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Hamzi423:
Salat is a ritual & is to be performed in 1 language to maintain uniformity... It is performed in a language chosen by GOD... Aside salat u can make supplications, give praises pray in ur mother tongue...

Why can't it be performed in Hausa or any other dialect, why must it be arabic?.

Muhammed is the prophet of the arabs. But he is dead and gone.

Jesus is his Lord and saviour. And he is coming back.

Hijab was not originally an islamic religious dress code but rather the traditional dress codes of the Arabs, this is due to the nature of their region, that is (sand stormy, windy, hot and dry climatic condition) same reason for even the niqab or Burqah.

But Islam came and twist everything into their religion. The way the northern Nigeria tradition is slowly been encroached and eaten up by anything Islam.


For example..if you dress like a hausa man or woman, most people will be quick to say "you are dressed like a Muslim?" instead of "you are dressed like a hausa man or woman"

ScienceWatch:
Wow. Brilliantly explained sir. But the Atheist training Manuel above May shed some more light on this disaster.

Please read it. Print it out for distribution to schools and churches.

God bless you.

Great approach! Kudos!

So many Atheists embracing Christ....

May God keep drawing them to Christ.

Atheists are for ever troubled by the constant fight to detest and discredit God, even their maker. They are more like a troubled souls wondering in darkness and until the light of Christ illuminate their path for them to see the truth, they will keep wallowing in their utter self-deception.

Good one

Niyi53:
lol... cos you see that the translation is just not in your favour!!!

visit this page and see the translation:

https://www.alislam.org/quran/view/?page=317&region=E3&CR=

https://www.alislam.org/quran/view/?page=318&region=E3

Generally Accepted Translations of the Meaning

Muhammad Asad   nay, God exalted him unto Himself - and God is indeed almighty, wise.

M. M. Pickthall   But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.

Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985)   Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

Yusuf Ali (Orig. 1938)   Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

Shakir   Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Wahiduddin Khan   God raised him towards Himself. God is almighty and wise.

Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar   Nay! God exalted him to Himself. And God had been Almighty, Wise.

T.B.Irving   Rather God lifted him up towards Himself God is Powerful, Wise!

The Clear Quran, Dr. Mustafa Khattab  
Rather, Allah raised him up to Himself. And Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.

Safi Kaskas   Rather, God raised him up to Himself. God is Almighty and Wise.

[The Monotheist Group] (2011 Edition)   For God raised him to Himself; and God is Noble, Wise.

Abdel Haleem   God raised him up to Himself. God is almighty and wise.

Abdul Majid Daryabadi   But Allah raised him unto Himself; and Allah is ever Mighty, Wise.

Ahmed Ali   But God raised him up (in position) and closer to Himself; and God is all-mighty and all-wise.

Aisha Bewley   Allah raised him up to Himself. Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.

Ali Ünal   But God raised him to Himself. God is All-Glorious with irresistible might, All-Wise.

Ali Quli Qara'i   Rather Allah raised him up toward Himself, and Allah is all-mighty, all-wise.

Hamid S. Aziz   Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; for Allah is ever Mighty and Wise!

Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali   No indeed, Allah raised him up to Him; and Allah has been Ever-Mighty, Ever-Wise.

Muhammad Sarwar   God raised him up to Himself. God is Majestic and All-wise.

Muhammad Taqi Usmani   but Allah lifted him towards Himself. Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.

Shabbir Ahmed   Nay, Allah exalted him unto Himself. (They had plotted thinking that crucifixion was a death of dishonor. But Allah raised him in honor). Allah is Almighty, Wise.

Syed Vickar Ahamed   But! Allah raised him up to Himself, and Allah is Exalted in Power, All Wise—

Umm Muhammad (Sahih International)   Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.

Farook Malik   Nay! The fact is that Allah took him up to Himself. Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Dr. Munir Munshey   The fact is, Allah raised him (towards Himself) and Allah is the most Powerful, the Wisest.

Dr. Kamal Omar   Nay ! Allah raised him (in his physical body) towards Him, [after He Himself gave him death (see 3/55; 4/157, 158 5/17, 117, 118 19/33, 34 21/8, 34, 35; 33/40)]. And Allah is All-Powerful, All-Wise [and protected Iesa’s body from lynching, desecration, or exhumation (see 3/55) at the hands of the disbelievers].
Talal A. Itani (new translation)   Rather, God raised him up to Himself. God is Mighty and Wise.

Maududi   but Allah raised him to Himself. Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.

Ali Bakhtiari Nejad   but rather God lifted him up to Him. God is powerful and wise.

A.L. Bilal Muhammad et al (2018)   No, God raised him up to Himself, and God is Exalted in Power, the Wise.

[The Monotheist Group] (2013 Edition)   Instead, God had raised him to Himself; and God is Noble, Wise.

Mohammad Shafi   Nay! Allah took him up to Himself. And Allah is Omnipotent, Wise.

Here is the Controversial, deprecated, or status undetermined works

Bijan Moeinian   Indeed not. God raised Jesus unto Him and God is Most Powerful [and can do such a thing] and the Most Wise [in doing so.]

Faridul Haque   In fact Allah raised him towards Himself; and Allah is Almighty, Wise.

Hasan Al-Fatih Qaribullah   Rather, Allah raised him up to Him. Allah is Almighty, the Wise.

Maulana Muhammad Ali   Nay, Allah exalted him in His presence. And Allah is ever Mighty, Wise.

Muhammad Ahmed - Samira   But God rose him (Jesus) to Him, and God was/is glorious/mighty , wise/judicious.

Sher Ali   On the contrary, ALLAH exalted him to Himself. And ALLAH is Mighty, Wise.

Rashad Khalifa   Instead, GOD raised him to Him; GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.
Ahmed Raza Khan (Barelvi)   But Allah raised him up towards Himself, and Allah is Dominant, Wise.
Amatul Rahman Omar   Rather Allah exalted him with all honour to His presence. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
Dr. Mohammad Tahir-ul-Qadri   In fact, Allah lifted him up towards Himself (in heaven) and Allah is Almighty, Most Wise.
Muhsin Khan & Muhammad al-Hilali   But Allah raised him (Iesa (Jesus)) up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever AllPowerful, AllWise.

Non-Muslim and/or Orientalist works
Arthur John Arberry   God raised him up to Him; God is All-mighty, All-wise.

Edward Henry Palmer   nay, God raised him up unto Himself; for God is mighty and wise!

George Sale   but God took him up unto Himself: And God is mighty and wise.

John Medows Rodwell   but God took him up to Himself. And God is Mighty, Wise!

N J Dawood (2014)   Rather God lifted him up to Himself; God is Almighty and wise.

Here are New and/or Partial Translations, and works in progress

Sayyid Qutb   No! God raised him up to Himself. God is indeed Almighty, Wise.

Ahmed Hulusi   On the contrary, Allah raised him to Himself! Allah is the Aziz, the Hakim.

Sayyed Abbas Sadr-Ameli   But Allah took him up unto Himself; and Allah is the Mighty, the Wise.

Al-muntakhab fi tafsir al-Qur'an al-Karim   But Allah had taken him up to His August presence, and Allah has always been Azizun (almighty) and Hakimun.

Mir Aneesuddin   No ! Allah raised him towards Himself and Allah is Mighty, Wise.


Now count the translations that used the phrase 'RAISED TO HIMSELF' against others that used 'EXALTED'. Then tell me your translation is better than Yusuf Ali that uses "RAISED" Or M. M. Pikthall that used "TOOK" which are most authentic and generally accepted translation known today.

@Op, the relationship between God and his creation is like that of a husband and his wife.

None will tolerate a cheating partner.

Our God is a jealous God and also a faithful God.

superhumanist:
Fake news

When you can't comprehend things, you label it fake.

What makes it a fake news anyway?

Bro God bless you. You have explained perfectly but i still have questions to ask from what you wrote

first you said we should love God with all our soul and with all our heart also you said that the whole duties of man is to fear God and keep his commandment.

You then said Jesus said if you love me keep my commandment

my questions now

Amen and bless you too.

1 loving God and fearing him is it thesame with worshiping God? Like muslims, they believe that observing salat five times a day is worship and some believed that if they can maintain this they we save some even make sure they leave a dark spot on their forehead as a sign of worshiping God. Loving God and worshiping God is it thesame?

Loving and fearing God is not the same as worshipping God in this case of contrast with the Muslims salat. But rather loving God is to revere him adore him and seek him at all times.

Perfect love will entertain no fear if I may add, the kind of fear we are to have here is the fear of God's majestic power and might as our great judge.

To “fear him” means to stand in awe of him: “Let all the earth FEAR the Lord; let all the inhabitants of the world STAND IN AWE OF HIM!” (Psalm 33:.

To see God in all his glory and then respond to him appropriately. To humble ourselves before him. To adore him.

if you love me keep my commandment. And the commandment here is to love our neigbours as we love ourself .Right?

2 Are you saying their is no verse in sbripture where God gives command on how to worship him as Musliims are doing?

No! I am not in any way saying that. In fact there are numerous verses from the scripture that God demand worship from us, yes the true worship.

Niyi53:
[s]I thank God that the Arabic text of the Holy Quran is still preserved till today and there is no doubt concerning this.

so the problems are in the wrong and unnecessary additions done in those translations.

وَّقَوْلِهِمْ اِنَّا قَتَلْنَا الْمَسِيْحَ عِيْسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُوْلَ اللّٰهِ‌ۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوْهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوْهُ وَلٰـكِنْ شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ‌ؕ وَاِنَّ الَّذِيْنَ اخْتَلَفُوْا فِيْهِ لَفِىْ شَكٍّ مِّنْهُ‌ؕ مَا لَهُمْ بِهٖ مِنْ عِلْمٍ اِلَّا اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّ‌ۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوْهُ يَقِيْنًاۢۙ‏

And their saying, ‘We did kill the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah;’ whereas they slew him not, nor crucified him, but he was made to appear to them like (one crucified); and those who differ therein are certainly in (a state of) doubt about it; they have no (definite) knowledge thereof, but only follow a conjecture; and they did not convert this (conjecture) into a certainty;

Surah An-Nisa', Chapter: 4, verse: 157

بَل رَّفَعَهُ اللّٰهُ اِلَيْهِ‌ؕ وَكَانَ اللّٰهُ عَزِيْزًا حَكِيْمًا

On the contrary, Allah exalted him to Himself. And Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Surah An-Nisa', Chapter: 4, verse: 158

read this translation and tell what you understand[/s]!

Stop rewriting your own Quran. Joker.

Niyi53:
lol... no need to be angry. there are numerous evidence for that. just create time to explore www.alislam.org yourself. get the literatures in the library section. download books for free. study them and feel free to get back to me for discussion.


no where has Allah mentioned that Jesus was raised alive to the heavens bodily!
that's a grave misunderstanding of the Holy Quran!!

You will have to argue with your quran about that not me.


The Noble Quran 4:157

وَقَوْلِهِمْ إِنَّا قَتَلْنَا ٱلْمَسِيحَ عِيسَى ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولَ ٱللَّهِ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَٰكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ ۚ وَإِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ ٱخْتَلَفُوا۟ فِيهِ لَفِى شَكٍّ مِّنْهُ ۚ مَا لَهُم بِهِۦ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِلَّا ٱتِّبَاعَ ٱلظَّنِّ ۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِينًۢا

Waqawlihim inna qatalna almaseeha AAeesa ibna maryama rasoola Allahi wama qataloohu wama salaboohu walakin shubbiha lahum wainna allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi lafee shakkin minhu ma lahum bihi min AAilmin illa ittibaAAa alththanni wama qataloohu yaqeenan

And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]:

The Noble Quran 4:158

بَل رَّفَعَهُ ٱللَّهُ إِلَيْهِ ۚ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ عَزِيزًا حَكِيمًا

Bal rafaAAahu Allahu ilayhi wakana Allahu AAazeezan hakeeman

But Allah raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise.

I see that Allah have to kill an innocent person in place of Iesa here too. So much for you muslim's long denial of the blood atonement from an innocent soul.

Ayomivic:
thank you bro. If i understand you the purpose of we been created is to "be fruithful,mutiply,replenish the earth subdue it and have dominion over other things God Created"

Are you saying God did not intentionally created us to be worshiping him?

Now that is the primary duty of the creation of mankind. That is, to come to know God his creator and fellowship with him, rule and multiply and take dominion over all the earth and universe. And this we can only do by keeping God's commandments

John 14:15 says "If ye love me, keep my commandment"

A man once asked Jesus the Son of God, which is the great commandment?

Matthew 22:37-40

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

You see that everything still boils down to loving God our creator and keeping his commandments.

Finally..

Ecc.12:13 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man."

Genesis 1: 26-28

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

tomakint:
My brother you just took the words out of my heart.....this is exactly what I tell Trinitarians that there is nothing mysterious about that doctrine of Trinity but just confusion. The Bible was explicit on who.God is, Jesus is and The Holy Spirit is. The other day I was discussing with a Trinitarian who so much believes in God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I just asked him to explain why Jesus Christ said in the book of Mark 13: 32 that even him (the Son) that Trinitarians equate to be God does not know the time and hour of visitation of God's judgment on Earth except God Almighty Himself. The guy kept mute!

That is it my brother. The revealed Gospel is clear and understandable even to the babes. I see no reason attaching mystery and doctrine that is not there to it. This can only be the work of the devil. God Almighty will continue to teach us the true Gospel of Christ his Son.

tomakint:
This is the crux of the matter as this doctrine had brought more confusion into Christendom than enlightenment. To know this, just do a survey on 10 members of the same Church who are workers in that church and ask them to explain their understanding of the term "Trinity" in Christianity, you will be shocked at their responses.

Exactly. And it will finally ends in 'trinity is a mystery'...'you need the holy spirit to understand it'

tomakint:
I have been sending scholars to this page to come and learn from your fountain of knowledge and great inspiration on how you are exposing the simple and deep things many here need to learn about the Doctrine of Trinity!

The truth shall prevail and reign forever, no matter how long it has been denied. I know it's hard to do away with a doctrine they have held for almost all their life. I pray God opens their inner mind to understand and come to the knowledge of the true gospel of Christ.

The Trinity doctrine has hindered so many from accepting Christ as their saviour.

Living for Christ and seeking true worship!

Arondizuogu:
I have already said that God is not an individual but rather an Office, Authority or Power... One Office, The Father being in unity with the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Father shares this office equally with the Son and the HOLY Spirit.....

Due. 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

Or better yet..

"Shema O Yisrael: Yahweh Elohinu, Yahweh ehad"

John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."

[quote author=Emusan post=68887095][/quote]

So you believe Jesus is a deity, right?

Why do you have to lie against me initially that I denied the deity of Jesus

Funny you...
It's like God is dragging position with Jesus! Because the Father Himself is also a mighty God. So, God has to makef Almighty God later.

Simply Google the slight difference between MIGHTY and ALMIGHTY. That should help shed more understanding on your path.

How many God do you now have?

I should rather ask you, how many God do you have in your trinity doctrine?

Besides, I can see you purposely ignored the part where Jesus was called EVERLASTING FATHER, so how many everlasting father do you have?

Now here you go again taking Jesus to be Yahweh.

So His Father also made Him and ETERNAL Being yet ONLY God is ETERNAL. Continue...

What do you understand by this..
John 5:26 "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;"

Have you noticed that your 3rd person in the trinity was not mentioned in that verse?

The Holy Spirit was called ETERNAL SPIRIT in the Bible if you can't find it in your own Bible tell me, I'll show you.

At what point is the holy spirit of God or the power of God not with him(God)? Besides the bible says " God is spirit". If God is ETERNAL then his spirit is forever eternal with him as well.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.

Stop tying yourself down with a doctrine that is not biblical.

Laughing hard.....
So, you agree Jesus Christ is divine but not YAHWEH, why is it divine then?

In case you don't know, DIVINITY simply means Deity! So agree Jesus is divine in one breath and deny His deity in another breath shows insincerity of you.

These are the verses that talked about Jesus deity in the scripture.

At the bolden, show me where I denied his deity?

-He is a Mighty God and EVERLASTING Father...Isaiah 9
-He is ETERNAL life 1 Jn 1:2

Jesus is a Mighty God but not the Almighty God. Because Jesus also have an ALMIGHTY GOD ABOVE HIM.

John 5:26 "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;"

Everything Jesus is, is given/made by his Father the Almighty God.

These two verses alone are enough evidence that Jesus is God but not the Father because in human knowledge ONLY God is Everlasting and ETERNAL!

Good, at least this is a head start for you..but You still haven't fix the holy spirit in your tri-unity. It looks like you are leaving him out.

Emusan:
This is the lie that you people always peddle

Justin Martyr is one of the early Christian who died 165AD he defended Jesus Christ divinity always

Surely Jesus is divine, but he is not Yahweh or coequal to Yahweh his father in any triune relationship as taught by triniterians.

Here is Jesus claim of his divine precedence

John 16:28 "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father."

John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world."

Now what about the holy spirit?

Arondizuogu:
I think that people don't understand the meaning of "God". God is not an individual but an office, Authority or Power. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one God. The Father decides to share authority with the Son and the Holy Spirit. Their being is in unity, and they are three beings but one God, a unit comprised of three beings acting together.
The beginning mentioned in John is the physical begining, you know when creation started physically, Jesus has been in existence with angels long before then...
That is how I understand Trinity.

With this your analogy, we should be having 3 Gods sitting on their respective throne in heaven but it's not so. Only the son is at the right hand of God.

No matter how you twist this, the Trinity doctrine is not biblical. Moreover the bible speaks of the seven spirits of God, I guess they are also a personal being in trinity?

When Triniterians tend to argue this doctrine out, there still seem to be that void space or little mention of the place of the Holy spirit in the triune.

May God open our inner understanding of the scriptures and Gospel is Christ.

tomakint:
Sir, I must confess you are a true Christian bequeathed with knowledge from above please keep up the good work of faith in the vineyard of God. Your expository dissection of the topic on Doctrine of Trinity is the best I have ever come across. You are a god!

The Trinity doctrine is not supported by scriptures, it was never taught by Christ, his disciples or the early Christians.

It is so unfortunate that so many churches teaches this mystery babylonian doctrine today. But surely as God lives, he will restore back his true words right in our heart.

Shalom aleikhem!

You quote the scriptures that appeal to you, and you paraphrase them to suit what you believe. Are you saying that Jesus Christ is lying or is the bible now false?. Kindly explain these verses of the scriptures below:

Not really, all scriptures are God's inspired word and profitable. my paraphrasing was to convey a better understanding to you. Jesus was clear about who God the father is, they are not coequal in any trinity or whatsoever.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

There is no ambiguity in those verses from John, your understanding of the word "God" will help you to grasp it better. "God" is a title and as such can be ascribed to other created beings, this does not make or put them at per or coequal with God Almighty. It is clear that this word (Jesus) was with God(Yahweh).the word came from God(Yahweh) who is the father. John further said this word was God. This means that the word has a God and father too. Proverbs 8:22 "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old." further shows that everything came by him.

Satan was called God of this age, Moses was made like God to Pharaoh, the Psalmist called us Gods, Jesus Quoted the Psalmist as well saying "Ye are Gods". God called the Son "God" in Hebrew 1:8 " But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. God always acknowledge that there are other Gods but there is none unto like him or worthy to be worshipped.Exodus 20:3-5

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Yes! Jesus is in the father and the father is in him, one of his main purpose of coming was to declare God the father to mankind, and when he was asked the first commandment he said "Love God with all your heart..". For it pleases God to dwell fully in Jesus that when you see him you automatically see God at work.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

They are one in purpose and will, this was made possible through the power of the holy spirit of God. The verse does not imply that Jesus is Yahweh the father...No!

John 17: 21-24
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

This shows that we are all one in christ Jesus and God the father. But does the verses above in any way make us Yahweh or God's coequal? Absolutely Not! Verse 24 further tells us that all what Jesus has (his glory) was given to him by God the father before even creation began and we can share in it too as joint heirs.

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in very nature of God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;(NIV)

Whatever Nature Jesus has was given to him by the father because he loves him and shows him all his ways even from the beginning. All power and authority has been set under Christ but HE (Yahweh) that put all things under Christ is excepted as I had earlier shown you in 1 Cor 15:27. It is because of christ humility event to the cross that made him to be glorified at the right hand of power.

Hebrews 1:1-4
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Also..

John 17:5-7

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

No doubt, the Father supersedes all, and is the head of the Trinity. But the way I understand your point, [b]it seems, you're relegating Jesus Christ to something lesser. [/b]God is a trinity.

There is no such thing as trinity. Neither am I in anyway relegating Christ to something lesser than what he himself has revealed in the scriptures,he said "the father is greater than I" John 14:28. Through out the entire scriptures, the Father is always seen given out instructions to Christ the Son and not the other way. Jesus has been glorified to the highest so I do not know what you mean by the bolden. The holy spirit is not a third person as taught by trinity doctrine, but the very essence and power of God through whom he quickens things to be.

The problem is that the initial trinity indoctrination which you find difficult to unlearn will make you see it as such.

Primesky:
God is a tripartite being. He is one in three and three in one. To naturally explain it, do this. Take water, put it into three separate containers. Put one in the freezer, boil one portion, and leave the other portion alone. The water in the freezer becomes ice, the water on fire becomes vapor, while you have the remaining one in its natural state as water.

Please, tell me, will I be wrong to say that the water turned ice is the same as the one in the natural state? Will I be wrong to say the water turned vapour is same as the one in the natural state? You see, water existing in three different state, but is one and the same water! However, by existing in three different states, water can perform different functions. But the Supreme among them could arguably be said to be water in the natural state.

God existing as the word (son), enabled Him to come to earth, and still remained in heaven as the Father at the same time. Let's assume it wasn't so, who would have been on the throne when God came down for man?

Another proof is where Jesus answering to a request by Philip to show the disciples the Father said, "... he who have seen me, have seen the Father..." John. 14:9

[s]To not believe the Trinity, is to not believe God[/s].

The trinity doctrine is not biblical. Your analogy has been dealt with sometimes in the past on Nairaland.

Jesus is sitting at the right hand of power (God) in revelation. Jesus is not Yahweh and neither are they coequal.

1 Cor. 15:24-28

24 Then cometh the end, when he(Jesus) shall have delivered up the kingdom to God(Yahweh), even the Father(Yahweh); when he(Jesus) shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he(Jesus) must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he(Yahweh) hath put all things under his(Jesus) feet. But when he saith all things are put under him(Jesus), it is manifest that he(Yahweh) is excepted, which did put all things under him(Jesus).

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him(Jesus), then shall the Son(Jesus) also himself be subject unto him(Yahweh) that put all things under him(Jesus), that God(Yahweh) may be all in all.

All the emphases in bracket are mine for clarity.

God(Yahweh) the father has no equal.

Shalom!

Fredmatic:
You need the help of the holy ghost to understand the deep things of God, is not sth u go to theological school or mere reading it.

Jesus is God the son not God the father and both are equal in status, but Jesus don't count on it( just like twins childrend that you can hardly differentiate).

Also while on earth he made it clear to us as a father and son relationship, which are clear in all the example he gave and demonstrated

There is no such phrase as God the son in the Bible.

The Son of God is not the same as God the son

Neither was there any teaching supporting trinity doctrine in the bible.

1 Cor. 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

God is one and none is like him. None!

Yet you can't worship this God in any other language except Arabic, you can't call his name in any other language to worship except the Arabic name Allah.

Trust me this your Allah is different from the one that sent the Jewish prophets and patriarchs.

Gal.1:8 "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."

2 Cor. 11:4 "For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which spel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him."

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has no covenant with the Arabians.

NaijaTechnician:
Bible schoolers on Nairaland can you pls tell us 5 Things God did not created with Bible references? There are 50 of them but name atleast 5 of them and tell us where it is in the Bible..

Lemme give you expo SIN, Darkness, Death. Now tell us 5 of them and the place where it is been found in the Bible.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

God was neither created, built or given birth to...he dwells in eternity and he is the origin of consciousness.

O dear! I feel sorry for you and her...I just hope you both find a way to fix it.

I left Romanceland and took a break for a very long time because of such a**licking threads only to come back to meet that nothing has changed and some Boyz are still in the a**licking business.

Damn!