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Ishilove: No, I meant idolatory. I spit on the idols in my ancestry.

while u at it, make sure u spit on Idols of Jesus, Mary, angels and various saints

Ishilove: My fore-fathers?!? To hell with them. They just left behind for their innocent descendants useless battles with damnable idolatory.

Of course but "To heaven with the Jewish ancestors who u honor"

Jacob was an idolater and so was his grand father Abraham, so wats all this rubbish for? How Can't u see wat idolatry is and shift ur focus to catholism if u really despise idols

[quote author=Nigellus_Hosan]Who has time to start explaining ...

Isn't it obvious just as the sky Is blue that in all d Cosmos there's only 1 true God

I Am



Here O Ye Israel..
The Lord Our God Is One..
The Lord Our God Is Light..
The Lord Our God Is True..
The Lord Our God Is Supreme..

God The Father..The Son & The Holy Ghost..[/quote]Actually, that the sky is blue[or any color] proves nothing. The sky is one, the earth is one, the waters are separate, the mountains are numerous this in fact proves that many Gods are in charge.

Even the ancient Hebrews knew that Yahweh wasn't the only God.
Yahweh has always been one out of other Gods.

Ur Bible can prove this, unless of course u don't read ur Bible.


Keyword - "Israel" are u from Israel or from igboland?
Was dat addressed to u or to Israel?
Why share another man's problems?

You had better go to ur home town and find out the God of ur ancestors and stop hanging on Yahweh the God of the Jewish ancestors

enomasly: 1. we do not call dem demons they were heathens for christ sake they did not beleive in God
2. We wash our mouth maybe d ones u met wer fasting
3. Rite from d days of John d baptist d kingdom of God suffereth violence N D VIOLENT TAKETH IT BY FORCE.....
thank YOU

1. Smh, know nothing about ur ancestors. being Heathen doesn't mean disbelieving God, it just means to disbelief Abrahamics. Our ancestors had their own God, u can't just come and proclaim Jews and Arab Gods over urself- this is mental slavery and brainwash

bizmahn: And who will take you seriously,you that have sold yourself out to satan.Enemy of righteousness.Where do we even rank you,satanist or pagan or what.I have no doubt in my mind you are the same as that PAGAN9JA chap undercover.May God deliver you before its too late.

so I am a satanist because I left ur fraud religion and went back to the religion of my ancestors

Wats satani's business with me? It's u dat keeps calling him everyday and talking about satanism, so maybe u actually a satanist

I am not pagan 9ja.the dude is Hausa and I am Yoruba

Divepen, if u don't know something u ask ur elders in the village or easier still ask ur ever faithful pagan friends.

1. Jesus went to parties so I guess it's cool for Christians to party rock too

2. Rituals done as people carry food to T-junctions are done to take away ill fortune and seek blessings from the Gods.

3. Gods don't eat food They don't need food. The stories u hear about Osun loves Honey and Esu likes Egg and Red oil is simply to make spirituality exciting with it's myths taken from human lives to attach such Gods to enable the children get interested in learning about the Gods with it's many stories.

4. Ebo dropped at T-junction are not carried by any Spirit but are eaten by animals or unfortunate humans eg. Mad men. It's a way of releasing urself from misfortune as ur Ebo is eaten.

The name "Yoruba" was/is specifically in reference to Oyo

back in the days, Ile-Oodua as it was called consisted of many independent nations most of whom migrated from.Ile-Ife, others migrated from outside..maybe even beyond Nigerian territories to mix with the people and create new cultural consciousness

Ekiti is only referred to as Yoruba today because most Ekiti Kete speak Oyo language coupled with the fact that most of Ekiti were Oyo colonies before the Kiriji war.

Ekiti language is not Yoruba (but simply Ekiti), neither is Ondo, Owo, Bini, Ijebu, Ife etc.
They all have their languages with heavy similarities that's why when the Europeans came, seeing the same religion, similar culture and tradition made them proclaim this people as "one tribe" but with the exception of Bini and it's closest Towns because, the Bini were very much independent and strong on their own unlike Owo, Ijesha, Ijebu who were holding on each other.

The Oodua people are not "one tribe" we are different tribes and formerly different nations.

The Owo language is very similar to Bini language than even Oyo

Ijebu is most similar to isekiri

Awori is similar to Oyo

Typical Ekiti accent sounds more like Bini accent than Oyo accent.

The word "Yoruba" is just to merge us together and give us one name.
but in the real sense of the word only Oyo is Yoruba.

Edo(bini) is a distant tribe under the umbrella.
Isan and others are to Edo as Ogbomoso/barapa is to Oyo.

Ekiti, Edo, Oyo, Ijesha, Isekiri etc. are all Tribes of the same ethnic group

Nyumba: nothing

Oh!

Well nice Op

stpat1: urhobos are NOT Edos

Pls could u explain this.

Thanx

Ishilove: Traditional religion indeed. Idolatory has brought nothing worthwhile into most lives except death, sorrow and despair.

more deaths, sorrow and despair than christianity and Islam?

Idolatry has nothing to do here, Idolatry is simply "use of idols".idols are nothing more than honored statues for the fact that they represent something bigger that is unseen.
Am sure u meant "paganism" instead of "idolatry"

Paganism isn't just about worshipping of higher forces aka religion/spirituality it's the way a tribe interacts with it's environment. It deals with every aspect of tribal and ethnic identity- language, culture, tradition and spirituality.

If some pagans have killed u can't blame in on their spirituality but blame it on the community itself, that condones such acts as part of it's traditions.


And pls give a list of reasons why u think Paganic spiritualities are Evil And christianity isn't

bizmahn: where are the steps to improve inter faith coexistence when all I see is lip service & your peeps go on killing innocent christians all over the world including those that make huge sacrifices to help the needy among you.
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You blindly speak of the bible commanding killing of non christians.Are those people people christians or jews.Show me a single verse in the new testament or teachings of Jesus that commands killing
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How many time in this country have christians ever arisen to kill muslims unprovoked.Yet in the time of peace your folks keep killing innocent christians without any iota of provocation including harmless children & pregnant women.
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Your holy books carry contents that command killing of infidels.This forum is filled with it so I won't even waste my time & even the ones that clearly expose the hypocrisy of you folks will be moved to islamic section & hidden.Abegi make we hear.We know you people.Holy book that never encourage killing yet heartless brutal killings all over the world in the name of this religion of peace.

Pls shut up.

U cannot separate NT from OT

If u really feel u have no business with it, tell ur pastors to stop giving u "Memory verse" from OT

The God of OT is the God of NT
The same God who ordered the brutal killing of millions

I know no God can instigate mass murder of such, ur holy prophets are big liars who used the name of Yahweh to lie and commit all sorts of evil acts.

Moses and all those Hebrew men are in hell already

harbiola1: Why i called you a hypocrite and enemy of peace because;
There's no where quran direct violence towards "Non-Conbatants" whether muslims or non-muslims.
Thus, anybody found doing so is acting against the law of the quran.

We have many verses in the bible where violence is directed towards "Non-combatant" old, young, female animals and even tree.
Have you removed those verses from ur bible?
Don't we have christians using it to justify non-christians as AMALEKITES and they should be utterly destroyed.

And i called you an enemy of peace because any step taken to improve interfaith co-existence, people like you always oppose the movements.

Lies upon lies, all u slaves know how to do is lie for ur masters.

Wat about The jihadist and Mohamed's men who went around killing people because they weren't muslims?

U encourage such inhumane act?
All those involved in Such are wicked souls that would born in hell

OLAADEGBU: God had to outlaw marriage between siblings because of the risk that genetic problems brought which was as a result of the curse accompanied with sin.

ur God changes laws

Kinda like a man to me

OLAADEGBU: Someone Said: "Where did Cain get his wife?"

Many ask this question thinking they've found a "mistake" in the Bible—that there must have been other people besides Adam and Eve. Scripture tells us that Adam is "the first man" (1 Corinthians 15:45); that there were no other humans when he was created, because God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone" (Genesis 2:18); and that Eve is "the mother of all living" (Genesis 3:20). Cain and Abel, then, must have married distant sisters. All of the first-generation siblings married each other in order to populate the earth. At that time there was no law against incest. But as the population grew large enough, and as the risk of genetic problems increased because of sin's curse, God outlawed marriage between siblings.

From, The Evidence Bible

Lol. Assumptions

Pls as a Christian aren't u supposed to say only wat the Bible approves and encourages

Show me where in the Bible, u get this from?

Op is a total lie

harbiola1: @ALL, MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS ARE NOT SERVING THE SAME GOD OOO...

MUSLIMS SERVE GOD WHILE CHRISTIANS SERVE JESUS.
SO HOW ARE THEY THE SAME PLS

Jesus is a God as well

Must Christians don't even know wat Jesus represents and take Jesus(yeshua) life as a serious count.

Jesus in heaven has nothing to do with yeshua(Jesus) who lived in Israel, The Roman catholic heads know this. They just used a dead Jew to attach Godly attributes of already worshipped Pagan Gods.

Jesus is the force of salvation, purity, Consciousness and righteousness.

A God under God.

But of course many Christians do not even understand their religion and know nothing about spirituality that's why Esu puts confusion in their midst and they argue amongst themselves.

umar fantami: THE BIBLE AND THE QUR'AN SAYS ONLY ONE GOD


The Noble Quran 112:1

قُلْ هُوَ ٱللَّهُ أَحَدٌ

Qul huwa Allahu ahadun

Say (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)): "He is Allah, (the) One.


Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

BOTH RELIGION SAYS ONLY ONE GOD.

Both christianity and Islam worships one God but that doesn't mean other Gods don't exist.

In my spirituality, numerous Gods exist.
That's how the universe is and u cannot just proclaim a new age religion with men founders to be truth over their pagan foundations

tenderlaw: Umar Fantani, christians can worship on any day of the week that we choose. It's none of your business. Take ur Boko Haram mentality somewhere else. Ewu.

Complete bs.

It's everyone's business because Christianity seems to be invading on other people's practices and Christians don't mind their own business

Muslims are Arab slave dogs, they worship in the Arab way.

So OP u criticize Christians because they are not as slave minded as u.

No African whether Christian or muslim should worship the Jewish or Arab way just because he read it in a book.

Worship God ur own way, the way of ur ancestors.

Kamsy10: Just before you murder somebody with your grammar.
The question is simple: which church do you attend. Please dont be ashamed. Just say it so the catholics and t.b Joshua followers can follow your heavenly pastor.
You de fear to mention the church? yet you're telling us the churches that will got hell. How will u convert the hell bound team nah?. lmao

Don't mind the foolish confused fellow.

Esu is working in his life so just leave him to perish

I am working on a comic series with Yoruba martial arts this movie would be pretty helpful

@op how much do u know about the Yoruba martial arts and it's varieties??

MFM I miss that church

that was my church when I was still blind in darkness

I might visit the headquarters one of these days, I love the power must Change hand program always fire

Bizhman shouldn't be taken seriously, he is a bigot and is against everything that is not his church.

Evil spirits as seen on TV is stage act.

enomasly: no way we do not condemn christmas in anyway

Hail the Sun God on his day

Ok so wats the best bit

1. Pagan MOD in religion section
2. Pagan/Traditional religion section

I think 2 is better for the course but Seun should pls address this issue

I don't support abortion but I can't condemn anyone who does.

I feel it's a personal private decision and people shouldn't interfere.

In cases of teenage pregnancy, this shouldn't be a bummer because there is a fair amount of children from such situations who have made it big and become blessings to their family eg. Selena Gomez

I think abortion should be carefully thought of cause it's a lot of risk.

Ps.,I don't consider abortion- murder

I am enjoying ur debates

Am nt an expert on rap analysis but I know good rap when I hear one.

"You never over" had classic rhymes
"stan" was Eminem telling a story with every word in place, most rappers can't do this
"rap God" was epic, a complete and flawless rap song- it had everything u expect from a rapper and more

tintingz: again Jesus is not the only prophet that has the word of God in him, all prophet has the spirit of God starting from Adam(as)
there is no where Quran called Jesus 'son of God' God strongly condemned begotten a son
Joseph was earthly father of Jesus tho he was born of a virgin mother Mary(as).

The title messiah was for him because he was the chosen one sent to the Israelites, God choose him to come back for a purpose, he will deny what christians called him, he will proclaim Islam as his faith, he will fight the anti-christ beast(dajjal) and gather up the faithful muslims for judgment day.

Actually everybody has the spirit of God. That's wat makes us sentient
It doesn't take a prophet to have the spirit of God

Lol God never condemned anything, humans just have a way of understanding forces


Wrong! Jesus was a false Messiah, Israel rejected him and for a good course because he failed to prove himself.

u sound so silly with the bold.
If Jesus was to rise up from the dead, he would proclaim judaism because that was his religion....where do u get this Jesus-Islam connection from

Who decides wat is moral and wat is immoral?
If some view euthanasia has immoral and wrong but others say it's a good act, then it shows that some factors are behind wat humans view as good or bad.

In my opinion, Euthanasia is not immoral in anyway.
The owner of the life takes that as a favor, it's actually doing good to me.

Here's a quick example from a TV show I watch
A man's leg was bitten by zombies and another man had to cut off the leg to prevent the virus from spreading.
cutting a man's leg is usually immoral but not a such situations.

Ukuts gp: the almighty God nt d pagan gods.

The God of ur fathers house

And there no real difference between "almighty God" and "pagan god"

I.e Olorun is almighty God and also a pagan god

"Elohim" means children of El

"El" means "God" and usually refers to the supreme God of the canaanite pagan spirituality: El Elyon(God most high)
In the Hebrew language "sons of God" would be transliterated as Bene El
And it would refer to "Elohim"- the Gods of The canaanite region.

Many gods existed in the religion of Canaanland, and they were all refered to singularly or multiple as "Elohim"

El Shaddai(God of mountains) was one of the Elohim whom Abraham was devoted to and the Jews continued his worship as the God of their fathers.
It wasn't until the return from Babylon at around 600BC that Israel proclaimed their God as sole God and ruler of the universe- this is a confusion that was carried into christianity.

Exodus 3:4 "God[Elohim] called him out of the midst of the bush"
Exodus 20:3 "thou shall have no other Gods[Elohim] before me"

Here we see "Elohim" used as reference for both singular and plural.

So back to the topic, "Sons of God" in Genesis 6:2 refers to the "sons of El" aka "Elohim"

ifeness: Your explanation is BS!

God is plural not singular . Sons of God/watchers as described in the bible are nothing but Extra terrestrial who came from another planet. The book of Genesis itself is not a full story. It was written from the Sumerian tales of evolution of the planet.

If you do understand that a God is by no means singular,your usage of a God will change." The sons of a God" is the way the writer of a Genesis understood it to be in their own time. Satan is a coded/general word for beings who decided to liberate humans and help them discover their in-built intelligence which was against the wish of the a Elohims.

Shemayaza,Lucifer,Prometheus were typical examples of beings who made risky attempts to rescue humans from the other Gods. Shemayaza thought humans Mathematics,Astronomy,how to make tools etc. lucifer( ENKHI )activated the tree of knowledge in humans ,Prometheus taught humans how to make fire. Are these not genuine helpers of humanity? Besides they were seen as outcastes by the other Gods. The bible talks about all kinds of threats made against Satan and false accusations.

Clearly we are talking about wars going on of eons between powerful races of aliens. It is not our duty as humans to take sides but to rather benefit from the knowledge of Mathematics,science and technology given to us by falsely accused beings.

I see light in this but as I don't consider the greek myths literal just like Yoruba myth

Was prometheus real?
Couldn't his character be symbolic to the intelligence and knowledge of creating fire?

Was mount Olympus the abode of the Gods(who had human features)

In my philosophy, Gods of Paganic spiritualities are only symbolic, taken from the lives of Great men and venerated as the character of the forces around.

Ps. The Jews don't know any "Lucifer"
there's a big confusion in christianity about that personality.