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aanumama: When the time comes, each and every tribe will decide which way forward!

But isn't it right to think over these things now so as not to cause problems at the last moment

Let us know ourselves now

The realization of Ile-Oodua being an independent Nation is much desired by Many Yoruba people in Nigeria

But who are those that should be part of this Nation?

The Ekiti, Ijesha, Ijebu, Ife, Oyo, Eko Awori, Yagba people etc. are all referred as Yoruba with the feeling of "ONENESS".and "FELLOWSHIP"
The Isekiri people in Delta state have a strong link with the above mentioned tribes, similarities in language and traditions with a fairly distinct Cultural practice and spirituality, not to mention historical connections

The Edo are a vast people themselves and have since the Igodomigodo era been Allies with Their Western Neighbors notably Eko Awori, Ife and Owo. With the Oba of Benin being the eldest son of Oranmiyan, making him brother to Alaafin of Oyo

Oodua descendants also live in Benin republic having established ancient Kingdoms of Ketu, Sabe and Popo.

Alaketu- being Oduduwa's eldest grandson

The Nations of Sabe and Popo have been displaced over Wars against Dahomey and The French but it's indegenes have been able to keep themselves alive.

Other Towns and communities that have major Yoruba descent are Porto-Novo(Ajase), Cotonou, Dassa, Ouidah and Alada. Mostly captured from Dahomey who were a colony of Oyo.

Other Communities exist in Togo and Ghana

Now could Benin republic be affected by Nigeria's disintegration to form a greater Oduduwa Nation?

And where do the Edo lay?

rationalmind: I need you to clarify something before I reply. Are you actually saying for example what we call lightening in English is what yorubas refer as sango.

Oyo language Lightening is called Mona or Mona Mona
could be literally transliterated as "Light bringer"

Which is one of Sango's praises

Sango is the force that brings lightening

Ishilove: Jesus is the anglicization of the hebrew 'Yeshua'.

Madam. Abeg explain this

Lemme explain mine

Yeshua/Yahshua/Y'hoshua (depending on your understanding of Hebrew alphabets and pronunciation)
Was the same name of Joshua.

Now tell me how and why the above name(Yeshua) was turned to Joshua in English for the Israeli Messiah who led Israel against Canaan

But the same name(Yeshua) was changed to Jesus. Pronounced "hey-zeus" by many

Hail Zeus The God of Christians

rationalmind: Hehehehe, rapture ready is really doing a great job. All pagans have been doing is introducing the "you too" fallacy.

Your arguments have been very logical and sound.

Like i did say, pagans (at least the ones ive met on nairaland) just substituted some myths for other myths

Spirituality is meant to be progressive like science.

Some stories which are told to help understand these forces better have been lost, some have been updated, some have been retained.

Science as a part of life is wat spirituality has exposed but with deeper insights and much symbolism

[quote author=rapture_ready]Science tells us that lightning is as a result of, I repeat, electrical arc discharge between a negatively charged atmosphere and a positively charged earth.

Not a result of some cranky yoruba fella hurling lightning bolts after drinking ogogoro...

You ever hear of the god thor in greek mythology? What, Sango is his evil twin? The Greeks have smartened up and put thor in the museums and tourist centres where he belongs. The yoruba are smartening up too.


So Sango decided not to use his mighty lightning bolts to save his own shrines and alters, and now he is surprised nobody worships him? Yeah, that sounds totally believable.

A more logical explanation is - he's just a myth. Like thor.



No he wasn't. Did you read what I asked you to?

Hitler is paying for that even till today...

Those stats you posted are nonsense. Sorry.[/quote]Smh u lack the blessings of Orunmila

Electric charges are wat produces lightening true. The same electric charges that keeps the body alive.

These are things our ancestors have known for thousands of years- wat modern science is just finding out(possible through the knowledge of ancient spirituality)

In santeria Cuba, Sango is the Patron God, he is praised as "he who keeps the body going" the Lukumi people have known this for centuries.

In Igbo, Alusi Amadioha is the counterpart of Sango. Amadioha is created as the "one who split the cotton to form gender"

Thor is Scandinavian and not Greek same as Amadioha and Sango

Many people steal Sango's statues used as Idols...he doesn't strike them with lightening. many have built down his shrines he doesn't strike them.

But he keeps showing love and doing his duty to the universe which NOBODY CAN CHANGE


Hitler is chilling with All ur Biblical prophets

yousuf12: You know exactly what I'm talking about, now go back to the field and continue picking cotton.

Actually only u know wat u are saying

I never picked cotton

harbiola1: What?
I know the fact that they were WILD.

Trust me, not just that.

Wild Guy go and trace ur Ibadan ancestral.

Wild ko, Igbo ni

Ruq: That should be the old Bablaows, the new ones have Ifa 2.0 software, always programming and monitoring spirits.

But me think its cuz they don't want to be part of the consequences in the end.

No too much earthly concerns would prevent one from being concerned about his spiritual growth.

Money is not everything.

Btw Major Yawistic prophets were poor eg. John baptist, Elijah, Isaiah and even Jesus

yousuf12: Yes slave boy didn't Massa teach you that slavery is when people forced to become a slaves i.e. Without their permission/consent... Or in your case forced mental slavery.
How can my ancestors and I, be slaves when we so willingly adhere to Islam. For us to be 'mental' slaves there must have been a point where my ancestors were forced to believe in Islam. Go and ask Massa about it then come back to me with an answer.

wal3yadubillaah I've never talked to anyone more stubborn and stupid at the same time.

U beginning to make No sense

fact is Somalia is an Arab slave nation.
And the only thing that can release u from the bondage is to revert to the Somali ways, resist mental slavery and brainwash.

Ishilove: Lobatan. Folake ti gbe tie wa...

Folykaze is extremely correct

Have u heard Italians and Spaniards call Jesus....it's always "E-zus" In Greek it's "Ie-zus" hail zeus! The king of the Gods

[quote author=rapture_ready]The babylon thing was as a result of their sins. They were warned a few million times, and failed to take heed. Forewarned, forearmed. Babylon wasn't the first nation to attack them, were they? The same God had protected them every other time and defeated their enemies in outrageous ways before. Wasn't his fault they refused to listen that time...[/quote]result of their a sins or blessings from the God of Babylon.

But true communities do suffer for their sins.

Like Africa is suffering for it's sins...this is why we must seek atonement with the God of our fathers house

And where is Hitler now? He lived to a ripe full age and enjoyed a peaceful, prosperous life? He didn't murder himself also and is not currently chilling out in hell?

So is Moses

So what? One way first class ticket to heaven. If you die by choking on a plate of indomie, or in a natural disaster, what does it matter if you get to heaven?

Die before achieving ur primal goals in life is nothing compared to living ur life to it's fullest. Heaven is not running away

this life is were they would all come back to finish their mission

No wonder Muslims do suicide bombing

Nah.

He just has his ways.

apply this theory to Your fathers God

Little wonder then that you guys have so few followers. Even atheists are evangelising their crap, so you guys may need to realise we live in an era of product packaging, branding and advertisement...

spiritual knowledge doesn't call for adverts. Those with high consciousness would seek for truth.

This part is just total horseshit...

Because horseshit is wat u have in ur skull

Juju is not evil. Blood money is over exaggerated by Nollywood. And most of wat u watch about Traditionalist are pure lies against traditional ways

Voodoo is a spiritual practice, it's not about killing for money or anything like that.

Ritual killing is not part of vodun, or any African pagan practice. (at least known that I know of)

Juju is also everywhere in the world, it's wat English call "magic" and "sorcery"
In a deeper thought, juju is advanced science.

lovely Somali culture but a pity Somalia has lost all to their Arab masters

daragrams: have u even seen anyone that visited a babalawo and came back with a good divination?

have u even seen anyone that visited a babalawo and came back with a good testimony?

have u even seen anyone that visited a babalawo and came back with a good report?

what normally happens to all of them?

the babalawos know their end already so they wont want it to happen to them

Yes
Yes
Yes

They are fulfilled and blessed, coming out happy as Ifa has solved their problems

The Babalawo knows their end because Ifa has reviled it, And Babalawo would always do as Ifa has said.
Everyone with his Ori, Babalawo won't do wat doesn't concern their Ori

[quote author=tpia@]i doubt they're actually poor, sometimes they have too much responsibility due to many wives, etc, so it makes them appear poor because the kids might not be well cared for.

besides, they have to keep up a certain appearance to the public.

all need Jesus sha, lord have mercy.[/quote]lol later u would lie that u don't shove Jesus to people.

Hypocrite

[quote author=rapture_ready]Well, you gotta admit that it's pretty ominous the way them missionaries came, declared them powerless - and went ahead to back up their claims by destroying their shrines and alters...

If amadioha had roasted the first missionary who came near his shrine with fire, do you think our forefathers will have turned to worship God?

Do you know how many people have tried to abolish christianity? Well, God didn't just sit up there and do nothing [/quote] the Jews were carried into Babylon like bag of beans, Hitler murdered their millions, Christians killed in natural disasters, terrorist attacks against Christians.

Now does this mean Yahweh is weak?
Pretty much so.

Amadioha and many of your Alusi don't fight for worshipers. Freedom is paganism.

That's why we don't evangelize in the first place. We don't need evangelism, every sensible human being should live with his consciousness that is linked with his identity. You reject ur identity u can't be a pagan.

Paganism is not about worship
It is the tribal way

In my understanding good and evil don't really exist.

All is same force being projected in different ways such that the human consciousness decides against one and accepts the other.

It's not God dat determines wat is good for us, it is US that determines it.

in ur village, Kissing outside might be an evil act while in another kissing outside is good.

Black cats could be evil while in another village black cats bring goodluck.

Killing of twins was evil in major pre-colonial African nations but it wasn't in calabar.

The messed up thing is that when humans make laws they tend to claim their God made it.

yousuf12: No your grandfather was a slave to a white man whilst my grandfather was killing them on the battlefield.

Now I know that u lack education

To ur brain colonization=slavery

[quote author=rapture_ready]Yes.

Except Israel's God's missionaries came to our shores, tore down the shrines of our gods, destroyed their alters and abolished their worship - and our gods stood by and did absolutely nothing!

Where was Sango's fabled thunderbolts, or amadioha's mighty wrath etc.?

We were not brainwashed, we only chose to side with the greater power...

*dancing*

Jesus power, super power
Jesus power, super power...[/quote]First of all it's stupiid to refer to ur God wit a "g" and "G" to another God.

This shows how extremely brainwashed u are.

So it's a waste thinking of a reply for u, because u can never get it

[quote author=rapture_ready]Actually, FSM does not refer to Yahweh alone. It represents any religious deity from sango to Buddha. This is a forum dedicated to religious deities, and correct me if I am wrong, you guys believe in none. You don't even concede they may exist, and you think we are all just a bunch of mental cases.

So it begs the question - what are you guys doing here? [/quote]Buddha is not a deity.

He is a spiritual teacher

harbiola1: What can Macof say about the warfare experience of Sango, Ogun and others.

Lol omobadan if only u knew ur ancestry

Smh
Anyway I don't understand ur question.

yousuf12: Slave? lol I think you are confusing me with your grandfather who used to get whipped by his Massa.

Why are you ignoring harbiola? Why don't you give him a proper answer or are you too scared that he will expose your doll stabbing voodoo religion?

Lol true my grandfather was a slave to Jesus but such has ended in our family.

He is the one ignoring me and not me ignoring him. it's the same question I posse to u, wat God were they killing people for?

unlike ur fellow slaves who bomb for Allah.
So much evil all for Allah

harbiola1: e be like say Mr. Macof dey also ** MR (Money Ritual).
Because the kind way wey you dey take support this devilish spiritualists is suspecting.

Olorun maa je

Abiola mo so fun e ko daruko Orisha na.

Those people are not worshiping any Yoruba God.

1. I leant that Nigerian Atheism isn't as free minded as I thought.

Most of u atheist have nothing new, u only relay wat ur Asian, European and American masters have said.

2. Pagans are not enough in on NL or even in Nigeria. We need more people coming back to the ways of their ancestors.
Note: paganism is not about worship.

3. Christians are brainwashed to think Israel's God is their God, they forget their ancestors and don't know their history trying to trace their origin to Israel

4. Muslims are worse group of religiously affiliated people. They are simply Arab slaves, should be cast out of society and given free one way ticket to Saudi Arabia

yousuf12: Spirituality as in your voodoo gods? No thanks, I don't want to participate in your cruel ritual killings. I'd rather worship The Almighty.

As for my identity, I'm a proud African, Somali and a Muslim.

Spirituality is not about worship.
Pls show me where I told u to worship my God(not gods). worship the God of ur ancestors and not my God, am not like Mohammed who lies to people to worship his God.

Yes It's better for u to worship the almighty- Waaq, God of the universe as ur ancestors worshipped.


Your identity is proud Somalian Arab slave

OLAADEGBU: The Word of God does not change: "The soul that sins shall die"

so Abraham has sined and shall die

tonychristopher: are you now a yoruba man not an ika man, so you are an authority in this field, Ekit is yoruba and they just have dialect.... why are you cionfused

Ekiti is not Yoruba

Have u been following them thread at all?

Ekiti and Yoruba have the same origin but speak totally different languages.

The Ekiti settlement is well over 5000yrs according to oral history. The Yagba people of Kogi and Igala seem to have come from Ekiti atleast in little waves of migrations(just my assumption here), that's why the Yagba and Ekiti greet the same way "Okun" or "Era" not "Eku" as The West side uses

Idole(ido, osi, ifaki, oye) is a tribe with it's dialect in Ekiti different from Ado and the rest.

Can u show a list of word similarities between Ekiti and Yoruba?
I would show more word difference and u would see that the languages are structured differently.

1. ekiti accent is fast, very fast like chanting incantations in Yoruba movies, that it's difficult to comprehend

2. A lot of words are different

3. Where a word is written the same, the accent changes the tone of the word that it won't make sense in Yoruba.

Ekiti people speaks Yoruba too very well because Ekiti was once an Oyo colony, but Ekiti has it's own language.

OLAADEGBU: God didn't change His mind. His Law remains the same: "the soul that sins shall die" He only made provisions to protect His people against the increasing potential to produce deformed offspring. You disobey this health law at your own peril.

Oh! So no hell threat for disobeying this one?

Pastor Olu T: Nope the "intelligent" one, Jesus is neither an angel or a fallen one!

Neither is Prometheus

All u religious folks are too backward and brainwashed that u don't think properly.

why did u call prometheus a demon when u know nothing about him?

yousuf12: You wanna know what's funny? I did a quick search on NL about you pagans and guess what came up?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-604630.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-342907.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/1001083/ritualist-caught-human-head

https://www.nairaland.com/662132/ritual-killing-sw-nigeria-9/1

You sure you don't kill people in honour of your god(s)?
You tried to fool me just because I'm not a Nigerian or West African lol shame on me for nearly believing you.

There is more don't worry about that my pagan friend I haven'tdone a proper search yet.

I went through all ur links.

And there in the threads Yorubaland was the location of such acts.
but no prove that they are Yoruba pagans.
for all I know it could be people from Cameron, Biafra or Somalia.
They could be muslims or Christians

Yoruba pagans are people who know and practice the Yoruba spirituality, culture and traditions. A pagan doesn't go against the traditions of his land.

There is No where in yorubaland that killing is part of the traditions.

these are nothing but cultist and evil people.

The Orisha of yorubaland don't condone such. Olorun is in control and his children would never disobey.
these people are not sacrificing to the Gods of Yoruba, they maybe sacrificing to Arab Gods.

Btw. U never give the name of the Orisha. If they were truly Yoruba pagans they would kill while reciting prayers and continually mention the name of the Orisha they sacrifice to.

I expected u to show me links of Ogun festivals or Any Orisha festival.


Ur links prove nothing

yousuf12: Look at you with your fake pity. Mate Somalis swear by their ancestors so I don't know where you got the idea that we bash our ancestors.

But anyway since you got caught out there I will look into your pagan religion then we'll compare which religion that is more cruel.

Don't be mad at Islam just because people don't practice ritual killings with you anymore you hypocrite.

I'll speak to you when I know more about your blood thirsty god.

Mr man. U know nothing of Paganism, you know nothing about Traditions, Culture and spirituality of people.

If u did, u would not show such low knowledge.
There is nothing like "pagan religion"
It is "Spirituality"

Paganism is the true way of a people.
There spirituality, traditions, culture and language.

have pride in ur identity.