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wytecat:
Oloriburuku oloshi, may you be the next madman in your neighborhood.

Sissy, have you backed your own claim? My own people history lends credence to my claim.

What is more important is you were stopped on your insane "missing prince" track you were going.

you lack sense....obviously you are the only oloriburuku here. a person so stupid and lazy

what claim did I make? you are the one making claims here not me.... ridiculous claims at that... if only you could provide answers to my questions

Again am saying I am not Edo neither do I support that oduduwa was a Benin prince. why are you this blind?

Radoillo:
Good.

That leaves the second problem - finding enough non-Muslim Afonja descendants for the type of Obaship Fratermathy is suggesting.

Another problem is. ..
The palace of the Shehu(as he is called) is at the center of Yoruba dwelling. . Does he move his palace?

I think one thing people don't realize is that the Ilorin problem comes from later fulani settlers not the original fulani families that are descended from Alimi..because as far as I know Abdulsalami's appointment as head of the city was supported by the Yoruba Muslims(Afonja might have been betrayed by the fulani but the yoruba muslims didn't care)...his descendants are still styled "Shehu" I think meaning teacher. .Islamic teacher

How do the very muslim yorubas begin to create another title that will pretty much make no difference (other than splitting the city on ethnic lines of course)...this new leader will still be an Islamic figure and not a real Oba

Its all talk and no action.

So what is the way forward?
You've identified the problem, now what's the cause of the problem and how do we resolve it?

Radoillo:
Fratermathy,

The Afonja 'clan' itself is heavily Muslim. If my sources are correct, 99% of Afonja's descendants in Ilorin are Muslims. That would make your suggestion of a non-Muslim Afonja-descended Oba impracticable.

Also, when/if an Afonja-descended Obaship is created, how do you draw the geographical boundary between the realm of this Oba and the realm of the Emir as you suggested? Do the Ilorinians of Yoruba descent and the Ilorinians of Fulani descent live in exclusive territorial quarters of their own that would make this division of domains feasible?

Yes fulani descendants have their quaters, Popo gambari being the main one

bokohalal:
Now, I know that you are full of mischief. Very COLOURFUL!

Kindly show any other map around that time

It's not about colours but the territory marked

wytecat:
Foool, let's see what you got.
Can't you tell the full history of Oduduwa if you know it?

And who said Nimroid was an Arab? You are under some terrible influence, and going nuts.

Just counter Samuel Johnson and stop crying like EGBERE!

I've already told you Oduduwa was an Ife man probably from Omologun hamlet where his tomb is. What again are you interested in?

Your master Samuel Johnson said Nimrod aka Lamurudu was Arab from mecca(such pathetic nonsense). . Nd on this thread you've supported that

I didn't know you have the ability to sense crying over the Internet. ..are you a witch?

wytecat:
I knew exactly how you want this, iddiot! Go and ask your mother these silly questions at home, Ode!

I've already told you NINNY that if you can show me where Moses was buried, I will take you to where Lamurudu is too.

Mumu oshi, asking the question he should have asked those who gave birth to you an overgrown foool. Hope your mother is still alive, cos you need to go back in her womb to take your brain you forgot there.

Hear yourself again, ARINDIN AGBALAGBA, if Orimolusi got to ijebu ode before Obanta, does that not mean they came at different times? Btw, you can only tell your own history, and where you came from, you can't tell other's cos you don't know, and will only make you a liar.

Oduduwa didn't have to look anywhere for authority, he was more than capable, and he re-unite all Yoruba.

I couldn't care less where a man-biatchh like you is from, anyone can claim to be from anywhere on nairaland, just get a life.

Jobless low life, I don't know more than two lines of my own oriki, it's Lamurudu that is next?

Orisa schools you have lost your mind.

Why do Arabs need to have a record of him? That doesn't mean they don't, and not everyone in the middle east was an Arab.

You are so dumb to be asking questions I've answered twice already, ohh your problem is more of how to remove the Cataract in your eyes.


Why not humor me by telling me what you know about the history of Oduduwa.

Keep showing ur madness. A pity you cannot support ur claims with any evidence

bokohalal:
I couldn't find an Oyo Empire map from the 15th to the 18th century drawn by a European of that period. Kindly provide one from your archives.

West Africa 1625

There's no Map you see that doesn't portray Oyo as a much larger empire than Benin

basilo101:
1829? Its nt evn dat older dan Onitsha! Why d brown roofs?

It became a large city of repute in 1829 but it came into existence many centuries before then

There's a Dutch Embassy in Lagos na
Why would they go through French Embassy?

Something is fishy

rhahym:
Can we just try and be Nigerians for once!!!

Read all the comments here and you would know that this is impossible

Nigeria can never have unity. ..its no use deceiving ourselves

Emilokoiyawon:
Emilokoiyawon - literally means I am their mothers' husband. Actual meaning - I am superior to my enemies.

oga mi

scholes0:
Please na, stop this abeg...
How can Nimrod great grandson of Noah of the deluge be the father of Oduduwa?

Chisos....

About 5000 years between them if we follow bible chronology
Some people will believe anything

wytecat:
I think you are crazy for asking repeatedly, and like I said I know where you are going with this, I guarantee you, you will be sorry.

Hear it again, even ijebus came from different places at different times. Orimolusi wrote for his people and Awujale wrote for his people, and he's the longest serving Yoruba king, he should know Better.

Lamurudu was Oduduwa's father, and oduduwa was just the father of modern day Yoruba, he wasn't our progenitor. Again I'm not olorisha so I wouldn't know if they have him as part of their worship or not.

I know you are one of those who are lost and now wants to rewrite history to contain you.

I'm not your sister, and you better get off my mention to go and find your missing prince that was eaten by wild animals.

And you are crazy for not answering my questions

What nonsense? Orimolusi came from Ijebu ode before Obanta got to the city. . and Orimolusi has discarded the nonsense Sudan origin of the Ijebus


I am not Edo you fool, I am yoruba. Am not against this ridiculous Lamurudu claim in favor of Ekaladerhan. Am Against Both


Please answer my questions and prove that Lamurudu is Oduduwa's father
1. Where was Lamurudu buried
2. What's his oriki
3. How come Oduduwa didn't look to arabs for authority
4. What Orisa school in Yorubaland speaks of Lamurudu. . Surely if the story is authentic It should have been recorded by the Olorisas in Ife and other places
5 . any arab records of Lamurudu and Oduduwa?

wytecat:
I disagree.
Lamurudu was Nimroid.
Give me two reasons why he wasn't.

1. Oduduwa lived 12th/13th century
2. Nimrod was not arab but Summerian from Mesopotamia around 4000 Bc


You have to be really gullible to take Samuel Johnson seriously

9jacrip:
LOL their need to really come off as an empire is the reason they are claiming to establish everything recently.

Here: noun: empire; plural noun: empires

an extensive group of states or countries under a single supreme authority, formerly especially an emperor or empress.

a group of nations or peoples ruled over by an emperor, empress, or other powerful sovereign or government:

a group of countries or regions that are controlled by one ruler or one government; especially.


Benin did not conquer, subjugate or control states, peoples, countries, regions outside of places under already Ogiso influence save for Lagos Island and Owo - Trade/Army post and Art exchange?

It is like saying Ile-Ife became an empire when Oduduwa consolidated the 13 hamlets.

Oh no the Ogiso dynasty didn't build the Empire the Obas did

iamord:
but what is all this segregation about.?? It's not cool. She is Ghanaian Nigerian pere.

Right, but people here seem hung up on her ethnicity

9jacrip:
Lol!

Ondo? Maybe Owo who have been influenced largely by a bit of Benin art and also influencing Benin with Yoruba art yet they hold on fast to their Yoruba identity.

Ekiti? Lol. You Benin lots will claim anything.

Ooni? The king who validates your throne ascension.

Eko?

In serious research works, Benin is referred as a 'Kingdom' but only Benin writers refer to it as an empire and I wonder what makes it an empire?

They even say They established ondo


But I would agree that Benin was an empire. .not Large but empire is empire

bokohalal:
I don win. Start crying. You ask for West. I mentioned Eko. Is Eko in the South? Lagos Island can influence the rest of Yoruba land.
Ask Ondo and Ekiti people,too. Ask Ooni. Ask Oba Eko.
Salud!
Next!

Can you conquer/ or is it Found a land and still be calling someone else land owner?

bokohalal:
Eko!
Idah!
Benin Empire is more prominent , and was more powerful , than Yoruba Oyo empire .

am sure Benin was the most powerful in the world. Benin empire reached Europe
Afterall "Oba owns the land till the land of the white men" popular benin chest beating saying


Really I love Bini folk but this competition you try to build against yoruba cannot go well for you. Oyo empire held from Volta river in Ghana to eastern flanks of Yorubaland

EnlightenedSoul:
Are you honestly telling me appearance should be relevant when it comes to professional accomplishment?

Appearance gives first impression. . Its always relevant in everything

GooseBaba:
True talk..men his age, married for that long are perverts.. They salivate but can't touch.

Like our friend kolooyinbo
Only that the mumu no think of marriage until he reach ripe old age

wytecat:
First of all, there's more than one gender on this forum, so when in doubt, just leave the "sir" part out of it.

That Johnson's account is the real thing, and until you can present us your own about how Oduduwa and some Yoruba came to be, not tid bits but full account, you are just a troll. I kinda know where you are going with this.

Not everyone in the middle east is Muslim, and though the religion of Lamurudu and Oduduwa wasn't clear, I believe they were traditionalists later on. I need to do more findings on this. Muslims didn't make up any story, Nimroid himself was a Christian at one point.

I'm not Olorisha so I wouldn't know if they use the name, but Lamurudu and Oduduwa sojourn were recorded, and it was clear.

Talk only about what you know. Only Ijebu ode is Obanta, the Ijebu NE are not, there are ijebus from Ile Ife and some from the old world/civilization like "Owodaye" of the middle east. You can only speak for yourself, Awujale's palace has hundreds of years worth of information about ijebu's origin.

Well. Awujale cannot be more correct than All other yoruba kings including Orimolusi, who have recorded Ife origin for the Ijebu
Orimolusi is in fact a much historical position than Awujale. Orimolusi was afterall established before the Awujale

As you a brother/sister I'll hate for you to keep with the ignorance. ..some years ago I too would have argued the Lamurudu claim if not the total absence of evidence and more incorrect junk in Samuel Johnson's book. .another one is the origin of Saki which he did nonsense on. .. the sons of Oduduwa, saying he had only one son when all over Yorubaland Oduduwa's sons are nothing less than 16

You couldn't even answer the questions I asked about Lamurudu. .. things that should be easy to answer if he was a Yoruba ancestor and not a fictional character

As I've said religious propaganda has to be moved out. Only traditional institution can tell yoruba history. .

EnlightenedSoul:
I don't blame her at all. I understand completely. She had every right to respond as she did.

If she had called him out as a pervert that he seemed to be but a sexist? Come on. . For complementing a photo?

EnlightenedSoul:
LinkedIn is a career networking website - thats definitely not the purpose of the site! Sagamite actually went as far as to suggest women removing professional profile photos completely to avoid being hit on by immensely stu.pid characters. What does that tell you? And yet the feminist is painted crazy?

you both just takin this personally. I hold both to blame tho

Sagamite:
The reality there is that if she was late 30s and single looking to marry and he was a 6ft4 thirtysomething year-old who is a partner in a law firm making £1m+ a year and he complemented her that she looked beautiful, she would not say he was "sexist".

She would be looking at how to encourage him to take her on a date and make him put a ring on it.

She would not say "this is LinkedIn, you are not suppose to approach and date people on it".

Her concept of "sexism" is being wooed by a man she is not interested in.

Bloody lunatic feminist!

highly probable
..she's almost half his age.. maybe that's what pissed her off

EnlightenedSoul:
LinkedIn is a career networking website - thats definitely not the purpose of the site! Sagamite actually went as far as to suggest women removing professional profile photos completely to avoid being hit on by immensely stu.pid characters. What does that tell you? And yet its the feminist thats painted crazy?

it's actually very funny. One wonders if the Woman is always so hard and tough or she was just having a bad day with work, cus I think her reaction was uncalled for..worst turning this into Sexism. What happened to simply ignoring a pervert?

Sagamite:
You can complement a picture ANYWHERE you see it.

Lets all come back to the normal and common sense world. The world feminists don't live in.

If for any reason, someone on LinkedIn feels the direction of a discussion is not one they want to go, they should just say so to the driver to that direction.

Easy as ABC.

Not go crazy like a typical lunatic feminist.

I completely agree . I was just making my observations

bokohalal:
It is pointless arguing with you. I thought you knew better.

Of course I know better. ..better than you it appears

Sagamite:
So what medium is approved by "whoever/whatever" for complementing photos?

Well I don't think that should be the first point of call on LinkedIn

Not that it's any matter to take that seriously.. the woman might truly be crazy but the man seems like a pervert (I wouldn't say sexist)

EnlightenedSoul:
How would you feel if, in your professional sphere, you were constantly being assessed by your physical appearance and so-called beauty rather than all your accomplishments, almost in spite of your accomplishments? Why should my boss or colleagues comment on something as irrelevant as my appearance at every turn? Why should a LinkedIn profile created specifically to showcase professional experience and qualifications be used as a medium to hit on women? Is this Facebook?? She took a stab at responding to irritating af behavior I try my best to ignore, and not let bother me on any given day. And I'd bet $1000 it wasn't the only comment of its kind she'd gotten that day, hence the outburst.

He neither afforded her any opportunities nor gave her any cogent offers in the idio.tic e-mail he actually took the time to write, but to offer her his "vote" on being the 'Most Stunning LinkedIn Profile Picture' as if it were a thing of value to line her pockets with. Lol, screw him. Reading that, I share in her annoyance.

I understand that was not the medium for complementing Photos but. ..Appearance is irrelevant?

If you work diligently and accomplish things why won't people recognize that?