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ImperialYoruba:
The next page.

you dnt realize how that Screenshot is racist? proposing that blacks are inferior to semitic people
so you actually believe semites are some sort of master race and the yoruba must descend from such mastery?

hahn:
Are we running a democratic, monarchic or sharia form of government in this country?

are you taking Nigeria seriously?

distributeinc:
Twerking is a sexual dance...get it, so not right for a Mom to put that in a Lil child's mind.

so says your mind. In some cultures it's a form of obeisance..

Ubenedictus:
I know u are so small that u will have to bring a polite discussion down to insults! Instead of simply asking for a chant u had to insult me because of d smallness of ur mind.

The chants u seek can be found here on nairaland d guy with d username babalawo recently opened a thread on olokun with bini chants. U can check it out. If u were looking for written works u could have simply typed olokun into any search engine.
And if u are going to continue with ur usual insult kindly dont mention me.

why somebody will claim olokun isn't yoruba beats me...there's nothing polite about that when you make a claim your Oba cannot in his dream make. I can remember a guy like that from nairaland can't remember the moniker but he was fraud. ..
what makes you think I have searched for written works?

you can't make a claim and run away. .stand and defend it. unless you know it's wrong from the start

jashar:
ayam a Southern belle...... Times have changed. That's my point. Innocence is fast fading. In African culture, dancing was purely for entertainment and celebrations.

It wasn't for sexual arousal. a lady would not just go and start grinding on top abi in front of a man.

we can bring the innocence back by propagating the African culture and not letting it's bastardization and dilution

jashar:
So, you don't mind your daughter doing such?



Nsogbu a di.

I don't mind. there's no nsogbu anywhere,
somebody cannot dance to her joy again

distributeinc:
That kid is not 2 yrs old,are u a paedophile...

Nah. . I'm not ... I hate pedophilia reason I think what that child did shouldn't be sexualized by your minds

absoluteSuccess:
You just confirm what I said in the past that you want to lure me out on whatsapp.

Why on earth would you want to meet a jester in real life?

What will you do to those you see as 'mad' as a man buried in the acts and secrecy of the occult?

Why do you have the air of knowing your oft changing position is the absolute truth?

The name Oduduwa is a name of migrant group that founded Yorubaland.

If you have better story, it shouldn't have anything to do with Oduduwa. We just witness the fall of fallacy from Edo bloc on Oduduwa as Bini outcast.

I will patiently wait till your data become details. But like the now rested myth from edo, you are a joke as always.

ok!

saintdennis:
But when the child grows up to become a hoe, drug addict, dvck addict, teenage mother etc is it not THE SOCIETY that will be affected?

That armed robber, kidnapper, cultist, paedophile, drug dealer shey na their papa/mama dem dey terrorise abi SOCIETY

YOU neo-colonised africans forget one of the main reasons crime was very low in the old days was because

*family reputation was always on the line
*some crimes(by just 1 person) could lead to the WHOLE FAMILY being banished
*fathers were responsible for what their boys became viz-a-viz mother-daughter thus mothers imparted knowledge (positive knowledge) on their daughters.

Like an African proverb says it takes a village to raise a child.

Keep asking 'what business of ours it is when we see another problem waiting to happen'

it's funny how you try to advocate for africa but fail to realize that like most part of African American culture, twerking evolved from cultures in Africa. .. how much do you know about african dance? especially among southern Nigerian people?

jashar:
I won't lie, i laughed when i saw the lil girl jiggling her bum.

. She's doing it innocently. But, recognition will soon kick in.

Is the mother trying to raise a stripper?

@ those saying ain't nada wrong there.

Comon y'all. Twerking in itself is a provocative dance. It's not like she was doing 'running man'.

Why expose the child to such sensuality @ such a young age?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with twerking. .. surprise you to know that it evolved from african dance moves. ..these moves are taught to girls at a very young age

be proud of your bum, and flaunt the good stuff

Legitman22:
So d next question now is,
Is Oduduwa/Izoduwa a Bini man or a Yoruba man?

very important question. it would have been settled a long time ago if not for 2 reasons
1. early yoruba historians mixing the mythical oduduwa with the historical one
2. absence of evidence backing the Ekalederhan - oduduwa connection

1stCitizen:
Oduduwa fell from heaven and created the world.

Africans never fail to amaze even themselves with such daft ideas.

It's an aberration for you to be alive in this century for thinking someone ever fell from heaven.What a primitive way of reasoning. Please kill yourself for you do not belong here.

smh. didn't you comprehend my last post? I said oduduwa the king. .the actual human being didn't come from heaven. He came from the north east of Ile-Ife. ..scholars have suggested Oke-Ora. ..not mecca that early Muslims were claiming, and most scholars don't take the Ekalederhan story seriously..

ancient cultures from greeks to mayans, yoruba to Japanese have tried to understand the creation of the world. ..and they express their understanding through myths rich in personification. ... Oduduwa that created the world is not a "someone" but an Ebora

I'm not going down this road again with you, if you don't understand you ask not act wise when you are only foolish

1stCitizen:
"oduduwa the Ebora from heaven"

" that created the world"

Yes. . if you have a problem with that, it only means you are not bright

Ubenedictus:
U guys simply adopted olokun and added ur own stuff.

you are one of the dumbest bini fellows I have encountered.

I asked what are your findings from your research and you spam my mentions with this bullshit? no chants? no recorded report, not even the meaning of the name "olokun" nothing smh

damned inferiority complex

1stCitizen:
I have read both the Yoruba and Bini accounts. The Benin account makes more sense while the Yoruba account defies logic.

Ekaladeran Izoduwa being a Bini prince must have arrived Ile-Ife dressed in Bini Princely attire. The long journey made him tired and decided to sleep underneath some shade. He was found sleeping by primitive Ife hunters.

Benin being way more of an advanced society means these attires were viewed in primitive Ife as heavenly and divine.

The hunters thought this celestial looking being who spoke a foreign language dressed in shining gold and ivory must be a gift from heaven and dropped down to rule over them.

Boom! Izoduwa became King and his name mispronounced as Oduduwa.

The Binis lost their King and decided to trace his descendant. They arrived Ife but Izoduwa refused to leave as he was deemed a god-King by the Yorubas. Rather he sent his young son Oramiyan with the same bloodline who the Binis crowned King.

No one has ever fallen from heaven. I believe the Bini version because Benin has documented every detail of all their rulers till date while that of the Yoruba is not but based on folklore.

This is from a neutral party. I am not Bini or Yoruba.

some igbo people ehn... your hate for yoruba is legendary

so this is the logically bullshit you had?

ife people were never considered primitive in the way you like to think. ..and certainly that's not how oduduwa became king of ife...stop your comedy

also, there's a difference between the oduduwa the Ebora from heaven that created the world and Oduduwa the king of ife. .. two different characters mixed up by early reporters of the oduduwa personality

AkinPhysicist:
This Macof guy is a very intelligent African - I like guys like this. Macof follow me back joor.

thanks

Ubenedictus:
D ogiamwen didnt sue d oba, ogiamwen is missing, arisco sued the oba and d ogiamwen family disowned him quicky after aserting he isnt a direct descendant of d missing ogiamwen.

d so called treaty is a ritual not compulsory, it has been missed over 10times. the ogiamwen is part of d uzama n'bie and subject to the king.

the ogiamwen was shown clemency because of d memory of evian who was a good administrator.

but arisco has already done the coronation, can a man crown himself?... the thing is the ogiamien family is divided
sucks for them though...i hope they sort things out . the treaty is essential...probably the 2nd most important part of the coronation after the 'picking' of a name for the Oba unless they have cheated the ogiamien out. I read someone who joined in the burial of the father of the missing ogiamien was supposed to fill in for him. messed up arrangement if you ask me, why not just dethrone the 'missing' ogiamien on grounds of not properly following his duty or proclaim him dead and crown another person

2dugged:
I have cautioned yiu earlier to stop insulting people, but you choose to be uncouth, just gave you a taste of your own medicine, hope it tastes good?, oops!,

were

evansjeff:
I'll have to confirm that then...but of my almost three decades in this kingdom I've never heard of that, maybe I missed it anyway but I doubt...if you can be of help, just remind me of some of the places the last Oba visited. Thanks

going past the last Oba. . Oba Akenzua welcomed the queen of England outside the palace
he was also travelling out of Benin for the Western Nigeria council of chiefs headed by Ooni Aderemi before the mid west was created

traditionally the oba of Benin led wars. ..until Oba ehengbuda was injured and had to be restricted in the palace

xolomonstrides:
You are right about the oba dynasty originating from ife, replacing the ogiso dynasty in igodomigodo( old name for bini) but before you go further so that no one gets confused by this post,have you asked yourself where oduduwa came from? Heaven___mythology, mecca___Yoruba historians, Benin___ Benin historians. Now act as a learned person, read the three accounts and let common sense guide you in choosing what to believe.

The mecca claim was invented by Muslims in Oyo, It's not a yoruba thing. The coming from heaven is a myth of creation not historical...this oduduwa is an Ebora (spirit) sometimes personified as a woman


but we are talking about the oduduwa who was a king not a spirit
ife traditions which include coronation rites, shrine sites, popular sayings among others points to Oke-Ora as oduduwa's origin
Infact an Ife historian - Eluyemi claims "Atewonro"( descending on a chain) is reference to Oduduwa descending from Ora hill... not from heaven

techblogtips:
sorry its not superstition but culture and tradition , you can try a visit to the palace since its free and you can contact lalasticala so you go together

but it's still superstition tho. . the one about palm kernel

O0ni:
The Ooni is starting to piss me off.

This same Bini kingdom never sent the crown prince nor did the king show up for the Ooni's coronation in Ife.

Yet, over the fact that he's just bored or has a problem with sitting in his palace, he has somehow managed to find his way to Bini just to appear in the news and hang out with Fulani kings.

Meanwhile, Junior but heavy weight kings in Yoruba land like Alaafin & Co were not there. Not even Owo king & Eleko, thrones with Bini influence, were there.

the people our kingmakers crown are the reason people are considering the Oba of Benin throne is higher than the Ooni throne


but then Asa ti baje tan, when an Ooni says "Jesus is my father" you know there's something wrong

joey150:
Africa should get rid of all these things..where was our so called tradition when the white man took us all as slaves.. These things help set us back many thousand years..that is why most of our big strides in development came when we where under our colonial masters.

We keep dwelling on tradition that adds no tangible meaning or advancement to our society at large.


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All of you mentioning me have refused to tell me how most of our traditions have added value to our society.

I dont know of any Oba where i live till they need 7 heads to bury him.. Is this the type of traditions we should hold onto?

Or traditions where we marry out 12 year olds and deny them the right to basic education ?? I can go on and on....

another mental slave on nairaland.

you say white men took us all as slaves. . oga ade park well, they surely have you as a slave going by your words but there are people like me who are free...people who know their history and the greatness of our traditions

you cannot take out time to learn about Africa.... You probably haven't heard about Kanem-Bornu, Oyo Empire, Malian Empire, Ghanaian empire, Egypt, Nubians, Kongo.

And stop being a slowpoke, nobody buries 7 heads with any Oba neither is it traditional to marry 12 year Olds. .. they do that in the north because of religion. .. pick that up with Arabs and moronic black Africans who follow their ways

odigbosky:
I am going to take my time to try and give you details and only hope you can understand because I don't know the history books you have been reading.

1) The Tsoede I read about is said to be an Igala prince that formed the Nupes into a kingdom. Just as an Edo prince established the kingdom in Eko and same in warri.
2) I thought one of the most ancient in Nigeria and west africa is the NOK civilization in the Plateau not the Nupes at all. Infact the monoliths in cross river states dates far back to years before most of the kingdoms in what we call Nigeria started forming. So I don't know how Nupe has become the oldest civilization all of a sudden.
3) Since the history of the Benin-ife relations, the argument of Oronmiyan being the conqueror of Benin has never stood. Even your people say Oduduwa sent one of his sons to rule Benin. You only send someone to rule on your behalf when you have conquered. Son from your own argument, who conquered Benin, Oduduwa or Oronmiyan
4) It is shocking to see how someone who has no knowledge about the geographical details of a place starts writing stuffs about it. Did you know that as the early 1960's Benin did not cross the main place you call Oguola. Now, Oba Oguola built a moat around benin, that moat is about 15mins drive from the palace. Do you know that people leaving in the hamlets of aduwawa usually before crossing the ikpoba river called the other side, the ogbe area as Edo(Benin). Infact the main stretch of the ikpoba river is a dukedom of its own called Uteh. if you read about the Ogiso dynasty it will tell you that many ogisos came from various hamlets. Do you know that Useh is less than 30mins drive from the palace. Even Egor, yet these whole places are now what we call Benin due to rapid expansion. Even Uselu was a village. So it was the main Ogbe axis that was called Edo by the people leaving around that Ogbe. So when they say the Igala attack did not even cross the ikpoba river as at then, try and think about the distance frm Ogbe to the ikpoba river on foot. You can only know this if you know Benin. So the Igala attack did not cause Edos to live on hill tops, infact Edo people in Edo north where already leaving there in lowlands since the time of Ewuare I. Read about the histories of towns like Agenebode, okpella and many more. If Edo people ran to hill tops it was later in the 18th century when the Nupe's raided northern fringes of the land for slaves and this was stopped by Esan Warriors. Now the slave route, is if you can imagine the present Benin-Abuja road and try and see the areas largely affected by islam in the Edo north senatorial district. You will see that they are mainly hamlets along this present road and many other hamlets in the interior never had contact with the Nupes at all, and as at that time Benin was no longer a kingdom, it was an Empire. Remember the empire started at about the mid 14th century until the british ended it.
5) Bros Benin has never, ever existed close to the river Niger, it is kingdoms like that of the Igalas, Asaba, and onitsha that did and in Asaba and onitsha both had migrations from Benin you can read about that your self. The ruling house of Onitsha testifies of it. Not that they even migrated from Benin directly (ogbe axis) they migrated from various hamlets in what is now referred to the aniocha lands in present delta state which were all parts of the growing kingdom of igodomigodo until the name was changed to Edo. We never called ourselves or the empire Benin. Yes we all came from a place, I cnt deny that fact.
6) Bro you are the one telling me about this ijaw stuff, the ijaws are riverine people, Benin is not riverine. Even the ijaws don't even claim what you are claiming. I don't know where you are generating this EFA stuffs from. I also know that the KWA is used in describing groups of langauges in the Niger-congo basin of which the yoruba, edo, igbo, and many other dialects are parts of.
7) This one really is the height of all your fabrication, Oshodin originating from Tsoede. Bro you need to read about Benin Palace life and how things worked.
For you to come out and lie like this, you are courageous, that the Benin empire came as a result of the collapse of the oyo empire. You can't compare sokoto with Benin. Both was great in its own sphere. You can compare Songhai, Mali, ancient Ghana and Sokoto because they originated from an area with very close features and they did arise from one's decline. The Only Empire in the south of what we call Nigeria apart from Benin was Oyo, Oyo was not even fully in the forest like Benin, she was at the Northern fringes of the forest, that's why she could operate in the grassland and in the forest as well. Benin was completely in the forest, and at the height of Oyo, Benin was also there in her own domain, both empires rose at their own pace almost at the same time. Oyo decline did not affect Benin, while Benin was a dominat power in the coasts, oyo could not boast of that. Please let's keep sentiments apart, try and see various maps used by early europeans who traded in the south west and south south, you will see how the empire really was.....

I like how you corrected some of the misinformations, not knowing it all is not something to be ashamed of

I believe you consider Oduduwa to be Ekaladerhan... is this because you have evidence or because you just want to follow what you perceive as loyalty to Bini whether it's true or not

I just have few questions

1. what coronation rites connected to Ekaladerhan exists in Bini, we know of rites connected to Oranmiyan, Eweka I, Ewedo and Ewuare I
2. what part of the Oba's ancestral praise is connected to Ekaladerhan or the Ogisos... as there are references to Ife and Oduduwa(not Imadoduwa or Izoduwa)
3. what pre-independence reports about Ekalerdahan can you mention, we can analyze it


I'm asking cause I there's no way you can tell people something like this without backing the claims up with some kind of evidence

Ever since colonialism, we've had so much distortion of history in nigeria. ..so much that history is no longer taught in schools (which I think is a good thing, considering the nonsense they could be taught)...it's best to fix the cracks and fill the holes
so if bini has traditions about oduduwa, how come Ife missed that part? very important to clear that up

dijas:
people that come outside are used for sacrifice, if u want to confirm, come outside

What's this one going mad about? I'm yoruba, my uncles still participate in oro. . I think I would know if any person in the town has gone missing
stop bringing shii out of your brain. ..it's a brain not an ass

mikolo80:
Tradition (what we've been doing) yes

Fortunately, new culture can be practiced instead
Culture of merit,knowledge,wisdom not age by default or superstition
Culture that rewards not punishes curiosity
You have nothing to say
Is our nation (Nigeria or Oduduwa doing well)
Talk true
Do you see us excelling in anythin as a people (not individuals o)
I'm talking reality o

I thought I said I give up. .. what again? go to Europe or Asia and practice their culture and traditions instead

Lmao . I'd like to meet one of you people one day .... I'm starting to think this is a joke. .like for fun

mikolo80:
I have I do I am But not because of some discredited disillusioed culture I am respected as a person cos of the way I carry myself

smh. I just can't reply you dude.. I give up on you If you think african culture is evil good for you. ..let's see you turn European

LordAdam:
You didn't make points. All of what you wrote were shameless unverified lies.

I've already shared a verifiable link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_Empire) on this thread that backs the Bini prince theory of Oduduwa's sojourn to Ife. I ask you to provide a verifiable resource that backs your assertions, and what I receive is an excerpt from a book that does not state how Oduduwa ended in Ife.

Give me a verifiable resource or keep shut!

Until you do, the available facts show that Oduduwa was a Bini prince.

The Binis would not have accepted Ornaminya if he was not the true descendant of the exiled Bini prince, because there's no record of any battle between the Ife and Bini kingdom. Nor would they have accepted Eweka I if he was not the true descendant of Ekaladerhan.

These are the proud Bini people we are talking about. They are not like you cowards.

-Lord

ok. you aren't even Bini
just another hateful anti-yoruba nairalander... probably igbo

wikipedia on Benin history vs a well researched work by Rowland Abiodun and Suzanne Preston Blier

Firstboi01:
03. We've all come across messages like this...

every time. . e don taya me
or the one that says something like share to 10 friends in 1 minute and watch who calls in 30 secs

2dugged:
actually you and your ancestors are the daft ones,so one oduduwa came from the sky and another came from the middle east, isorite, we hear, you said earlier that the Oba of Benin will visit Ile ife after his coronation, we are watching, afonjas, please converge at Ile ife and keep waiting for him,but if he does I hope you and your afonja brothers will not hug transformers sha, because this your painment could become suicidal, bye, see you in Ile ife

for u to insult people's ancestors it means u have no respect for yours.... it takes a scum with questionable parentage to insult people's ancestors

2dugged:
if your were not the one born stupid, you should have noticed the f on my moniker, they always say assumptions is for fools, you just demonstrated it,now go and take your drugs, seems your painment is beginning to result to high BP
last bullet,if after reading this you still chose to spread you fake tales, I can't help you,Ogiso Owodo was the last Ogiso. The break came because there was no heir. This is called the interregnum period.
Prince Ekaladerhan was the heir to Owodo. But the Prince's step-mother called Esagho schemed to get him killed. Faking a message from an oracle priest, and claiming that only his death would avert disaster in Benin. Sadly & reluctantly Owodo accepted it, for the welfare of his Kingdom.
But the Isiewmenro (Royal Executioners) who took the prince to the forest to sacrifice could not bear to kill him. They made him swear an Oath never to return to Benin but run for his dear life. He did. He travelled towards Owo (70 miles due North-West of Benin). Then he moved towards a village now called Ife. Ife is also roughly 70 miles West of Owo. So he entered Ife from the East. A prediction Ife people had been given about a ruler coming from the East.
With time back in Benin, Esagho could not produce an heir as she had hoped. Owodo later got suspicious and sent other emissaries to the oraclist. That was when the scam was revealed. But it had become known that Ekaladerhan through divinity was in fact alive but he could not be traced in Owodo's life time. So the crown remained vacant. So Evian (now Ogiamien family) became ruler as the most powerful local chieftain of Igodomigodo (as Benin was called then) but NOT a King.
In the meantime, Ekaladerhan has found fortune in Ife & made king. He exclaimed that "Izoduwa" meaning I have been favoured/achieved my destiny. This became Ododuwa. A similar corruption of name would happen to Ododuwa's grandson in Benin two generations later. The exclamation "Owomika" in Youruba became Eweka I of Benin.
In fact my relative is the duke/chief of the ancient village (actually now part of Benin metropolis) where Eweka made that exclamation in About 1170 AD. In just over a week from now, The Crown Prince will be making a similar exclamation (at exactly same spot as 800 years ago) near my relative's ducal palace. That exclamation is what his Title & name will become for life.
And all his children and descendants will henceforth bear that name as surname. Except his first son who will chose his own regnal name when crowned in the future.
Ekaladerhan was known to be alive already so the search continued for decades. Until he was traced to Ife. He refused to return, having sworn an oath not to. But he sent his son "Omonoyan", basically meaning beloved child. What was called Oranmiyan by Ife people.
Oranmiyan was accompanied by yoruba courtiers including Oloton. Chief Oloton today remains in charge of Royal ancestral shrine. Oranmiyan's son Eweka I restored the monarchy in Ogiso line. Benin people were ready to keep the stool vacant for decades then, just like they did while Ovonramwen was in exile in Calabar for 17 years.
So Ife people came to be very welcome in Benin & seen as our relatives. Even after Oranmiyan left.
Now we all know Yoruba versions of Ododuwa: from coming from the Sky to coming from Mecca. Judge for yourself what is scientifically possible.
Idia was the mother of Oba Esigie. Esigie ruled from 1504 to 1550. Idia was the wife of Oba Ozolua. Both her husband and son go down in history as successful warrior Kings/emperors.
She was a warrior Queen Mother with her own Royal Regiment personally commanded by her at war front. She played a major role in helping Esigie expand the empire. Europeans even accompanied Esigie to wars in Eastern Yorubaland & extolled Benin war tactics including Ifianyako (encirclement) of enemy soldiers.

all you say here I've heard before many of which are false especially the omonoyan nonsense. .. gimme fresh stuff that can open my mind

like. ..
1. coronation rites connected to Ekaladerhan
2. Ekaladerhan mentioned in the Ancestral praise of any Oba
3. pre-independence reports about the Ekalederhan story


I'm here to learn if you have anything to teach

I'm convinced you don't tho


about oduduwa coming from the Sky. . again I say u are daft! how many times will I tell you that the name oduduwa applies to different characters in Yoruba traditions
the oduduwa who is also called Ajalorun is a spirit (an Ebora) which is credited with the creation of the world
but we are talking about the oduduwa aka Olofin Adimula here..two different things