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All I know is Oduduwa must be an independent nation in my lifetime

jared007:
who gave u right to talk oduduwa man. Oduduwa is long dead but jesus is alive. The harder pastorkun hits the more we move forward and higher. By the way u are invited to benin becos jesus died for u too.

See this iidiot bastard child of a slave.
Oduduwa is dead?? It's u who killed him?

Oh! Africans and their slavery to Jews

pureIvory:
I think religion is not to be blamed for the atrocities going on in Nigeria and Africa in general. What should be blamed is the way people understand it.
People pray for something but they don't work towards it that's just the problem.
people use religion to cover up their evil deeds which is bad.

Even before the whites came we believed in one true God that is master to small gods and we did things for ourselves and pray to God who rewards our efforts.We had a wonderful way of living. Good leadership, good management and even inventions. No one was brainwashing us into believing in what we believed as you say the whites brainwashed us into believing in God and the commandments of God.

As a matter of fact we should be thanking the missionaries cos they were the ones who really came to our aid by teaching us unlike the colonial masters who came for their own gain. The missionaries helped stop most of our evil believes such as killing of twins etc and what we do now is say they harm us with their religion.
If you say Africans are still slaves to the white then you are saying the truth cos you are still a slave mentally even when you think you are an exception because you don't believe in religion and the way Africans think, you actually do cos if not for what you see and think of the whites and how you so much want Africans to be industrialized and developed like the whites instead of developing Africa in its own unique way so the whites will want to be like Africans.
Or have you forgotten that civilization started in Africa?
Why did we send them back to their country saying we don't need them when we end up doing things the way they do instead of doing it the African way.

Instead of saying religion did this and that why not just change the way we understand religious teachings and the way we hold the whites high.

It is only religionists and some follow follow atheists that hold whites as superior lifeforms
You see in Africa today you have jst few people who are interested in the African way, the knowledge of our ancestors
When you only care about Jewish ancestors like David, Joseph, Abraham etc. and don't know your ancestors how can know the things they knew or achieved

Christianity and Islam really set us back by implanting a sense of disgust in our own ways, our history, culture, traditions and spirituality.

Now you even have Africans saying they are descendants of Jews - many of such mad people on nairaland

BlackStallion:
My brother I applaud you. I'm a proud African and all that noise, but sometimes I find it very difficult to blame white people when they call blacks apes. Actually that's even an insult to apes because some black people seem to be less intelligent than apes. The fact is, we were tree dwellers when the very first European stumbled across an African. Thus we went from being primitive leaf sewing tree dwellers to 'civilised men', omitting all the prerequisite steps the white men themselves had to take to get to that level. Left to me, educating us was the worst thing they could've done to us. They should've just left us to develop at our own speed. It might've taken a few centuries, but eventually we would have gotten there. Necessity is the mother of invention, unfortunately our environment just wasn't challenging enough to 'force' us to invent things. Our own was just to hunt bushmeat and procreate, while the white men had to survive in harsh winter conditions (thus being forced to invent things like fur coats, boots etc) and hone their hunting skills because of the size of their prey and unfriendly environment.
That's why we misuse and bastardize everything. The average white man's goal is to make his 'people' (nation) superior to others, so as to lord it over them (Hitler), our own objective is to lord it over our own people, instead of looking for a means to become globally relevant. Give the average black man the choice of making his country the most powerful nation on earth or becoming a rich man, wealthy enough to look down on his neighbours and 90% will go for option 2.
That's why our leaders just steal as much money as they can and borrow some more when they're done. Do you know it doesn't make any sense for Nigeria to be poor? It's unimaginable that a country as rich as ours could be so poor. I have no problem with religion, but when it begins to suppress common sense, then it becomes an issue. Religious leaders say we should sit down in our houses and pray for God to leave heaven and come down to earth to touch our leaders, that's insane. If there's going to be a change in Nigeria, we'll need a revolution. Check the history books, it is only through revolution that progress is made. The animal instinct in us dictates we should subdue our fellow men, that's why the greeks sought out a more advanced form of leadership (and the Romans perfected it). Today, Nigerian leaders try to practice a hybrid of democracy and dictatorship. It's because there still resides a primitive animal in most africans and until we get rid of it, we're just going to keep repeating this vicious cycle. Today's youths will eventually become politicians and their corrupt fathers will tell them to embezzle public funds, then they'll indoctrinate their own children when they grow up and on and on till eternity.
Let's forget about meeting up with the rest of the world and focus on developing ourselves. We're already years behind the western world anyway, might as well use the opportunity to grow psychologically....

You proud African? you are a bastard slave by ur post up there
You don't even know anything about Africa...you had better take GhostofSparta's reply seriously

Akindarchi:
You guys make it seem like Nigerians were faring so much better before Christianity and islam was introduced . Last time I checked the people were happily pagan and deeply connected to their roots when the villages were raided by other natives on the command of their leaders to supply the slave market, many "deities" were simply warriors that had died (eg Sango), and communities fought against each other.
Anyhow, you are entitled to your butt-hurt.

Yes Nigerians were doing much more better
Kano, Oyo, Benin, Kwararafa, Ife, Nok are beautiful Kingdoms

As a Yoruba I know the downfall of Oyo came as a result of the disunity, betrayal and hatred caused by Islam...many Yorubas and high chiefs in oyo started siding the fulani because they took religion over family and nation
Even today we have the shameless oba adeyemi of oyo indulging in Islamic activities, the same Islam that was used to destroy the empire of his throne.

the same thing happened to Benin but it was christianity this time.

Wat about kano?.we all know kano is a fulani/Islamic ruled state today

That's what religion does, especially foreign religion, it breaks you and leaves you open for invaders who had previously brought the religion to you

Sango the God of Thunder is not a warrior that died...btw you do know that sango's disciples said he didn't die, why should we believe Jesus's disciples and disbelieve Sango's disciples??

Anyway There's a difference between Sango the king and sango the God of lightening and thunder

Can't believe am just seeing this thread. You all should come out and continue preaching the knowledge of the ancestors

ptase:
He created the universe. we owe Him our selves. Lets all be committed to worshipping him in spirit and truth.

Ok. I agree but which of these Gods deserves the worship as their worshipers all claim their God created the universe

Olodumare, Chukwu, Mawu-lisa, Mulungu, Gaia, Allah, Jehovah??

Christianity does not say, a person can not
read to know about other people culture or
believe system.

Even if christianity says so...does it also say a person shouldn't know his history and knowledge of his ancestors?? Cus that's wat Christians do

Christianity is a slaves religion...

Lmao the catholic church changing their doctrines since 1200AD

ikeyman00:
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and oduduwa still fell from the sky right

oral or internet ni?

rubbish

Go learn Ifa if you truly interested in pure Yoruba history and spirituality

There's spirituality and there's history
Oduduwa coming(Not fell) from the sky is spirituality
Learn the difference

laudate:
Why are you still dwelling on internet resources? I offered to refer you to hardcover books....you refused. Instead, you chose to take refuge in insults.

Only illiterates resort to insults, when their ignorance is exposed. Oga, it is little kids like you who refuse to conduct thorough research, that end up putting Nigeria in trouble. Why were you talking about offering 'correction'? You want to correct facts, with lies? Bros, grow up!

Continue to exhibit your lack of knowledge..... hehehe!

Where's the insult...are u not uneducated on the matter u looking for internet age history on ?

it is you exhibiting lack of knowledge as you know nothing about Yoruba history
Keep looking through google for what I told you...since internet age is here to teach history

shota:
You mean Adumu ?

yh
I first saw it on a thread and checked up...almost all articles show a link
How true is that?

laudate:
Kai! The money spent on your education was wasted! For your information, Yoruba history has been researched thoroughly and documented several times over, by various scholars - both local and foreign.

Why not just go to the library, check the history section and get good books that would enlighten your mind?

Ehm...should I recommend hardback editions dealing with Yoruba history for you? Or are you mature enough to find the books on your own?

Education u say? is it u who has education?...an uneducated olosi like u who is looking for internet age 18th century history
Wat Yoruba history did u get From ur education by various scholars?
That oduduwa is an Arab who trekked from Mecca in the 7th century
You are a complete nuisance who doesn't want to take correction

I don't blame u as much as I blame the Nigerian kolo mentality that strives to destroy the heritage, thousands of years running
If only history was appreciated by the Nigerian society and Yorubas of this generation

Internet age history

laudate:
Hehehe....! Just admit it - you don't have the facts. Continue swallowing all the tales by moonlight that you were fed as a kid.

Run along, it is way past your bedtime..

I've told u if u only accept internet as fact in Yoruba history then you don't know what qualifies as fact

The purest of yoruba history is told orally never by internet
So I leave you to ur gross ignorance

laudate:
Sorry to disappoint you...but I have been to Ilorin, countless times. I even lived there for a while. Do you want me to tell you the area?

Gambari or Saraki does not have to tell me anything. I know the history of Ilorin.

Your story about Afonja inviting Alimi, is still a story found in the realm of fables and tales by moonlight. Go and do some actual research, so you can get the facts...

Well u are a novice in Yoruba history. You most certainly aren't Yoruba not to know ilorin history

keep waiting for internet age history

You have been a waste of time
Bye!

laudate:
Stop going round in circles. Just answer the question. According to your previous post, Ilorin was not conquered by the Fulani because you said Afonja asked Alimi to come & help him. That story has been debunked. A lot of research has been done on that and the facts have been published by various scholars.

Next, you claimed there was a curse and because of that Ilorin people would forever be slaves. I brought up the British conquest of the North and other parts of West Africa, to show that the conquest of Ilorin had nothing to do with your so-called curse, as other tribes in Nigeria were also conquered in a similar fashion by external sources.

Do you still want it to be broken down for you, into kindergarten rhymes so you can understand it?

Have u ever been to ilorin? Have u ever found out the history in ilorin or any where else?
I have.

So unless Gambari or Saraki told you otherwise...which would be seriously debunked by Alaafin and all Yoruba
You have no case

Alimi was an Islamic preacher welcomed in as a friend but betrayed afonja...as other Yoruba muslims betrayed Oyo.
any other story is false

your Queston has nothing to do with my post as I never mentioned British.
Pls stick to the point

In addition. Orisha are historical figures

Although the Irunmole are greatly connected to the Orisha and considered Orisha of the universal level

We must learn the difference in spirituality(talking if Irunmole) and history(Orisha) when dealing with odu-Ifa

Like Olokun seniade was a woman, barren wife to oduduwa
That same name belongs to The Irunmole of oceans mother of wealth- Aje

laudate:
Story, story, .....story! Hahaha!

That is the problem with Nigerians... always rushing to elevate hearsay, into gospel truth that cannot be verified anywhere. A lot of oral traditions have already been documented. So if this story you cited here is true, some researchers would have taken pains to investigate and document it. How old were you, when your great great great grandfather passed on? Two? Did he relate the story directly to you?

I asked you a question earlier - "Don't forget that the colonial masters also conquered and ruled the North, as well as other parts of West Africa. Did the 'curse' affect the Northerners, too?" Am still waiting for the answer...

is the curse the only thing u picked up? And wat has it to do with colonization from the British? I never implied such

If u so interested abt verifying wat I posted...take to google..since u only accept internet age history

As if any history was not passed orally before being documented

Take the stress to go to old people, ask them questions...they know the history better than any half baked historian professor

laudate:
What is the source of this piece of historical tale you recounted here? Kindly post it so we can read & verify. Hearsay is not admissible...this is the internet age!

Anyway, you have made one thing clear - Ilorin was captured by the Fulani, who installed an Emir. The lineage of that Emir has ruled them till date. There was a heavy influx of Fulani warriors and families into Ilorin, that ended up settling there & inter-marrying with the people of Ilorin.

Kindly read the historical facts here:


Your story about the so-called 'curse' is neither here nor there.... and the so-called curse was not responsible for the colonisation of Nigeria by the Europeans.

Don't forget that the colonial masters also conquered and ruled the North, as well as other parts of West Africa. Did the 'curse' affect the Northerners, too?

sorry I don't learn history from books as much are without authenticity. I learn from the source

My Great Great Great grand father by whom I bare my family name was a war chief of Ido-Ekiti. he was picked among all the warriors from the kingdom to be trained in Ilorin..
The the story I posted before is known well in my home town and around former Oyo colonies

Take it or keep looking for internet age books and online article to teach you Yoruba history which would only mislead you

sirjohnson:
This was what happened to the Argentinians and Mexicans....They speak only Spanish...Their original indigenous languages are gone with the wind.

Not exactly. As the Mexicans and Argentines have mixed heritage...native American, African and European(Spanish, Portuguese)

KingEbukasBlog:
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The issue here is that Nigeria is the most religious country um earth

Yet one of the most messed up countries upon it's various churches and religious principles applied to governance

America is a secular state in practice, Christian on paper

Germany is even less Christian than any European country, most Germans hardly know a church talk less of attending one

Wat about the French? don't even go there

Most progressive nations are vastly irreligious and even if they claim christianity on paper, by practice they really don't care about religion

striktlymi:
Legislators are not architects of laws as God is the architect of the laws of nature. Legislators act within the confines of rules. They make laws within the confines of the laws of nature. They are mere participants in the grand scheme of things. God is not confined by any law.

wah! are u saying the legislative arm of government is not responsible for making laws, the laws which they must abide to, to keep chaos away.

If that's not wat u saying...then speak in plain terms and stop jumping from one branch to the other

malvisguy212:
everything will be as it was from the begining when adam and eve has not yet disobey God.MAN WILL TAKE COMMAND FROM GOD LIKE A ROBOT,NO DISIERE TO WORSHIP GOD.

Lol uneducated dummy like a typical Christian

musiwa95:
This is why some people want them to include Ifa into school in secondary school. The reason some people want it been taught in secondary school is that. Ifa is mostly the history of the people for century. When they talk about gods.. they were talk of human who were part of history. and what they did is what they coded into odu ifa.. And they now tell the story.

So ifa is basically the history of the people and how they solve the problem. some people want it, some people dont want it.. be taught in schools. just like islam and Christian is taught in school.

True talk musiwa.
odu-Ifa is the collection of history, culture, traditions and spirituality of the Yoruba

It's only slave mentality caused by foreign evil religions- Islam and christianity that cause people to insult Ifa

mnairaland:
No u got it wrong.The bible is a written account of the words of God.Some direct declaratios by him.Others inspired by him.


If you had a secretary and dictated a letter to her.Although, she may be d one who wrote down, typed and posted d letter, u d dictator are d writer or author of d letter.Same goes for d bible.Though written by human agency, God is d dictator, writer and authur.

Does refute what I said earlier

The Bible is the word of God because the Bible said so

mnairaland:
I read it from d word of God - the bible.

the Bible is the word of god because the Bible said so? how logical

mnairaland:
Marriage was defined by God the creator in genesis when he said,'It is not good for man to be alone.I will make him an help suitable for him.
Marrige is is the union of a man and woman primarily for companionship.

Did u hear these words from the mouth of god?
Or u read it from the words of men

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