₦airaland Forum

Okay ooooo. It's well.

Esseite:
So what is being done to those that earn a living from non-essential businesses that categorize non essential movements ?...

How would the Govt earn its tax to keep paying salaries when only "essential businesses" eg shops and food productions are the only ones operating?..

They will survive and government will survive. But if people start dying like chickens, the country will go back to lock down and by then it will be too late.

Stanweezy:
The ones dying of hunger will you share your food or salary with them?

If the virus become uncontrollable, they will still die of hunger and they won't still earn that salary.

Esseite:
I understand you perfectly, but how do you not feed someone while encouraging him not to go out to feed himself ?...

You think people are not going out during this lock down. Market is still open. Shops are still open. The different is that non-essential movement is restricted. The movement through public transportation is one of the fastest ways the infection can spread.

Esseite:
You made a valid point, but you didn't answer his question.... "would you feed him"?

We may have good structured jobs that may keep paying salaries or stipends while on lockdown, have we thought about majority that have not earned a dime in 5weeks and counting?

If the Govt is not coming to their rescue, the fortunate ones have exhausted giveaways, what next for vast majority of poor ones?...

I think at this point, we should encourage people to practice effective precautions if we cant help their situations.

If the the diseases become uncontrollable, will you feed those that are sick? Will you treat them when the hospitals are overwhelm? Will you bury them when there is no longer space for people to be buried? Will you be the one to say the last goodbyes to people close to me who may be infected due to my inability to get close to them? Will you cry on my behalf?

None of us can afford the consequences of this thing going out of control

Goke7:
Sanwolu grow some balls and lockdown Lagos for another month, heaven will not fall, El-rufai has locked down for another 30 days, if you need more time that's why you are an executive governor. If things escalate more than this, no one will listen to your excuses o

You all should tell him. I am not interested in his foolish escuse. He has power to shut down Lagos. If this issue escalate he will be held responsible.

As far as I am concern, the issue is still manageable. If it goes beyond control then he has blood on his hands.

Let us be honest with ourselves, Nigeria can't handle this. It can not afford to lift up the shut down. We don't have enough Doctors. We don't have enough equipment and we don't have enough money to spend on it.
America and Europe are facing the consequences of their refusal to take this virus seriously. How much more Nigeria that is unorganise.

No one will tell them to shut down again before they do it . But by that time it will be too late.

pinbar:
My thoughts exactly , how on earth can they prevent catching the virus in a danfo bus that packs people like they are not humans, the conductor shouting and donating the virus free . Now that they have lifted the lock down , the worker that usually leaves home 5:30 am to rush to work and come back home 11:00pm due to traffic now gets infected unfortunately and brings it home transmitting to the granny and children.

Lord i ask for mercy this day

God! When you even get to the office, you come in contact with Clients and staff who you don't even know their travel history.

onyxo76:
an immune system that is adequately nourished not the one that is being ravaged by hunger...its a very precarious position, you go out, you can get infected, you stay in with hunger, your immune system fails then you get infected...

It is indeed precarious. I wish all us all best of luck.

Death is coming for us all. If America has close to 60,000 deaths as of today, what's the hope for Nigeria. The only way to slow down this is for shut down not to be lifted.

Transportation in Lagos is a death trap. Market is a death trap. Hospital is a death trap. ATM machine is a death trap. There are millions of ways to catch this and there is only one way to survive if you are lucky......An immune system that can fight this.

tubolancer:
All of a sudden, I was helping someone to carry a Cross, I couldn't get the face of the individual in the dream but I continued to help him, what baffled me was that lorries and cars were going on the same road we were passing, but we couldn't tell them to help us. Then we took a short cut and we came out quickly on an open road, I was surprised the journey was supposed to be longer than that,but here we are in our destination and I woke up. Really, I am confused about the dream. The second dream was seeing a girl helping me to pluck some ripe mangoes and I was packing it as soon as she used the long stick in her hand to hit it and they dropped to the ground. These are the dream.

In your second dream, the girl is not helping you o. You are the one helping her. The ripe mangoes you are packing are not yours. It is the girl that has it. If you are the owner, you will be plucking instead of gathering.

Your 2 dreams are the same. It has 3 things in common.

1. You help people in their moments of need.
2. But in your own moment of needs, people are not willing to help you
3. It makes you bitter and selfish.

They all should keep shut. So far I am impress by the government. Both federal and local. I really appreciate the fact that that they understand the consequences if they had failed in their duty.

The next step for them is how to Keep Nigerians home for the rest of the month without breakdown of law and order.

I love a proud husband.

As a lot of people have said please mind your business. There is always something hidden from the wisdom of men.

Op, what's your point? The Bible is written by men who are misogynist. Men who sees women only fit enough to be fuc.k, clean up their mess and to carry babies. So I don't know understand the purpose of your thread.

Reality11:
Lol, after you claimed religion brings peace, orderliness...and so on

You even dare me to mention a country that is irreligious and peaceful

After I blew you with an answer you are now talking another different thing

So you agree religion doesn't make a country peaceful or orderly contrary to what you mentioned earlier.

Since religion can't give use road, infrastructure, social amenities, peace or orderliness.

Then what exactly is the usefulness of religion to a country?

Oga, read my previous posts before you jumped into the argument.

LordReed:
Civilisation was not built religion, don't be deceived. Civilisation was built on the realisation that cooperation was more beneficial than in-fighting. Religion is an attempt to stop people from arbitrarily changing societies laws by giving it the laws a veneer of divine approval. There were laws before any of the major religions surfaced. The development of religion came as a result of an attempt to deal with the sorrow of death. Even elephants have been shown to gather together to mourn the passing of one of them.

We have all manner of sub-societies that work well without religion. Professional bodies, all your law enforcement bodies, financial institutions, etc.

Religion is a tool of control. Religion is the only movement that I know that have succeeded in controlling man without force.

All the sub-societies you listed are made up of men who subscribed to it.

Reality11:
There can't be a country that is 100% irreligious neither can there be a country that is 100% religious.

Since you claimed how a country is religious is the factor that determine how it would be peaceful, orderly...

Then we should expect countries with 90% adherents to religion to be more peaceful, orderly... Than a country with 40,50, 60, 70% population that are irreligious.

But no the reverse is the case. Nigeria, Afghanistan, somalia, congo... are extremely religious probably more than 90%. Are this countries peaceful and orderly?

While countries like Estonia, Netherland, Denmark, Sweden, Czech... That have good number of atheist and irreligious people tend to be more peaceful and orderly. Or are this countries not peaceful and orderly?

It shows you don't need religion to be peaceful and orderly!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion

You are absolutely missing my point. The problem of Nigeria is not religion. It's failure of governance. We have no government. We have no institutions. If other countries are succeeding despite been religious, then religion is not the problem.

If not for religion Nigerians would be far worst than this.

GRIMMJOE:
Out of 4200 religion, the chances of your religion being the right one is very slim, your God doesn't know basic science his Book is filled with mistakes and contradictions.

I concur.

Reality11:
So are we experiencing any of this?

That means your point is useless since
Countries that are not religious experience this more than the religious ones.


So you need religion to do what is right? Isn't this sickening

Mention countries that are not religious and is peaceful.

Maximus69:
Well my friend that's a big misconceptions Sir, Jesus never gave a penny to any begger neither did he teach his followers to do so.

Ha!!!!!!!!! You are totally crazy. In the scripture I quoted did you see give money money to a beggar. Let me quote the scripture again.

Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? 39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 “And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters,[c] you were doing it to me

Emphasis on Feed, drink and hospitality. Scriptures where Christ did all these and more.

Drink John 2 :6-9

Now there were six stone water jars there for the Jewish rites of purification, each holding twenty or thirty gallons.[a] 7 Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water.” And they filled them up to the brim. 8 And he said to them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the feast.” So they took it. 9 When the master of the feast tasted the water now become wine, and did not know where it came from (though the servants who had drawn the water knew), the master of the feast called the bridegroom

Food Matt 14 : 15 - 19

15 As evening approached, the disciples came to him and said, “This is a remote place, and it’s already getting late. Send the crowds away, so they can go to the villages and buy themselves some food.”

16 Jesus replied, “They do not need to go away. You give them something to eat.”

17 “We have here only five loaves of bread and two fish,” they answered.

18 “Bring them here to me,” he said. 19 And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people

Hospitality : Luke 19 : 5 - 9

5 When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up and said to him, “Zacchaeus, come down immediately. I must stay at your house today.” 6 So he came down at once and welcomed him gladly.

7 All the people saw this and began to mutter, “He has gone to be the guest of a sinner.”

8 But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.”

9 Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

LordReed:
I can agree that some people need the motivation religion can supply. The real grouse is when they tell us we must conform to their god's rules. No mr & mrs religionist we will not conform to your god's rules because they are antiquated rules.

I know how annoying it could be. There's is this colleague of mine who told me that if I don't Change my ways I am going to hell. On top wetin na, all because I refuse to subscribe to your thinking.

I don tell am that if christ comes today, I will be the one to make heaven and with all her holiness she won't get there.

GRIMMJOE:
The failure is as a result of humans refusing to improve the world they live in, becoming lazy waiting for a miracle.
Religion is dying out in develop countries, they finally discovers what works, and it's effort.

You claim atheists are arrogant, yet it's Christians telling people they are going to hell and will suffer for eternity.
No aspect in life is better than the other, we should all strive to improve every aspect of our life, not just the one taking us to heaven.

The spirituality Christians have failed woefully to prove exist? the same Christians that can no longer go to church to exercises this spirituality?
That's why it's best we explore this logic, since it brings solutions like drugs, vaccine, how a virus works etc.

What has religion done with this discovery.

First of all let me explain spirituality to you. Spirituality is the need that exist in every man to be happy and to be at peace. It's the hunger for a purpose. It's knowing that there's more to you than the materiality of this world. It is the hunger to believe that there is more to this world.

It's the sole reasons religion will never die. It's the sole movement that understand that fact about human. It is the reasons even the most intelligent, the richest, the most develop societies still hold on to it

Xavfra:
Who said so

luvmijeje

LordReed:
Completely false. We build our society on mutual need and aid not on religion. Religion is not what determines how a city should be planned for example. It is pure fantasy to say that you cannot build a working society without religion when there are many segments of society that work absolutely well without religion.

Have you seen a working society that is not built on religion? You all are refusing to see what's in front of you. There is no civilisation that's not built on it. Without it there will be no organisation

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FINALLY, RELIGION AND SUPERSTITION DAMAGES A LOT OF THINGS.
- DRESS CODES AND RESTRICTIONS FOR WOMEN IN ISLAM
- MALTREATMENT OF WOMEN WHEN THEY'RE BURNT OR BURIED ALIVE IN HINDU
- HONOUR KILLINGS
- RELIGIOUS CRISIS AND HOLY WARS
- RELIGIOUS TERRORISM
- RITUAL KILLINGS
- SOCIAL INJUSTICE
- GENITAL MUTILATION
- MISOGYNY
- SLOWS SOCIETAL DEVELOPMENT
- INTENTIONAL NEGLIGENCE BECAUSE "LEAVE IT FOR GOD", WHICH OFTEN CAUSES HARM BECAUSE GOD LEAVES IT ONCE YOU LEAVE IT
- EXTORTION IN THE NAME OF A GOD THAT IS NOT EVEN REAL
- SUPPRESSION OF SCIENTIFIC PROGRESS
- SHAMING (AND KILLING) OF SEVERAL GROUPS OF PEOPLE INCLUDING GAYS, PROSTITUTES, OLD WOMEN, HUNGRY SICK KIDS, AND EVEN ANIMALS LIKE CATS AND OWLS.

AND MANY OTHER ILLS. HOW CAN WE OVERLOOK THESE ASPECTS OF RELIGION... JUST BECAUSE RELIGION MAKES "YOU" FEEL GOOD, AND PROVIDES "YOU" WITH FALSE HOPE??

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Every malpractices you listed up there is failure of governance and it is product of religion mixing with culture. Are there no religion in the develop countries? Until we have an institution that works, I am not going to be arrogant like you who thinks you are better than those who are religious.

You ain't better because they are better than you in one aspect. The belief in spirituality. I have seen enough to know that it ain't only the universe that is built logically, the relationship that exist between man is based on logic. And religion discovered that first.

Maximus69, If Jesus is the resurrection and will be the judge of the integrity keepers why do you make the statement below :

Well i can say thousands of my neighbours have DIED, buried and forgotten. But none of my brothers and sisters are expected to DIE, they are INTEGRITY KEEPERS!


I'll leave you with this scripture Matthew 24 :34-40

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36 I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’

37 “Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? 39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 “And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters,[c] you were doing it to me!’

If truly there is heaven I pray you all won't miss it. Your ticket is your service to humanity and not your righteousness.

Maximus69:
When talking about Integrity keepers, it simply means means individuals who are highly conscientious about the principles known to them!

God will never hold you accountable for rules unknown to you!

So all those who are fond of rendering their conscience inactive can't please God!

In every generation people's Integrity are measured by the way they respond to warnings and treat their neighbours.

Today God has dispatched his servants to go and gather peace lovers throughout the globe together as one big and happy family of worshipers!

No matter the type of person you are, if you're a peace lover God will mold you into a useful vessel, but the problem here is it is very very difficult to know those who are true peace lovers deep in their hearts.

That's why the Prince of Peace (Jesus) organized a group, taught them how to go about this search, they're to come and speak to you privately in your house, they must be well dressed, well behaved, they must learn how to speak consolingly to all depressed souls and by so doing all other peace lovers will be attracted to join them.

So whoever finds faults with their peace keeping mission will be condemned!

If you recognize this group and become a member of the group you automatically become one of our brothers, and Jesus' promise is surely yours!

You still didn't answer my questions. Remember in answer to my first set of questions you said :

Jesus will still raise all other faithful servants of God, this he himself confirmed by saying "i am the resurrection"

My questions again :


1. How do you know that thousands of your neighbours who have died, been buried were not integrity keepers or that Christ will not raise them?
2. How do you know that your brothers and sisters who will not die are integrity keepers and Christ will raise them?

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HOW IS RELIGION PLAYING ANY SIGNIFICANT ROLES? WHAT DOES RELIGION ACTUALLY DO? NOTHING. IT'S USELESS.
PEOPLE LIVE FOR RELIGION. PEOPLE WORK FOR RELIGION. PEOPLE FIGHT AND KILL FOR IT.
IT'S ACTUALLY PEOPLE DOING THESE THINGS. WHAT IS OBTAINABLE THROUGH BEING RELIGIOUS THAT CAN'T BE OBTAINED THROUGH BEING IRRELIGIOUS? NOTHING.
PEOPLE JUST USE RELIGION TO STEAL, HURT PEOPLE, THAT IS WHY WE WANT IT ERADICATED SO WOMEN DON'T HAVE TO BE CONTROLLED BECAUSE GOD SAID SO. WE DON'T HAVE TO BE STONNED BECAUSE RELIGION SAYS NO TO GAYS. ALL THAT STUFF.

Everyone is not like you. Everyone is not strong like me. I have seen alot of threads on nairaland of people saying they want to commit suicide and for what? For things others sees as nothing. Everyone is not strong. Your breaking point is suicide for others. So I don't mind religion. We are not all strong and capable of being independent like you.

Being an Atheist is a gift. The ability to have the capacity to not believe in fairytale and still be able to face the oppositions of life is a gift. Religion gives hope, build faith and strengthen you in the midst of oppositions. We are not all strong like you. Don't deprive people of that.

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THERE IS NO DEVELOPED COUNTRY WITHOUT RELIGION, BUT DID THEY BUILD ROADS AND TECHNOLOGY BY RECITING RELIGIOUS DOCTRINES?

RELIGION IS USELESS. IT WAS USEFUL IN THE OLDEN DAYS TO CALM MEN DOWN AND ASSURE THEM THEIR GOD WOULD BE KIND ENOUGH TO PROVIDE THEM A BOUNTIFUL HARVEST AT THE END OF EACH FARMING iSEASON. NOT TODAY.

Is it the job of religion to build roads and technology? People are looking up to religion because government has failed. Religion is playing its roles but every other areas has failed.

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IN NIGERIA 100% HAS RELIGION, UNLESS THE VERY FEW OF US THAT MOVE ASIDE.

YOU CAN NEVER COMPARE THIS TWO COUNTRIES IN TERMS OF PEACE, HAPPINESS AND PROGRESS.


IT'S ALSO VERY STUPID FOR YOU AND OTHERS TO SAY THAT THERE WON'T BE PEACE AND LOVE WITHOUT RELIGION.

IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF SAYING I AM ANIMAL THAT CANNOT THINK FOR MYSELF, AND I'M READY TO MURDER EVERYONE UNLESS A BOOK OR SOME DOCTRINES TELL ME NOT TO.

COME ON.

There is no country without religion. There is no develop country without religion. Religion is not the enemy. If other country is developing despite it then it is high time we start looking else where.