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YoungLionken:
No doubt..

Where are the conspiracy theorists? 5G being mark of the beast and all other crap. IGNORANCE!!

Nigerians don't read,that's the problem...

Nobody said 5G was the mark of the beast. Otherwise, prove it with links.

jesusjnr2020:
[s]Personally, I am so embarrassed for them because it's such a ridiculously blatant lie that even the blind could see it. I myself used to be a blind follower of someone before, where If the man said anything, I would take it as final, even above the Word of God. So I quite understand where they're coming from, but I no think say my own reach this one. I mean, how won't I be able to see this one? But you never know because that's what is possible when people begin to put man in the place of God, that everything he says becomes sacrosanct and final.

That what is even happening with apostle Paul who many Christians now exalt above Christ, that they place his teachings above that of Christ, even though they would never want to admit it.

That's why, i usually point people who desire to be like me, to Christ as the Master and perfect example, so they don't settle for less.[/s]

Thanks and God bless.

But you believed that 4.7 Billion people watched Euro 2020.

Lamasta:
My brother wipe off this hate in your heart towards late TB Joshua it will do you no good....You call yourself a christian but look at what you are spewing out of your mouth Jesus May God have mercy on You....

He said Satan told him that he is a field marshal.

BRATISLAVA:
[s]A lot of his members actually believed that. They even created fake TV ratings to perpetuate that information. Is it not 5 billion people they said that viewed it? Is it including the ones from 1872 who are still watching till date, with the ones to be born in 2071 that we are talking about that watched the broadcast? Or maybe it is the Sinach views plus the views of all his broadcasts put together that is the 5 billion plus they were referring to? But if so, why lie that it was from one broadcast? Who knows.

My post was not even intended to say anything mean about Oyakhilome. I consider him a pastor with understanding of the kingdom. I just disagree with certain teachings. Which is fine, because one pastor can't have it all[/s].

Here again is another proof that you did not know what you are talking about. An absolutely dumb post.

BRATISLAVA:
You don't understand my post so, please, keep away from it.

Do you know me?

I understood your post. You don't know the ministry of Pastor Chris at all. The very question you asked proved it. Same way you don't know the ministry of Prophet Joshua.

Which is why I warned you to stick to things you know.

petra1:
Definatey he didnt know he would die. Even though he could have said something prophetically without knowing. for example he said he would not celebrate his birthday thjs year . that doesnt mean he knew he would die. just as some people prophesied in the bible without knowing it was prophecy.

just as Peter and Caiaphas

John 11:51 (KJV)
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;]

Even if he knew, if the instructions he got was to keep it to himself there is nothing he can do about it.

Selecting a replacement and legacy structure is good, but is it not subject to God's sovereignty?

And God may have spoken but grievous wolves may be disregarding it and doing what they like. It happened in Paul's ministry after he left.

I know for e.g that a particular Pastor who was an acquaintance of the SCOAN and is quite prophetic himself warned them not to bury Prophet Joshua in Lagos and definitely not in a mausoleum. He even told them where in Ondo that Prophet Joshua should be buried in and told them that those chiefs in Ondo that were pushing for the prophet to be buried in Ondo where doing so prompted by God.

The family and caretakers disregarded it.

Meanwhile, that Pastor said that mausoleum will lead to necromancy as people will turn the burial site to a tourist center and evil spirits will mislead many. Yet the family disregarded it.

MsFaith:
You people too like wahala. Always looking faults so that you can news.

If you want to know, go and ask him in his grave.

I tire.

jesusjnr2020:
[s]Not necessarily so, even though I'm not a fan of his manners and methods.

Although things later got soured, I could remember he was jointly doing the rhapsody devotional with his wife at some point. That was the major selling point of his ministry and church at the time, so that could suggest the otherwise. Then I can remember a brother of his who was also featuring prominently alongside him.

There's Sinach who if you ask me, would give him a run for his money in terms of influence and popularity.

There are also several other gospel artists as Frank Edward, Buchi that emerged and became very prominent via his ministry.

It gives the impression that he allows others in his ministry to also emerge and make their own mark, and it wasn't totally about him, even if he had his own issues.[/s]

But how many people have you really heard of emerge from TB Joshua's ministry? I have heard some call a few names but if we're honest with ourselves, considering how popular TB Joshua was not just in Nigeria, but on the global stage, there should have been at least someone if not more, who came close, if not on the same breath.

Time would reveal a lot of things though, but I believe it has already started.

God bless.

Always discussing matters that are too high for you. And your major issue is about seeing things from your own very limited and myopic scope. The body of christ is beyond Nigeria.

When you want to discuss a topic - even remotely - try to be well-rounded before talking your usual wass. How many international ministers (especially evangelists and prophets) shared how much of a platform TB Joshua gave them? I am talking people from USA, UK, Zimbabwe who are doing very well in ministry and winning souls for Jesus Christ?

Did Jesus consult you about the type of ministry he gave Prophet Joshua? Do you know the structure he was asked to put in place?

What is wrong with you? Why are you the way you are?

BRATISLAVA:
We may say the same of Chris Oyakhilome, then.

You people's issue is, you like discussing people you don't know. I don't know what spirit always pushes people to do this. It is unfortunate.

jesusjnr2020:
See such a long epistle to justify such a ridiculous and embarrassing lie.

Your blind followership surely knows no bounds.

Jealousy is a toxin of the spirit man. Get a life.

If I just replied "we have the viewer's count" you would have tried to ask many more questions to make it look like that data calculation method is shoddy.

Since I gave a detailed analysis of how data curation of that magnitude is done, it became an epistle. Even when I was neither replying you nor talking to you. smh

jesusjnr2020:
Before you and him do so, first pray for God to deliver the likes of you from the spirit of spiritual mediocrity and blindness, because y'all need that more than I need your prayers.

For someone who wants to be like Kathryn Kulman but not willing to pay the required price, keep worrying about those who have already done so, don't save your worry for yourself who needs it more.

Like dude, someone told you to calm down. I actually think you need mental check up and God knows I am not trying to be denigrating.

Trust me, you are not who you think you are. If you are really so, put out your videos showing us what you have done that is compared to anything Kathryn did. The person you thought you came to correct is not only doing same, we all can see that he is doing it to a level that Kathryn Khulman never did it at. That is Pastor Benny Hinn's opinion (who watched Mrs. Khulman live!!) not mine by the way! lol

jesusjnr2020:
Lol! Just because I didn't accept your own opinion, you concluded I thought i could never be wrong. Shouldn't that alone already show you what you think of yourself and the sheer hypocrisy you portray?

Even on this thread, you can see that you were not everyone else, and that not everyone else agreed with your view, some agree with mine, but of course you're inclined to believe the preconceived lies and unfounded constructions of your own imaginations, because they makes you feel justified about your illusions.

You who had no context, never watched the teachings, don't know the man or his ministry is calling someone's information who watched it, is a son of the man, a member of his ministry an opinion, and you think anyone sees you as anything but a clown?
Literally, telling me that I do not know how the food I ate tastes, but you who did not eat it knows exactly how it tastes? Make it make sense, please.

Just so you know, I'm used to the disapproving opinion of most of you Christians here, so it's not new to me, but God keeps proving how lost and ignorant y'all are by the day, that many of you keep chewing your words and end up being put to shame.

You are the most deluded person I ever met on the "religious" section. Dude, nobody cares who you are and unfortunately, you are the one who has proven to be grossly ignorant. Look at your opinions on an issue you know nothing about.

For someone who is too blind to see the glaring error in the idea that billions of people tuned in to watch a live broadcast of your pastor, it's good to hear you speak about me lacking knowledge. I'm sure if I believed that ridiculous lie, you would be singing a different tune.

Can I explain how inane this take is? The only reason you believe the claim is false is because you do not believe it is possible. That is the definition of s-t-u-p-i-d. It is like me saying I do not believe your nairaland account name is jesusjnr2020 because Jesus has no "junior".

Feel free to continue in your delusions if you like, as believing the blatant lie. I'm sure everyone else was wrong but you and your fellow blind followers were right.

lol. You sound all shades of asinine my man. If I tell you I have 200M naira in my account, my friends, who have looked into my account say the same. Then someone who does not know me and does not have access to my account, insists that me and my friends who looked into my account are deluded. lol

A hypocrite who wants to correct someone else but cannot accept correction when he's clearly wrong.

This is literally you! Arguing with me about what I watched and about data that I can justify when you neither watched the teaching nor do you even know the ministry to begin with. This is is funny!!!

Lollittaa:
Please remember him in your prayers. He needs it.

On it.

Lollittaa:
You are so quick to assume others spiritually shallow. But I won't argue with you. No need. And who says anything about a field Marshall? Am I the one who called and saved Pst Chris?

You have described him so well. I used to read some of his posts before and just thought he had zeal but not according to full knowledge. Now I know better.

After I explained to him what Pastor Chris meant (because I watched the service live and heard what he actually said) I thought he would concede and apologize. No, this guy can never be wrong and can never make a mistake. He is real and everyone else is shallow and fake. He is a Field Marshal, and even Satan himself (who can never tell the truth) told him. In fact, to disagree with him on any issue means you don't recognise his spiritual rank.

I wonder how he even eats food, when he is already full of himself.

Workch:
Fraud
5G man

What did he say about 5G? I want to check something.

nencounter10:
Can you kindly tell me how pastor Christ got to know that 5billion people watched the live broadcast!

Loveworld has many live TV and streaming networks/apps like Cloveworld, LiveMobile TV, Alpha TV, with numerous channels across all of them (I am talking LWUSA, LWMENA, LSAT, LWUK etc). They have access to their viewers list and count. That is part 1.

In the pre-registration for many of those platforms, there is provision for virtual centers and the hosts put down the number of people at those virtual centers. There are millions of ministers who follow the man of God, in the last online ministers conference, over 40 M ministers across all continents participated. Many of those ministers have the biggest followings in their countries. I know 2 of them for e.g in Hungary and Ivory Coast to mention only a few. All these without counting all the numerous YouTube, Periscope and Facebook streams that many sub-ministry churches put out. Any time he is having a huge program, there will be atleast 50 Christ Embassy or affiliated channels livestreaming. Many of those streams have cumulatively 50-100K viewers (YouTube - which means those who did not even sign in to watch are more) and in millions on Facebook.

Christ embassy has many radio stations (both owned and some paid for) that project those programs and they have a tentative listeners count. Almost all the big stations in countries are paid money to allow the church host the big programs like the Live Healing Streams Services Crusades (which attract the largest participations). Most are paid for by the church but others are done by some of the ministers or government people in those nations who listen to him. Those stations have their own metric systems for determining how many people watched and the church extracts such data from them - sometimes by a fee.

Last but certainly not least, every multistreaming platform has access to the data on the type of device and location of device that signed into the platform. Those are individual identification mechanisms which cannot be faked. I am referring to the MAC address or OUI. Every single device that ever logs in to the network will be identified and stored in the hardware of the controller. Their location, time of logging on and off as well as type of device used is made available to the network controller. That is also how they can know (apart from live chats) what part of the world they have people viewing from.

Now, I know someone might say, what if one person uses many devices to log in to the same livestream will that not skew the count? Yes, it will but not significantly considering that multiple people can be watching from 1 device where the device was not tabulated as a virtual center.

I wonder why this is so incredible for people. Rev Chris always prophesied about the internet from 1994 and he has said many times that God led him to focus on it. That is why he is not using money to build huge cathedrals (not saying it is wrong). He focused all his attention on cyber ministry and he was never having any numbers like this until the lockdowns that forced a lot of people to watch TV and use the internet to watch things and programs they would not have watched.

jesusjnr2020:
[s]For someone who's blind enough to fall for the glaring lie, that billions were tuned in to watch a live broadcast of Chris, it's indeed a huge compliment to have you call my comment dumb, because that alone means they were anything but that.

The man you speak of is one of those church leaders who started well but lost focus and started chasing money and personal glory instead of God, hence he's unqualified to start teaching others what he himself doesn't practice. But obviously being a committed blind follower, it would be impossible for you to accept that Truth.

Even the devil would be laughing at the gravity of your ignorance right now, because as evil as he is, he still knows much better than you concerning who you're speaking of, and would rather have a thousand of your mentor to contend with, than one of me. It's only a matter of time though before you'd get to know between your mentor and myself, who's a real field Marshall in God's army and who isn't.

Continue following him blindly though, and believing lies like having billions a of people tuned in to watch his live broadcast, don't pinch yourself to see how far you're being misled, and I assure you you'd eventually find yourself inside the pit.[/s]

I have bludgeoned you so hard with facts that you are now giving emotive tales by moonlight.

I told you before, do you think everyone is as small as you?

Rev Chris Oyakhilome was chasing money and personal glory? Where did he chase the money to and how did he chase the money? Has he found the money? How much money does he want to have?

No offense, but you come off as a clown.

Let me guess, the devil himself told you you are a Field Marshal and you believed him, right? The being whom Jesus referred to as someone who lying to him is his native tongue? That is whose testimony you believe right? I should have known.

If Satan truly sees you as this Field Marshal, he does not need to tell you in a dream. All he needs to do is to raise his children to speak against you like they did Jesus, Paul and others. That is how it works. Jesus did not believe he was the son of God because the devil said so. Jesus even shut the devil up from letting people know. Paul was the same. Are you sure you are really in the same fold?

By the way, a 4 star General only becomes a Field Marshal, in an actual war. Where are the receipts for the wars you fought and won? Or we should just believe you because you claim so (from a dream none of us was there to see) lol. But Rev. Chris Oyakhilome will stand in front of people to lie so that he will gain what? If he said 500M and not 5B what difference would it make?

My friend, I advised you to take a fast and press into God in fellowship. You need it.

jesusjnr2020:
Not surprised. It takes a totally gullible and blind follower to fall for such a glaring lie.

Imagine how popular Euro 2020 was all over the world, yet it was just an estimated combined 4.7 billion people that watched it. That's 4.7 billion people divided by the amount of matches which is over thirty. But your mentor would lie to you that billions of people were tuned in from all over the world to watch just a live broadcast, which is not even popular in Nigeria, yet you'd fall for it.

That shows how gullible you are, so it's understandable why you wouldn't be able to see any thing beyond the lies you're being fed.

Let us test your intellect and expose it for how bang below average it is?

Euro 2020 was popular over which whole world? lol. Can you prove to me that outside of Europe majority of people in other continents were watching those games?

Let us say Rev. Chris Oyakhilome was lying, what is the aim? What does he hope to gain? Is it that he does not know that the figure was humongous?

Rev. Chris Oyakhilome's broadcast is not popular in Nigeria, how come you know about it? Tell me another live broadcast that has a larger coverage?

You guys are just a sad jealous bunch and what makes it funny is you are very ignorant while at it.

When you see a news about UK OFCOM fining Loveworld 125K Pounds, you rush to believe it - it must be true. But the same you will say the broadcast is not popular. Is he the only saying what he said? Why is it only him OFCOM tried to fine? Care to answer that.

You can use words like "gullible" because you are just bitter and jealous. A person with a genuine heart would have asked how the ministry could be sure they got such values. Afterall, he did not sneak to say it. He said it in front of everyone. What made him so bold to say it even when he knew some people will not believe it?

Until you answer the questions, you are just pathetic. Do something about it.

jesusjnr2020:
Lol. The truth hurts.

By the way, your mentor speaks about having billions of viewers tuned in to watch his broadcasts live, which is clearly false and unfounded. If that's not attention seeking at its worst, tell me what is, so maybe he could mentor me about the bolded, because if i'm truly such, then I'm clearly a learner where he is.

If I do not know something nobody else can know it. If I cannot do something, nobody else can do it.

Children who believed 4.7 billion people watched Euro 2020 ( an event about european soccer teams which many africans, americans, asians etc) do not care about, but find it difficult to believe that over 5 billion will watch a christian event of a ministry that cuts across all continents of this world.

Because everybody is as small as you pinchomic busybodies.

jesusjnr2020:
My opinion about your mentor's comment on this occasion is spot on. Your premise is erroneous because you don't even know that a field Marshall could possibly be schooled by the lowest ranked army officer in an area he gets it wrong.

You should also know that it's not up to you to determine who a "field Marshall" or true apostle is, so the same applies to you.

And the idea that i think I'm the only Christian on Earth, is a construct of your own imagination, because even here, I have acknowledged some Christians to be top notch, so I would skip that.

It was my own opinion. You don't have to accept it just as I don't have to accept yours.

I know more about the music ministry much more than you think, so please spare all those details about having the most successful music ministers, it doesn't make the person inerrant. Moreover it could also be mere coincidence even if true, but that is not even verified yet.

By the way, you must be joking with your idea that I went on a fast and bothered the Holy Spirit because of your mentor. His is very clear to me, so it would be a total waste of time. Even if he's true, he's really far behind.

Your comment was dumb. You did not understand what he said or why, and in typical fashion, you jumped to give an errant opinion.

I spanked some knowledge into you. Be humble, concede that you waffled and learn. Be teachable.

You said music ministers are entitled to their living which was to suggest he was trying to take money out of their pocket (you might be slow so this an idiom for preventing them from making ends meet). I showed you how he gives music ministers more money than some of them ever make in any concert or album sale (so he is not stopping them from making a living).

Since you have realized that you spoke out of term, won't you be humble to accept that you were wrong? No, you went on to talk more rubbish.

By the way, my testimony of him is not my own testimony -unlike yours. Let me give you a little rundown of some of the people who had prophesied so. 1. Archbishop Benson Idahosa 2. Dr. Morris Cerullo 3. Pastor Benny Hinn & Evang Reinhard Bonnke 4. Bishop Thomas Raki 5. Bishop James Payne 6. Dr. Oral Roberts Jr 7. Prophet Uebert Angel 8. Prophet Emmanuel Makandiwa 9. Prophet Isaiah Wealth.

I can go on and on.

Your testimony is absolutely inconsequential. I only advised you to go on that fast, maybe the holy spirit will be gracious to you to correct you on your needless busybodying and holier than thou attitude couched with pride.

Rank recruits cannot correct a Field Marshall. In your clique where anything goes and people break ranks and speak out of turn, sure. But not in God's army and certainly not even in the armies of the world. Don't even try to talk to me about the military, I will dogwalk you. You do not know me or my upbringing.

Hahahahaha @ your so-called knowledge of the music ministry. You are such a spiritual baby. May be I should let you in on another secret so you won't go around talking more nonsense about "pure coincidence". Rev Chris in one of his numerous heavenly encounters was taken to a location in heaven termed "where music is made". It is his exposure to that encounter that birthed the successful music ministry that thrives under his watch, to the shame of the devil and jealous busybodies.

Cheers.

jesusjnr2020:
[s]Mr Petra1, why not use your main moniker to speak to me, if not that you have something to hide.

It's only a blind follower that would have issues with what I said, because if not for blind sentiments, you'd know it's nothing but the Truth.[/s]

Field Marshall kor general ni

Not even up to a major to me.

lol. When you find out you are wrong about your opinion, just apologize like a real christian should. If anything, it will show that your opinion (albeit in ignorance) was out of love and a genuine heart.

Your reply above shows who you really are behind the veneer of being a real christian. Yet, you are the same person who tries to go around correcting every and anyone or calling others fake.

Don't worry @ Field Marshal. Thank God it does not depend on you. Left to you, you are the only christian on earth. Rev. Chris Oyakhilome is an Apostle of Jesus Christ to the whole of christendom in these last days. If you doubt me, go on a fast and ask the holy spirit. If he tells you anything different, let me know.

jesusjnr2020:
I see a case of the pot accusing the kettle of also being black...

What's the difference between those preaching the gospel via talking voice and those doing it via music, that one should be paid and the other not?

Jesus said, "a laborer is worthy of his wages" (Luke 10:7), so it's not in the place of one laborer to get paid his own wages and yet be questioning why another should get paid his.

That said, the focus of all laborers in God's vineyard should be God and not money, because a man cannot serve two masters, God and mammon. Matthew 6:21

God bless.

You people's issue is rank recruits think they know enough to instruct field marshals. It is a travesty but it is something we see often.

In the body of christ today, many of the most successful music ministers in the world are his spiritual children. When someone like that speaks, please listen. Don't rush to give a rejoinder. You neither have the understanding nor the leading to do so.

Who do you think built a studio, raised and paid producers and holds a world class music awards ceremony where he gives some of these same music ministers $100K, $50K and $25k gifts for their songs? How many album launches has he given some 30M naira, brandnew cars, buses etc. You people will talk 5 words before you understand what is even being discussed.

For your information, he was not speaking against music ministers earning a living. He was speaking about music ministers using their ministry as a career in detriment to the gospel. Do you know the difference? A music minister's primary call is to use their talent to evangelize for Jesus christ. Your lifestyle, comportment, lyrical content and devotion should be about Jesus christ. This means, even the endorsements you receive and venues you perform in should be about the gospel - not for career. That is what he was referring to.

Today, you can see a music minister who endorses an alcoholic beverage or goes to perform in venues where the show promoters tell you not to sing your songs that have Jesus in it "because of people of other faiths" and some of those ministers still perform at such events because such shows might pay them a lot of money. That is an example of a music minister using their position to make money and not foster the gospel of Jesus.

A music minister ought not to hold concerts if the sole aim of such concerts is not to heal the sick, cast devils out and win souls. If you are just going to sing so that people admire your sonorous voice and pay you money, you are working for yourself and not Jesus. That is why most of them who do those things started out in the church and before long left to pursue carnal careers. That is what he was referring to.

Most ministers today belong to a particular church or local fellowship. Should they not be attending services there on sundays, attending bible study classes etc and growing with the church like they were doing before they gained traction? But today, some of those ministers are gallivanting from church to church on sundays - when they should have been learning in church. Such ministers are carnal and will not grow spiritually. That is what he was referring to.

If you do not know the source or intent of a statement, should a christian not ask people who know what it means? Did Paul not warn christians never to judge a matter before its time?

Stop and think. Bless you.

Hercules22:
Jesus was made lower than the angels. He could not even command the angels of heaven to do his bidding during his ministry on earth. This is because he was mortal and only had authority on earth through the Spirit of God the Father. The scriptures say “Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?”‭‭(Matthew‬ ‭26:53‬). We can see here that he could only ask the Father to release his angels.

Can I wade in the discussion? Jesus did not have direct authority over angels because he functioned in the OT which made no provisions for that.
Galatians 4:4
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law

But after his death and resurrection, he was given all authority in heaven and earth.
“Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” (Matthew‬ ‭28:18)‬. Now he has authority over the angels of heaven.

You did not complete it, he said to the disciples "now go [in this authority] therefore to preach...". He was relaying/bequeathing the authority he received to us [the church] which is his body.

We are now in the body of Christ and share in his inheritance. This is why the scriptures say “Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?”‭‭(Hebrews‬ ‭1:14‬). Angels are always assigned to earth men but some don’t know how to partner with them.

Notice the verse you quoted says angels are sent to minister FOR those who are heirs of salvation (KJV). The keyword is FOR.

The angels of God were created to work according to the written word of God. When a person prays in the Spirit, the angels partner with him/her because he prayed according to God’s will for him.

Yes, they only respond to the word of God. But God is not the one speaking his word till date. He gave us his word to speak it and angels hear it, recognize it and go to work.

Man and Angels are directly under the authority of God. They are called sons of God. Earth man is meant to partner with the angels of heaven to fulfil the purpose of God on earth.

Actually, it is the reverse. Angels are to partner with us to fulfil the purpose of God on earth.

We can’t command them to do our bidding just like man can’t take authority over the spirit of another man. The scriptures say “I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!” (Revelation‬ ‭22:8-9‬). ‭Note the word “servant”

Hmm, my reply to this can be more robust but I won't digress. The keyword in this verse you quoted however is "fellow prophets". All I will say is, some of us, upon leaving this earth, are given a new assignment. You know that not all "angels" are the same - and I don't even mean rank wise.

After our physical death and ascension into kingdom of Heaven, we shall reign with Christ and given a higher authority. We are in the body of Christ and he is the head. This means that we don’t have the same level of authority of the risen Christ to command the Angels of Heaven.

I have heard a few ministers say so. I checked the scriptures and nothing like this is obtainable. You are right that in the millennial reign we reign WITH christ but before that time, we are to reign THROUGH or IN christ. Since the authority christ has is already "all", then whatever authority we execute WITH or IN christ are the same. The only difference is our location while executing that authority.

OCTAVO:
Someone once called TB Joshua a true prophet sometime last year on this very thread, only for the same person to now say he had known he is a false prophet since his teen age. Hmmmm... Issokay.

It is well.

Omotakins:
judgment is reserved for fallen angels. I believe this is speaking about fallen angels.

You are right for sure, however, it does not answer his question. Fallen angels were once God's angels right?

Nephilim:
Moreover Apostle should endeavor to curtail his sexual escapades. I'm not saying this to backlash him but for his eternity. I understand how difficult it could be when even ladies are throwing themselves at you. And the devil could be very trickish, this is where he has held many of them ministers in captivity. We need to pray for them and keep praying for ourselves too not to fall into the trap of the enemy. May God continue to strengthen us all, grace!

Since you know the devil is tricky, that should give you reason not to trust some of the things you see online. In addition, never ask why any minister is attacked a certain way. Satan never plays fair. Just like you said, pray for God's ministers around the world.

MarkGud:
Glad the dust raised by this Miracle money issue is settled. However, the program ‘Wonders without numbers’ you mentioned isn’t what led to the recent outburst of miracle money on social domains (which i think CharlesG1 referred to) and the arrest of that YouTuber. Go out find out the program and set your narrative right. Shalom

I asked him a question. That was the point he would have clarified. I don't read all the threads here and I was surprised that people who created a thread to discuss angels etc. will turn around to call angelic activity evil. That took me aback which was why I asked those questions.

As for the YouTuber you are referring to, if you use someone's image, name and then insult them online, it is called libel and you can be arrested for it.

To all those I offended with my harsh words, please forgive me. My intention was not to be harsh but I let my emotions get the best of me.

I firmly believe in healthy christian debates but I do not subscribe to character assassination and in dealing with individuals. I will rather only discuss doctrines, and the only times individuals are brought up, it should be for honour. You cannot convince me otherwise.

Like I said earlier, "Wonders Without Numbers" is not a programme about miracle money. Healings, deliverances from demonic oppressions, improved spiritual/prayer lives, all sorts of testimonies are the highlights, but people leave all those to focus on "miracle money". That should tell you who is really behind these attacks.

If you are not sure about the veracity of something, it is best to keep mum about it and ask the holy spirit if it troubles you so. If you cannot find adequate scripture references for or against something, just leave it alone. That is wisdom.

Yes, authority and power are not the same. Joe Biden's bodyguard can beat him up one on one because he has more power than him, but with one word, Joe Biden can have that bodyguard on the floor, because Joe has more authority than him. The reason we can cast out devils from people is authority - otherwise, one v one, no man can take on a demon spirit. I should have communicated that truth in love.

There is a debate about the word "elohim" as used in Psalms 8:4-5 in whether it meant God or heavenly beings partly because elohim did not always mean God in every bible verse in the OT. Because the Hebrews author decided to use the greek word which translates to angels, many bible students assume that the context in Psalms 8 meant angels, which is why I steered clear from addressing the scripture from that angle.

It is also correct that Jesus "being made lower than angels" was in relation to him being a man but man has different aspects to him which is why I zeroed in on the mortality dynamic. As a result of being contentious, we let what would have been a healthy conversation go south.

I admit my huge role in it and again, I apologize.

Cheers.

naijaboy756:
Oga,

'Miracle money' can be in the form of God using someone to give you money or sending helper your way. But the miracle money concept of most of these 21st century pastors is that you just get money deposited to your account gbagam by spirits, angels or some strange beings. That is MAGIC. I have watched a crusade in one of these African countries concerning miracle money and right there on the crusade ground, people were screaming alerts gotten up and down. Who made the payments, from which bank, what is the depositor's name, what is the narration etc? Personally, that is not possible. AM NOT SAYING GOD CANNOT DO IT O, but he will likely use a vessel
People are worried about the Ap. maybe because he may recently have some links with some pastors like Shepherd Bushiri and Eubert Angel. Jeremiah omofufehin( If I got that right) also have/had links with them and I wept when he used Eubert Angels shoes to preach

You cannot experience God to the extent that you limit him in your mind. I cry when I see some posts if I am being honest.

Your issue is, you have already made up your mind about who is right and who is wrong. The holy spirit does not lead us that way. If you don't understand certain things, why not press into him and ask for his opinion?

If you say you are not saying that God cannot do it, that should be your cue to remain silent. The other questions you are asking are moot. Apostle Michael Orokpo shared a testimony of his time in NYSC in Delta when he got stranded somewhere and needed money to pay for a bus fare back to Benue or so. He knew he had zero naira in his ATM card but he was absolutely stranded and had no one to help. He took his ATM card and spoke in tongues asking God for help because in his own words "I had heard other men of God share such testimonies". He took his card, put it in an ATM, selected 5000 N, the machine did not react at all. He expected an "insufficient funds" prompt from the screen of the ATM, so he could take his card and cry but 5000 popped out of the vent which nobody can explain.

Who put the money in his account? When was the money put? What was the narration?

Until you are in trouble and you believe, you may never experience the power of God.

I rest my case.

enthronedbyGod1:
I pray I'm forgiven for making this comment and going against my word of not commenting again.

I quoted you because of your comment shared by someone I follow. I love the way you hold forth for Johnson Suleiman, but I don't like the way you go about it with harsh words. Please try and speak with love when doing so and yes there's a difference between authority and power. I just had this conversation with a disciple of Christ via emails.
This doesn't mean I agree with everything you've said.

Bro, I do not go about thinking everyone must agree with me to be right. There are many things even Apostle Suleman does that I do not agree with but I will not allow other christians slander him based on misinformation. Like I said before, I am not a member of OFM and until this year, probably only listened to him once and that must have been in 2007 or so.

If you go through your comments and see you used harsh words on people please apologize to them if you think it's necessary.

I agree that some of why word choices were harsh but I did not start there. I asked questions first, hoping that once they establish that they had not watched the programme, I could just kindly explain what it is about to them.

I intentionally left out the miracle money issue ,cos I didn't know the full details, which I've gotten to know now by your comment shared to me, but please stop replying people with harsh words.

I agree and you are right.

We should understand that we as Christians only know in part and prophesy in part. I also intentionally left it out cos I know there are dimensions that the natural man would never understand except revealed by the Spirit.
God didn't reveal anything to me as regards that, so I spoke only as I was led. This is why I kept mute on the issue.

You are wise. I do not venture into discussions that I do not know anything about.

There's a revival coming and unbelievable things would happen that would make the church label the men at the forefront occultist, despite their acts being biblical, cos of lack of understanding.
During this revival men would walk on water, men would disappear and reappear, men would call God and He'd answer by thunder, men would call down fire from heaven and God would answer by fire like in the days of Elijah and so many strange things I can't say so I don't sound like a comedian to the natural man.
I've personally been shot and saw the bullet return to the sender with my 2 eyes( I was mocked on this forum for sharing the testimony) cos it defied sciences.
I read a story from a book on the deeper life revival written by a white man . A family had nothing to eat , they placed their plates on the table, closed their eyes and asked God to bless the food ( empty plates) , by the time they opened their eyes, the plates were filled up with food. Second story was a family that prayed for provision and woke up the next day with food items on their door step and they never got to know the source.

I believe everything you said here. What I did not say is, without Apostle Suleman, in my last year of college in the USA, when I needed money badly, I got miracle money. This was years back. Family sent me money via western union, I counted it several times infront of the cashier. I felt there was an excess, handed it over to the cashier, he counted it 2 times, put it in the money counter and told me there was no excess. I went to a bank to deposit it, told the bank clerk how much it was and handed her my teller, she counted the money, used a counting machine and this time it was again in excess. That excess was needed and I knew God gave it to me. So it was not difficult for me to relate with people's testimonies on AJS's programme.

We can't dictate to God how He chooses to move , the Bible says the Spirit is like wind and blows whichever way He wants to. Let's limit our expositions based on our understanding of the things of God so we don't derail and make utterances we'd regret, cos the Bible says let our yea be yea and nay be nay.

I agree

Lastly when we've erred in any way let's be humble enough to realise our mistakes, for this is the true test of humility.

1st Corinthians 13 should be our guide as Christians.


I pray I'm forgiven for going against my own words. I'd keep to my words this time.
May God help us all to be better Christians ( I'm not excluded)

Amen.

Oludami1:
@bolded
You surely are not speaking of God, and you have an antagonistic spirit. Check yourself.

You people are already building your own cult here. Antagonistic spirit? Where is your post telling your friend not to use words like false prophet and mammon worship for a programme or a man he clearly does not know?

Where is your post correcting him when I gently asked him questions concerning the programme?

I knew it. Full of pride and empty of knowledge and true understanding of the word. Once they are wrong, they change the narrative. From the fake concern for the body of christ to the sheer hypocrisy. It is a shame.

At least henceforth, they will be careful about passing off half-baked knowledge. The fact that some of us barely post is not because we don't see the rubbish people type here. We know it is the holy spirit's job to fix his people.

Next time, before you talk errant nonsense about another man's ministry, make sure you know what you are talking about. Don't come here to give fib so that your cheerleaders will praise you. Your influence starts and ends here on this thread. And don't try to give people zobo about angels that you do not know about. Even some of the members of your clique were getting ashamed for you.

You want to correct people yet you don't know the difference between authority and power. Haha.

Babes.