₦airaland Forum

aim5:
I'm just mad when they undermine the Edo people. I give credit where credit is due and I'm not biased when others are great at something. Yeah my dad is from Ekpoma.

Oh! Esan guy

bokohalal:
Ibadan WAS NOT a city of NOTE in pre-colonial Nigeria. Her influence, if at all, did not go beyond its immediate neighborhood unlike Benin City which was known already around the world before Ibadan founding ever thought of. There is no comparison between Benin and Ibadan,or any city in Southern pre-colonial Nigeria, for that matter.

What nonsense are you saying? Ibadan was capital of the Yoruba area from 1829, Immediately taking control of many yoruba towns outside it's immediate neighborhood

What neighborhood does benin city have? It's a small tiny city compared to Ibadan, and Edo speaking area is also very tiny so what is this neighborhood that Benin city influenced that makes Benin city the only city in pre-colonial Nigeria

Note am talking city and not Kingdom

scholes0:
Ewe is Majority Bight of Benin, with minor Gold coast influences.
They, together with others in the Gbe language family are mostly Yoruba genetically.

Aren't most west africans linked genetically? and with the many cases of intermarriage between yorubas and Ewes

Or are you thinking something deeper than this?
Oh! I see the Amedzofe origin. The people of Amedzofe were driven westwards by the invading Ketu from Ife

I don't see the special genetic connection between Ewe and Yoruba there

aim5:
True. The Yoruba influence is strong in Cuba, Brazil and other parts of the Americas I'll give you guys that. Ever since 2000, I've always connected Cuba to Yorubaland.. there's always been a connection between them and you guys.

Cool. Why are you attacking yorubas here
Are you Edo?

bokohalal:
Ibadan was formed in 1829. 1829!

Ibadan started out much longer than that but yeah It developed into a city at 1829

However you said pre-colonial ..1829 is precolonial

toludadon:
I presume you are the stupid one here, you called a true son of Ile oluyole a Yoruba wannabe? The point is that Oduduwa didn't come from the Middle East, he was the son of the last ogiso of Benin that was supposed to be killed on the order of the Ogiso due to the influence of one of his wives who accused him of bewitching his father's wives and preventing all of them from giving birth to a male child. Those were supposed to execute him saw his innocence, hence they told him to flee and he moved in a direction that was East of Ile Ife, with stopover at places like Owo, he had to move farther because he realized that Owo was still part of Benin Kingdom and he could easily be found out.. He moved to Ile Ife and met Yoruba speaking people there who he told that he was from heaven, an attribute of the Ogiso, who believe that a king is born not elected as it is still practiced today in Benin Kingdom that a successor to the throne is named at his birth. He was made king in Ile Ife as the first Ooni after which he gave birth to many children including Oranmiyan. When his father died in Benin , they appointed an administrator who looked over the kingdom but made attempt to make his son his successor, it was at that point that the people of Benin revolted against him and made him know that the son of the late Ogiso was still alive as against the earlier believe of having being killed, hence they sent a delegation to Ile Ife to go and fetch Oduduwa who refused to follow them and instead told them that he had found a home in Ile Ife. When they realized it would be impossible to get him to yield to their demand, they asked for one his sons to follow them, which he obliged by sending Oranmiyan to follow them, that is what was erroneously recorded as Yoruba people sent a king to Benin , the said king was a descendant of Oduduwa who qualifies to be called a Benin royal blood through the outcast Oduduwa.. When Oranmiyan got to Benin he faced stiff opposition with the son of the administrator that wanted to also rule, he was ruling over Benin at that time and got married to a Benin woman who gave birth to a son named Iweka, Oranmiyan brought yoruba language to Benin and they began calling their kings as Oba instead of Ogiso they were used to, when the opposition became so much, he left Benin Kingdom in annoyance and called the land Ile Ibinu which later metamorphosed to Benin.. His son Iweka became the first Oba of Benin.. Oranmiyan left for Oyo to become the first Alaafin,.
If Oduduwa came from Mecca, how come it was not documented in any Arabian history?
Move beyond grandstanding and find out the truth about how yorubas came to be..
Our historians should take a position to decide whether yoruba people descended from Oduduwa or there were already Yoruba people that Oduduwa met at Ile Ife.
Like I told you, omo Ibadan nile oluyole, ilu ogunmola, ilu ibikunle, ti n je igbin jekarahun , Ibadan maja maja ti won fi n ko ara iwaju lejo

Stop believing this Benin lie. Benin chiefs know the truth. Ekaladerhan most likely died at Ughoton

Let's even imagine Oduduwa was Ekaladerhan. ..There's no way benin people will know that and Ife wouldn't

Oduduwa and Ekaladerhan have different personality
1. Oodua was not a hunter
2. Oduduwa was not a healer
3. Oduduwa was not a forest dweller

He was a fully established man in Ife and began plotting to usurp power from Obatala

No reference to Igodomigodo at all

bokohalal:
Go find out when and how Ibadan came about.

Ok tell me something I don't know

wytecat:
Are you hearing of Lamurudu for the first time? If no traditional institution talk about, did you then learn about him from Arab's history?

Lamurudu = Nimrod
Why would a muslim scholar write about them passing through Gobir if it didn't happen? Some Ijebus were the last to come after oduduwa, and came straight to our present abode, and that's what Awujale meant that some didn't go through Ile Ife.

True, Oduduwa didn't look anywhere for authority, but that doesn't mean that he didn't communicate with his root, reason Yoruba who migrated at different times still found each other in the new world. And my oriki has both Ife and middle east "omo Ife owodaye" in it.

Have the tomb of Moses or other great prophets been found?

No I've actually read Samuel Johnson's book - the was the popular book Declaring Oduduwa's father to be an Arab Monarch named nimrod

But to believe that means you've never thought over it. ..

Sir, no traditional institution talked about Lamurudu - infact that name comes as a surprise to our traditional custodians. .. which Olorisas speak of Lamurudu? I'll be glad for you to prove me wrong

Muslims would have propagated that lame story to justify their conversion to islam by creating a false connection with arabs

Also Ijebus didn't come from sudan or mecca. ..that's what people say in many books but the Ijebu-jesa where Obanta settled for a while and had a son is said to record a movement from Ife and no reference to sudan or mecca

Yoruba in the new world are descended from the people taken to the Americas during the transatlantic trade period

Nd u think Owodaiye is middle-east? Oh my! Who did this to you?
Owodaiye is a famous appellation for Ife. .. Ife owodaye is the first yoruba civilization that was destroyed by flood. Ile-Ife of today is the rebuilt Ife owodaye


What's my business with Moses? Am I to concern myself with Jewish ancestors?

@bigFrancis can you just quit the crap and be sincere with yourself?

The woman has ancestral links all over, the only ethnicity she can really hold on to is her father's: Ewe

It would be us making it into a joke to say Ewe-Igbo-Yoruba - Itsekiri - Scotish Woman

wytecat:
You must have skipped the rest of the thread if this is the most hate filled comment. No worse hate comment than the one that tries to rewrite history of a great heritage.

Lamurudu history is our history and it's real and we are proud if it. If you have your own theory, go ahead and type it here.

Our history? OK what is the meaning of Lamurudu? Where was he buried? What's his oriki?

How come no traditional institution in Yorubaland talks of Lamurudu?

Well, all I can say is Oduduwa was an Ife man until proven otherwise, his tomb is in Ife, he didn't look outside Ife for authority. .. absolutely nothing in common with arabs

bokohalal:
The period we are talking about there was no Ibadan and Lagos was a fishing village.

No Ibadan? sir go and find out more about Ilu Eba Odan

Well I blame Nigerian Educational system for the gross ignorance

Yoruba and Edo are brothers no need for this nonsense.

The many misinformation here sef is sickening

bokohalal:
Benin was the only city of note in the forest region in pre-colonial Nigeria. It would have been easy for the Empire to subdue and influence everyone around them.

Ahan. Ibadan, Lagos nko?

wytecat:
Two seconds glimpse is all your trash you typed below truly deserve and that's exactly what you got.

Bastardd, your type are all over SW lost and confused, completely wishing to forget your hometowns where you are from. You speak Yoruba pass the natives and bear Yoruba name, and even pretend to be Yoruba in most cases. My Etsako friend even write Yoruba while I can't, I've seen an ibo write Yoruba, so it's not new, find something else. Anyone can lift up a popular saying in Jamaica and use it but, it doesn't prove anything.

You will continue to live under Yoruba's shadow as it has always been, so don't think that now that we have opened your eyes, you can tell the history your forefathers dare not tell, you will only be disgraced, cos I can't even see you, your tribe's stand is miniscule and ain't worth a thing.

Hehehe! This is life, you people that were once like goats have something to say today.


I Guess you should go on an expedition to find your own Oduduwa cos the one that ruled in Ile ife had origin that had nothing, I mean absolutely NOTHING to do with "Benin" or wherever the blue hell that is.

Our Oduduwa's father is LAMURUDU.

too much hatred in this post oga mi.

True Oduduwa has nothing to do with Bini but he has even less than nothing to do with Lamurudu

That was a muslim lie constructed in the 19th century

Fulaman198:
The Baggara/Shuwa are Bedouin Arabs and thus are also nomads. So whilst they have been in Nigeria for a long time, they are always on the move between Nigeria, Niger Republic, Chad and Sudan.

I thought so

But this girl is fully settled in Lagos, goes to school and all like a normal lagos resident. ..she didn't seem like a member of a nomadic tribe
Imagine my surprise at her claim of being Arab

bigfrancis21:
I totally understand that you cannot read and comprehend a passage. That is fine.

I deliberately skipped all those posts of in previous pages cus I wasn't expecting any sincerity from all of you


Look at the article you quoted. ..unless you cannot read and comprehend. . You would see how far her Igbo connection is = her mother's grandmother
the article gives the impression that Deborah Adadevoh's Mother was the daughter of Nnamdi Azikiwe's aunt. ..and it would be a shocker to find out that Mr. Macintosh( Deborah's father) was Igbo
just imagine the length.

The only igbo claim here could arise if she assimilated into igbo culture and identity

I ask you:
do you know if your mother's grandmother was Igbo? Let's imagine she was Edo... does that make you Igbo - Edo?

bigfrancis21:
Please re-read the story again to get her full maternal ancestral gist.

Wulfruna has explained her igbo connection
So u think that makes her igbo?

Her mother's grandmother

do you know if your mother's grandmother was Igbo? Let's imagine she was Edo... does that make you Igbo - Edo?

bigfrancis21:
Thanks for the information. I had earlier searched to find out what tribe the Adadevoh family comes from in Ghana but was unable to find something useful.

So that makes Stella Ewe-Igbo-Yoruba then!

No that makes her Nigerian-Ewe

Her igbo and yoruba ancestry is to far behind in my opinion, her paternal grandmother was the last yoruba person in her ancestry and maternal great grandmother the last igbo

If families as prominent as Hebert Macaulay and Nnamdi Azikiwe weren't involved will anybody take note of her far igbo and yoruba connection?

Afam4eva:
I was referring to those who now speak Yoruba as a native language but not necessarily Yoruba.

Its only the fulani lineages that fall into this category

I still don't see why they confuse themselves. .. they have been heavily mixed and yorubanized already so what's the fuss

Afam4eva:
By language, Kwara is about 80% Yoruba. But by ethnicity is difficult to call. While those in the Offa axis are proud Yorubas, those in Ilorin are kind of divided. They are to Yorubas what Ika is to Igbos.

Excuse me! By language Kwara is roughly 95% yoruba... because the Bariba and Nupe speak yoruba alongside their native languages

By ethnicity 80%


Fulani descendants are the ones divided(due to mixed ancestry) and they are only in Ilorin - one town out of many

malvisguy212:
alright.

Alright what? That Jehova has cognitive dissonance or Bible indeed has contradictions

atbu1983:
from simple logic, benin account appear more accurate.

Which logic?

How can you force Ekaladerhan on over 40 million people

menabadoo:
Yorubas are the most confused set of people, I thought they said oduduwa fell from the sky, the history of Yoruba people is full of lies and uncertainties.

No. We don't say Oduduwa fell from the sky

Oduduwa is buried in Obadio's land in Ife. .. they were probably related. ..hence Oduduwa was in fact an Ife man who rose to prominence

The "east" he came from was only made popular by 19th century historians listening to muslims

phyllosilicate:
Very truth. The yoruba version has many unanswered questions. They say Oduduwa came from the east, but they say he came from egypt. Egypt isn't East of Ife, But Benin is.
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Also why would Benin, a kingdom that has had over 30 kings go and ask the King of Ife to govern them?
The Benin system of selecting Kings is different from that of major nigerian kingdoms. Unlike In Yoruba and hausaland were Governors pick the King, in the Benin the first Son of the Oba is the King. When Britain removed Oba Ovuoramen, they couldn't install a new a new one. When they wanted to put back an Oba in Benin, Benin chiefs did the same thing, they went to Calabar to look for the eldest son of Oba Ovuoramen (he had children from calabar women).
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This is the popular impression people have of Benin but actually. . There's been little Father-Son ascension
Most cases it's Brother - brother. In Ogiso era it was mostly oldest man in the kingdom

Father - Son began with Ogiso Oriagba(23rd Ogiso) and ended with Ogiso Owodo(30th) it wasn't to ever occur again after Owodo had no surviving heir and the dynasty be riped apart
Eweka dynasty(started late 13th century) was Brother - Brother until Oba Ewuakpe(early 18th century) ... almost 5 full centuries
From Oba Ahenzae(1641) Bini used the yoruba system of Royal houses nominating a candidate. Oba Ewuakpe was made Oba by that system in 1700

The father - eldest son ascension is only 3 centuries old...and not all Obas have followed this process. ..some younger brothers beat their eldest brother to it, causing a civil war


Btw in Yorubaland Governors don't pick the kings

The children of Ovonramwen didn't Change the dynasty, they didn't suddenly start being buried in calabar
If Oranmiyan was son of Ekaladerhan, his son Eweka wouldn't have changed the title from Ogiso to Oba

malvisguy212:
if your father is not merciful to All, is he a bad man for protecting you against those who wanted to kill you ?

The book of Jeremiah is a warning. Against isreal (God own people) doesent this mean that God love required justice ? There is NO place in the bible , God sanctioned killing without warning , if God is not merciful to thoes He destroyed, NO need for 'the' warning. Am I right ?

My father is not merciful to ALL

Jehova however is a merciful God to ALL, according to the bible

So any act of mercilessness is not supposed to be attributed to Jehova... unless Jehova has cognitive dissonance

malvisguy212:
actually, Jeremiah 13 was a warning against isreal, infacte , if you read the context, is a parable. Your father is merciful, if he punished those who seek to killed you , will you called him evil ?

Sorry my father is not merciful to all


Nd this isn't about evil, but contradiction and confusion.


Bible said Jehova is merciful to all, yet associated him with brutality... Jehova must be suffering from cognitive dissonance

malvisguy212:
two different context, Jeremiah 13 was 'a' warning against isreal and psalm 149 was talking about Love for All , yes God love everyone and that love required justice.
Just like the world interceded and
destroyed Nazi Germany to protect the people of the world from violence, God did likewise. God destroyed the land in the time of Noah because of the violence it was filled with (Genesis 6:13). God destroyed Sodom and Gomorra because of the violence that it was filled
with (Genesis 13:13), and the fact that there was not one righteous man living there (Genesis 18:16-25).

You didn't comprehend those simple words.


A person said to be merciful to all cannot be brutal to anyone

Wulfruna:
Oh no. Nnamdi Azikiwe's aunt (that is, Zik's father's sister) was Dr Ameyo's great grandmother maternally.

@ Bigfrancis, changing the thread's title - in my own opinion - isn't necessary at all. It made it look like this whole thing is a big deal and it's not.

And left to me, all those posts where she was yelling ashewo at me would be unhidden. Especially the one where I was raped by four (or is it five?) German shepherds. I like to see people embarras themselves with such childishness.

Oh I see, and so what's this whole argument about her being igbo or yoruba...I'll probably read it all later tho

She's clearly Ghanaian ... either Akan, Ewe or Ga-Adagbe

Scholar8200:
Is that the result of your personal research or something you hear people say? Modernists may opine that to sedate their conscience but I dont find that principle in Scripture.

Are you saying a man cannot obtain salvation by accepting jesus?

Not a fan of Islam but the op lacks sense. ..such confusion
A real pity

Dumbasses everywhere


Old testament = old written scripts by the Jews
New Testament = new written script by Europeans

malvisguy212:
People do not reject the Bible because it contradicts itself, but because it contradicts them!

PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons against each other, said the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.


So is Jehova merciful or brutal. .. one cannot be both