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finofaya:
I can't even make sense of your question. Gather your thoughts please.

Lemme help you. The Mary Jane is obviously weed

finofaya:
. Exactly. I'm interested in God as a person, not as something else that is personified.

I know. . I've been reading through the thread

Folykaze is just bored
I expect he should understand your position already


More nicely put, you are interested in the God of Abrahamic religions

FOLYKAZE:
Na question I ask you Oga.

I don't understand ur question

[quote author=lampardizik post=37793995][/quote]God is a HE?

Joshthefirst:
Don't be hasty. I never said God doesn't care. I said God is not threatened by anyone or anything.
Disbelief is idiocy and the height of foolishness and self-delusion(like you reading only what the words you want to see in my post, the words that make you think you're justified in your foolish unbelief).

Anyone can know God. He has been revealing himself through the ages.

..since what can be known about God is evident among them, because God has shown it to them. For His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood through what He has made. As a result, people are without excuse.
Romans 1:19-20 HCSB
http://bible.com/72/rom.1.19-20.HCSB

The only reason we beg you and try to convince you to believe in Jesus Christ is because God cares about you, and we care too. But we know that if you do not accept salvation, you'll be gone. God is a just God.


I believe this answers most of the questions directed at me.

Please try and be logical in your perceptions of God next time, or at least try and be logical in your futile attempts to throw accusations at him to justify your unbelief.

No! GOD has not been revealing itself... we don't see imprints of Allah or Jehova in Nature. We see the manifestations of Energy not the work of God

No

lexiconkabir:
you just say that without refuting? how come that revelation that was made before the advent of telescope and contemporary science goes in line with hubble's discovery that the space actually expands?

Oga Ifa says the universe is expanding too. ..even gives better illustration than the quranic verse u quote
so that is not proof for allah

finofaya:
I'm only interested in God as a person. Can I correctly say that there is no such person as Iustice, Brahma, or Thor?

Well, yes there's no such person as Iustice (it's actually Iustitia not "iustice", Brahma or Thor
They are personifications, and as far as I know the idea of personification is giving human attributes to something that isn't a person

dejavski:
Ilaje is an ethnic group on it's own
Just like ijebus aworis

Same for Ekiti, Egba, Ife, Oyo, Ikale, Okun, Igbomina etc

Yet they are all part of a bigger group called YORUBA

FOLYKAZE:
Change God there to Idealogical Law.

Does it make sense?

dejavski:
I am ilaje

That's wat u claim...for whatever reason

And wat is Ilaje? What group is Ilaje under?

Chestar5:
go and propose naw

the silly things you read here

@Teeboy22, there's a difference between "Educated" and "Certificated"

dejavski:
But it's a fact they can't dispute na

Of course ....keep proving that you aren't yoruba

dejavski:
Do you know that the Benins were also occupants of ile-ife before?

If everyone in SW are not descendants of Oduduwa why do they generalise the entire SW as egbe Omo oodua? That's the main correction I am trying to highlight here

Oduduwa is the father figure of the Yoruba. A national identity
It's not necessary for all to have a direct connection with the man

cahnellven:
Nobody is discounting that .. Brotherhood is not achieved by relation alone, it is also achieved by association .

Don't forget that the yoruba nation as it is, does not really means descendants of oduduwa.
Oduduwa is just one man, everybody cannot come from his bloodline.
Remember, he's the leader of the old yoruba race but not the founder.

People precede him, like the ILAJEs for instance... That doesn't mean those preceding groups are any less yoruba

Nicely said

dejavski:
The ilajes are a subgroup of the Yoruboid linguistic..
Full Yorubas are descendants of Oduduwa.
NB: we ilajes are not his descendant. He met us in ile-ife

Wats all this nonsense? Oduduwa was king of Ife, Ilaje were part of that Ife like almost every other yoruba group today
Wat is full yorubas? Where can you find full yoruba?

Everyone cannot be descended from one man, it's the City we really look to

Tpia was right, most of you confusionists use the "we" tag to support an agenda

absoluteSuccess:
To the best of my knowledge, the ODO in 'EGBADO' is YEWA. The ODO is known as ODO ISALU at ADO. This unbilical-cord connects the two group. Yewa agrees with Awori because they both shared closely knitted history and culture than with the Egbas

Exactly! It should be Egba of the River(Yewa)
As you pointed out, they were probably Egba from Ibadan axis after the Lisabi saga

absoluteSuccess:
You and your fight with anything bible ehn I'm forced to nominate you as free citizen of heaven anytime the promo is on. I want to see the look on your eyes when Jesus says 'dear macof, my beloved son, chill. Take this key and be informed that you have been given a befitting mansion in my father's house.' The bolded is the truth, that was what really happened, circa 1840s-50s.

Well the version I know is that Egbas (Owu) conquered the whole area but yeah. ..maybe peace was struck and independence given to the Awori and Egbados at Onibuku. ..but "ibuku" here would mean "Ending a Problem"..nothing concerning Bible. ..most Egba generals couldn't care less about Bible

Goodboiyy:
Bro, The problem here is tat Effurun, Ekpan , Osubi re nt part of Warri, na because of the warri influence na make people they tag that place Warri, So wen we say Olu Of Warri those Niggas from Ekpan e.tc go they vex.

but The warri township re mostly URHOBo/ itsekiri .
maybe 60/40 or 50/50

Exactly! Just confusion. actually, nobody seems to be claiming another person's land

daxlasaint:
the traditional name(s) of warri TOWNSHIP is the names of the various communities that make up the areas that became warri township... this township was a planned city not along natural historical boundaries... The Iwerre you are talking about is Ode Itsekiri... Even the itsekiri communities in warri township had and still have their own names before warri was created... your namesake is not you... You can't claim a place simply cos it bears the same name as yours. And as to the issue of Egbaland, u are wrong... I have lived with Yorubas for more than 10 yrs and I know for certain that Obas granted lands in foreign lands pay homage to their overlords... Even the Oba of Benin recieves homage from more than a few urhobo kings by virtue of desent.

is ode - Itsekiri part of the warri you are fighting for ? why would I be talking of only ode - Itsekiri? Am talking of the entire land that belongs to Itsekiri - Which includes parts(or originally all) of Warri city.

Like I said blame the Europeans for the confusion.
Today land that probably never belong to Itsekiri is part of Warri Metropolis but that doesn't stop the Olu from being King of Warri(just another name for Iwere)...urhobo know their territory and can continue living comfortably

There's difference between Warri Metropolis and Warri Kingdom


you are telling me Olowu pays homage to Alake? Olowu who expanded the Egba nation? Oga there's no homage paying in Abeokuta. ..all the kings control their own respective people

absoluteSuccess:
Exactly, they probably came before the egbas arrived at Abeokuta from their former homeland at Ibadan at the zenith of power and fall of old Oyo. Egba did establish her hegemony upon the Egbados because they lack central cohession, she also fought to control Ota and lay siege against Ado, but the siege against Ado failed because Ado connects to Whydah from the creek (olisa ere lokan omi osa). The Egbas were frustrated, they short the border against themselves in a bid to punish Ado (for supporting Ota) At last, they agreed to a peace deal with Ado in a place called 'Onibuku', (holy book, where they sworn to maintain peace and order with the bible), Then bishop Ajayi Crowder reconcilled the two warring sides.

you are on your own with this @bold

daxlasaint:
But in the case of the Egbas these assimilated kings pay homage and tribute to the Alake as their overlord... can u say the same is the case with the Olu?

No, they are independent and work together to move Egbaland forward. think of it as cooperative governance over their people. ..the 4 groups look to their own kings
But the land really belongs to the Ake people


You know the problem with warri is that the battling groups speak different languages

You fail to realize that Iwere is the native name of Warri(all 3 Lga) and this land area is of mass far above the metropolitan city of warri....blame the Europeans for the confusion

The solution can only lay in truth. ...finding out the history of the various communities in the city and probably breaking it up if push comes to shove

Goodboiyy:
it hurts seeing people fighting over nothing... Let's Just 4get about This Olu of Warri stuff, Its just a title, which refers to Lord Of All Iwerre Land, Itsekiri never Said they Own all land in Warri, D Agbasa ,e.t.c re part of Urhobo land and we admit.

Just like some1 earlier said, OBA of Lagos doesn't mean Yoruba re d only Tribe in Lagos, its just that Yoruba re d founder. same with Iwerre (warri).

I hold nothing against Urhobo Cous am more Urhobo than my tribe, let's just 4get about all these, The most important tin is Peace, Let's come together.

;Dyou obviously have both urhobo and Itsekiri blood. ..you no wan choose one side

daxlasaint:
And I can tell u u just sprouted trash... are igbudu and agbassa not part of warri township or is your olu also a landlord there? If your Olu owns warri how come there are 3 kings in warri township area alone? Have u ever heard of a king that allows his sovereignty to be undermined in that manner? Having this arguement with you is an exercise in futility because if the last 50 years of this issue hasn't made istsekiri's admit the truth then I most definitely don't expect you to be reasonable either.

There are many reasons why kings share their power and authority with Leaders of later settlers. .. u once spoke Egbaland
I'll bring u to the capital of Egbaland - Abeokuta where there are 4 Kings, yet Alake is known as King of Egbaland
It could be to boost the labour force and strengthen the country, or just to avoid a brutal conquest

daxlasaint:
The only condition for linking a royal title to a particular town is that the people of that etnic group are native to that town alone, itsekiris should not sell their cow for a bucket of milk. He is the Olu of itsekiriland not of warri. Just like the oba of Egbaland and the Orodje of Okpeland.... the truth is the truth no matter how much we try to distort it. Any civilized and progressive human being must admit facts when the lie becomes untenable.

The Oba of Egbaland (Alake) doesn't Rule all Egbaland, he granted rights to other settlers who have clear independence from the Alake. ...so if you use this to compare the Warri issue, we can conclude that Olu allowed settlers - The urhobo and ijaw communities in Warri Metropolis

Egbado are Yewa. ..they are Egbado nd their territory is dubed "Yewa" cus of the Yewa river

Personally I've always considered them same as Egbas. ...probably Egbas moving to settle westwards

erico2k2:
I think they Ijaw. Itsekiri and Urhobos are closely related in tradition.dress same.have same food.marry in same way.though language differ but same kinda people.

Major difference are Language and origins

scholes0:
I ave noticed that the Ilaje, Owo, Ikale and to certain extents, the Idanre, Ondo and Ekiti dialects are infacts very very similar.
with Ilaje-Owo being most similar even though miles apart.

* These dialects have the presence of the fricatives
"Gh"...... which has been condensed to just 'W" in standard Yoruba
"Gw", "Kh",

* Words beginning with "U" which in standard yoruba would be an "I" like:
Ule - Ile, Isu - Usu, Use - Ise, Ugbo - Igbo, Etc

* Use variants of Dede, Kete and Gede to refer to an entirety ... like
Aghan oma Ilaje Dede (All the Ilaje children) , Oma Ekiti Kete (All Ekiti children) , Oma Ogho gede (All Owo children) Etc

* All have slower and more "melancholic" / "melodic" forms or kinds of music which involves a slow chanting, and calculated step orientated movement like the Binis-- with rhythmic swaying of the body from side to side, and graceful leg movements.

It is said that these South-Eastern dialects, are the most original form of Yoruba.... not the Oyo influenced generality that we all speak today.

And Et cettera.

Quite right, There's a pattern - Itsekiri - Ijebu/Ilaje - Owo - Ondo/Ekiti

Ekiti however don't have the Bini-like melody

dejavski:
Exactly my point
If the aworis, eguns, egbas, ijebus from the SW; ikwerres,ndokwas, agbors etc from SS can claim to be among the over 300 ethnic groups in Nigeria, I see no reason why the ilajes shouldn't be called an ethnic group

Of course these can all be said to be ethnic groups of their own but they are still yoruba (excluding Egun)

Nd for the Ikwere, Ika etc they are still igbo

Nigeria is just messed up. ..kids are taught to hate everybody as parents always seem to have horrible things to say about other groups

dtjns37:
he said " in this country nothing worth bringing back, they import everything". I think that's a myopic comment.
also, see d comment abt us importing intelligence.

Don't we import everything? Including intelligence?

anigbajumo:
Joke of d century,



Olowu
Alaketu
Omo N'Oba
Òràngún
Onisabe
Olupopo
Alaafin



Those ar the seven sons of ODUDUWA,any list apart frm dat is out of YORUBA history

when will you stop taking Samuel Johnson seriously?

Emilokoiyawon:
Thank you for correcting him. If he knew better he will be showing appreciation not playing childish games.

Lol