₦airaland Forum

onyedikachiyuda:
It amazed me as I read your posts saying that you are proving me wrong (whereas you are only running around). Though, Shakor in the so-called Hebrew means Black, and Aswad also means Black in Arabic. Does it imply that the words for black in these languages are limited to ‘Shakor’ and ‘Aswad’? Maybe it’s your naïve nature of reasoning that inhibits your understanding (Mediocrity should not be an excuse!).
Like I said before, the root word for ‘Ham’ in Arabic is ‘Chamam’ meaning black. Also in the so-called Hebrew, the equivalence of Ham is ‘Khawm’ also connoting the same meaning.
For example, in Igbo language, ‘Uli’ means Black does not imply that ‘Oji’ does not mean Black. Though, ‘Uli’ and ‘Oji’ mean black also do not imply that ‘Unyi’ can not be used in reference to Black.

This is the very reason why I said earlier that you could not even reason (I decided not to reply you; however, let me correct some impressions). You are too eager to win an argument and that is why you cling unto unnecessary things; thereby, missing the Point (fallacy!).

Anyone can speak Afro-Asiatic language. So, speaking Hamitic language does not guarantee you of Hamitic descent. If Hamites were not blacks, Shemites weren't blacks; it is obvious that Japhet (Jefeta) was white, then how did Blacks evolve. Also, you said that Shemites had no black; but agreed that the Igbos are of Shem. Are there no black people in Igboland? Though, Noah was whites; was his father (Lamech) not black?

No point arguing unnecessarily. Besides, you have not answered the question I asked. Try and make your points very clear and prove me wrong. Correct me of this my impression by answering just these two questions.

1. Why is Simeon called Niger?
2. Why is the Black Madonna of Częstochowa the most revered image of Mary and her child Jesus?

what dictionary did u get this from Bloody liar.

You can check all I have posted via google to verify but u are all full of ridiculous lies to worship ur Hebrew masters
Blacks aren't Hamitic or Semitic damn it!
Blacks are Africans, true Africans that never left Africa(although some did...we have them in South Asia and Australia)

You look into Bible (semitic history) for black history I look into black history for black history. You can't possibly know where blacks came from when you are a Hebrew shiit licker trying to claim what ur Hebrew masters never sent u

There's nothing like Chamam or Khwam you bloody liar

dalet:
The word Ham or properly Kham is not of Hebrew origin but Egyptian. The meaning of Kham, however, in the Hebrew language does mean Heat or Hot given the idea of something being roasted. This is the same idea for the word Aithiopia which translates burnt face by the Greeks because of the dark/very black complexion like being sun burnt. khemet, the Egyptian word of the same Root of Kham means land of the Black.

The current Egyptian people probably wouldn't claim Africa as their origin because they are not the original Egyptians. They invaded the land and took over. Some probably mixed with the originals.

u even seem more informed than u dummy partner onyedikachiyuda

Khem is Egyptian for black true that, so you wanna use this to justify the Ham theory?? Lol Ham has no meaning in Hebrew or Arabic
I told u the Ham theory of black people was never propagated by Hebrews, but Christian Europeans

Ethiopian's burnt face now makes them a black people? or u think a Negro is a Negro because the sun burnt his skin Burnt face doesn't make u a black man, there are other features
Take a look at Cushites and tell me the Negro you see in them and compare with Sudan and Sub-Saharan Africa...personally I think Cushites are mixed with Axumites and Negros from the black kingdom of Kush

Mwenyi:
Nigeria and other neighboring regions were inhabited but the people were not necessarily Yoruba, igbo and what not speakers. It is possible Nigeria was inhabited by proto-Bantu west Africans. The inhabitants of Nigerians today possibly moved in the area after Bantu migration. The proto-Bantu must still be around. We know there are some tribes in Cameroon.

Depends. Most northern tribes came in late but southern tribes are descended from people who are as old as the soil despite some little migrants coming in to mix and separate the people's culture and language

axum:
Lmao. Their is clear and accurate history showing the relationship between the Horn of Africa (Puntland, Axum) and present day Egypt.

1. The language spoken by the Nubian people (real ancient Egyptians) is in the same language family as Somali and other Cushitic languages

2. The only way to Egypt from sub-Saharan Africa is through the Nile river or the Red sea

3. Their was a time that Axum (Cushiness) controlled Kush and much of Kush was in Egypt

4. The Nubian people in southern Egypt look just like other Cushitic people in Somalia/Ethiopia and Eritrea

5. Their is written and historical proof that their was easy free flow of people from the Horn to Egypt as documennted by Ancient Egyptians as they referred to the Horn as Punt (land of the gods).

All Bantus can say is Egypt is Black cause it's in Africa. And Also Somalis have had kingdoms even taking over much of Ethiopia even before their was such thing as Somali, Cushitic people controlled Yemen and other parts of Arabia and Kush, Punt, Axum, Ajuraan etc.

Meanwhile Bantus happen to claim Egypt just to raise their self esteem. Lmao

I hope you know all this are made from your own assumptions

Fulaman198:
Don't worry I'll leave my guest wifi on in case if you ever visit me in Abuja, but you most cease your fetish for looking at big booty girls online

Lmao I wouldn't even think of it

Lol pls leave your wifi for us. Purchasing Data isn't easy these days

Glamrock. You should seek an Ifa priest to put u through the basics

But probably before that you might want to know about the Ori concept, Olodumare and the universe, The Irunmole and Orisha.

kingston277:
Bits of Yoruba history were captured from aroko aswell. Aroko is a form a written record.

Aroko to the best of my knowledge is based on symbolism...objects used strategically to pass a message

Can we call that writing?

Xcapist:
I have Muskeeto, macof, Scyllapatron, (remaining wiegraf, mazaje, pastorAIO) all in one place....On my thread people who's pictures are framed and hanging on my wall. Does it get any better than this? Today is indeed the day that the Lord has made and I will rejoice and be glad in it!! Can I get a hallelujah somebody?!

Lmao

MizMyColi:
^^^ May you get more sense.

Ase! My daily prayer to my father Orunmila

There's nothing wrong with polygamy. All of us West Africans have polygamous background even if it's 3 or 4 generations back
Our mothers were happy with our loving fathers. Oyinbo has come to pollute ur minds

Arosa:
Nobody thinks history is like movie script, neither is it based on oral tales alone. It take a lot of research based on corroborating evidence.

Bro. Research on wat? Isn't it the oral history that forms the object being researched?

the reason why I hate books and online article on Yoruba history is that they don't go in deep on the story. Many people jst form things outta their head to fill the plank pages
Do you know many people don't know Ooni is the first son from oduduwa's household?
but many books only point his mother being a slave without knowing that his grandfather was Oduduwa

Books can't tell u everything because most writers don't travel well enough to find out the full story from different Towns. No one town knows all of Yoruba history

So ur research should be based on oral history because that's the purest form passed from generations to generations

Another factor is that many parts of our history are hidden in cults where if u want to know this secret u have to join and be initiated. How many so called historians are initiated into Ifa or Egungun or Ogboni??

The Christian God is an enemy of human progress. Throughout history we see he hates men doing things without him pulling the strings.

he got angry that Adam and eve didn't need him to know what is good and evil
He got angry the little canaanite nations were happy without him, he sent his puppet Hebrews after them
He got angry Egypt, Babylon, Persia, Ethiopia progressed without him he planned their destruction but never successful as those empires were stronger and more intelligent than he imagined

now he has Christianity to control some people but like we see in the modern world the most religious countries are some of the least advanced ones

More foolish people saying christianity is not a religion

the belief a Virgin gave birth to ur saviour is religious
The belief of a Jew dying to save ur soul is religious
The belief that he would return for u at an unknown time is religious

Spirituality has been altered by religion to the extent at which people don't know what a God is anymore, and so conflicts arise with one religion claiming to be the superior or absolute truth, when non of these Gods actually exists as thought

onyedikachiyuda:
I think its hard-time we stop this nonsense and mind our businesses. I did not join this site to be exchanging curses with anyone. However, I must confess that you are a real novice (who has limited understanding of the subject matter) only claiming to know what he does not know. If I may ask, what led us to this place?

I might not be able to reply you simply because I have seen that you can not even reason. What is the point of trying to win an argument; whereas no trophy to carry?

Let me tell you, in the original Akkadian, Sumerian and the so-called Hebrew language, 'Ham' is a word used for black, even its root in Arabic can also prove that. Ham in these languages means black; however, I can not conclude for sure that Ham means 'black' (just because he had black complexion) until I have its equivalence in Igbo language.

You said that Shemites had no black; you really need to know more about Israelites and Shemites. Let me not tell stories, Cush (Ethiopia) is a son of Ham and in Latin as well as in some other languages means black. To be specific, Ethiopia is the darkest of them all, followed by Egypt, Libya and then Canaan (somewhat brown-coloured). Let us not forget that Shem means dusky (dark-coloured) in the original Akkadian, Sumerian languages even in the so-called Hebrew.

Why can't be any black Shemite? A prophet and a teacher was a man called SIMEON the NIGER. SIMEON was a jew but called NIGER (latin word for black) because he was the darkest of all the disciples of CHRIST. CYRENE is also a region notable for its black population.

I do not want to write much pertaining this, because, I believe that 'a word is enough for the wise'. What shall it even profit you if you are called an Israelite but you are not? Or, what shall it take away from you if you are not recognised as an israelite, but you really are? The so-called Jews in the middle-east are they really Israelites? CHRIST tells us that He knows abot it in Revelations 2:9. God actually knows his people (you do not become a Shemite by faith).

I find it funny that you have been saying am a novice, am ignorant yet it's u showing ignorance.

שחור (shakor) means black in Hebrew not "Ham"
the Ham theory of black people became popular by Europeans not Hebrews
Hamites aren't black dude, they don't even claim anywhere in Africa as their origin...they claim Mesopotamia like Hebrews and many other middle easterns

الأسود (aswad) means black in Arabic "aswudan" (corrupted to Sudan) means "black people"
This was used to describe the Nubians who were true blacks...these Nubians had nothing to do with ur father Ham

So stop lying. Am only trying to snap u out of ur delusions that Hebrews or Ham are the fathers of blacks

Arosa:
I do not disagree on the fact that Nigeria lacks credible historians, however I will like to make my stands on our history known. Most of our history today is based on legends (not true history). Because any story passed down from generation to generation by word of mouth is called folk tale. (they are usually inaccurate and nonfactual.) There will be an awakening of Nigerians soon, regarding our history.

Yoruba history is passed orally...that's tradition
Even till now, Nobody would write an authentic book on Yoruba history without going round Yorubaland to get oral tales.

History isn't like a movie script you can write sitting in your bedroom

Sloan:
An ibo loser must surely cry at this post so I am not surprised. Blame your useless cowardly Ojukwu for all the ibos used as canon fodder. Congrats Gowon for a job well done!

Why can't ur likes do Without Igbo-Yoruba bashing?. Here you have started first prompting attacks against the Yoruba
People like u should be locked up

Arosa:
'Ignorance is the only thing that is certain', when it comes to the true history of Oduduwa given the fact that there was no written records of events at that time.

There doesn't have to be written records to know that. Nigeria lacks historians that's the problem
And besides many people are losing interest in history now

onyedikachiyuda:
Take a good look at the way you are fooling yourself! I initially thought that you are an intelligent guy; but it seems that you are not (at all). Now, Genesis 10:6, tells you of the sons of Ham; Cush, Misraim, Phut and Canaan. All the sons of Ham were blacks!!! Libya, Ethiopia, Egypt and Canaan. The whites you see in the Northern parts of African are not (originally) Africans, but whites. Learn this now!! There was nothing like mixed!!

Alexander (called the great) suspected that Israelites were Africans; even before he was told by Africans that the Land of Israel is part of Africa. During the time of Herodotus, people called Africa Libya. And also, in the time of Vespasian 'Egypt'. And in some places in the Bible; you will see Africa being referred to as Ethiopia Simply because, it is the Land of they are all Lands of the Descendants of Ham (Black man).

It seems you are ashamed of giving up. Don't wash your dirty mouth outside because you have no point to prove!!!

show me where Ham was called the Father of black people? Infact every people once classified as "Hamitic" are not a black people

Libyans, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Berbers and Cushites aren't a black culture or civilization and Egypt was a mixed civilization, the people of upper Egypt were totally different from those of lower Egypt before the unification of both Kingdoms

There's no such record of Alexander having such erroneous thoughts stop your useless lies
And Israel is not Africa it's Asia, particularly the middle east

click2cbn:
Imagine the two 12 year girls saying they will appeal the judgement. Whoever is using the girls should show his or her face.

Lol we all know it's their imam doing the appeal, the girls are just puppets probably don't even know what is going on

onyedikachiyuda:
Though, this is a social network (everyone has the right to post anything). But!! You should not post to distort facts; rather, you post because you have something tangible to offer. I don't want to patronize you; hence, we are all students (learning). Some of the points I had wanted to give you have been stated by 'Dalet' (whom I believe has deep understanding of the Scripture!). If I may ask, do you even have any tangible evidence to even prove that the Shemites were Brown (Light-Skinned)? perhaps, we believe. And also, in talking of Light-skin, Igbos on the average are they not light-skinned?

And in addition to what my friend (Dalet) said. If you really have understanding (of the Scripture), then you would agree with me that 'Pharaoh' thought of Moses as his own flesh and blood (because Moses had the same colour with Pharaoh). Also, after Moses Killed an Egyptian, and noticed that people knew about it, he fled to Midian. And After Moses (Moshe) had helped the daughters of the priest (of Midian) to fetch water (because the Shepherds prevented them). And they got home, and their father (Reuel) asked them and said "How is it that ye are come so soon to day?" and they said, "An Egyptian delivered us out of the hand of the shepherds, and also drew water enough for us, and watered the flock". Now tell me, if Moses colour had been distinct from the Egyptians, why would they (daughters of Priest) call him an Egyptian? Why not a light-skinned man in an Egyptian attire? Also when Jacob died; let me quote Genesis 50:9 "And there went up with him (Joseph) both chariots and horsemen: and it was a very great company (of both Egyptians and Israelites).
Verse 11 "And when the inhabitants of the land, the Canaanites, saw the mourning in the floor of Atad, they said, This is a grievous mourning to the Egyptians. Remember!! This is a group of both Israelites and Egyptians; but the Canaanites thought they were all Egyptians (because they are of the same skin colour).

Coming to what you said earlier, everyone that has common sense would know that Famine can cause someone (that has Melanin) to be darker than his/her original complexion, and that is Why the Verse talked about Famine being the cause of that. What do you understand by the statement in Lamentation 4:8 "Their visage is blacker than a coal"? If the passage in the Scripture is Really True, then, there is no point saying that there is no black person in Israel.

Lmao now Bible passages don't serve ur purpose you shift to using Egyptians as leverage

Well Egypt was a mixed civilization of brown(light) typical Mediterranean skin-the Arabs and Hebrews claim to have been Hamites as sons of Misraim(Genesis 10:6) and pure blacks from the South(Nubia and subsaharan Africa) who resided predominantly in the Nile valley and had no "Ham" in them.

mistaking a brown person from the middle east for an Egyptian is no big deal as many Egyptians were brown too


Igbo have light skinned population yes, so does Yoruba- hence the word "Oyinbo" which isn't just used for non-Africans but also Africans that have peeled skin as a result of many medical factors
and why do you bring this up? Have you seen that there's no way to prove Hebrews are black and come up with Igbos are white?
You are desperate to identify with Hebrews that you can't even stick to one argument

Arosa:
I thought the first Ooni is Oduduwa, when he died non of his children where around to take over from him. So the old tradition of the Yorubas and edo took effect: It requires that the oldest man in village be made king when there is no king, and the oldest man in the village at that time was the gate-man.

Arosa:
It's clear now that Oduduwa/Izoduwa was never named OonI. Rather it was the gate-man that became the first ooni .

what are we gonna do about ignorance like this?
Ooni is a gateman

Yoruba history is really getting lost...smh

The OP made good points except the part when he began telling Yoruba history too, such ignorance in those parts

And why do Southern Nigerians claim Egyptian origin like this?
Ever asked urself where Egyptians came from?

The 'ooni of IFE' in this article is different frm the one I have frm oral tradition!
according to my oral source, 'Ooni' in Original Ijesa language means ' Uho ni' that is 'he is a gateman'. The Uho (a gateman to the house of Oranmiyan) was left as the keeper of the house after all the Oranmiyan children had dispersed to various places before the coming back Obokun, who had gone to fetch the sea water for the treatment of the Oranmiyan's blindness!

Where do you people get these lies from?
Bunch of jobless morons

Lemme share this story I saw on Orishada.com

Apetebi is the name given to wife of Orunmila.
It is also the name Orunmila gave to the wife of a Babalawo.
In the Odu Ifa Ogbe Sa, Ifa gives the story of how the Apeeibi became the wife of Orunmila. Ifa relates that Orunmila went to war in the town of Ilu obirin after all the efforts of the other Orisha were unsuccessful. Orunmila consulted Ifa, made
the proper sacrifice and subsequently was able to defeat the uprising in Ilu obirin. The town of Iluobirin was inhabited by only women. These women were tied together with rope and taken back to the town where Orunmila resided. Once they arrived in town Orunmila’s advisers wanted to kill all of the women. Instead of killing the
women Orunmila decided to make them Apetebi.

The difference between an Apetebi and an Iyanifa
(female Ifa priest) is that an Apetebi is not
necessarily initiated to Ifa but is a wife of a
Babalawo. Whereas an Iyanifa is not only initiated to Ifa but is a learned Ifa priest.
After a woman marries a Babalawo, she is
required to clean the area and house of Ifa every 5 days. It is necessary to keep the area where Ifa rests clean. She is always to take water to visitors when they arrive in the home. She must also honor her husband and cannot be rude. She should be respectful of all her husband;s omo
Awo. She must be the keeper of her husband’s secrets and be careful of her words outside the home.
A Babalawo’s duties to an Apetebi include treating his wife with respect. He cannot beat or use harsh words towards her but must be cool tempered and patient. If a problem arises between a Babalawo and his his it must be solved amiably.
When feeding Ifa the Apetibi should bring Esin and use these materials to pray. There are many songs specific to Apetibi. In the Oketase temple in Ile-Ife, the Apetibi have Aro, which are roles specific to Apetibi in the Agboniregun and Ifa festivals. When Odu is being carried out Apetibi have Orin that is sung specifically at that time.
During each occasion there are many necessary assignments and duties the Apetibi must perform. Through these many tasks the wives of Orunmila receive the blessings of Ifa.
Respect that is given to a Babalawo is also given to his Apetibi. The Apetibi has power. She was given cowries by Orunmila to divine for his clients in his absence. The Apetibi can divine with erindilogun. She has access to all of the Orisha houses. However she can never into the house of Odu or Oro. These places are forbidden to female. The Apetibi will wear Ide Ifa and
traditional cloting. Another babalaow can never sit in the place where an Apetibi has just vacated.
The Apetebi is a valued member of the Ifa
community.
Omo ti a fi etebi ki a ma pe ni Apetebi
Lubedo siko aya mi no
Ajagbakira aya mi ni se
Eri mi e dasi yayaya
Edo koyaya
O to ka daesi doko nu ka wa sere gba yi o
Emorora ka o emo ku aribo ode o
Ifa ati Orisa a gba wa o ase

Elantracey:
They are not totally wrong, what could be wrong is making them a priority.

Yh. But surely you have realized young ladies make these a priority

Utter rubbish this Colombians should say what their problem is cus Nigeria is an ebola free country
They should do this to USA and Spain instead...damned Racist

onyedikachiyuda:
I quite agree with you friend. Nevertheless, I would like to refer you to some of the passages in the Bible : Job 30:30, Jeremiah 8:21, Lamentation 5:10 etc...

lmao you are complete retard

Read Job 30:27-30
"my bowels boiled and rested not...I went without the Sun, I stood up and cried in the Congregation. I am brother to dragons and a companion of owls...30"my skin is black upon me and my bones burned with heat"

Here we see job describing his pain upon all the afflictions he endured, his skin turned black upon all his sufferings and illness not that "black" is the natural complexion colour of his skin

Jeremiah 8:21 "for the hurt of the daughters of my people, I am hurt, I am black, astonishment has taken hold of me"
It's only a complete moroon that would see this and say God (whom was the speaker: I bet u didn't know that well read from the beginning of the chapter) was describing his complexion, also notice that the verse(21) was an emotional statement not a description of physic.. Like in modern terms we have "I am blue" instead of saying,"I am sad"
Does that mean the person is blue?

Lamentations 5:10 "our skin was black like an oven because of the terrible famine

I want to believe you can read the bold

Mwenyi:
There were people but I doubt they spoke Yoruba, igbo and what not.

True. Language evolves over time
Yoruba and Igbo language came out from the same source yet unknown

KingEbukasBlog:
If atheism is true .... what is the point of life ?

Does christianity have an answer to that?