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latsy:
Oduduwa was never related to the Ogiso,
he is a thoroughbred ile-ife man.
Never believe what your modern are telling
you, they are only trying to save face.
It speaks of the ogiso dynasty's power if a defenseless
Yoruba toddler(Eweka) was able to overpower ogiso chiefs
and installed himself and his descendants as
the permanent oba in Benin kingdom.

What do you have to say about a man who ran away
according you but was still able to change the name
of your kingdom to Benin ?
And his son was able to single handedly destroy the
ogiso's dynasty.
Imagine a mere human defeating erasing the memory of ogiso(a supposed sky god)

actually it wasn't Eweka who cut the bini chiefs down to size. it was his grandson Ewedo
Ewedo was the first Oba to rule the main city as he had paid for the land to the Ogiamien (descendants of the Ogiso)

it's very clear that the Oba is of foreign blood. . Inferiority complex will not let bini accept history anymore. ..

AreaFada2:
Really? I guess you will also deny that Benin Empire defended Ekiti against Oyo empire. Well, it makes no difference now. Benin gave up the empire in 1914. But history remains same. I happen to still have relatives across both Ekiti and Ondo though.

Maybe next time you will say that Otun was a powerful empire. I expect anything from history deniers these days.

actually he's right... And defending ekiti was both ways(for their own selfish reasons) ..I'm not quite sure the towns that went under Benin but many Ekiti towns had solicited support from both Benin and Oyo
which both took advantage of


Otun was only ever taken by Ilorin... The Oyo and Benin empires used Otun boarders as limits to their empires

Ekiti was just up for grabs in those days...smh..until the fierce Kiriji war, man must fight back one day

playerinc:
My guy, you know not what you say. How can you compare a crown prince that has being prepared for rule since his birth, trained in tradition and culture and given a palace of his own to rule with his own chiefs to a person who comes frrm nowhere to lobby for the throne. A typical example is the gallivanting Ooni of Ife who obviously doesn't know anything about being Ooni.

AreaFada2:
Maybe. But you will agree that in Yorubaland some thrones remain vacant for long periods due to litigation and can become subject to politics and who has the deepest pocket. Royalty is something you need to train for. Being a prince might not just be enough.

Does it not make more sense to be trained from childhood for such a very demanding job?

I guess such would avoid a scenario where a certain Oba was fighting publicly his Olori and even led to his dethronement then.

all forms of government has its merits and demerits

If traditions are followed properly lobbying will not get any of the aspirants anywhere. .. that's why the kingmakers should be held accountable for any useless element made Oba

Normally the strongest and most popular with the people is made an Oba. ..they usually know who is next in line before the death of an Oba in yorubaland. .. But all thanks to Nigeria, things are getting more and more messed up

ijustdey:
https://www.thecable.ng/paden-buhari-incriminating-evidence-jail-jonathan

how a biography of Buhari became about Jonathan's "secret" ....one would think this was a joint biography or something

Oluwayeezy:
In a new interview with Dutch publication de Volkskrant,
Award-winning Nigerian author Chimamanda Ngozi
Adichie has commented for the first time on Beyoncé’s
feminism. Beyoncé used fragments of Chimamanda’s TED
Talk “We should all be feminists ” in her song “***Flawless “.
However, Chimamanda says ‘her type of feminism is not
mine, as it is the kind that gives quite a lot of space to the
necessity of men’.
de Volkskrant says in the months following the release of
the song the big question was: what did Adichie, whose
novel Americanah markedly climbed on the bestseller lists,
actually think of this collaboration? This remained unclear,
as in later interviews with the writer Beyoncé was hardly
mentioned, and if she was, it only solicited a benign smile
or ‘no comment’.
Now she has spoken…
Read Excerpts below.
On Beyonce being Lovely
‘In the first place: of course Beyoncé asked permission to
use my texts, and I did give her permission. I think she’s
lovely and I am convinced that she has nothing but the
best intentions. In addition, Beyoncé is a celebrity of the
first order and with this song she has reached many
people who would otherwise probably never have heard
the word feminism, let alone gone out and buy my essay.’
On media attention after the song’s release
‘But I was shocked about how many requests for an
interview I received when that song was released. Literally
every major newspaper in the world wanted to speak with
me about Beyoncé. I felt such a resentment (laughs
loudly). I thought: are books really that unimportant to
you? Another thing I hated was that I read everywhere:
now people finally know her, thanks to Beyoncé, or: she
must be very grateful. I found that disappointing. I thought:
I am a writer and I have been for some time and I refuse
to perform in this charade that is now apparently expected
of me: “Thanks to Beyoncé, my life will never be the same
again.” That’s why it didn’t speak about it much.’
On Beyonce’s style of feminism & her view on Feminism
We women should spend about 20 per cent of our time on
men but otherwise we should also be talking about our
own stuff
Beyoncé was applauded for her ‘coming out’ as a
feminist, but she also received a lot of criticism, such as
that she was only embracing feminism for commercial
reasons and that her sexy outfits and shallow lyrics were
incompatible with feminist ideas. Adichie has this to say:
‘Her style is not my style, but I do find it interesting that
she takes a stand in political and social issues, since a
few years. She portrays a woman who is in charge of her
own destiny, who does her own thing, and she has girl
power. I am very taken with that.’
‘Still, her type of feminism is not mine, as it is the kind
that, at the same time, gives quite a lot of space to the
necessity of men. I think men are lovely, but I don’t think
that women should relate everything they do to men: did
he hurt me, do I forgive him, did he put a ring on my
finger? We women are so conditioned to relate everything
to men. Put a group of women together and the
conversation will eventually be about men. Put a group of
men together and they will not talk about women at all,
they will just talk about their own stuff. We women should
spend about 20 per cent of our time on men, because it’s
fun, but otherwise we should also be talking about our
own stuff.’

hateful biatch! Not one speech she makes that I don't see some silly talk

she complains women somehow relate what they do to men, so? The essence of our humanity is socialization, and that can only be at its best when both sexes relate to each other. as a man, I know when men sit and talk together, when men go out and in everything we do, we find ways to relate to women. .. one would think a good writer like that should be intelligent enough to realize certain fundamental human characters

women are of great necessity to men as men are to women. .. it's not a one way thing


even that speech Beyoncé added to her song is just full of shiit. She claims men are not pressured to aspire to marry. ..seriously

Bollinger:
Try telling that to macof.

the guy actually contradicts you and agrees with me. don't let "you are right" deceive you. please free my mentions for more important people

Bollinger:
There is nothing to get. You point made zero sense.

Any intelligent human being ...even one that doesn't know a thing about yoruba language would make sense outta that

that's why I said "o mase" you Stil didn't get that too. ..smh

Bollinger:
Ibadan is the only place yoruba is spoken. Ok.

o mase o. . u didn't get the point
good luck with your life!

Bollinger:
Not slang. You and i know no one speaks like that in this day and age. No one says "se ka lo jeun". It's more "she ka lo jeun".

wtf! you've never been to Ibadan?

aycorporat:
thanks for the clarity. as a Yoruba boy I am beginning to see it clearly now. I know Owo has similar tradition with Benin and do you know that Ile Ife as I was told also have their own dialect? how I wish the Yorubas can maintain a lineage where automatically the first born son claims the throne instead of political affiliation and by appointment. Benin is indeed rich in history and I appreciate them for keeping the Royal ancestry intact ike they did for Oba ovoramwen nnogbaisi by not allowing Britain too desecrate their throne. long live Benin kingdom. Oba Gha to kpere Ise

similar tradition with Benin? there's no traditional similarly worth mentioning. you can talk of dressing and songs, maybe accents but Tradition taking it too far bro


also, Yorubas have been where Bini is right now. .we practiced that father to son ascension and it carries a lot of problems
opening ascension to all genuine princes and royal families is what makes yoruba stand out.

AreaFada2:
You made some points, some salient, others very subjective & others mere conjecture.
That you think some people "genuine Yoruba with the spiritual aspect" and others "fake Yoruba" is your opinion. To which you are entitled. What matters is that people explore their identy/ies by themselves and can live happily with it.

But generally, the clamour for share of national cake & political influence by every hamlet, tribe and ethnic nationality has made everything a game of numbers.

If your tribe cannot determine the outcome of a national election, one can now trample on your tribe & history without batting an eyelid. Irrespective of how enthusiastically that history is celebrated in museums across the world. I have no illusion about the Nigerian reality.

Now to oriki. Literally every Benin person has an oriki. And Benin people have ancient word for it too. Your oriki is that of your ancestral lineage. It is basically a praise poem, extolling your ancestors, their origins, royalty, nobility or exploits, etc.
If I greeted an elderly woman around 27 years ago, ago in the morning, like any other descendant of Eweka I, the oriki she would call me is pretty much similar to Oba's own, with the difference that I will be called "son of" his majesty, home leopard, the spotless white bird from Ife/Uhe, Umogun, and many more...depending on the knowledge & creativity of the said elderly woman.

In the morning Benin people do not greet good morning/hello/ekaro to elders. Your greeting depends on your ancestry. A man of 80 sitting in his verandahin Benin in the morning would be greeted by children and wives thus:
Delaiso (Ogiso descendants & women married into the family)
Lamogun (Eweka I's descendants & thir wives).
Lagiesan (Children/wives of Chief Ezomo/Commander of Imperial Army)
Lamosun (Children of Chief Ero who is Duke of Urubi/Keeper of North-Western City gate)
Delaihe (children of Elawure (Duke of Usen, a Yoruboid/Ado-Akure Town just about an hour from Benin)

And many more families.
Pretty much like bronze/brass commemorate events, ceremonies and more, your oriki reminds you every morning of your ancestry & history. And it is an ancient practice in Benin.

As for Oba, very funny to hear that it is not a Benin Word. In philology, both Yoruba & Benin are termed East-Kwa Niger-Congo language family. Just like Igbo. If Igbo that branched out earlier from the tree still call their King Obi, how impossible is it that both Benin & Yoruba retained Oba from the "ur" or "stamm" language? Moreover, the Ogisos of Igodomigodo already used the title Oba-Godo, so what is the big deal?

Well, well, people always came up with this Idejo talk. That Eleko owns no land.
Now listen. To be a Benin person in those times meant making lots of sacrifice: war conscription, huge levies, abstinence from sex for even married couples & many more would be imposed by the King. So many migrated, with body tattoos and tribal marks used to check exit.
The point is Benin did not have a huge population to fight unnecessary wars. They had to be strategic, tactical, ruthless & efficient.
In Lagos, Benin needed to control areas with access to the sea & lagoon. It was expensive paying mercenaries, which Benin did a lot.

Why would Benin just be fighting endless wars deep into Awori country, with many more strategic/important wars to fight?? The Aworis that needed to be overcome were overcome to control the Eko of Lagos Island. But with documented battles at Iru area. Some do not rule out Oniru having Benin connections.

So even if Benin wanted to take over vast lands, it could not get the population to do so. There, sometimes installing stooges or own princes to pay tribute & maintain loyalty & create buffer zones against Oyo & Idah for example as happened in Northern Ekiti (Otun)& North of Edo.
As for the book by Egharevba, I read it several times as a kid, and memory seems vivid about Ekaladerhan.

Like I said, most people do not know their history, let alone Benin history. We really do not need other people to tell us our history. Everyone can tell his. It does not mean others will agree with you on it.

However, I salute your enthusiasm & interest in history. More people should do same.

As for selling land again to the Oba by Ogiamien Ogiamien a token, it has become part of tradition & coronation rites, like many that will happen in the 15 days the rites will take. He will for example symbolically climb a palm tree, to commemorate the suffering of an ancient crown prince centuries ago, who faced opposition before becoming king. Does this mean this crown prince really cannot feed himself without first harvesting palm fruits?
It is meant to further train the prince in humility and appreciate the efforts of his ancestors.

I didn't mean it like that o...I don't mean there's fake yoruba. the thing is some are born of Yoruba fathers but don't live their lives like a yoruba person, they disassociate themselves from tradition and yet these types are quick to jump into ethnic verbal battles. this happens all over africa and not just yoruba


I just want you to understand that given adequate evidence to back up this growing claim by Bini most yorubas won't have a problem with it, so it is not an anti-bini movement or something. that is in fact more acceptable than the more popular mecca claim.


But as it stands, more and more of the long held mystery over oduduwa is coming out and he is being linked strongly to Oke-Ora. you should take time to research that

odigbosky:
There this guy comes again, spewing rubbish from his mouth. There are so many kings in yoruba land why don't you just learn to talk about them and stop poking your nose in stuffs that do not concern you. Since when did you become the custodian of Edo history, you probably have not even entered the palace of HIM the Oba of Benin you are spewing rubbish. I am frm Edo, I live in Edo land and don't come here and tell pple rubbish. Just because the west had the oppurtunity of being the most educated in early years you guys wrote rubbish about us and filled them in your library. Speaking about kingship, what you should know is that we the edos have it, we are able to establish it wherever we go that is why when Ekhaladehran got to Ife, he established it firmly. He came from a royal house, he knew what it meant to keep a royal house. Before the arrival of Ekhaladehran(oduduwa) which yoruba community had an institutionalized monarchy? The answer is none, now see wherever a Benin prince went to and establishes a throne amongst the locals, that throne always survives, because he has been taught what it means to make the throne as gold before the eyes of his people. We are not claiming lagos...but see what a Benin prince did there, the monarchy still stands, see what we did in Warri, all over delta state we have princes from benin as founding fathers of dynasties upon dynasties. If its not a Benin prince, it is a benin chief....and that is what we did in ife, we gave ife a strong monarchy. Go to places in Ekiti they will tell you same thing, how benin princes came to establish stools amongs. Locals....we had over 30 ogisos. One thing we edos will never deny is that, the mother of Prince Oromiyan is a yoruba woman, but his father is an Edo prince who never became king as he himself also never became king in Benin.

what is this one saying? You keep trying to force Ekaladerhan to places his personality doesn't fit. I should ask you if you are the custodian of Yoruba history because as far as the world is concerned nobody associates oduduwa with Edo except through his son. .. Oduduwa is strictly Yoruba and only the Yoruba can speak about his life and times cus frankly Edo don't know anything about him

address my points like the other guy is doing and at least make me learn something I don't know, that is of course if you have something to offer.

merely screaming Ekaladerhan is oduduwa without proof is akin to a cry of a mad man

Ubenedictus:
Actualy he was pursued from benin, he never entered the city, his palace was in d outskirts of d city with d uzama. oramiyan wasnt granted access to benin because his distant cousin, d ogiamwen, had taken over d arms of government, military and finance. Oramiyan saw he was at a disadvantage, so he tuck his tail and ran away leaving a pregnant woman and shouting 'ile ibinu', he ran away so that his unborn son was left with the problems oramiyan couldnt fix. With d help of d chiefs eweka won (they did a good job) and oramiyan ran back to his old father to cry, requesting for power, he couldnt wait for oduduwa to die so he was granted d right to collect revenue from his brothers, that is how he bcame alafin in oyo after runing away from benin. He was favoured.

look how he's talking like he knows shiit about Oranmiyan

AreaFada2:
You see, I do not really have much time to write this morning. Well, each tribe writes its history according what history passes down from its ancestors. How many people even know their own history, let alone the history of Benin? Would you know the name of the Oba ruling in Benin as late as 1853? I know without Google you will not. But Eleko Akintoye ruling Lagos in 1853 made it clear to the British that Oba of Benin had authority over Lagos. It is documented. Ignorance of an individual or individuals is not equal to absence of knowledge out there. You have to be actively seeking it.

that's the point! many people are do ignorant of their own history. .it's killing Nigerians. . most people believe anything (the first thing) they read from any book or online article without meeting an elderly person(Traditional minded person) to confirm

as for Eleko and Bini, I grew up befriending people from the old families of lagos and although they claim Muslim they are still very traditional. It seems not all of Lagos was a bini colony. There was a part founded by Bini warriors which couldn't extend too far into Awori farmland before the Awori invited Ado to come and be settling disputes between the Idejo (land owners of lagos)...till today the Eleko calls Aromire (one of the Idejo) Onile (owner of the land)
The thing is Bini have over emphasized the Bini contributions to Lagos, not realizing that the Bini dynasty started out like what we have in Lagos and the same way Bini are excited to announce "we founded lagos" Yoruba can also claim 'we founded Bini'

what are the connections?
1. A prince invited to settle political crises (Oranmiyan and Ashipa/Ado)
2. The prince left his son in charge and returned home. .(Eweka I and Ado)
3. the chiefs still owned the land above him

not until the sell of land by Ogiamien to Ewedo, and his harsh rules to the Edionisen ( now Uzama chiefs ) the Oba of Benin had his limits like the Eleko.


which brings me to another point to debunk the Ekaladerhan - oduduwa claim
If the Obas are descendants of the Ogiso, Ogiamien will not need to sell their father's land to them during every coronation. Ogiamien family will not even have held authority in Benin from Oranmiyan's time in Benin till Oba Ewedo - 4 generations later. You do know that Oranmiyan up until the time Oba Ewedo acquired the land from Ogiamien, the Obas only ruled Uselu - founded by Oranmiyan - while Ogiamien ruled the main parts of Benin called Igodomigodo?

Moreover, the Esan, Urhobo or Etsako etc of today did not even exist as they are now. Except perhaps unknown aboriginal people they might have met where they are now (if applicable), the tribes were yet to migrate from Benin at that time. After migration, they forged/formed their own identities there despite acknowledging Oba of Benin as overlord and indeed their rulers were either Benin princes or people selected/approved by Oba of Benin. So those tribes are not the custodians or preservers of Benin history.

Whether They existed as they do now or not is not as important as the fact that they came from Bini or at least have close ties with bini but don't know Ekaladerhan. ..only Bini know Ekaladerhan but they know Oduduwa, they know the Ogiso.

which points that this Ekaladerhan is unknown

if I talk of Obamakin, I say he took over oduduwa's throne. .. You can verify in many places. . but when you say Ekaladerhan is oduduwa you cannot verify this ..and the easiest way to verify tales like this is when it's not only you that says it
how can oduduwa come from Benin and Benin are the only ones that know? How did they know he was in Ife? how come he never showed reverence for Benin? how come he wasn't buried in Benin or any part of his body taken to Benin? how come the coronation of ooni doesn't reenact any connection to your Ekaladerhan story? how come Ooni has no influence from Bini or any of the Art historians ever found any reference to Oba of Benin? but the reference to Ife and even European records speak of the Oba of Benin's reverence for the Ooni.


should I remind you that the Oba of Benin has an Oriki? oriki is not Edo culture but yoruba. .and only the Oba of Benin has an Oriki in Edo area, he is also the only one called "Oba". .Oba is not an Edo word

In the Oba’s oriki, he is called Leopard of the House, Son of oduduwa of Ife, son of Adimula(Adimula is Oduduwa's name - He was called Olofin Adimula - meaning something like Emperor Adimula), the name of the oba’s father will also be added ie. son of Akenzua, son of Erediauwa etc

nowhere is he called son of Ekaladerhan!
please if I lie expose me!

One is that it was Oba Erediauwa who began Ekaladerhan story, as a kid, I still met many very old people alive who, if still alive now would be around 150 years old. The story they told us under the moonlight were not much different.
Moreover, A short History of Benin was first published by Chief Dr J. U. Egharevba in 1933. Oba Eweka II personally reviewed each and every part of it. The Crown prince then (who later became Oba Akenzua II and father Oba Erediauwa) read the whole manuscript to him for correction, etc.
So how can history reviewed by the grandfather of Oba Eradiauwa suddenly have been invented by Eradiauwa?

That book didn't claim Ekaladerhan to be oduduwa. what page did you read that?

You also claim that Benin people since they are not Yoruba cannot know Yoruba stuff. FYI, I am even partly a descendant of a major Yoruba royal family. And in my part of Edo, most people are still bilingual (Benin/Yoruba dialect) as products of Benin Imperial times in Eastern Yorubaland.
We certainly do not need extra initiation into a Yoruba cult like Aro & several others. As long as you have been initiated you have the "codes" . We still have them. Though most do not bother due to Abrahamic religions. This will surprise you I am sure.

As for the crown, remember that crowns can be made. And it can be given mythical standing to elevate the power of the king. Like Ashanti royal golden stool dropping directly from heaven. Very convenient, considering that the earth in the area was awash with gold.

I do not think that Olu of Warri still uses the crown Prince Ginuwa took away from Benin or Eleko/Oba of Lagos still uses the Crown given to Asipa from Benin.

I am more interested in the truth of the matter. I have even suggested that Benin & Ife royal houses conduct joint DNA studies, that can be used to trace ancestry. Even my humble self who has both Benin & Yoruba royal origins would happily take part in such studies.

That should sort it out once & far all.

having yoruba grandmother or mother doesn't mean anything, infact having a yoruba father doesn't mean you are yoruba. .. I say this all the time. belonging to an ethnicity, a culture is a spiritual thing, you must have it from the soul.

We can acknowledge our ancestry, our origins but that doesn't make us what our father is or what our ancestors were

Also being from a yoruba and Benin royal family doesn't mean a thing. .. how many people from royal families know their history? do you even know the history of the yoruba family you have links with?


if you are interested in the truth, you will make efforts to confirm what tradition say about oduduwa .. not what you want to believe because of the "Edo Pride"

Ubenedictus:
Because d bini stool begot d ife stool, and if i understand correctly d oonis are descendants of oramiyan which makes bini an elder brother as eweka is d eldest of oramiyans descendants. father and elder brother.

How can a grandson beget his grandfather use your head. this type of talk could have gotten you killed 300 years ago

Oranmiyan isnt represented by the Ooni, Take that up with the Alaafin. .if you can take Oyo on.
But Ooni is more concerned with Oduduwa


father

Ubenedictus:
Here we disagree, here bini and yoruba disagree, ooni and omo n'oba disagree. and naturally binis wil reject ur land claiming advances.

nobody is claiming your land We are claiming our property - the Obaship we gave to you

Ubenedictus:
Until ooni made the mistake of calling the oba his son during a curtesy visit.

who has inferiority complex? akensua who visited or d ooni who was trying to exult himself, fantasizing dat d oba is his son.

well oranmiyan is a son of oodua, ooni is Odua. and the oba of benin is a son of the son of oodua. so infact the oba of benin is the Ooni`s grandson . wishing thinking and lying to yourself wont change a thing.

Ubenedictus:
OR because one ooni was intimidated by akensua and thought the best way to exult himself was to call akensua his son, instead of father and elder brother.

why would ooni call akensua father and elder brother... infact how can one be father and elder brother to the same person use ur head

Ubenedictus:
There is no recognised ogiamwen in utantan.

will the coronation still be traditional valid without the Ekiokpagha treaty?

How will Oba of Benin claim sovereignty without Ogiamien selling it to him?

AreaFada2:
The break between Ogiso era & post Ogiso era is where the famous Benin-Ife/Yoruba controversy stems from. It boils over from time to time.

Over the years, I have commented on them. They are still here to be seen.

To begin with, I am a Benin-Yoruba hybrid & clarity & truth in the matter is most important to me than one side striving to claim superiority.

Ogiso Owodo was the last Ogiso. The break came because there was no heir. This is called the interregnum period.

Prince Ekaladerhan was the heir to Owodo. But the Prince's step-mother called Esagho schemed to get him killed. Faking a message from an oracle priest, and claiming that only his death would avert disaster in Benin. Sadly & reluctantly Owo accepted it, for the welfare of his Kingdom.

But the Isiewmenro (Royal Executioners) who took the prince to the forest to sacrifice could not bear to kill him. They made him swear an Oath never to return to Benin but run for his dear life. He did. He travelled towards Owo (70 miles due North-West of Benin). Then he moved towards a village now called Ife. Ife is also roughly 70 miles West of Owo. So he entered Ife from the East. A prediction Ife people had been given about a ruler coming from the East. With time Esagho could not produce an heir as she had hoped. Owodo later got suspicious and sent other emissaries to the oraclist. That was when the scam was revealed. But it had become known that Ekaladerhan through divinity was in fact alive but he could not be traced in Owodo's life time. So the crown remained vacant. But Evian (now Ogiamien family) became ruler as the most powerful local chieftain of Igodomigodo (as Benin was called then) but NOT a King.

In the meantime, Ekaladerhan has found fortune in Ife & made king. He exclaimed that "Izoduwa" meaning I have been favoured/achieved my destiny. This became Ododuwa. A similar corruption of name would happen Ododuwa's grandson in Benin two generations later. The exclamation "Owomika" in Youruba became Eweka I of Benin. In fact my relative is the duke/chief of the ancient village (actually now part of Benin metropolis) where Eweka made that exclamation in About 1170 AD. In just over a week from now, The Crown Prince will be making a similar exclamation near my relative's ducal palace. That exclamation is what his Title & name will become for life. And all his descendants will henceforth bear that name as surname. Except his first son who will chose his own regnal name when crowned in the future.

Ekaladerhan was known to be alive already so the search continued for decades. Until he was traced to Ife. He rfused to return, having sworn an oath not to. But he sent his son "Omonoyan", basically meaning beloved child. What was called Oranmiyan by Ife people. Oranmiyan was accompanied by yoruba courtiers including Oloton. Chief Oloton today remains in charge of Royal ancestral shrine. Oranmiyan's son Eweka I restored the monarchy in Ogiso line. Benin people were ready to keep the stool vacant for decades then, just like they did while Ovonramwen was in exile in Calabar for 17 years.

So Ife people came to be very welcome in Benin & seen as our relatives. Even after Oranmiyan left.

Now we all know Yoruba versions of Ododuwa: from coming from the Sky to coming from Mecca. Judge for yourself what is scientifically possible.

Idia was the mother of Oba Esigie. Esigie ruled from 1504 to 1550. Idia was the wife of Oba Ozolua. Both her husband and son go down in history as successful warrior Kings/emperors.

She was a warrior Queen Mother with her own Royal Regiment personally commanded by her at war front. She played a major role in helping Esigie expand the empire. Europeans even accompanied Esigie to wars in Eastern Yorubaland & extolled Benin war tactics including Ifianyako (encirclement) of enemy soldiers.

You cannot know more about Ife or how oduduwa became king better than Ife and the entire yoruba tradition institutions

I'm not saying this to insult or hurt the pride of Binis. ..I admire Bini and the General Yoruba people see Binis as brothers
But for the reason of not distorting history I need to make certain things clear

1. Ekaladerhan has never in any Yoruba tradition been connected to oduduwa, infact Ekaladerhan is unknown outside Bini and it's environs. The urhobo don't know him, the Esan don't know him
this whole Ekaladerhan episode began with the late oba of Benin. .the hostility between bini royal house against Yorubas started with Oba Akenzua.. I hope the new Oba can set things straight and not follow that path

2. In Ife, a prince elected by the kingmakers must journey to Oke-Ora to collect the crown of oduduwa ( although this is a quick made counterfeit with leafs and wood as the original is in the possession of the Owa of Idanre). The original crown of oduduwa was taken by his younger brother Aremitan when he left Ife after the death of oduduwa, at that time there was pressure from the family of Obatala which later usurped the throne.

So the story of oduduwa, although not known by many is still intact and known, you only have to reach out to the right sources
so how come oduduwa had a brother if he was Ekaladerhan? How come oduduwa had a crown if he was Ekaladerhan? Ekaladerhan wasn't said to have left Igodomigodo with a crown
Bini certainly don't know this, listening to many of you binis that I have encountered trying to connect to Ekaladerhan, you only bank on the ignorance of the majority of yorubas on their history. .. most of these things are only open to those who are initiated to the traditional cults. .and today because of foreign religions and colonial mentality people see that as evil, and run away from it, thereby running away from knowledge.. you binis also are ignorant of oduduwa, because you are not yoruba, not much about oduduwa was taken to bini so you Listen to pseudo historians who say things like oduduwa came from mecca etc and things like oduduwa came from the east (although true Oke-Ora is at the eastern outskirts of Ife towards Ijesa but our father didn't come from Bini area) and want to make benefits out of that.
If more about oduduwa hadn't been a Awo (initiation matter/mystery), you wouldn't get the chance to take this Ekaladerhan story this far

2dugged:
hehehehe, yorubas have it all, from backstabbing, to eye service, to slimmy and corky, and now to spreading of fables just to feel good about themselves, we Binis know exactly who we are and all those stupid fables have been proven to be all lies with glaring facts, so afonja and all those waiting to see the oba of Benin in Ile ife, una go wait tire, the oba will be crowned and the sky will not fall, and he will do so with any worthless visit to the afonjas, get that into your thick skulls you and your eye service afonjas on this thread

no bini Person will talk like this. igbo man claiming bini
filthy thing

cekhoe:
on point, to think they brought up that evidently fake story about how oduduwa or whatever brought sand and a chicken used his feet to spread the sand and that was how the earth was formed, all in the name of trying to claim supremacy.At least they should have cooked up a better lie that will be believable to all, let them keep waiting for him to come and pay homage to their appointed oba. Oba gha tor okperé, Ise!

how many times will you dummies be told that it is a yoruba tale of creation. .. just like you have your bini story that says your ancestor Idu created land with those same materials
don't insult yoruba for the same thing you are guilty of

infact, Before oba of Benin or ogiso or anything like kingdoms, Yoruba and Benin were one people it's no wonder how myth of creation is similar. ..even the name Idu and Oduduwa/Oodua could be linked

The oduduwa of creation is an irunmole, with several cults around yorubaland and whose chief priest is Obadio. ..That oduduwa is different from the oduduwa who came from Oke-Ora (not bini) to become Ooni
don't mix myths of spirituality with actual history

Udmaster:
Why are yorubas trying to claim Benin? Leave them alone.
Oba of Benin is the ORIGINAL OBA. every other oba is just an imitation.
Smh Conies

Nah. . bini people have been showing for some years that they want to be as far away from yoruba as possible. .it's cus they can't stand staying around us without feeling intimidated which the bini pride cannot accept.

but we claim what is ours - The Oba of Benin. .who is a yoruba son

MrPresident1:
When they are through with all the rights in Benin, Omonoba son of Oba must first visit Ile-Ife, the ancestral and spiritual home of his forebears to pay homage to the chief priest of Oduduwa, the Ooni.

When he is through with Ile-Ife, he will now visit Oyo, to greet the Alaafin.

Ooni is the Arole(Heir) of oodua. . it's Obadio that is the chief priest(Aworo) of Oodua

domido:
there are two kingdoms in the world; Benin kingdom and United kingdom.

really? Bini and self delusions

Benin kingdom is dead, incorporated into Edo state

If we are to talk about existing kingdoms we talk of Morocco, Denmark, Netherlands, Swaziland

I took the liberty to get you a full list of Kingdoms in the world
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0775675.html

as you can see, Benin is only a city. .controlled by Edo state government not a kingdom

IEDA:
Actually it is the bini blood that flows in every yoruba monarch...if you have studied the history of ekhaladeran/oduduwa you'll know this but from your name i can see that you've been in the bush for way to long to know where sanity lies...

who told you this? Ekaladerhan
bini and inferiority complex towards yorubas is just epic. And it wasn't always like this o. .. There was a time Bini were proudly in brotherhood with the Yoruba kingdoms

Ontarget:
And yet there is widespread poverty and hunger. Who has the "superb culture" helped?

are you this stupid? what african government operates with african culture? They all follow western and Arab culture that keeps failing africa

ikennaf1:
President Muhammadu Buhari said yesterday that Nigeria
thwarted the doomsday prophecy over 2015 presidential poll
when he and his main rival, Goodluck Jonathan, were more
interested in the well-being of Nigeria than to win the
election.

Boo-boo if you had lost the election, would you have been more interested in the wellbeing of Nigeria?

is it not buhari that said "the blood of the dogs and baboons will be sucked in blood" if he lost the election
evil man from the pit of hell