₦airaland Forum

gabazin080:
Thomas

Oga wat concerns Makeda with Sungbo Eredo?
Think and stop being gullible. ..

Shikena:
Absolutely not.
Ponder on the following:
1.) The reference to Ile-Ife as the cradle of Yoruba civilization is not in reference to royal superiority. None of the Yoruba royalty stayed back in Ile-Ife.
2.) Ile-Ife existed before the Yorubas (Oduduwa and his descendants) migrated to the place and oral history claimed that they met people there. The Yorubas were said to be escaping the Jihadists that's why some version claimed that they were coming down from Mecca. It could have been anywhere around Sudan.
3.) We should stop mixing or confusing Ifa mythology with actual Yoruba history. The world did not start at Ife, even the Yorubas were not originally from Ife. All the Orunmila, Ela, Agboniregun stories establishing Ile-Ife as the source were from Ifa mythology.
4.) Neither Oduduwa nor his direct descendants were indigenes of Ile-Ife and were not born in Ile-Ife. They got to Ile-Ife as adults and Oduduwa decided to make Ife his home being too old to continue with any adventure.
5.) The direct descendants continued with their migration and founded their respective domains and kingdoms.
6.) Oranmiyan was the first to leave Ile-Ife with his team of warriors who were retracing their migration steps up north to fight some communities across River Niger who were hostile to them during the Southbound trip.
7.) They got to the bank of River Niger when the tide was too high to cross and had to retreat back. They were not only warriors they were also hunters and they moved down south where the settled at the beautiful plains of Oyo Ile. It naturally grew and expanded into the only empire in Yoruba history.
8.) On Sango, Oranmiyan married a Nupe woman, who gave birth to his son Sango, during the migration through what is known as Niger State today.
9.) Sango returned to live in Nupe land with his mother's people where he met and married Oya who became his queen during his reign at Old Oyo where he succeeded his brother, Ajaka.
10.) Back to Ile-Ife and Ooni. Ooni was the title of the elder that was appointed as the caretaker of the household as none of the direct descendants of Oduduwa opted to stay back in Ile-Ife, hence the alias of Arole Oduduwa that stuck till the last Ooni ascended the position in 1980.

Only 7,8 & 9 are correct

It's so disturbing that many yoruba don't know a thing about the yoruba history. ..I used to think yoruba history was the most secure but apparently with lazy folks and confusionists we are in deep trouble

Shikena:
Oba Sijuwade's legacy of manipulating Yoruba history is actually working and turning the history of traditional institution in Yorubaland into a joke. Around the period when the late Ooni died I stumbled on his website http://theooni.org/ and couldn't help but feel sad for Yoruba race. Never in the history of Yoruba has anyone addressed any Ooni as Iku Baba Yeye Alase Ekeji Orisa. Only the Alaafin is addressed that way. Even during the full glory of Oba Adesoji Aderemi the most you see was Arole Oduduwa, and that has always been the historical alias of the Ooni.

I particularly recall those bitter 'fights' between Obas Sijuwade and Adeyemi throughout the 80s until the creation of Osun State. It always end with Alaafin telling the Ooni that he is not a direct descendant of Oduduwa. That was always the final climax that Ooni never had any answer for.
Another episode was the installation of MKO Abiola as the Aare Ona Kakanfo of Yorubaland. Ooni Sijuwade not only openly challenged the authority of the Alaafin to appoint anyone as a 'global' Yoruba chief but ignorantly went to court where the legitimacy of the global Yoruba institution of Aare Ona Kakanfo and the authority of the Alaafin was upheld. It was a definitive judgment that could not even be challenged with an appeal at any level.

After that episode in 1988 and several embarrassing encounters with the Alaafin on the history of Yoruba traditional institution which placed Ooni as a spiritual father and the 'caretaker' (Arole) of the house of Oduduwa at the place where Oduduwa found peace and could no longer continue with the sojourn, Ooni Sijuwade decided that it's time to come up with a more favorable history. The history has always been variants of how the sons of Oduduwa individually continued the 'sojourn' and established their respective domains. The most powerful one established the land of warriors that later became the only empire in Yoruba history - Oyo Empire - the rest were kingdoms. None stayed behind in Ile-Ife but the symbols and other acts of Yoruba traditional worship remained at the focal point in Ile-Ife under the custody of the Arole.

New Yoruba history books started surfacing in libraries from 1992 upwards including a list of past Oonis with Oduduwa himself listed as the 1st Ooni of Ife. Even the deity, Ogun was listed as one of the Oonis. Some versions placed Oranmiyan who founded Oyo as the 2nd Ooni, other versions placed him as the 4th while others insist he was the 6th Ooni of Ife.

Some school of thought believe that the established version that placed the Ooni as the custodian of the faith/worship aspect of Yoruba tradition and not part of the Oduduwa royalty was reinforced by the Oyos at the height of Oyo Empire's glory and they believe that Ooni Sijuwade's acts only right the wrongs of history I still find the entire situation quite interesting and that brings to mind the quote attributed to Adolf Hitler "He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future. Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it. The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."

You have a problem with Sijuade, many people did. ..but that doesn't diminish the status of the Olufe(aka Ooni)


Yoruba say, aa le gba Ile Baba lowo omo. ...hence the Arole of Oduduwa cannot be an outsider but his son

This is not about Sijuade but about the Ooni(50 different individuals have been on that stool, and the first was Oduduwa) so talk about the other past Oonis and not Sijuade alone

anigbajumo:
Is oni among the seven son of oduduwa?

Oduduwa had nothing less than 16 sons and the Ooni is the son of his eldest son

gabby227:
Just confirmed the one of Calabar high school Jamaica its a male school. What a coincident. Who copied who now? Or maybe they are related or something, dnt get it actually.

Jamaicans are descended from various ethnicities from nigeria to Ghana

gabazin080:
Cool facts. Good to know.


another true but hard to believe fact is that one of King Solomon's wife was buried in my hometown of OKE ERI close to ijebu ode in ogun state

www.informationng.com/2015/06/confirmed-biblical-queen-sheba-died-and-buried-in-nigeria-photos.html

Very unlikely. ..this story is not news but it lacks strong evidence
This was most likely made-up by earlier muslims in Ijebu

So Rihanna is probably of yoruba descent

bokohalal:
@macof, Bini history has it that the banishment of Ekaladerhan led to the end of the Ogiso dynasty. You have to have stronger and more persuasive evidence as to why we have the Ogiamien family today in Benin Kingdom. The progenitor of the Ogiamiens,Evian, who became the leader of the Republic due to the discontinuance of the Ogiso dynasty , the opposition to Orominyan when he entered Benin, the Ekiokpagha treaty that allowed the Oba a foothold in Benin,could not all have been made up. They are all linked to Ekaladerhan.

How does that link to Ekaladerhan?

If The Obas (sons of Oramiyan) were truly the descendants of the Ogiso why would Ogiamien sell their father's land to them? Especially when ogiamien wasn't descended from the Ogiso
Why would the Uzama have equal power with the Oba prior to Oba Ewedo who ssuppressed them?
Why would Ogiamien say Oba is not acceptable in the land prior to the treaty? Why would they even be called Oba if they were just an extension of the Ogiso lineage? Why were Obas prior to Oba Ovonramwen taken to Ife at death?

anigbajumo:
Go back 2skul nd learn history,

Alaafin is the true son of ODUDUWA wheras ONI is not.


Alaafin has been ruling OYO since OYO empire/OYOMESI time.

U ar wrong bro

So Alafin is the only son of Oduduwa? Ooni actually is a son of Oduduwa

Before Oyo there was Ife, Owu, Ijebu

Rotimi47:
Alafin is superior to Oni if you talk about Yoruba history but Oni became very popular in modern day Yoruba land and also due to ife being the cradle of Yoruba civilization.

Isn't Ife being the cradle of yoruba civilization enough reason for the Ooni to be above the Alaafin?

lonelydora:
Oga Jona, since you left Aso rock, i no longer enjoy cold water because all my water are blocked. The petrol i bought since 2 months ago is still in my petrol bunker.

i don't regret voting for CHANGE although i am one of the 5% voters.

iF only you aren't ignorant. .you would know that you need to thank GEJ for the improved power supply not buhari
This started with the former president, the current one hasn't even started working on any projects

plaetton:
I don't know what you mean or arguing against.

According to the bible, for those that believe in it, the Elohim, the plural of EL (god), who supposedly created earth and every life in it, were not native to earth.

Anything not native to earth is ALIEN.
Do you not understand that simple definition?

Oh I understand. ..ifeness seemed to be talking of anthropomorphic beings from outer space

onuwaje:
Warri north, south and south-west

There r itsekiri settlements in uvwie, okpe(both in delta state), ondo and edo

So Itsekiri land is just warri

Ugbo's story is commonly taken as "Ilaje history" wat of Mahin and the others

bokohalal:
It has been suggested that Ugbo has the answer to the Benin/Ife controversy but does not want to upset some powers.

That made up Ekaladerhan stuff?

plaetton:
The Elohim /god that is believed to have created Adam and Eve were Obviously not from earth.

Doesn't that FACT make them aliens?

I wouldn't say "obviously"


Btw saying the bible projects aliens as the creators of humans is also saying aliens created the earth

ifeness:
Learn to ignore my comments as I do ignore yours.

So you don't know where in the bible aliens created you?

Goodboiyy
Why do you keep saying Ogun or Oyo?

Ijebu is close to both Ilaje and Itsekiri..and Ijebu is in Ogun

Demmzy15:
Which info?

The info in ur last post

Apart from Warri, what other areas make up Itsekiri land? Am not talking settler communities but real Itsekiri

ifeness:
Most of you who read the Bible everyday are still blind anyway. The bible is written in codes for the wise and knowledge seekers,not those who follow it religiously like Twitter. Ignorance is bliss tho,millions of Christians are so ignorant of the fact that Aliens created our human body

All this deliverance and Spiritual battles are all jokes. SCIENCE,SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY is the Savior of humanity!!!

Where in the bible did aliens create u?

EasternLionn:
Did you read what Cheruv said earlier?

No. Repost it cus I can't figure out wat post u talking about

Joshthefirst:
Finofaya, God doesn't owe you anything. I wonder what image of God you have in your head. Cursing, or refusing to believe in his existence doesn't move or change him in any way. He still remains God, and he works with those who believe. Simple.

Imagine you're God Almighty who created all things and transcends all, would you be bothered if some people refused to believe in you? I don't think so. You'd do things your way, and have mercy on whomever you choose to have mercy on, and kill whomever you choose to kill. Because you're God. Some Idio.ts think God is threatened by their

disbelief. Quite foolish if you ask me.

But why do Christians like you, threaten non Christians especially atheists of the horror God will do if they continue with disbelief? Will a God that doesn't care if you believe or not bother punishing you for your disbelief?

Actually it's your type that make god seem like he is threatened by our disbelief...we only speak out what we read from your utterances about God

EasternLionn:
And you are very wrong.
You want me to prove it to you?

pls do

Adding Igala, Idoma, Ijaw, Efik etc while Igbo will want to dominate everybody and take over their land and resources with their power of numbers

The worst thing for SS (exception of Anioma, Ikwere) is to follow Biafra cus they will be greatly marginalized by Igboid language speakers

Wats the point having another country with the same problems Nigeria is having - disunity?

Ijaw, Edo, Efik etc can form their own nation independent of Biafra

Igala, Tiv, Idoma, Jukun, Gwari, Nupe, Bariba all rather be with Nigeria than be kicked into a box to fight the Igbo or Fulani for power that they know they cannot get

danthamccoy:
You made it look as if you know the whole of abuja hence the question. Maybe if you'd thought about it a bit before replying, it would have made sense. Maybe.
You don't go around the whole of Nigeria so you are in no position to make that kind of assertion. There is no 'constant' electricity in Nigeria and the best we can hope for is what we are getting in most places at this point in time. I have been in Calabar for over a week and we have not put on the gen. Not once in a week.

Wats this man saying? I don't have light now in Kubwa Abuja
So I should be lying that I have constant light?
How has u not putting on your Gen equate constant light? I've not put on my Gen too and I don't see constant light

onenaira3:
Urhobo. Ijaw would be second. The other way was forced down warri's throat as olu of warri by yoloba monkeys

Monkeys forced Olu of warri down ur throats? Wat were you human beings doing?

Well, we know that the Itsekiri kingdom is Iwere - corrupted to warri by the Europeans, and their capital is Ode - Itsekiri. Do ijaw and Urhobo have such political organization?

A king that was a slave like many other so called Traditional rulers
That's why they keep loosing relevance as they aren't doing their duty as traditional rulers and the personification of the people's identity

DashMeYansh:

Secession is Treason . I will defend my motherland regardless of where I may be. If the Us had seceded they wouldn't have been a superpower. I share that dream for Nigeria.

Well you obviously don't like reality. ..keep dreaming

GodMode:
There is no tribe like hausa-fulani

Hausa is a tribe.
Fulani is a tribe.

There's no tribe like Hausa or Fulani

kkboy:
These are qualities and treats that are common to all the Biafrans that's why we are one indivisible people.

Were Itsekiri and urhobo ever biafrans?

adellam16:
dats ur belief! U don't expect those who have encountered dem to agree with u! And I stand on my ground dat it could b he saw a marine spirit

Beasts are different from spirits you Dumbass