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LordAdam:
I've said it repeatedly, when you post conjectures as facts, be decent enough to back them up with links, books, manuscripts.

I have backed my assertions with a link (with the page referencing multiple books and resources).

In comparison, all you're typing are words. Ramblings not worth the energy used to type them.

Back them up with resources, and then you'll have my ears.

Until then, keep lying to yourself so you can sleep better at night or feel good about your sorry self..

Ekaladerhan is Oduduwa. Oduduwa is a Bini prince.

Bini princes rule the Yorubas.

-Lord

he couldn't address a single point

links? first of all I saw no links. .and if links are what you have. . then posting something from websites like Edoworld or edofolks or books telling the Ekalerdahan story is just comedy because they are just claims. ..not facts


I ask for simple evidence ... what can serve as evidence
1. coronation rites connected to Ekaladerhan. either in Bini or yorubaland
2. Ekaladerhan mentioned in the Ancestral praise of any Oba
3. pre-independence reports about the Ekalederhan story


https://books.google.de/books?id=LF43BAAAQBAJ&pg=PA353&lpg=PA353&dq=oke+ora+oduduwa&source=bl&ots=EmuwRwGysl&sig=szyc83-W7D22kHMsM0_QLrNKsU0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwit5M-M-uvPAhWlDMAKHXEGCFkQ6AEIKjAC#v=onepage&q=oke%20ora%20oduduwa&f=false

2dugged:
mock?,claiming progenity over the Edo people is an insult on its own, anyway your painment changes nothing, since you yorubas claim the entire earth including other continents were covered with water and your sky man ancestors was the first to come down to earth with his favorite chicken can you do us all a favor and kindly tell us where his wife came from, that has been bugging me,did she follow him from the sky or she was a mermaid inside the water, I just want clarifications hehehehe, you clowns are actually the stupid ones who choose to believe in one incoherent unreasonable tale, how stupid can one be?,continue in your painment, ekun painment to you , people with sky ancestors, sky chicken, and a possible water woman, let me even ask, where did Oduduwa's son get his own wife from,since there were no other people on earth then,don't tell me he married his sister?

this guy was born stuupid

he still didn't understand a thing from my post


why not ask your bini elders where Idu got a wife and all that you're asking about oduduwa atewonro

The Edo version is that, in the beginning, Osanobua (God, Oghene-Osa, decided to populate the world so He asked His four sons in Erinmwin (Heaven) to choose whatever gift of nature each fancied. The oldest chose wealth, the next in age chose wisdom, the third chose mysticism (spiritual energy) and as the youngest was about to announce his choice, Owonwon (the Toucan) cried out to him to settle for a snail shell. This did not make sense to him but he settled for it all the same. The brothers laughed at his stupid choice but Osanobua said it was a wise choice. That when they get to the middle of the water where He was sending them, the youngest son should pour the sand in his snail shell into the water. There was no land only water everywhere and the four sons were in a canoe, sailing, drifting, propelled by the power of eziza (wind). In the middle of the water stood a tree on top of which lived (Owonwon) the toucan. The importance of the emergence of the tree before man on earth is not lost on modern science, which recognizes that without the tree manufacturing oxygen, life on earth would have been impossible. Modern science has also confirmed the Edo cosmology that birds, insects etc, preceded man to earth. The Edo myth of creation was earth based in scope. When the children got to the middle of the water, the youngest son poured his snail shell sand into the water resulting in an explosion from the bottom of the water that forced volumes of sand to gush out of the water and fill up space around them for as far as the eyes could see. With the explosion, the four elements of creation, amen (water), eziza (air), arhen (fire) and oto (sand or land), were in place. Land was everywhere but the kids did not know what it was. They were afraid to climb out of the canoe to step on the land, so they sent the Chameleon to test its firmness. That is why the Chameleon walks with hesitation. The youngest son of Osanobua was the only spirit out of the four sons who could have the physical human body attribute on stepping on the land, because that was the advantage of the physical or material choice he made. It was put in his hand from heaven.


https://newafrikan77./2015/09/17/edo-origin-creation-story-myth-and-history-840-bce-1100-ce-part-1/

LordAdam:
This is not a game.

Princes get banished all the time. If two princes contested a throne, the losing prince may either be killed or allowed to go on exile.

Even in Europe banished princes became rulers of other kingdoms and ultimately ruled their own kingdom. It was the way of the old.

Don't talk like a crappy student of history. It appears that beyond the folklore you've been entertained, you know nothing about the history and socio-economical relations of people now occupying present day Nigeria before there was a Nigeria in the first place.

ok. I don't know anything. . I don't even know what banishment means


Oba of Benin is representative of Eweka.
Ooni is representative of oduduwa

did you get it? how eweka is greater than oduduwa beats me

such nonsense.


When you realize that Eweka had to be authorized from Ife. ..but oduduwa didn't rule with the authority from Igodomigodo maybe when you become smart enough to realize the implications of that you would have something better to say. ..for now you're just full of shiit

Oduduwa started a new dynasty in Ife. It doesn't erase the blood that flows through him. It is Bini blood.

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Oranmiya who started the new dynasty in Oyo empire carried Bini blood.
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The first Oba of Bini who started the dynasty that eclipsed the dynasty of the Ogisos carried Bini blood. In fact, he had to marry a Bini princess to birth a heir that could have sat on the Bini throne.

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Ooni Ogunwusi has Bini blood flowing through him, not Ife blood. You could even say he is not a pure bred Yoruba. He even had to divorce his Yoruba wife and marry a Bini wife immediately he was crowned. His son would be more Bini than Yoruba. The thrones of Ife and Oyo will forever be manned by people of Bini heritage.
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Even if I nationalize in the US today, it does not erase the fact that I have Nigerian blood flowing through me.

but how can you convince scholars that Oduduwa has Benin blood? as far as the world is concerned talking about oduduwa is a yoruba duty and no yoruba tradition has it that Oduduwa has Benin blood

what rites were done during the Oba of Benin' s coronation that links with Ekaladerhan? what part of the Oba's praise links with the Ogiso or Ekaladerhan? what part of any Yoruba oba links with Ekaladerhan. ... you need proof dude

not only is this Ekaladerhan story only being heard recently, it is full of things that don't apply to Oduduwa

at least you accept that Oranmiyan was the one who ended ogiso and started the Oba dynasty. And we don't accept the Ooni was started by Ekaladerhan you see how we win

I wonder how you feel about Bini princes ruling over you, and yet come only to talk trash about the Bini throne.

Now who has an inferiority complex.

I really don't care if Somalian princes were ruling... I'm in this for my interest in History.. ehmm you say ruling as if any king in modern Nigeria is really ruling. .. don't think bini kingdom still exists. . it's dead, alongside all the yoruba kingdoms and northern emirates
It's the constitution of Nigeria and the president of Nigeria and the 36 State governors that rule now


actually You have all the inferiority complex. you had to invent a story just to have something to claim over yorubas. .. For Bini kingdom to have been ruled by a line of kings from Ife annoys you. accepting what was true to the bini 200 years ago is now unacceptable to you. .. Inferiority complex

The Bini people are proud people and do not let outsiders tell their story for them. Especially not inferiors ruled by princes from Bini.


Now run away you Yoruba scum, your ancestors knew better than to speak this vanity you now hold dear. If you were alive before colonialism and said this shit in even Akure or Eko where the Bini Oba ruled with his might, you would have lost your tongue.

-Lord

this is hilarious. so oba of Benin hates truth? your Ekaladerhan story is faulty and can't possibly be about oduduwa simple truth! Ekaladerhan is Ekaladerhan. .. Oduduwa is oduduwa.. Before colonialism nobody ever said Ekaladerhan was oduduwa.
this is a recent invention to help sooth your inferiority complex towards yoruba. You people just realized that you've given Ife a lot of credit which sickens you now. ..it's the Nigerian environment. ..

Before Nigeria, Bini told the world how it's kings are descendants of an Ife Prince. ..nobody heard of Ekaladerhan,

Before Nigeria, Bini told the world that it's bronze casters were taught by an Ife man. .now they deny it


Before Nigeria, Bini told the world that it's kings were traditional authorized by the Ooni of Ife...now saying this is problem


And about Oba of Benin ruling with might and all that. .. Akure is not what you should mention... Akure gave you lot the toughest time of your empire's existence

MabraO:
Mind u uhe didn't mean source
It means vagina or virgin or a new beginning

A proposed king being banish found himself in a new kingdom Nd happens to be king in that new kingdom den named it uhe

So ur story about oduduwa being ur first man on earth does not correlate u guys need to find ur root not dome concorted stories


U know y u finding it difficult to believe? Cos u has a way of fabricating things to suit u

The history is there so where it favors u u clinge to it nd where it doesn't u decide to fabricate.

The history of oduduwa i.e. Ekaladeran didn't start 20yeats ago it started around 1170 ce

U guys forgot u had ooni in Ife before oduduwa came

Now tell me wot year did d Oba of Ife started being referred to as ooni
Because kings before oduduwa were referred to as Oba y the tittle ooni nd not d continuation Oba?

and what is the vagina if not a symbol of origin and source of life?

Lmao you fool yourself bro,

1. You people say Oduduwa named the land "Ilefe" meaning "safe escape" now he also named it "Uhe" meaning "beginning"? pls think, use your head. Uhe and Ile-Ife are two related words describing the same thing from two different languages. .. bini language only recognize "Uhe" nothing like Ilefe which is a cognate with "Ife/Ufe" like "Iha" is cognate with "Ifa" that's the Bini - Yoruba language pattern...Yoruba "f" turns to "h" in Bini language

so please pick one lie. .. either Oduduwa named it Uhe or Ilefe and at least stand by it. .. it is impossible for it to be both


2.
This takes me further;
The bini name "Uhe" actually predates oduduwa. ...he didn't name anything.. Just as the yoruba name "Ufe"(Ife dialectic form) predates oduduwa
This is a testament to the common origin of both Edo and Yoruba people

Uhe means New Beginning
Ufe/Ife means Expansion. .a spreading out
clearly the meanings are connected.. as something spreading out signifies a new beginning

I find it difficult to believe because Ekaladerhan doesn't fit oduduwa's story
the people who connected Ekaladerhan to oduduwa about some years ago didn't know anything about oduduwa... they had read from poorly researched book authors

let's examine it
1. Ekaladerhan left Igodomigodo, Oduduwa had never been linked to the Edo area. ..no yoruba traditions is known as such
2. Ekaladerhan was a healer and bush hunter. ..Oduduwa was a warrior...no yoruba tradition of him healing or hunting
3. Ekaladerhan became ooni Because the Ife people loved him for all the help he rendered in healing and saving them with bush meat (as if Ife people didn't have hunters and herbalists ) so they rewarded him by making him king ...Oduduwa wasn't loved, he became Ooni through a war, a war declared by him
4. Igodomigodo chiefs were received by Ekaladerhan and they spoke bini... lmao this is funny. ..obviously this is not Ife traditions for a long time was that the King cannot reveal himself to commoners and certainly not foreigners, he had chiefs to do that, there are 8 high palace officials(Modewa) for that purpose amongst others that could have addressed the people from Igodomigodo ..Oduduwa assumed a Godlike status as king of the city of the Gods. ..he couldn't have received foreigners from Igodomigodo to have a conversation in Bini language with them

these are points I remember from the Ekalederhan story I've read. ..
doesn't fit oduduwa

Ife traditions has it that Oduduwa was from Oke-Ora community at the outskirts of Ife towards Ijesa (north east of Ile-Ife), he was the leader of the people of the Ora Hill. ..and they wanted to join the confederacy of the 13 valley communities(called Ile-Ife) because they needed fertile land and certain resources only the valley had, The valley people refused and He led a war against the people against his idea notably Obatala who was the Prime of Ife as the most powerful of the 13 Obas(yes Oba. ..they went by the title "Oba" making ife the origin of the title)..Oduduwa won the war, unified all Ife and ruled as Olufe (Lord of Ife), which Bini call "Oghene n'Uhe"


Your Ekaladerhan story just miss road

2dugged:
why are you so pained?, I can see your frustration from they way you have been insulting people in your mentions, can't you atleast be civil?, anyway I am hearing that you yorubas originated from the middle east, and that Oduduwa wasn't a sky man after all,they say he was an Arab man,so says bakirebulmaker , i will also advise you to calm down and stop acting like an uncouth savage,insulting people will only make you look stupid

u mock my people and don't want insult. you're not serious

smh. . didn't u comprehend my post at all? I already told you the name "oduduwa" applies to more than one character in Yoruba traditions. .. reason you hear that oduduwa is a female by some people notably by Ketu(Anago: yorubas in Benin Republik) and Awori people

and actually, yes I'm pained! pained at how a fellow human being can be so stupid as to mock the story of a man coming from the Sky as of your ethnic group doesn't tell the same story. . how you are happy about your stupidity beats me. .. there's just a lot wrong with you

LordAdam:
Who is claiming?

Oduduwa is from Bini.

FACT.

Or maybe you should read my posts on this thread.

If not for the Bini giving you guys Oduduwa, you guys would have been a bunch of rag-wearing riff-raffs. Because Oyo empire was birthed by a descendant of Oduduwa, and the empire was instrumental for creating a Yoruba hegemony that staved off the Fulani Jihad.

Deal with this fact supported by historians or hang yourself.

-Lord

oh and lemme just play your game. cus I will murder you in either scenario

let's say oduduwa is Ekaladerhan

in what part of africa is a banished person claimed by the people who banish him? you sent the nigga away, he was received by better people. .he rejected you henceforth and as he was already banished he stopped being Igodomigodo. ..and as he was accepted into ife. .he started being an Ife man. he didn't become king of ife under Igodomigodo authority unlike the Oba of Benin who became king of bini under Ife authority
...he was buried in Ife like an Ife man but Eweka and all obas before ovoramwen were buried in Ife (as men with ife origin)

it's common sense but modern bini folks seem to have lost that as inferiority complex came barging in

you see either way you lose this supremacy war

LordAdam:
Who is claiming?

Oduduwa is from Bini.

FACT.

Or maybe you should read my posts on this thread.

If not for the Bini giving you guys Oduduwa, you guys would have been a bunch of rag-wearing riff-raffs. Because Oyo empire was birthed by a descendant of Oduduwa, and the empire was instrumental for creating a Yoruba hegemony that staved off the Fulani Jihad.

Deal with this fact supported by historians or hang yourself.

-Lord

frustrated he - goat

Have you finished singing praise to the child of oranmiyan? it's not that painful to be ruled by foreigners...just look at the British monarchy. ..they have foreign origin. ..nothing special there
rather than turning yourselves to hateful liars. .cus I insists you folks know it's a lie. ..you know damn well but inferiority complex is a bitchh

2dugged:
to think they didn't even bring up some reasonable lie, they had to bring up the sky man and the chicken story, such clowns, I wonder how so called educated people will gladly accept that one sky man and his chicken formed the earth, I just read, and laugh, anyway let them keep waiting for the Oba of Benin in lle ife, we are watching, no need to argue further

idiott! same sky man story that your ancestors are guilty of telling - either you are igbo or Edo. . you have such myth too

Yorubas have their stories extended far, don't blame us for the relative insignificance of your lores

MabraO:
I am tired of these Yoruba children that don't know their root

U feed on some concorted stories.

The Oba of Benin even made it clear today in front of the Ooni that their Oduduwa was their banished son Ekaladeran who they were supposed to kill but u stead allowed to wander in the bush till he found himself in uhe(now present day Ife)

There is a question I ll ask u Yoruba folks
How come non of oduduwa's son took after the throne except his Chiefs that was next in line to him which Ogun?

I wonder why "Uhe" means "source" In Edo language
this Edo people be insulting their "source" or at least the representation of their source

what did you expect from him? to say Ekaladerhan is not oduduwa? is that not going against the bini agenda? agenda that no scholar has ever taken seriously since you guys created the story about 20 years ago


none of Oduduwa's son took over immediately after because they were already out creating dynasties. .. and the family of Obatala had restarted the civil war...they won this time and Obatala's brother Obamakin became the Ooni. ..after some years Oranmiyan returned and all Ooni's have been descended from him ever since

2dugged:
so it's now binis and igbos, afonjas will not sieze to amaze me on this forum, clown sky people, please where did the sky man get his wife from, did she follow him from the sky too?or she was found inside the water that covered the surface of the earth?

you are so stupid. instead of retracting your mockery you instead take another turn. it's best you free your mind to learn

For your information
1. the bini also talk of their ancestor forming earth with a sand in a snail shell over the waters, they call that character Idu....so do the igbos. . they call that Eri

2. oduduwa atewonro ajalorun is different from oduduwa Olofin Adimula... the first being an Ebora (a spirit being from the creation of the world) and the later an earthly man from Oke-Ora who became the Olufe... Oduduwa didn't come from bini. . his people are still in Oke-Ora today, and the Ooni of Ife goes to his house to collect his crown during every coronation. .. the crown (although a makeshift, as the original is in Idanre) is presented by Olojudo, a descendant of a relative of oduduwa... people from this part of ife founded my town

Omeny:
Why will u join issues with me when u have non?

You blame Nairaland for this exposure.

I thank Nairaland for giving us Edos opportunity to thoroughly match you pple that are spreading wrong historical facts out there.

Thank you Nairaland.

i hope u know that no scholar takes u clowns seriously. shout from now till a thousand years u are too small to claim oduduwa.. deal with it

2dugged:
I have heard you oga,just like it's a fact that your oduduwa came from the sky, I still try to wonder why he was banished from heaven, and what happened to that chicken that formed the earth but you keep evading my question and delving into other things, now it's Oguola not bronze casters any more,hehehehehehe, that's where y'all got it wrong,when next you want to spread false tales, stick with something that is reasonable to all,not all this your sky stories, and from there you start twisting things,hehehehe, I bet you were there when oduduwa killed the chicken and sacrificed it to ifa after the earth was formed

igbo and bini have same myth just different name
its disgusting how u try to mock a story ur ancestors are guilty of telling.. shameless people
or maybe u weren't aware

BornStunner1:
THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE OBA EVERY OTHER ONE IS CLEARLY A COUNTERFEIT OBOOY SEE CLASS AND STANDARD!!

NOW ITS OBVIOUS THE BENIN DYNASTY IS FAR SUPERIOR
THAN THAT OF THE COPYCAT southwest

I see the Nysc student Aka ooni in ife came to pay His dues and Respects to the source of his FOREFATHER EKELERHAN AKA ODUDUWA pls ooni don't steal anything or artifact while leaving oo you are free to borrow our culture as you like BUT DONT STEAL ANYTIN I NOR WAN HEAR EVEN IF NA BY MISTAKE.

the waysome igbos are claiming bini nowadays ehn.. shameless people

fatiaforreal:
Are you an IBILE? Traditional lagosian? I'm impressed

I'm a lagos ekiti boy

fatiaforreal:
So its funny when a Bini man claims Oba originated from Benin.
The palace is only trying to cover up the origin of the Oba to prevent a possible challenge to the dynasty by the aborigines led by Ogiamen. That's just the truth.

do you know the Ogiamien sued the bini chiefs and the crown prince to court for not paying the bills for the land he will rule after his coronation?

Ubenedictus. ..bokohala...

Ubenedictus:
Yorubas and benins went to war, and olokun originated from benin. u should do ur research.

and what are the findings from your search? how can you convince us that Olokun Oba loju omi, Olokun iba, fun mi l'ore is from Bini?

AjaanaOka:
I don't quite know how to break down "okoro/okolo" (young male). All I can say for certain is that the first part of the word ( that is, "oke-/oko-" ) means "male".

"Okunrin" means "young man", right?

no. okunrin means Man ( Male Adult).

there's no word for Young man that I know of, it's just Youth which is "Odo" ... although I'm thinking Ogbeni but that should be just a salutation. .like Mr. but taken to be less formal

and Ako means male in Yoruba, extending to all species

thomasjoe:
I love Yoruba people but lets speak the facts Okay?
The Title "Ewuare no Ogidigan" is re-appearing in history for the 2nd time hence the "the 2nd " attached to it ......................it is not a Yoruba word ....Kindly consult your Archives or wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewuare It means the Great Warrior King! There are so many other words adapted by the Yoruba's like Eko[Camp] , Yaba(short form of Nosayaba)[what the Lord shines with] , Idumota[Otas Neighborhood], Idumagbo[Agbos Neighborhood]...................pls you honestly know these words dont have a yoruba meaning or you cantell me what these words mean in Yoruba! Have you ever wondered why the Oba of Ife is called OOni , Oba of Oyo AlaAfin and originally Oba of Lagos ,Eleko of Eko? I dont want to go into details ! The list goes on bro! we are not interested in any arguments! you can either learn or wallow in ..................... ! The choice is yours!!! If you are humble enough you can contact me and more will be revealed !

Certain words will be shared between Related languages. .. Ogidigan means very tough/unyielding in Yoruba which describes Ewuare's character. . and simply "great" in bini. you can see they are related

idumota means place of pepper in Yoruba. .especially Ijebu and Awori dialects. .they use "Idu" a lot


Have you ever wondered why the Oba of Benin is called "Omo n ’ oba?
it's what we call oriki tradition ...

Branzy:
it's traditional the Oba of Benin don't speak to pple with his mouth open.. If he do so it's a curse

you can lie o

gadgetsngs:
Never in History ,we are different from the other side of the country

I don't know why the sudden hatred from bini people

I used to think they were close to Yorubas. ..suddenly both on social media and life experience shows another thing

BornStunner1:
FACTS ABOUT THE YORUBAS AKA AFONJAS


( 1 ) . Their story of
kingship began with Edo
prince and the Benin
recorded History .
( 2 ) . Ayayi crawder said,
little were know about
yoruba existence,
meaning they were not
part of Nigeria of today
boarder or were in small
settlement close to
dahomy. yoruba are half
muslims and those with
African traditions copied or got them from Benin
civilization . I doubt if they not immigrants from dahomy
mix with Benins or other fulani- hausa from Niger
. Bishop Samuel Adjayi Crowther (c . 1809 – 31
December 1891 ) Was the first African Anglican bishop
in Nigeria . Born in Osogun (in today's Iseyin Local
Government, Oyo State , Nigeria ) . His grandson was
Herbert Macaulay
( 3 ) . Yoruba have dublicity of kingship with the process
highly politized to being traditional . A system they try
copy from Benin but can 't get it real like the Benin
Kingdom. Edo Obaship is one of the most revered
institutions in the world because of the way it has
sustained its awesome prestige with strict and
meticulous attention to ancient traditions of valour ,
discipline and integrity . Edo chieftaincy titles cannot be
bought or conferred on non- indigenes or frivolously .
Every Edo chief performs a peculiarly sacred duty
and responsibility to the people of Edo. It does not make
sense , therefore , to think that a people who would not
and have never conferred their chieftaincy titles on non-
indigenes, would voluntarily invite , accept, or surrender
to non- indigenes as their kings . Due to celestial
origins , the Edo monarch cannot eat out and cannot be
diverted from full time palace duties to hustle
for contracts .
( 4 ) . Most of today
yoruba religion are
Benin Origin , Olokun ,
Ogun , Iha oguega (ifa ) ,
oronmila, Esago
(shango ) , Ayelala etc .
Many Benin traditions
and spirituality are
stillfully documented by
yorubas in high places
as YORUBA ? (Never mind the Edo man ' s christian
mindset quickly dening Edo have niothing to do with
African traditional religion , agreeing they are foriegn to
Edoland . . . LIE ) .
Although the Great Edo ( Benin ) Kingdom were not major
participants in the trans- Atlantic slave trade , because
the Obas (Kings ) believed that their subjects were too
valuable to sell away , and their noblemen had need of
war captives on their own farms , the influence of Edo
religion and medicine has still been substantial upon
the people of the Americas .
According to Mason (1996 ) , it has been widely
accepted that Olokun ( god of the sea ) worship
originated with the Edo and spread to the Yoruba ( p. 2) .
In fact, the most prominent part of Edo cultural
traditions that has made its mark in the New World is
Olokun worship. Olokun (god of the Waters ) worship
originated from Urhonigbe and then became prominent
at Ughoton around the Ethiope ( Olokun) River . The
priesthood and rituals were firmly established at the
time . Some of the possible points of contact happened
early. During the Ogiso Period , trade with the Yoruba
and Igbos was quite extensive. Olokun worship may
have spread to those areas through traders . Prior to the
Oba Period , Ekaladerhan Izoduwa was initiated into
Olokun as a chief Priest while he stayed at Ughoton ,
before his moving westward with his followers to
establish Ilefe ( Ero , 1999 , p . 108- 109) .
Once he arrived , Ekaladerhan Izoduwa brought Edo
traditions to those areas and was a King of his new
community called Ilefe , which could be what yoruba call
IFE. . From Ekaladerhan Izoduwa ’ s loins , the Yoruba
dynasties may have began. However, it is certain that
Olokun is an Edo divinity whose worship spread to the
outlying Yoruba areas.

Yet your forebears told everybody they got Olokun from Ilaje

keep lying to yourself, ever wondered why no scholar takes you people seriously. .that is of course except when it comes to Bronze art which were taught to you by men from Ife

AjaanaOka:
Okay, thanks. The bolded is very relevant.

By the way, have you seen Bolaji Aremo's book "How Igbo and Yoruba Became Different Languages"? I checked to see if he has anything to say about this, and I found this:

https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=OiynbBvMblcC&pg=PA40&lpg=PA40&dq=eni+onye+aremo&source=bl&ots=m63pzfbmaw&sig=7bcE3XHd-eUdyManS18zWMQH8Z0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj6rqT9z-nPAhXLCJoKHQD-DxYQ6AEIDTAA#v=onepage&q=eni onye aremo&f=false

nice link. I checked it out and right at my first scroll I noticed "okoro/ikoro" suggested to be cognate with "okunrin"
how would you break down the word "okoro" cus I would say "okunrin" literally means "strong metal" (metal in reference to the bone: equally sacred to the deity Ogun)

Irakoro(Toddler) and/or "Ikoko(new born) comes to mind as a more fitting cognate with "Oko/Okoro/Ikoro"

ImperialYoruba:
Strangers and observers from outside cannot know more than the owners and posessors of the dynasty under review. What is position of those who inherited Oduduwa crowns, what is their account of origin? In their legends, where did they claim for root?

That's how it should be tho. unfortunately, most of the yoruba obas are uninterested...it's only when it comes to supremacy battle you hear them speak history. .certain times with obvious bias

Reason I encourage initiated traditionalists as the best source. ..they know the language better, they are allowed to more knowledge that is often kept in secrecy and mysticism

dijas:
people that come outside are used for sacrifice, if u want to confirm, come outside

smh. . you're a lost cause man. simple stuff you keep running back to your safe spot with this statement that doesn't solve anything

absoluteSuccess:
Now you are getting smarter at intellectual plaigerism, you don't suppose to sound like your most hated enemy

I believe you dont have the wherewithal to break a Yoruba word, its none of your fort. Dont steal my idea sir.

Where mankind is 'eniyan', what Yoruba phiiosophy does your interpretation aludes to if your interpretation is right?

Or its right because of you?

well it is you that choose to be an enemy...
I really don't get what all this is about but deciphering etymology of words is not a talent that one is just good at, it comes with understanding of the language...I didn't steal anything from you.. unless you are accusing me of stealing your brain

I believe "person assigned" is descriptive enough

AjaanaOka:
The thing is "onye" means "person" in Igbo. Singular. Its plural form is "ndi" (persons/people). From what you've written, "ooye" is probably a plural form, and thus doesn't seem to fit all that well. And going by what you said, the meaning is either elusive or hard to define.

Based on your own submission, and what i've been able to gather, "Eniyan" seems to mean the same thing as "onye". You say it means 'man', other sources I've looked at say it means 'person'. Man. Person. Basically the same thing.

Looking at the two words ("onye" and "eniyan" ) it doesn't seem improbable that they could spring from the same root.

Onye is used like "onye yoruba", "onye beribe" i know it's singular but yoruba would not say "eniyan igbo" or Eniyan arindin
(although to draw emphasis one could say "arindin eyan - eyan being contracted from eniyan) It would make more sense if you were saying "Eni" is cognate with "onye"

i dont think the cognacy has to maintain the plural or singular standard
just as Umu is plural in Igbo and Omo is singular in Yoruba
the word that "Onye" evolved from could have been used in plural form as well

considering Ndi and Idile could be cognates...

after thinking what "ooye" meant exactly, I thought people/folks because of "onye", the appearance and pronunciations as well as grammatical function in statements .. it's not like I've done any real research on the matter. . I might have to ask around

Actually "Eni" means person, someone, one .
reason why I said above that Eni is more fitting. . than Eniyan

HIScraziness:
Okay, I understand perfectly the reason why you're acting all pained. Being a traditionalist doesn't make you a scamp or daft minded, need I say your brainlessness is palpable?? Doesn't take being a scholar to understand that someone gat a right to his opinion oh no an unsophisticated mentally backward mofo would never understand that! Like I said, you could go gulp down some poison if my moniker is driving u nuts

you are very stuupid to think insulting a people's ancestral heritage is opinion that should be respected. I guess you don't have much respect for your father, if u did you would know how to respect not just other people's fathers but your ancestry and theirs too

HIScraziness:
I don't really have a thing for cuntface deluded ass-jabbers tryna feel relevant when obviously they aint. Tell me, who foolishly quoted me in the first place?? Your stupidity deserves a medal bruh . I made ma point, my opinion though, I got the copyright , if u gat a problem with that??

How I'm I stupid? don't go around using words that you don't understand. .. a person as moronic enough to call the coronation of the Oba of Benin a piece of shiit is nothing but a shiit brain. .. you see shiit all over your life

AjaanaOka:
What does "ooye" mean in Yoruba?

My person theory has always been that the Yoruba word cognate with 'onye' is 'eniyan'.

to be honest, your question is not as simple as it seems because nobody uses that word in Yoruba conversations

I was wondering looking at the word "Ooyelagbo" ... "lagbo" meaning "to survive" or broken down to "successful/Safe ageing"

so I considered Ooyelagbo to be "folks that survive" or 'people of survival" ie. survivors

Eniyan is a term that describes Man as a specie. ..like you have Mmadu in Igbo
eniyan would be broken down and translated into "person that is specifically assigned"

Epimetheus:
Your having to start your comment by being insulting says a lot about you and how seriously you also should be taken. You jump in to come and discard other persons' arguments out of hand, only to start making wild claims in the name of a counter-argument.
Maybe your comments will sound less like a rant if you learn to put forward reasonable and logical premises before trying to force your poorly thought out conclusion on others.

I don't get this I see madness I call it out. .. what you should do is look to yourself and consider why I would say so

actually it's not wild claims. .. anybody with basic anthropology knowledge knows that you decipher the ancient (unrecorded) origins of a people by looking at their language and cultural habits. .. luckily Yoruba has this stacked full in similarity with our southern Nigerian neighbors. .. and just about nothing significant in common with semitic people.

HIScraziness:



Keep trying so hard to make me notice you!!

How can I? try to make a slowpoke notice me on a faceless forum and then what? you give me money? you must think you are special?
your stupidity would make an epic series

mikolo80:
I understand you're call-in me an Omo ale
OK let me ask you why are we learning western education and not them learning our own
Culture is not static
We were far behind the white man
That is why he conquered us till today
If you like beat your chest and claim superiority
It will not change the fact that we are claiming their religion and their visa.
How many do you see accepting Buddhism MP Hindu or any other religions
Somebody asked a question
And I answered
The truth shall set you free

1. Yorubas were only behind the British in terms of Military technology... we surpassed them in medicine, art, philosophy and many more.... so yoruba have never been far behind any European people. ..
when we were living in progressive communities, the white people were still living in caves. ..only the Romans and greeks had it better

2. there are 3 reasons why Africans were conquered by Europe. ..superior military technology (guns and canons) , greed and disunity of African nations, Religion

3. I'm not sure what you mean by if I like I should beat my chest. .. oh hell I beat my chest everyday and walk proudly as a yoruba man

4. funny how you bring up Buddhism and Hinduism. do you realize that India was also controlled by Britain? yet the Indians have never insulted their ancestors or spat on their culture because of something as mere as being a colony or one time colony. ... Indians refused to remain colonized. ..making them equals with Britain today on a sentient level. ..
but because of morons like you, africa remains colonized even after official independence. .. making Africans less than the Europeans

when you learn to raise up, know yourself and accept your identity that's when you get to be respected as a people