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shadowprimezero:
First time seeing the SANDF with an AK...... First time seeing an AK with an M-203 grenade launcher. Also, I wonder why none of the guns have optics, most of the R-4's I've seen in SOF hands all have them.

According to some knowledgeable people on a Facebook defence group to which I belong, the AKM plays better with the M-203 than the R5.

NTSA:
I just have one problem with this design..the ground clearance.

I agree. They're essentially urban vehicles. They didn't work on the atrocious DRC "roads" and SF ended up using Mamba APCs.

Odunayaw:
My bro didn't antagonize SA and speaks well of the battle of Bangui?

TGIF!

I thought my eyes were deceiving me!

@nemesis4you

Re pic 1 below: this Mozambique deployment has seen them not towing, but mounting the gun on the back of a reinforced Land Cruiser. CSIR, ours not yours, modified the Criuser.

Lurker4Long:
Hornet RDRV. Modular design that allows Personnel carrier, MRLS carrier, Mortar carrier, ATGM carrier and C2 carrier. Loads of pics on the thread.

Edit: can also attach ladders for assaulting buildings for hostage rescue etc. Main gun ranges from 50cal to 20mm cannon.
Oh, can also be dropped by parachute.

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Nemesis4you:
Whats the name of these vehicles ?

Better pic of them available

Hornet RDRV. Modular design that allows Personnel carrier, MRLS carrier, Mortar carrier, ATGM carrier and C2 carrier. Loads of pics on the thread.

Edit: can also attach ladders for assaulting buildings for hostage rescue etc. Main gun ranges from 50cal to 20mm cannon.
Oh, can also be dropped by parachute.

kabe1:
SANDF Special Forces in Mozambique

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Lurker4Long:
A Tanzanian Air Force Shaanxi Y-8 in Pemba, Mozambique as Tanzania begins its deployment.

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kabe1:
South African Special Forces in Mozambique

More pics...

...last.

The remains of the BDF corporal, killed in road accident in Mozambique, arriving in Botswana...

...last.

The remains of the BDF corporal, killed in road accident in Mozambique, arriving in Botswana...

Tribal nonsense, legal nonsense, all sorts of nonsense: Fela has it covered!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUwfdTJVutk

Odunayaw:
I'm really impressed with how member countries are pulling their own weight. ECOWAS states should learn a thing or two

4 different commands in 1 theatre of operations is going to be a problem down the line. SADC, Rwanda, Mozambique military, and Moz police paramilitary.

Yes, Moz military and Moz police are rivals.
As an example:
1) the insurgents assassinatated the National Director of Reconnaissance of the Police Rapid Intervention Unit and took the town of Quissanga; the Moz military used this to argue they should have operational control.

2) with responsibility now shifted to the military, they promptly brought in the Russian PMC, Wagner. An opaque decision, Wagner were brutally and comprehensively defeated by the insurgents, and the port city of Mocimboa da Praca fell to the insurgents. The paramilitary police used this to argue the military were out of their depth.

3) with the police RIU back in ops command, they brought in the SA/Zimbabwean PMC Dyck Advisory Group(DAG), who, unlike Wagner, at least had experience in working in Cabo Delgado. DAG had some success in pushing back the insurgency, but with the Moz military and police not collaborating but competing, they were on a hiding to nothing. The end result? The fall of the port city of Palma - the logistics hub of the gas industry concerns of French, Italian, South African, US, Chinese, UK, Portuguese commercial interests in that order.

The fall of Palma was the proverbial straw, and SADC had had enough. The elite in Maputo could no longer prevaricate and claim to have the situation at hand.

Faced with a SADC mission they did not want - SADC has demanded a political, social and economic solution which addresses the legitimate grievances of the people in Cabo Delgado province, the kleptocracy in Maputo thought they could stall through a quick military win by inviting Rwanda.

Too many people in Pres Felipe Nyusi's circle are making too much money from smuggling out rubies, heroin from Pakistan through the ports in Cabo Delgado. The insurgents are doing exactly the same to finance their war.

CC: @kikuyu1, @nemesis4you

PIC: areas in gray represent insurgent control as at June 2021

dragon2:
However,the deployments are from both East and Southern Africa.

Tanzania is both a member of SADC and the EAC. They're there as part of SADC.
If you're referring to Rwanda, they're there separately, in terms of a bilateral agreement with Mozambique.
There's a simple reason Mozambique didn't want SADC and had to be forced, and decided to invite Rwanda.

A Tanzanian Air Force Shaanxi Y-8 in Pemba, Mozambique as Tanzania begins its deployment.

Lurker4Long:
- road: 2600km to Pemba on regular supply runs is not feasible.

Of course, if Mozambique had maintained their rail network, SA, Zim and Botswana logistics would be a cinch.

And my fears re logistics/sustainment by road are realised. RIP to the soldier.

kabe1:
Rwandan soldiers and police patrol areas in Cabo Delgado province, Mozambique

I'd love to know what aircraft the Rwandans chartered to fly that Ratel to Moz. Been monitoring Flightradar for Kigali-Pemba flights and haven't seen anything big enough to take Ratels.

kabe1:
Bro, when I post comments here, always have it at the back of your mind that I have proof to support my post.

Yes, like the "soldier being robbed" fake story you gleefully posted here.

Anyway, with this I happily take back my skeptical comment. A mate at CSIR confirms it's one of their projects for SF. Apparently they've reinforced the suspension to handle the recoil.

kabe1:
SANDF technical armed with a ZSU-23-2 gun heading to Mozambique

Err...no. Try again.
For reference, the only ZSU-23-2 guns in SANDF service are used thus:

kabe1:
I think the South-African deployment is rather light, especially taking into account ratio to population and size of the SANDF.

If Cabo Delgado is vast, then there is a requirement for Fighter jets. Helicopters fill in a niche role, but if you taken into account some of the experiences in Nigeria you'll see that a fast jet is an important asset to have.

Is SADC not planning to carry out Air Interdiction in Mozambique?

SADC lift capacity may not be enough, but I think it is adequate for this early stage of operations. Besides where would additional lift capacity come from?

1) We're sending 1500 pax, which is a reinforced battalion battle group with Mambas, Casspirs, a heavy weapons company, 2 Rooivalk, 3 Oryx, and possibly a troop of Rooikats. Define light;

2) M23, a far more formidable, experienced and professional outfit, was decimated in the vast jungles and hills of the DRC east without fighter jets;

3) SA, Zim, Angola have all developed doctrine on how to successfully prosecute these kinds of bush wars;

4) Plenty IL-76s and Antonov's available for charter, which could be funded jointly, as the SADC Standby Brigade's plans envisaged. Referring to SA specifically, we're lucky to be able to use air, road and sea, but we've bound to run into problems with the first 2:
- air: our c130s already fly to the DRC twice a week;
- road: 2600km to Pemba on regular supply runs is not feasible.

Far more efficient and cost effective is the sea route from the SA ports of Durban/ Richards Bay to Pemba. Alas, this option is currently under-utilised at the moment.

Of course, if Mozambique had maintained their rail network, SA, Zim and Botswana logistics would be a cinch.

kabe1:
There are some very wild reports suggesting Nigerian Air Force is getting 6 x units of T-129 Attack Helicopter.

This one flares up at regular intervals; certainly as long as I've been lurking here.

kabe1:
This is not bad. Proper deployment by participating countries.

I really like Botswana's deployment. Troops look very professional, vehicles standardised, plus the the Piranha V 8x8 IFVs deployed, beautiful!!!


What's happening with the Badger program?

It seems suspended.

When it comes to SADC militaries, Botswana is in a sweet spot when it comes to funding. The small size has allowed them to focus on quality over quantity.
Hell, at the moment they're trying to decide amongst Gripen, KAI FA-50 and the Yanks have also entered the fray with an offer of the F-16. Not a bad place to be.

The Badger? Like all our impending projects, a decade of mismanagement of Denel under Zuma and chums, has put the programme into the back burner. The sad thing is that the SANDF has already paid, and if Denel were a private company, they could've imposed financial penalties for the delays or asked for their money back.

kabe1:
No fighter jets?

This would have been a good opportunity to deploy Gripens.

Based on the Technical Assessment, no need for fighter jets.
My own quibbles are:
1) the number of transport helicopters and UAVs is inadequate. Cabo Delgado province is too vast for the numbers provided;

2) I fear they've underestimated the logistics requirements. 3x C130 (2 SAAF & 1 BDF) and 1 Angolan il-76 may not be enough. As it is, SAS Drakensberg is being readied to ship some equipment and supplies to Pemba port.

SA Navy arriving in Pemba, Mozambique.

https://mg.co.za/news/2021-08-02-south-africa-navys-strike-craft-lands-in-mozambique/

Excerpts from the SADC Technical Assessment report that was done ahead of the Mozambique mission. Had the report weeks ago but didn't want to post it before the mission commenced, for obvious reasons.

Excerpts from the SADC Technical Assessment report that was done ahead of the Mozambique mission. Had the report weeks ago but didn't want to post here before the mission commenced, for obvious reasons.

Xbee007:
"...12 AH-1 Cobra fighter jets and accompanying defence systems to the Nigerian military."

2 reporters wrote this article yet none of them realised AH-1 Cobra is an attack helo not a fighter jet, smh.

To Nigerian journalists every military aircraft is a fighter jet.

Reminds me of this: