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uplawal:
In Islam is different,Allah is the only God and everyother is a slave to him,THERES NO god BUT ALLAH.

Why slave? Is your Allah into slave trade?

saintmark88:
So question for u is the Holy Spirit God??

The Holy Spirit is God's divine power

saintmark88:
I'm not twisting nothing, its you who lacks understanding. Pray to God to enlighten your mind.

Yahweh is God
Jesus is God
Holy Spirit is God

Three distincts beings..... But One God.....

Really! what again don't I understand?
You are coming out of the closet little by little...

You claim they are three distinct beings...with each not being the other, each distinct being is a God yet but one God. I think you are brainwashed.

[quote author=saintmark88 post=62198451]

Yahweh isn't the same person as Jesus,

OK that means they are TWO separate persons. Now if they are two separate persons are the both of them God(s)? I guess Yes! because you said below that they are "having the form, nature nd essence of God"

Yahweh isn't d same person as the Holy Spirit

Ok..this is getting interesting...now here you are below contradicting yourself

Proof Holy Spirit is God
Word interchanges. Acts 5:3 says that Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit; verse 4 says that Ananias lied to God. This indicates that “the Holy Spirit” and “God” are interchangeable and thus that the Holy Spirit is God.

You said Yahweh(God) is not the Holy Spirit and here you are claiming with Act 5:3-4 that the Holy Spirit is God.
We are gradually knowing who is speaking from both sides of his mouth today.

Yahweh n Jesus aren't coequal in terms of authority

Ok

but are one on nature....having the form, nature nd essence of God

In other words Yahweh and Jesus are God(s).. which makes us having two Gods plus the Holy Spirit which you claimed earlier that is not Yahweh(God) and at the same time claimed to be God, making 3 Gods

I hope you can see how twisted you sound?

saintmark88:
One God

How?

Time to answer my questions

Is Yahweh same person as Jesus?
Is Yahweh same person in place of the holy spirit?
If the holy spirit is God can you back up your claim with the scripture?
Lastly is Yahweh and Jesus Co-equal?
Finally is Yahweh, Jesus, Holy Spirit all separate persons(entities) ?

After you supply the answers we will Now deduce if we have One God as you have said

What is all these rants about Islamisation or Christianisation?

"He that watches over Yitsrael never sleeps nor slumbers"

Y'll need to take some chill pills.."Thus said the Lord GOD, it shall not stand, neither shall it come to pass."

saintmark88:
Of course the Holy spirit is God

So how many Gods do we have now?

saintmark88:
Hahahahahaha....two Gods...hahahahahahhaha....so what of the Holy Spirit??

You will have to answer this question first for us to know if the Holy Spirit will be added as part of your 3 in 1 God.

Is Holy Spirit a God?

saintmark88:
So if u agree Jesus is God and the Father is God, then how many Gods do we have??

Two Gods with one that remain a God and father over the other God.


Are you satisfied now?

Yeshua haMashiach is translated from Hebrew to Jesus the Messiah na!

This man sef!

Plus "Yeshua" simply means "Yahweh is Saviour"

This one went and smoke weed prematurely and he now travel to heaven like it were his village...

Yeye dey smell

joshnes:
Maamin This Expose.

I replied this yesterday, I will refer you back to the post by tagging you there.

joshnes:
You Haven't replied my Philippians Expose.

Which one please? kindly resend it.

saintmark88:
U speak from.both sides of the mouth, earlier I asked u....is.Jesus God??......u said yes, if u believe Jesus is God then ur not a JW

How did I speak from both sides of my mouth?

Is Jesus God?
Yes!

Is Jesus the same person as Yahweh?
No!

Is Jesus and Yahweh Co-equal?
No!

Is Yahweh greater than Jesus the Son?
Yes!

How many true God do we have?
One true God(the Father)

Is God one?
Yes!

With all the above Q&As, how have I been speaking from both sides of my mouth?
You keep tying yourself up and contradicting yourself with 3 in 1 doctrine that you cant even make sense out of and was not taught by Christ and his disciples as well. Reasons why your heart is harden and cannot accept this truth you encountered on this thread today.

I never said I was a JW You are the one calling people all sort of names and tagging and labelling them JW here. So deal with it

Shalom Aleikhem!

saintmark88:
Why did the people worship Jesus in matt 14:33 and 28;9. Why didn't Jesus rebuke them by saying worship os only for Jehova

Your answer is not very far from those verses as well

Matt 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Who gave him?

Philipians 2:9-11 "9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father

In the end all is still to the glory of God the Father(Yahweh). As the Son is honoured by the Father the same way the Father is honoured through the son

1 Cor 15:28...finally, God the father remains All in all and over all.

Don't give yourself hypertension over this thread ok?

Jesus is Lord

Shalom aleikhem!

Maamin when you want to study the bible, you don't use only one version.

I use KJV, is it no longer valid in your denomination?

So if you will, let me take you on a trip through Philippians 2:6. "Christ was truly God...." (CEV). "...although He existed in the form and unchanging essence of God [as One with Him, possessing the fullness of all the divine attributes - the entire nature of deity]......" (AMP). "Although He was in the form of God and equal with God...." (GWT) "For He who had always been God by nature....." (PHILLIPS). "Who though He was God....." (TLB). "...He had equal status with God...." (MSG). "Who being in very nature God...." (NIV). "Though He was God....." (NLT). Have you seen the equality now? Try and read other translations eh, it will broaden your view (unless you don't believe in other translations). And also ask the Holy Spirit for help.

I can see that you have carefully selected this Bible versions to support your claims. Christ is God no dispute about that, is he equal as Yahweh? No!. Cause none of these versions said Christ claimed equality in all essence with God Almighty

Here are these two versions of Phil 2:6
Christ never claimed equality at anytime.

Philippians 2:6 (NIV) Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

Philippians 2:6 (KJV) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

God is unique he is but one!

Isaiah 46:5 "To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?" (KJV)

Isaiah 46:9 "Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me," (KJV)

joshnes here it is.

Pls dnt try to be smart here, the person who spoke is Jesus..in 12 he said, I will be coming soon and will reward all men...we all know this statement can be accredited to the person Jesus.

And who was speaking to Jesus in Revelation?

The same person who spoke in verse 12, went further to say in 13..I'm d Alpha and Omega, d First n the Last. I had to refer to 12 so that u cannot refute this fact that this was Jesus's own statement, referring to himself as the Alpha and Omega, First and Last.

The angel was there in verse 8 showing John all this things before verse 12, does that make the angel Alpha and Omega too

This statement doesn't only quash the JWs believe that Jesus is a god but also quashed that heresy and insult that Jesus was created. A created being cannot lat claim to be the Alpha and the Omega and The First and Last.

Everything you read in Revelation was revealed by God the father through Jesus Christ. So don't sweat it

In as much as u try to say this revelation was given by the Father, to d Son....Rev 22:12, clearly shows Christ speak

Angel spoke as well as John too in that chapter. They are all Alpha and Omega. No dispute!

Lol! You see that your question is even haunting you in return.

saintmark88:
Rev 22:12 I mean...who made the statement??

I already answered that make your deduction from the below persons involved in the conversation.

And what direct statement of who? God, Jesus, Angel or John? Pick one

Jacksonville:
You are misinterpreting the mind of God with logics... Isaiah spoke the mind of God in 9:6... God told Isaiah a son would be born who will be called The mighty God and everlasting Father...

Take note, 'God' is a title which The father gave to his begotten son Jesus.. "Every son will become a father".. If the spirit of God calls Jesus 'The MIGHTY GOD and EVERLASTING FATHER ', then what do you call that? Must the scripture directly tell u he is God ?

The prophets prophesied according to the mind of God and God did not mince words when he told Isaiah this.. Jesus is the son of God, yes, and he is the mighty God.


You should say you don't believe in trinity and I will know where you're coming from..

You are the one misinterpreting the mind of God.

It is glaring through out the entire scripture that Christ is the Son of God...he is distinct from Yahweh that is to say they are not the same person as you assumed.

joshnes:
Maamin, what you just said is borderline heretic, there are two Gods? There is only one God, He is Jehovah, Jesus and The Holy Spirit. No difference. I don't know if you use other translations but if you do, try reading Philipians 2:6 in MSG, TLB, NLT, AMP,GNT etc and see if Jesus and God are not equal.

Equal in what sense?

Philipians 2:6 does not say they are/were ever equal... it says Christ did not consider it right to drag equality with God..in other words just like Satan considered it right to be equal to God and ascend his throne to the highest. But in the long run, he is not equal either.

I have been posting 1 Cor 15:24-28 have you been reading it at all?

The father is always dishing out command and instructions to the Son and never the other way round so how and when did they become equal and even the same person?

Even Christ said this himself...God is one and only true God Deu.6:4

bingbagbo:
[s]Jesus is YHWH of the old covenant

This is truth [/s]

Ask me anything, I dey for you


Jesus is God!

As simple and as common and precised as John 3:16 is...it shows that you don't understand it. Smh!

I have never been a fan of tithing...In as much as it is not compulsory either ways...I prefer tzedeqah (almsgiving) to it.

Jacksonville:
You are double minded.. You earlier said there was nothing like 'God the son ' , hence denying the deity of Christ.. If Jesus is God and a son to the father whom is equally God, then what is he? Isaiah, 9:6 Says Jesus is the MIGHTY GOD and EVERLASTING FATHER...

I'm sorry if you don't understand the difference and implication between God the son and Son of God.

Like I said "God the son" implies that the same father is the Son. Which is wrong

OK let's do it this way
Yahweh= God the father
Jesus = Son of God or Son of Yahweh

I can say Yahweh the Father which is God the father..i will still be making sense.
Now if I say "Yahweh the Son" doesn't that sound incorrect to you and simply implies that same Yahweh is Son? And you and I know that they are two different persons.

You can be called a "son to your father" or " Son of your father" but you can't be called "father the son" or "father of the son"
But still that doesn't make you and your father not being both HUMAN Beings right?. Same applies to GOD the father and his Son Jesus Christ.

You might want to flip through your Bible and dig out at least a single verse from the Bible that calls or address Jesus Christ as God the son. But I can bet you that Numerous verses of Christ confirming that he is the Son of God are well littered inside the scriptures.

Isaiah 9:6 is neither a bone of contention here in fact the verse is in agreement so far. The holy spirit takes what is of Christ and reveal to us, Christ takes what is of God the father and reveal to us.

joshnes:
Oh OK, YAHWEH is the Almighty God, while Jesus is THE MIGHTY GOD, in other words, there are two different Gods, Eh? Hear yuasef.

Yes two different entities. Also if you choose to call the two different Gods so be it for you

Yahweh is not Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ is not Yahweh

This you must understand. Yahweh sent Jesus the Son.

John 8:42 "Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me."

John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Eph. 4 :4-6 "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

1 Cor. 15:24 -28 "Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

I hope you read and understand those scriptures.

Stop equating the Son to the Father. They are not!

MsNgo40:
Brother,
You are correct....the sons of God were humans...not angels.
Here is speaking about good versus evil...God vs. satan....holiness versus unholiness.
The two can never mix....and be acceptable and Holy to God..
Holiness becomes tainted...if mixed with unholiness.
Just as you will never have a pure substance of either "oil" or "water" if the two are mixed.
Angels were never created to procreate with humans being nor can they....
The words chosen were figurative...not literal.

The verse would have rather say " sons of Seth" instead of sons of God.

Nephillims existed.

Were angels meant to eat because...it was said that three angels including the lord ate with Abraham before they head to sodom and gomorah to destroy it.

Angels can take human forms and in so doing they can have all human attribute in this form.

These falling angels were said to have left their original state.

harbjar:
Yes... Funny enough thats the same way jesus greeted in his days

"And as they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you." - New Testament (Luke 24:36
Christans claim to follow jesus but they don't follow his ways.... Shame

Was that part of any commandment to us? No!
It's just a courtesy greeting of good tidings and well wishes from one person to another.

Lesson: Always know what to lay importance on.

Take back your shame

joshnes:
The prophecy of Isaiah in Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given and the government shall be upon his shoulders and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace". Jesus is called by Isaiah "The Mighty God" and the "Everlasting Father". I don't know about you, but I believe those titles belong to God alone.

Yes! Jesus is called mighty God not Almighty God
God the father is Almighty God

Yes! Jesus is everlasting father as the head of the church and all that God the father has given and created through him.

Read 1 Cor. 15 :25-28
Yahweh is Jesus God

harbjar:
Its asalamun alaikum.... May peace be upon you

Must I say mine in Arabic?

Shalom Aleikhem is the same thing as peace be unto you but in Hebrew

saintmark88:
All these one is long talk, who spoke n verse 22??.....God made the Rev to Angel I agree... But that's not the ansa to d q...who spoke??

In verse 22, its a direct statement of someone...who is it....read the verse very well and tell me who spoke....pls be sincere??

Verse 22 or chapter 22...be more specific.

And what direct statement of who? God, Jesus, Angel or John? Pick one

saintmark88:
Nairalanders pls help me.beg this man to ansa my question. The ansa to this question might just shake the foundations of this mans faith.

Rev 22:12-13.......who made the statement....Jesus or Jehovah.

Wen he ansas first den he can now quote all the scriptures n d world to support his ansa.

That's how to have a headway, not quote scriptures left, right n center n yet no ansa

God made this Revelation of Jesus Christ through an Angel and to John in Rev 22:12-13

You can see that in verse 6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

And in verse 16
" I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

You will get a clearer understanding if you also read Rev. 1:1-8

Revelation From
God > Jesus > an Angel > John

saintmark88:
Nope bro,.I have a problem with someone who tinks otherwise...tot u did

Alright

Shalom Aleikhem!

harbjar:
Still doesn't make sense.... Well...

Lol!

Shalom Aleikhem!