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petra1:
scandals will always be part of persecution. It doesn't mean anything .
You church cancels peoples weddimg for make makeup yet your G.O sons wedding had good discernment. religious biggots are always hypocrites.

It depends on what one even calls scandals. I personally feel it is scandalous for a MOGs wife to die of cancer. I know some of the people who hate Prophet Joshua are mad that he told people to "watch and pray" and then take a nap into the presence of Jesus. If he had suffered for months with cancer ravaging his internal organs they would have used it to preach sermons on how they prophesied it. The man lived and transited as a real prophet. That is not to say any one who died of a disease is not of God - but there are levels to this thing. That is all I am saying.

for your celebrated 5g scandal. its only from your myopic eye . the truth is getting more glaring that Pastor Chris has bren right all along. remember it alwas take people like you 20 yeaes to catch up .

What 5G scandal again kwan? Is it the fake caption that they claimed he said 5G was causing COVID-19 abi the clowns spewing such nonsense not see the plot he drew showing the 2 angles these globalists will use to force "vaccinations" on people? What part of that prophecy has been proven wrong? Matthew Ashimolowo is not waiting for 2 weeks to slow the spread again, more than 18 months in and governments are still looking for reasons to lockdown even when they cannot find cases to do so, Fauci's email already confirmed that COVID-19 was not only engineered but that he knew about it all along whilst still lying to the public. The same Fauci even told some of his staff in his emails that masks don't work - all part of the prophecies Rev Chris gave by the spirit in April 2020.

The only people calling that one a scandal are those still living in denial. How many doctors, epidemiologists, professors in Oxford, Berlin, Canada, USA etc have come out to say 5G roll-outs should be discontinued? There are levels to this thing.

When they get tired of being wrong, notice how they start making up folk tale. Rev Chris that was giving ecumenical centre 1 billion naira, Benson Idahosa Uni 1 billion naira - there is even one Bishop in USA that he gave 6 million USD for their church building. That is the man who is looking for Maxwell's money? lol. When these funny people know the type of figures we deal with and what we are about, they will know that having a mega church is not about having random buildings everywhere with 5 people in it. It is about a strong global presence - one that if you have a building in say Russia, it will not be filled with 10 yoruba people (there is nothing wrong with that but there are levels to this thing).

E dey sweet us, E dey pain them. E dey pain them, E dey sweet us.

Oh, the testimonies are stories to you but your senior pastor TB's are light. Comedian. Go and search Google for any of the popular denominations and mention any of the diseases, you'll find testimonies. They have virtually nothing behind TB.

in the eye of people like you who know not nor experience the works of the holy spirit others are always false.

The highlighted portion dey make me laugh. Like I have been saying, there are levels to this thing. A minister can stand in front of a congregation and pray about many things. 1 person who formerly depended on crutches can limp his way to the front saying he has been healed. That is level one. Another level is a minister can specifically pray about certain conditions. 1 or 2 people with those conditions can come out to testify that they have been healed of said conditions. The highest level is when the minister asks people with that specific condition to come out. Then in front of everybody he prays for each case and we SEE said people healed instantly. That is the Jesus level (using Makandiwa's words).

Interestingly, all those ministers can claim instant healing and they will be right, but as we can see, there are levels to this thing called instant miracles.

jesusjnr2020:
You've have to wait forever if so for that because the Truth is that TB Joshua was diabolic and the Truth doesn't change with time.

By the way, just so you know, I was also deceived by the appearances of that merciless serpent for a long time, so I hope you also get to know the truth about TB Joshua someday.

Oh no, I am not saying in this life time. Some people here will have to go heaven and be placed under Prophet Joshua to accept they were wrong all along. Your case will not be any different.

birdman:
I havent seen any of the forerunners name call. I heard Okotie say some uncharitable things, but I dont consider him an exemplar. I cant find anywhere where Adeboye or Okonkwo or Oyedepo, the accused principals have disparaged the man. As for criticism, if you are a leader, it is warranted, as long as it is respectful. If there is any bad belle, it is constantly from folks who keep attacking these guys - they are human, and cannot be everything everybody wants.

Personally, I wouldnt roll with SCOAN, because the miracles he would do those early days smell funny to me. I could very well be wrong, but I'm not taking the chance. Im not his savior, so I mind my business. But I wouldnt recommend something I avoid to other people. I would expect church leaders to do the same for their flock. I dont see any bad belle in this.

Your post is more mature than many others I have read here. Truth be told, the likes of Adeboye and Oyedepo did stay away from the hoopla from time immemorial till now. Bishop Okonkwo, sadly, said some wrong things but I have not heard anything else from him since that time. However, there are others, spiritual sons of some these men who felt empowered by their silence to say some disparaging things. The funny thing is, the Prophet Joshua has never and never said anything in response. The man did sure know how to treat irrelevant people.

As for your decision not to roll with SCOAN, that is also allowed. As long as you admitted your opinion could be wrong and how you would rather mind your business. That is what Christ wanted us to do. And if you would not recommend something to people you know, you might as well not talk about it at all - rather than make an opinion and be ultimately wrong.

God works with people differently. Sometimes he will lead us elsewhere because he knows the strongholds we already have that will limit us from receiving from some one else that he would have recommended. There is a good, acceptable and perfect will of God.

I for one have never visited SCOAN but I know many who have and 95% of them came back with testimonies. I have observed the man in question and all I could see was the heart of a genuine man who focused on his call and was never distracted. Then I have pressed into God in prayers, asking about the man and God confirmed what I had already noticed- that he was a true MOG. I have friends from different ministries - some from even the ministries who criticised him and guess what, God gave some of them visions about the man and many of them wept sore and repented from the awful things they had at one time said about him. That was all I needed and that is all I got.

jesusjnr2020:
True that TB Joshua was diabolic, and I have no apologies for saying that, the good works he did and his outward attitude makes it almost impossible for even some elect not to be deceived.

God bless.

You are definitely wrong and one day you will come back to testify. William Marion Branham that many regard today as a prophet was called the same or worse in the 40s-60s.

HigherEd:
I think a movement of a few thousand people is different from that of a 2 billion people today...

Don't mind them. Most of the thriving ministries today started out this way. Administration changes as congregation size changes. Even the apostles had to stop tending to people directly and delegated it to deacons when the numbers multiplied.

birdman:
If what you say in the bolded is true, then it is prudent for such elders to be cautious about associating with what they do not understand, no?

No, if the issue was being cautious, that would have been fine. It is definitely allowed. The issue was criticism, name-calling, shaming, barefaced lying about something they did not understand. That one is pure bad belle.

petra1:
Pastor Chris only went there by TB request that year you dont have to keep talking childish

They know the role Archbishop Idahosa played in Rev Chris's life. They know that was his spiritual father. They know he is a 4th generation minister from his family - a well-established family that even brought Assemblies of God to Nigeria. They know his history. They know he was a child evangelist- one that got a definite call from God aged 7 - a call not even his greatest detractor can deny.

They just have to say these funny things so they don't feel bad. You know every thing is a competition to them. Even David Ogbueli (who incidentally gave his heart to the lord under deeperlife) said he used to invite Rev Chris to UNN for programs in the 80s and many people will be healed, delivered etc. lol

LordReed:
WTH are you on about?

BTW what has this got to do with the zombie outbreak you were predicting?

I predicted a zombie outbreak? Do I look like the CDC website?

budaatum:
You have not conceded you are lying to yourself, and that you prefer conspiracies to the truth.

OK.

LordReed:
I took a look at the news that is making you as giddy as a schoolgirl on weed. 78.2% of the people treated died, how does that sound like success to you? Also the study is not yet peer reviewed. You obviously did not read beyond the headlines and got all intoxicated like the zombie you are.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

petra1:
Rara o. on the contrary im only asking why making it a duty to judge others yet not judging home.

im glad you saw it as sin

petra1, your heart is made of pure Gold but I sometimes wish you will not give it to all and sundry. Not everybody deserves you. The truth that someone does not know today, tomorrow they will know it. Sebi COVID-19 Lab leak is not a conspiracy theory again, right? What you knew more than a year ago, the rest of the world is just catching up to.

I heard one minister who used to be a holiness preacher say that Pastor Kumuyi did not even believe in Archbishop Idahosa when he was alive until Jesus showed him a vision where he saw the Archbishop sitting on a throne in heaven. Brother Kumuyi then complained to Jesus about the man- how he let women dress anyhow and how he preached "health and wealth" gospel. Jesus kindly told Pastor Kumuyi that if he was given 2 lifetimes, he will not achieve what Papa Idahosa did for the body of christ. Then Pastor Kumuyi held his peace.

Give it time. Other junior Kumuyi's too will hold their peace. They are already holding it small small if you noticed

FatherOfJesus:
lol, so what template of virus did they use in engineering Sarscov 2?

Have you accepted again that Reverend Chris Oyakhilome was right?

davidluv:
check online and verify na olodo..

That what part was true? lol

SavageResponse:
What do you mean lies?

It happened...the guy's name is James Agada!

Lawrence not James and I have already explained myself above.

dominique:
You were probably too young around 2004/2005 when it happened. All the major newspapers carried the story.

Read my last reply. I wonder why you people think everyone is half researched like some of you guys.

Weathered:
when last did you read anything outside Nairaland? The stolen funds was reported in all nation dailies.

LOL. read my last reply.

Golan007:
It is not a lie.

This was published and Chris reacted to it.

Must be at least 20 years since the incident.

If I tell you something is a lie it is because it is a lie. I know the Lawrence Agada story. The part that is a lie is 1. Pastor Chris said he will not return it and 2. That the money even got to him at all.

Lawrence Agada said he donated a generator to his local church and gave some offerings here and there. Have you seen anyone who steals money so he can give it to the church? Nobody does that. A thief steals for himself. He might donate to his church some amount but he is only doing that for the sake of his conscience.

Lawrence Agada even confessed that Sheraton asked him to lie that he gave all the money to the church as that was the only way they felt they could recover their money. They already knew it was impossible because he had spent the bulk of the money on personal things. By the way, the Generator plant he gave his church was returned.

obonujoker:
Show where it is in the Bible that only New testament saints will be raptured or see Jesus during the Rapture... No stories. Just biblical proof

My dear, I could have done justice to it but it is clear you have not studied the topic in-depth. Read 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 - Read it slowly and see the highlighted portions so you don't ask me how that refers to new testament saints. Then respond to my other posers.

1 Corinthians 15:51-52
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

budaatum:
India: why it's so hard to get a coronavirus vaccine
May 19, 2021

COVID-19: India's vaccine rollout-for-all stumbles before it starts amid record case numbers
Sunday 2 May 2021

To battle the devastating second wave of COVID-19 infections, India has opened vaccination to all adults. But most states are not taking part in the vaccine rollout because there are not nearly enough shots to go around.
01.05.2021

I know none of this makes any difference to you but there's others reading to whom it thankfully does and who know the population of India is over a billion and who can easily work out that 150 million first doses (11%) is not in any way close to "heavily vaccinated" for a virus your argument was does not even kill.

LOOOL. The only reason I entertain you is you come off as someone who might be seeking truth. I hope you have found it now. By the way, stop bringing all these easily disprovable main stream media links. Go through the pain and do actual research. The people you are quoting have conceded that they have been lying to you. I do not know how many times I have to tell you.

LordReed:
Zombie how far? I thought you said something was gonna happen in May? Abi did we miss the zombie uprising? LMAO!

Hahahaha.

I told you. How about your HCQ argument? Have your news sources not betrayed you by accepting I was right all along? Have they not accepted that it improved survivability by 200%? What other ways should I disgrace you? Have you also seen that Trump took Ivermectin when he was sick with COVID19 and not regeneron? Did I not tell you then? I told you why did you decide to believe him when he claimed he took something else?

Never argue with me again. Kiddo

Fools actually believe if someone is a thief, they will steal money so that they can give it to a church? Who does that? Where are the churches that most of the politicians attend? Why do people even think Maxwell gave money to Pastor Chris? Maxwell goes to church in PHC in a branch church. Why skip them to mention Pastor Chris?

davidluv:
check online and verify na olodo..

You can call me names but that is because you are the one who is the name you called me. If you believe the nonsense you wrote or never followed up on how that story ended, then you are in no place to call anyone names. To think someone will steal money from his hotel so that he can give all the money to his church? lol

obonujoker:
1. Rapture is resurrection bro... " What does this statement mean, "the dead in Christ will rise first??

Those who died as christians is what dead in christ means. You are 10000% wrong on rapture and resurrection. The resurrection day says Old testament saints, New testament saints and Tribulation saints come back to live on this earth. That is what the bible says. That is NOT the rapture as the rapture ONLY refers to NEW testament saints (christians) going to meet Jesus in the clouds and he takes them to heaven.

2. Yes, but will happen at the same time as specified by Jesus Christ himself in Matthew 24:29-31; and also Matthew 26:63-64

That is also wrong. Jesus never talked about the rapture to the Jews because it does not concern them. Jesus only answered questions related to his second coming. What is even the rapture as you are confusing yourself? How can the rapture and second coming happen at the same time? In the rapture, nobody sees Jesus except those being raptured. In the 2nd coming, the whole world will see him at the same time. In the second coming, he comes down to the earth to live and reign. In the rapture he only stays in the clouds and goes back to heaven. You are confusing yourself.

3. "Great" is an adjective use to describe how tumultuous the persecution of Christians will be before the Advent of the Lord....

You are confusing yourself. The great tribulation refers to the 2nd 3.5 years of the last 7 years or Daniel's last week of the 70 weeks. It has nothing to do with christians. The calender according to Daniel was concerning HIS people. Jews! I have alot to say but you actually do not even know the basics. You need to study.

After the Rapture of the saints, there's no more excuse. There's no way in the Bible it is written that man will use his own blood to enter heaven... There's no secret rapture anywhere.

I don't know what this means. Get the foundation first.

Tribulation means trouble or terrible persecution... The Antichrist will terribly persecute Christians. After the removal of God people, God will now pour out his bowls of wrath of the Antichrist and his people

Absolute nonsense. No offense. God's wrath will begin as soon as the rapture occurs. The antichrist will be given power over the whole world. Nobody will be exempt from his authority. He even killed the 2 witnesses. I have alot to say like I said but you don't even know the very basics. I will show you scriptures. You will know you don't what the rapture is.

budaatum:
India lifted its lockdown for religious festivals and political rallys but I guess you'd claim the result is media lies and the dead are not really dying.

India's surging Covid crisis looked set to engulf further heavily-populated areas on Monday night after reports of a positivity rate as high as 50 per cent in the giant port city of Kolkata.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/climate-and-people/indias-surging-covid-crisis-set-engulf-new-heavily-populated/amp/

As a second wave of coronavirus devastates India, with more than 350,000 cases reported daily, the families of the sick are desperately hunting on social media for help.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-56882037

People are hoarding oxygen and vital medicines in homes in India, creating panic and causing shortages in hospitals treating critically ill Covid patients, senior Indian doctors have said. India recorded another 352,991 new coronavirus cases on Monday, breaking its own global record for the fifth straight day, and 2,812 new deaths, its highest daily figure for fatalities.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/26/doctors-sound-warning-over-oxygen-hoarding-as-india-reports-record-covid-cases-and-deaths

As hospitals in Delhi and many other cities run out of beds, people have been forced to find ways to get treatment for sick patients at home. Many have turned to the black market, where prices of essential medicines, oxygen cylinders and concentrators have skyrocketed and questionable drugs are now proliferating. On Monday, India recorded a new global high for daily coronavirus cases for a fifth straight day at 352, 991.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-56882167

LOL.

I don't have time to debunk all these fake stories. As soon as I do it, you bring up another story and I have to debunk it again. I cannot force you to see that you are deceived. lol. India that is heavily vaccinated but somehow you want to follow junk news that is talking about easing lockdowns. Even when data shows that lockdowns do nothing to help or stop the spread of COVID. I can even show you some of the "videos of dead people" doing get ready and die on camera. You guys should just research and stop watching CNN. You are being misled.

Let me guess, they used PCR tests to test 350k people daily to know they had COVID-19 right?

Golan007:
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There is a boy in Delta state who gifted his family house to Christ Embassy.
His name is Shedrack.

lol. OK?

davidluv:
Pastor Chris might not return that money oh! About 10yrs ago, this was the same way a Sheraton hotels account in Abuja stole 35m and donated it to the same CE church. When approached, Pst Chris said he would never return the money it belonged to God.

Lies

obonujoker:
Alright... Explain in your words bro...

If you have not studied this deeply why do you think you are right about what you believe and others are wrong? I would have explained it to you but I have to first prove to you beyond any doubts that you have not studied the verses or the whole subject matter very well.

I will also give a few clues that can help with your study.

The rapture is NOT the resurrection.

The rapture is NOT the second coming.

Tribulation and GREAT tribulation are not the same.

budaatum:
I've been looking for you and this thread!

There is a reason I despise having conversations with people who conjure up data from the very people designed to mislead and misinform them. In your data for e.g, the COVID19 deaths have a superscript "b" attached to it. The inset at the end explains what that "b" stands for. It summarily says that it is for confirmed and presumed COVID-19 deaths. That they could not tell you the difference between the 2 shows you they have already set out to mislead you.

When we say for e.g that there is no COVID-19 pandemic, that is because we are letting you know that the forced lockdowns, unreasonable medical measures preventing other chronic conditions from being treated etc. did more of the damage than COVID-19 itself. for e.g, you can see the cancer deaths being lower in 2020 than 2019. That is a travesty. More people died of cancer in 2020 as cancer was relegated to the back burner in 2020. There are many reports even from the lame stream media of cancer patients not getting as tested as before. In Nigeria, there was a former NNPC executive that died. He had battled cancer for years and was in his terminal stage. That death was ruled as a COVID-19 death only because he tested positive (via PCR) to the COVID-19 antibody. Is that not incredible? That means that the table for COVID-19 death that had his tally was wrong as that should have fallen under the cancer category.

Of course, there are going to be relatively more deaths when you prevent people from mingling, going out to see relatives, purchase drugs, eat healthy, have regular sunlight, visit doctors. The question is what is directly responsible for the deaths? The disease COVID-19 or reckless measures implemented by governments due to this disease? You be the judge.

obonujoker:


Pre tribulation doctrine though ...

However Rapture will occur, but no second chance after the Rapture... Anyone that misses the Rapture of the saints, is already a child of the devil...

No 2nd Chance after the Rapture, so let's try to make the rapture by the grace of God and salvation of our soul through the Lord Jesus.

Luke 17:26-30

"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

From the chapters and verses above, it can be seen that after God removed his people, destruction followed, that's how it would be after the rapture, what's is left is destruction of the Antichrist and the deceived.


If Jesus Christ himself can say this in Matthew 24:29-31...
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken;

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other"

Then I wonder why you'd still believe in pre-tribulation rapture, but lol, many people already know more than the Lord himself.


All in all, let's get ready to be in the Lord's army come rain, come sunshine, come tribulation or persecution..

Amen

My problem with people like you is you have not even understood the verses you bandy around.

Please explain the verse you highlighted in the light of Rev 6:12-16 and Rev 7:1-4.
Why does your verse say all men will see Jesus?
why does your verse says ANGELS (plural) will be sent with a great sound of a trumpet?
why does it say they will gather his elect? Who are these elect and why are they being gathered to him?
Notice the verse says from one end of HEAVEN to the other. What does that mean?

aswani:
Maestro21, you obviously do not know what or who ofcom are. They are UK government appointed broadcasting communication regulators that are in charge of monitoring and managing, amongst other things, television program output.

Someone obviously reported Oyakhilome to them, or his program, and Loveworld would have been invited to defend it.

Not surprisingly, Loveworld, Christ Embassy or Oyakhilome himself either failed to defend the output or did so poorly and were fined which is standard.

ofcom do have the power to withdraw bradcasting licences as I believe they did for the Deya Bradcasting Network, another religious channel that produced output for self appointed Archbishop Deya who has run off to Kenya after his excesses were exposed.

Ofcom do not hand out fines for show as they are audited too.

Please at least Google or gain some knowledge of the topic you are talking about before making pronouncements about it in a seemingly authoritative manner.

Before coming here to talk rubbish to me, first of all, find out about Loveworld and what it is. I cannot be replying dense statements. You think Loveworld is a program? And you are telling me to gain knowledge before replying. Don't waste my time again.

budaatum:
It must be difficult for you to understand how some specialist healthcare workers like physiotherapists, oncologists, hospital porters, and even nurses, might not be needed because the healthcare system is overwhelmingly treating covid-19 patients.

LOL

FatherOfJesus:
lol, we have lot of Coronavirus species, Sarscov-2 the causative pathogen for covid19 is just one of them.

This is not a tall order for someone who did a project with zikavirus to grasp. Did you skip basic virus classification class?

WOW. You indeed have severe comprehension problems. LOL

You said "The idea of saying That Coronaviruses, HIV were developed in the lab is ridiculous as well". To which I pointed out to you that NOT ALL coronaviruses were engineered. But SARS-COV 2 was engineered. That is what I said. Sorry, you don't know how to think critically.