₦airaland Forum

Application of mobile firepower in a bush warfare environment: Denel Casspir APC and Mamba Weapons Carrier of the Ugandan Army in Somalia.

Raaven:
ilyshin 76

Chkil, have you read Macron's nonsensical report?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/01/macrons-algeria-report-isnt-progress-its-a-whitewash/

jln115:
My Dad is a director at Deloitte so it's not like I'm biased

There was a time I used to tell people I interviewed at McKinsey, was offered a job and turned them down. With the shenanigans there, I now emphasise the turning down.

jln115:
One of the worse decisions the SANDF has ever made......not as bad as Deloitte's army restructure plan!!

When one thinks about it, most of the other bad decisions can be traced back to that Deloitte plan. But to be fair to Deloitte (some of my good friends are in management consulting ), they were working to parameters set by the powers that be.

Raaven:
ilyshin 76

Our vaccines were transported by an Emirates cargo plane. We really should not have cancelled the A400M deal.

Lurker4Long:
Interesting.
Calls made so far by US President-elect Biden to world leaders:

1) Nov 09 - Canada, Mexico
2) Nov 10 - France, Germany, Ireland, United Kingdom
3) Nov 11 - Australia, Japan, South Korea
4) Nov 12 - The Vatican
5) Nov 13 - Italy
6) Nov 17 - Chile, India, Israel, South Africa

Just as interesting, calls made by new US Secretary of State Antony Blinken to his counterparts in his first week on the job:

1) Jan 26 - Canada, Mexico, Japan, South Korea
2) Jan 27 - France, Germany, UK, NATO Secretary-General, Australia, Philippines, Thailand, Israel
3) Jan 28 - Iraq, Afghanistan, EU Commissioner for Foreign Affairs & Security Policy, Italy, Jordan, South Africa
4) Jan 29 - India, Pakistan, AU Commission Chairperson, New Zealand, Sweden, Colombia

Lurker4Long:
Interesting.
Calls made so far by US President-elect Biden to world leaders:

1) Nov 09 - Canada, Mexico
2) Nov 10 - France, Germany, Ireland, United Kingdom
3) Nov 11 - Australia, Japan, South Korea
4) Nov 12 - The Vatican
5) Nov 13 - Italy
6) Nov 17 - Chile, India, Israel, South Africa

Just as interesting, calls made by new Secretary of State Antony Blinken to his counterparts in his first week on the job:

1) Jan 26 - Canada, Mexico, Japan, South Korea
2) Jan 27 - France, Germany, UK, NATO Secretary-General, Australia, Philippines, Thailand, Israel
3) Jan 28 - Iraq, Afghanistan, EU Commissioner for Foreign Affairs & Security Policy, Italy, Jordan, South Africa
4) Jan 29 - India, Pakistan, AU Commission Chairperson, New Zealand, Sweden, Colombia

jln115:
that deal had more to do with corruption than being unreliable

True. The missile deal with Egypt is the one that hurts. Again, blame is due to corruption by the previous management. If they hadn't thieved, Denel would not have needed to approach government for a financial guarantee for the deal.
Govt also inconsistent: SAA gets a guarantee but Denel is told no.

LTGEN:
As a Nigerian I am happy for S' Africa this is kind of deal that is defining for them , it for a NATO , that means 28 Countries are watching whether
they live up to their side of the bargain,
They have to succeed , they cannot have another debacle like they had with CHAD who walked away from S'Africa and regarded them as unreliable.
It will not work in this case , the glossy pictures are fine , now comes the hard part
Deliver on time , shut the critics up and write your name in GOLD
Don't deliver on time , come up with excuses and then it will be another self - fulfilling prophecy.
Good luck.

Some valid points. You do know of course, this is not our first arms deal with NATO?
And that there are almost 200 defence companies in SA who continue to deliver despite Denel's shenanigans? And that the corrupt management at Denel has been turfed out?

And yes Denel is the biggest and when they stuff up, it affects the industry's reputation.

I can just imagine the exercise briefing:

"The next scenario calls for the rescue of a downed, immobile pilot. Intelligence indicates the presence of structures and other obstacles."

Progress in Rheinmetall Denel Munitions' 10-year €500 million ammo deal with Netherlands

RECAP:
--->Contract signed on 30 July 2020

--->Annual call-offs up to Euro 50 million, meaning €500 million if client orders maximum amount every year for the lifetime of the deal

--->Agreement encompasses the supply of 35mm medium-calibre ammunition for IFVs, 40mm ROSY smoke/obscurant cartridges, and a family of state-of-the-art 155mm artillery ammunition

NOW:
First call-off for €25 million worth of artillery ammo

"A NATO customer has awarded Rheinmetall an order for modern artillery ammunition. The Group’s South African subsidiary, Rheinmetall Denel Munition (Pty) Ltd., will supply several thousand conventional and extended-range artillery shells of the Assegai family (Base Bleed and V-LAP) as well as M92 Assegai tactical modular charges. Delivery commenced in December 2020 and is to be complete by May 2021. The order is worth around €25 million. The South African company Rheinmetall Denel Munition (Pty) Ltd is a cutting-edge maker of ammunition and explosive products, supplying military and civil users in numerous countries around the globe. Rheinmetall Denel Munition is a joint venture co-owned by Rheinmetall (51%) and Denel SOC Ltd of South Africa (49%).

“Thanks to our current product portfolio and new products in the development pipeline, we want to offer customers the full range of possibilities for indirect fire support and maintain our lead in artillery ammunition technology. This applies especially to our new developments in artillery projectiles, which we aim to meet our goal of attaining ranges of over 155 kilometres with. In addition, Rheinmetall Denel Munition is eager to support the troops with our new uni-modular charges, which achieve better performance and simplify the logistics, especially in gun systems with automatic loading,” says Jan-Patrick Helmsen, Rheinmetall Denel Munition’s CEO."

https://militaryleak.com/2021/01/26/rheinmetall-denel-munition-awarded-25-million-contract-to-nato-customer/

Geronimoe:
Helped them during apartheid yen, yen, yen, yen, is that all we've got to say to SA? Can we let that rest please! If Nigeria is a serious country would we be discussing about this now. Goodluck Jonathan's govt messed up big time, there's no way any body can explain this away. I'm very sure part of that money was to be stolen(inflated contract), if not all. Make una no blame SA govt abeg, they have rules and if they decided not to break those rules for our own sake, why blame them. I'm very sure if the tables were turned today, govt officials, military, customs will be ready to play balls cos that one na our way. Crude oil is being lifted illegally by both European and Asian registered vessels in Nigeria and sold in international markets and you think Nigerian officials are not conniving? Abegi!

When the Customs officials asked for the name of the company selling them the arms, they couldn't name it. Draw your own conclusions.

dragon2:
I maybe wrong but my take at the time was that deal was cash based because of EO (Executive Outcomes). The ANC government want nothing to do with them,but Jonathan was using them. If he (Pres. Jonathan) had gone G to G with the ANC govt for weapons to be used by EO. It won't have happened.The ANC fear EO,as the only force capable of bringing about a successful coup in SA.

Lay off whatever you're taking.

kenpaul0:
No...But we all are aware of the circumstances that lead to that. As a fellow African Country that supported them through the struggle against apartheid things could have been handled better. They did not have to allow things go South as they did

Nothing, absolutely nothing, stopped Nigeria from buying arms from South Africa legally. It is illegal under our law to bring bags of undeclared cash. Nigeria bought arms from SA before, and knows the proper process.

The only embarrassment is to the very senior people in your govt who were exposed for this attempted caper. It's your taxes and if you choose not to hold them accountable, no concern of mine.

But you can't go around regurgitating their exculpatory excuses and expect no response.

kenpaul0:
With the way the SA Government embarassed Nigeria during the arms saga i would be wary buying anything from them seriously

As a Nigerian and presumably a tax-payer are you happy that:
1) Bags of money are stuffed into a plane and flown away;
2) Customs officials in SA question all involved and detain plane and confiscate funds;
3) Detained persons claim to be on Nigerian govt business but some of them hold Israeli passports, can't produce any proof of any meetings with any arms company;
4) Nigerian officials confirm that the whole thing is highly irregular?

Does none of that bother you? Is it your contention that SA should have broken its own laws to spare the egos of some?

kabe1:
The Kenyan army announced that it will purchase 118 HIZIR armored personnel carriers from Katmerciler.

East Africa is proving to be a boon for Katmerciler. First Uganda and now Kenya.
I feel bad for the guys at OTT: their proposal won the technical evaluation, but lost on the financing of the deal. Between the SA government and the private banks, they really need to wake up and realise structuring finance deals for the defence industry is an imperative.

Uganda buys Hizir APC in a deal worth $20 million.

In a show of might, UPDF tanks have driven through the famous opposition stronghold down town Kampala. The tanks belong to the land forces commanded by Elwelu.

Uganda is now some 45 hours away from its presidential and parliamentary poll pic.twitter.com/MBlSfKCF4X

— Mujuni Raymond (@qataharraymond) January 12, 2021

kikuyu1:
...

Because you're a fellow believer in 7.62. Check out what our cops did with R1 barrels.

bidexiii:
NASA for you......

We dey help una struggling arms industry, naa problem to help person noe !
Dude don't make me regret posting the pictures

For a struggling arms industry, we export quite widely.

kabe1:
We got tired of your whining and crying on Nairaland, so we bought some.

And the millions worth of bombs, mortars and other ammunition?

bidexiii:
@kabe
Can you guys help ID this sniper riffle.

Is that a Truvelo rifle I see? Can't be. Kabe said South Africans only make armoured vehicles. Kabe also said Nigeria won't buy from SA.

kabe1:
It's a Truvelo CMS 338 Lapua sniper rifle.

I thought you said you guys don't buy south African?

Xbee007:
There is no sanction stopping us from doing so. I wonder where people get that sanction story from.

That's what I've been saying all along. Sanctions against Russian arms only kick in when you buy something that'll threaten US or her allies.
MI-35 helis are no such threat, which is why Cote d'Ivoire and recently Mali, got theirs. Without even applying for waivers, by the way.

fachfouch:

The Nigerian army fighting ISIS ... pic.twitter.com/B1posdzmTM

— Pieter Van Ostaeyen (@p_vanostaeyen) January 14, 2021

honestly Nigeria have to rebuild and restructure its army this is very bad... this is not how you fight in a war...

Good thing you're not South African. This thread would've been a mess by now.

Stephandesward:
Not all hot pursuit is tactically sound, if you have drones then you track them, at a calculated pace, that you don't run into ambushes or traps, if you dont have eyes in the sky, just beg airforce to do the needful and decide to track them, painfully slowly.

Acquire enough medium transport choppers (mi-17, Puma etc) and you have an air-mobile QRF that you can leapfrog ahead of the fleeing scum and annihilate them.

kabe1:
When someone calls South-Africa now, you'll start crying and wailing.

dragon2:
If the JF-17 is so bad why did the Indians abandon their SU30mkis and Mig29s for Rafales after tasting its (JF17s) abilities in actual combat. .

kabe1:
Armed thieves stealing from a South-African soldier in uniform, in broad day light.

Pretoria, South-Africa

Actually, those are police arresting a soldier who ran from a roadblock.

Exclusive: Inside the secret world of US commandos in Africa

Investigation reveals the scale of operations of America’s elite combat troops in Africa

United States Special Operations forces (SOF) — including Navy SEALs, Army Green Berets and Marine Corps Raiders — are the US military’s most highly trained soldiers, specialising in counterterrorism, counter-insurgency, and “direct action” combat raids, among other missions. Their operations are shrouded in secrecy.

Although US commandos operate on the African continent with the agreement of host governments, ordinary Africans are rarely told about the full extent of US activities — nor offered a say in how and why Americans operate in their countries. Even basic information, like the sweep and scope of deployments by elite US troops and clandestine combat by American commandos on the continent, is mostly unreported across Africa.

But a Mail & Guardian investigation can, for the first time, reveal where US special operators have been active on the African continent — and offer exclusive details about low-profile missions that have been largely kept under wraps.

In 2019, US Special Operations forces were deployed in 22 African countries: Algeria, Botswana, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Chad, Côte D’Ivoire, Djibouti, Egypt, Ethiopia, Ghana, Kenya, Libya, Madagascar, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, Somalia, Tanzania and Tunisia.

This accounts for a significant proportion of US Special Operations forces’ global activity: more than 14% of US commandos deployed overseas in 2019 were sent to Africa, the largest percentage of any region in the world except for the greater Middle East.

These figures come from information provided to the M&G by the US military’s Special Operations Command and Africa Command (AFRICOM).

http://atavist.mg.co.za/inside-the-secret-world-of-us-commandos-in-africa

Exclusive: Inside the secret world of US commandos in Africa

Investigation reveals the scale of operations of America’s elite combat troops in Africa

United States Special Operations forces (SOF) — including Navy SEALs, Army Green Berets and Marine Corps Raiders — are the US military’s most highly trained soldiers, specialising in counterterrorism, counter-insurgency, and “direct action” combat raids, among other missions. Their operations are shrouded in secrecy.

Although US commandos operate on the African continent with the agreement of host governments, ordinary Africans are rarely told about the full extent of US activities — nor offered a say in how and why Americans operate in their countries. Even basic information, like the sweep and scope of deployments by elite US troops and clandestine combat by American commandos on the continent, is mostly unreported across Africa.

But a Mail & Guardian investigation can, for the first time, reveal where US special operators have been active on the African continent — and offer exclusive details about low-profile missions that have been largely kept under wraps.

In 2019, US Special Operations forces were deployed in 22 African countries: Algeria, Botswana, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Chad, Côte D’Ivoire, Djibouti, Egypt, Ethiopia, Ghana, Kenya, Libya, Madagascar, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, Somalia, Tanzania and Tunisia.

This accounts for a significant proportion of US Special Operations forces’ global activity: more than 14% of US commandos deployed overseas in 2019 were sent to Africa, the largest percentage of any region in the world except for the greater Middle East.

These figures come from information provided to the M&G by the US military’s Special Operations Command and Africa Command (AFRICOM).

http://atavist.mg.co.za/inside-the-secret-world-of-us-commandos-in-africa

Logistics - the backbone of any military.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R76fU5THN84