

I hope they aim for a 60m+ vessel, after this.

Can people please stop speaking for all 55 African countries?

"The Combatmate multi-purpose combat vehicle, developed by the Polish WB Group in cooperation with the South African company Bruisertech, had its premiere at the XXIX International Defense Industry Exhibition (MSPO) in Kielce, Poland.

The vehicle is based on the armored, mine-resistant Bruiser 212 and will be offered in a reconnaissance version for uniformed services and as a carrier for unmanned systems.

According to the WB Group, it is a modular platform, cost-effective, easily adaptable to the user's needs, equipped with solutions of the Polish group. The presented vehicle was integrated with the FONET vehicle communication system, the TOPAZ battlefield management system and the COMP @ N and PERAD radio communication systems.

The variant of the car presented in Kielce is also equipped with a stabilized, remotely controlled Arex ZSU-03 weapon station, equipped with a 12.7 mm large-caliber M2HB machine gun, four smoke grenade launchers and reusable Warmate-TL (Tube Launch) loitering ammunition launchers..."

Google translated from the Polish defence site milmag.pl

Lurker4Long:
There you go: 2020 purchasing power index. Economic terms have precise meanings.

@marvin906, just saw that the 2021 figures are now available.

marvin906:
Aside the US which other country has the spending power of china

There you go: 2020 purchasing power index. Economic terms have precise meanings.

marvin906:
Can someone please explain this for me.. China is the second biggest economy in the world or second richest which ever way you want to put it..
As rich as China they have just 12 nuclear subs but a country that isn't as rich as Japan is getting 60 nuclear subs..
Am confused is either Australia is bitting more than it can chew or China just doesn't want alot of nuclear subs in its inventory ..

2nd biggest is not 2nd richest.

kikuyu2:
Bleep

Off-topic, did you watch the Vancouver Sevens final this morning? Has there ever been an all Africa final?
You guys are fast becoming like the French: depending which side shows up, you can either beat everyone or lose to Georgia.
When I said this to my Kenyan colleague, he responded, "My blood pressure says screw the flair, I want boring, predictable consistency."

Odunayaw:
I will commend Australia for making sure their interest come first. France can patronize me for handkerchiefs

The problem is that it was the Australians who said no nuclear, but please put an AIP diesel engine on them.
But yes, the duplicitous French get a taste of their own medicine.

Nemesis4you:
@Lurker4Long

SA got reccon satellite from Russia

Interesting given that a pvt SA company supplied a observation satellite to Pa..... which they claim to be indigenous , i even saw the internal memos detailing the 12 or 16 i forget exact no of Pa... who were deputed to SA company for observation & familiarisation

Don't get me started on the Russian sat that Military Intelligence procured in a very murky deal. And they're not even sharing images with the civilian spy agency!

As for your Lilliputians, not quite sure what they bought. I know our companies export lots of components, but the biggest complete systems being produced are CubeSats.

Nemesis4you:
Former lol , if it was latter why the hell would i even ask permission lol

And lol it is not a must , if it strikes ur fancy than do so

Nemesis4you:
Lurker4Long

Post on SA developed EW systems if you want

I don't understand: must I post or you offering to post, for my interest?
If the latter, yes sure.